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So I went out and used my GPS for the first road test. After turing on iGuidance i got a fix very quickly and it saw me...but then it was horrible in updating. I would start driving and sometimes it wouldnt even move for 30 seconds. the accuracy was not there either. With my ext GPS it would tell me I was a few feet from an intersection, now im lucky if im near it. I was getting 6-10/10 sats also, so very good. maybe the software? So what are everyone else's driving experiences and with what software? I dont have data so i cant use gmaps/live.
i just had google maps up and drove to the store this morning and it followed me very well....
then it followed me around the golf course almost exactly on the edge of the greens maybe 1-2 feet off at worst
My GPS sucks too. I have used googlemaps and geoscout(which I think actually works better than googlemaps) I am off by about 25 feet in a random direction with googlemaps using satellite maps. I too have 6-10 satellites.
Anyone have a cab for TrackyPro v3.0? I hear that that is really good especially for off roading.
google maps seems very accurate to me. also last night i was out of town and used the sprint navigator to find parking very easily. we were moving slowly, but i would estimate it had us within 10 foot.
It's been working great for me. I tried it out last night while on a quick drive and it tracked me the whole way which about 5 satellites much of the way. It was only a few feet off the entire time.
my google maps is accurate to within about 5-10 feet, i was in line at the mcdonalds drive through last night and for kicks i brough tup the satellite picture and watched my dot get closer to the window, lol
My gps is working better now. This is how I fixed it. First I relocked my phone. Then I upgraded to the original leaked version of 2.16.651.0 and let it do it's thing. DO NOT USE A MODIFIED 2.4/2.5 BOOTLOADER!!! For some reason the gps is of by about 20 feet when using the modified/hacked bootloader and is almost exact when using the original. The original is also much faster not only with gps but in genreal.
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My gps is working better now. This is how I fixed it. First I relocked my phone. Then I upgraded to the original leaked version of 2.16.651.0 and let it do it's thing. DO NOT USE A MODIFIED 2.4/2.5 BOOTLOADER!!! For some reason the gps is of by about 20 feet when using the modified/hacked bootloader and is almost exact when using the original. The original is also much faster not only with gps but in genreal.
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no offense, but this is completely false. the bootloader has no effect whatsoever on gps performance.
That may be true but for some reason that is what I have noticed. I have not changed any other settings either. Oh and dcd since you are here are you planning on releasing a kitchen for the new gps rom?
Used TomTom on the way home from a Sprint store and the thing followed me the whole way. Told me to turn the split second I got in front of the driveway. I am liking the added feature very much. Only complaint is why do I have to turn on google maps to get the GPS to work?
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Only complaint is why do I have to turn on google maps to get the GPS to work?
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the GPS has to be initialized before it can be used, and some apps (like tomtom) dont do that
theres a thread on ppcgeeks about it, the OP recommends using maction (?) GPSViewer to initialize since i guess its faster than googlemaps
Google maps and Live Search work very well for me. Pretty much spot on.
I drove around today and tested it out. Followed me perfectly on the roads. No hicup of path....just chugged along right where I was....both in Google Maps and Live Search....Altho L.S. is cool because it shows the arrow...
My connections somtimes won't connect....like I've noticed it seemed slightly buggy...maybe just me....but if it does something weird...a soft reset DEF fixes it.
DCD.....YOU ROCK MY FACE! THANX!
PS...
This was my first ROM flash ever....I thought I was unpacking the BootLoader to my PC before I wanted to actually start...I hadn't read anything, and it installed on my phone and before I knew it I was staring at the multicolor bootloader screen.....F*%K! Long story short...I figured it all out with these forums and so THANKS!
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Used TomTom on the way home from a Sprint store and the thing followed me the whole way. Told me to turn the split second I got in front of the driveway. I am liking the added feature very much. Only complaint is why do I have to turn on google maps to get the GPS to work?
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I have had good luck with tom tom navigator as well. I too have the problem with having to have another program initialize the gps,but I understand there are people working on it.
Mine worked well all weekend. Using Google Maps it followed me all around town. Same as a previous posted for grins i pulled it up in a drive through and it tracked me slowly moving up in line. One or two hiccups but nothing earth shattering.
GPS works great
mine with googlemaps will update itself every second it looks like. tried it while driving around San Diego, it was spot on the whole time. if you turn on Field Trial when you're running a GPS app, then look at the GPS stats it will even show you your horizontal speed in meters/second. tried that while driving around too...seemed to be right on the money. have anywhere from 4 to 8 satellites most the time. at work right now in La Jolla, I've got 4 inside the building.
I'm having a similar issue with iGuidance and sent an email to my contact at iNav to see if there is a known issue.
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the GPS has to be initialized before it can be used, and some apps (like tomtom) dont do that
theres a thread on ppcgeeks about it, the OP recommends using maction (?) GPSViewer to initialize since i guess its faster than googlemaps
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Thanks. I found the app when I was looking around today and installed it. It does work well. Click it, it opens up the GPS then opens TomTom(or whatever program you want it to open).
Here is a thread on xda that links to ppcgeeks http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363111
GPS
Mine works like a hot damn.
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I took my boat out today and used it... thing was SPOT ON using gmaps! I stopped at a few islands and walked around and it tracked me all the way and it was exactly where the satellite pic said I was.
Sometimes I noticed in my car that if its not close to a window it will only get like 2 sats and the position wont be all that great. I have GPS built in my car, so its not a big deal.
Every once in awhile, some chatter will be thrown around about possible HTC fixes (http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/) and/or gutted ROMs (http://htcclassaction.org/#update_20080403_2).
So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?
i think at this point its realistic to say that if you want video acceleration, you need to buy another $500 device made by somebody else. I predict HTC puts this off until affected hardware is end-of-life. My rant is off topic now, but in that case, my next device wont be HTC.
Ummm, so how am I going to watch my pron..... lol
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So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?
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Beyond the *problem* of not using the MS Media Player and substituting video playback with TCPMP (or another) set with the the video driver to GDI/RAW, what is the great issue? Even with direct draw drivers, I will still use TCPMP and its video playback is already exceptionally smooth as it is.
Screen redraw on the Today screen and other similar levels isn't out of line from what I've experienced on non-HTC WM/CE devices.
Sorry, but I'm still stumped on what is truly owed to us by HTC and -- more on topic for this forum -- the critical flaws that are inherent in the Titan.
Hopefully, they include support in the Raphael/Diamond. Who knows, maybe it can even be back-ported to our Moguls.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387556
Supposedly, there will be a forthcoming update that will at least improve the video on our phones, but likely not drivers.
http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/
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Beyond the *problem* of not using the MS Media Player and substituting video playback with TCPMP (or another) set with the the video driver to GDI/RAW, what is the great issue? Even with direct draw drivers, I will still use TCPMP and its video playback is already exceptionally smooth as it is.
Screen redraw on the Today screen and other similar levels isn't out of line from what I've experienced on non-HTC WM/CE devices.
Sorry, but I'm still stumped on what is truly owed to us by HTC and -- more on topic for this forum -- the critical flaws that are inherent in the Titan.
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Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit... The same thing happens with any "redrawing" of the screen which makes certain programs just run crappy. My *main* complaint that *actually* gets in my way, though, is the delay in rotating the screen. I typically don't use the hardware keyboard for exactly this reason. I would rather use the stylus and the on-screen keyboard than wait for 5-10 seconds while I wait for the screen to redraw.
It's more to the point to say that it underperforms (again... scroll up and down on that program screen) in comparison to *older* devices. There are some Youtube examples out there that are easy to see. It's just not the performance that matches the pricetag.
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Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit... The same thing happens with any "redrawing" of the screen which makes certain programs just run crappy. My *main* complaint that *actually* gets in my way, though, is the delay in rotating the screen. I typically don't use the hardware keyboard for exactly this reason. I would rather use the stylus and the on-screen keyboard than wait for 5-10 seconds while I wait for the screen to redraw.
It's more to the point to say that it underperforms (again... scroll up and down on that program screen) in comparison to *older* devices. There are some Youtube examples out there that are easy to see. It's just not the performance that matches the pricetag.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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Backntyme,
I agree about the keyboard thing. When I switch to landscape and back it normally takes about 1-2 seconds. But sometimes much longer and it is quite annoying.
But for the scrolling thing, Foetus was talking about start>programs. You go there and scroll the page up icons up and down quickly. You will see the delayed screen refresh. Another one is when you use iGuidance or TomTom. The screen refresh is terrible and you get really jerky animation of turns etc. I haven't noticed especially bad scrolling in file explorer because the rendering is simple. But rendering of graphics is not great. But liveable.
But what the thread is upset about is not whether its liveable or not. It's about whether an expensive piece of equipment should be worse in some respects than its predecessor. And whether we are getting value for money. The device's hardware is capable of better performance, but HTC have chosen to supply a substandard set of software to go with it.
Foetus, sorry for answering for you. I thought you were offline. But you beat me to the punch anyway..
This is way off topic, but you know what really pisses me off about the titan performance? The fact that you have to turn sounds off the dialpad or it can't even keep up with your dialing of a number. My ten year old nokia (that i still have) sh*ts all over the titan for speed. Granted it cant do everything that the titan can do, but at least it does what it was advertised to do - and do it properly.
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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First, I didn't realize that we were supposed to PM you for permission to *read* threads on this forum and that you would only permit users who agree with you to read those threads. Nor does the thread title "Video acceleration news?" imply that it is going to be really just another gripe thread. Second, when you said "Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit" that is not the same thing as "I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"; however, in that screen, either scrolling or paging up and down, my Mogul also draws the icons almost instantaneously. That means in a fraction of a second. The switch between portrait and landscape is also accomplished in a fraction of a second. Scrolling in File Explorer works as it should with no blinking.
If I were in your position, instead of assuming that someone who posts different experiences than yours must be a fool who cannot tell how much time elapses during screen redraws and then telling them that they should not be reading "your" thread, I would question why my own device could not do what other similar devices can do.
I am not saying that the device is perfect; for example, sometimes when activating the Task Manager icon at the top right of the Today screen, it takes a second or two to show the running programs. But I do not believe that is a screen response problem.
maccaberry: I also use iGuidance 3.0.1, and the screen response works properly either with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver, or with the internal GPS receiver and the intermediate port workarounds. That workaround requirement is more a limitation of iGuidance than of the Mogul.
edit: maccaberry, you say that HTC has supplied substandard software. But at least some of your experiences are with a bootloader, ROM, and radio that were either not supplied by HTC for your device, or not supplied for use on your carrier, or not supplied to be used together, or have been modified from the software as it was supplied by HTC. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package with all of the customizations as supplied by HTC. Maybe that has some effect?
@bakntyme
Sorry im going to have to agree with everyone else over you... (not just this thread mind you but a simple search and you should see what i mean) but please feel free to either use MyMobiler and record a video of your superb performance.... honistly... or find some other app to record... even using the most slimmed down ROM to the Stock i still get what he is describing.... and worse... i have changed things to make the transition faster like 128K for the Glyphcahe system ram all up to 90% Mem usage WITH NOTHING running and no Today crap and it still takes 1-2 seconds compared to 3-5 seconds with no optimizations.... really a PITA
its also tiring reading a book Landscape then having the thing switch to Portrat then having to go all the way back to settings and flip the screen again before i can continue reading...
EDIT1: I recently dug up my Sony CLIE UX50 and even though its a PALM platform with a low 124MHZ PROC (me thinks it was) STILL kicks the Mogul/ANY OTHER HTC's video performance.. and even game performance... anything performance... except compression... (DUH Mogul/Most other HTC's have bigger PROC)
New Tilt 2.0 alpha rom speeds up graphics? (!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388728&page=4
Benchmarks posted here to illustrate the point. Some people think this is part of the promised optimizations from the manufacturer.
Other people are looking at drivers located in the new Imate 9502 that has a msm7200 chipset as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745&page=100
Maybe there will be some hardware acceleration in the new raphael and diamond that could be borrowed.
Hopefully these multiple approaches will synergistically gel to greatly increase performance for my mogul
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Sorry im going to have to agree with everyone else over you... (not just this thread mind you but a simple search and you should see what i mean) but please feel free to either use MyMobiler and record a video of your superb performance.... honistly... or find some other app to record... even using the most slimmed down ROM to the Stock i still get what he is describing.... and worse... i have changed things to make the transition faster like 128K for the Glyphcahe system ram all up to 90% Mem usage WITH NOTHING running and no Today crap and it still takes 1-2 seconds compared to 3-5 seconds with no optimizations.... really a PITA
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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no i am merely saying that you seem to have an uncanny tone in both your first post and your follow up post that begs the question why reply in a thread asking of others PROBLEMS if you have none? if you have none congratz.. but this thread is not about who doesn't have but rather who has AND if any news has been heard about fixing it... as any search you will do on "HTC Video Performance"... your "non-existant" problem is one in... well... almost the entire production of any newer (at least) HTC Device!
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem."
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So again, as you don't seem to have a problem, CONGRATZ however I am a firm believer of a "post when important or relevant" policy and well.. your post is HIGHLY IRRELEVANT as this thread (as i said above) is about the problem as well as possible news of its being resolved...
Sorry thats just the way i feel...
Now as for the RELEVENT part of this post... I read a notice on PhoneNews and while they say they are working on some fixes.. its nearly 99.99% that their will be no advancements for HWL control of the GFX part of the phone due to "fees and software development time" HOWEVER i have high hope that the Raphael will have said drivers and since it seems not TOO much is different hopefully someone will be able to REVENG them for our oh so broken HTC devices...
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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Holy crap. LMAO
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no i am merely saying that you seem to have an uncanny tone in both your first post and your follow up post that begs the question why reply in a thread asking of others PROBLEMS if you have none? if you have none congratz.. but this thread is not about who doesn't have but rather who has AND if any news has been heard about fixing it... as any search you will do on "HTC Video Performance"... your "non-existant" problem is one in... well... almost the entire production of any newer (at least) HTC Device!
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So again, as you don't seem to have a problem, CONGRATZ however I am a firm believer of a "post when important or relevant" policy and well.. your post is HIGHLY IRRELEVANT as this thread (as i said above) is about the problem as well as possible news of its being resolved...
Sorry thats just the way i feel...
Now as for the RELEVENT part of this post... I read a notice on PhoneNews and while they say they are working on some fixes.. its nearly 99.99% that their will be no advancements for HWL control of the GFX part of the phone due to "fees and software development time" HOWEVER i have high hope that the Raphael will have said drivers and since it seems not TOO much is different hopefully someone will be able to REVENG them for our oh so broken HTC devices...
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I thought it was relevant to point out that since my Mogul does not exhibit the delays, the problems you are experiencing may not be caused by what you think is causing them. And if you read this thread, you will discover a post by another user who doesn't see the problem. The original post posed the question, "So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?" A post indicating that the problems are not experienced by all users is responsive to that question. But since you all insist that your problems are systemic to the device, only new drivers will fix it, and any users not experiencing the problems should not be allowed to discuss it, I will let you keep that belief.
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I thought it was relevant to point out that since my Mogul does not exhibit the delays, the problems you are experiencing may not be caused by what you think is causing them. And if you read this thread, you will discover a post by another user who doesn't see the problem. The original post posed the question, "So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?" A post indicating that the problems are not experienced by all users is responsive to that question. But since you all insist that your problems are systemic to the device, only new drivers will fix it, and any users not experiencing the problems should not be allowed to discuss it, I will let you keep that belief.
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The fact of the matter is, hardware acceleration within the video drivers would considerably speed up all of the devices regardless of if you do or do not see a problem with your own device.
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First, I didn't realize that we were supposed to PM you for permission to *read* threads on this forum and that you would only permit users who agree with you to read those threads.
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I can be polite exactly once per thread per idiot. Typically, it's a misunderstanding that is cleared up with a more in-depth explanation. As for permission to read the thread... re-read my question, except this time, pretend you're not a flame-baiting schmuck that didn't get hugged by his mother enough as a child. I asked you a question... WHY would you read a thread about a problem you don't have, nor have a solution for? I'm hoping you can play the piano brialliantly, thus adding the term "savant" to your title.
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Nor does the thread title "Video acceleration news?" imply that it is going to be really just another gripe thread. Second, when you said "Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit" that is not the same thing as "I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs";
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Actually... the question mark implies that I am asking a *question*. While it doesn't explicitly ask the question "Does anyone have some video acceleration news?", it does in fact do more than subtly *hint*. In fact... one would go as far as to say that it is IMPLIED. Your illilteracy is not my problem (Oh... and illiteracy is the inability to read... I am not saying your parents weren't married). Furthermore, rephrasing my example actually DOES count as repeating myself... it doesn't have to be exact; that's what the word "verbatim" would be used for. Isn't English FUN!??!
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second. The switch between portrait and landscape is also accomplished in a fraction of a second. Scrolling in File Explorer works as it should with no blinking.
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Before (as I said), I was polite about this. YOU ARE A LIAR. I believe that your pants may be ablaze. I have heard it suggested to hang pants in such a condition on a telephone wire. HTC has stated that they know about the issue and their solution is to buy a new phone when they come out with video acceleration. Either you are OK with the delay (which is what I assumed originally), have *zero* concept of time, or option C: you are a dirty, filthy, weird liar. I'm betting it's option C, I'm betting you look for fights behind the anonymity of the internet constantly, and I bet you die alone and unloved.
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If I were in your position, instead of assuming that someone who posts different experiences than yours must be a fool who cannot tell how much time elapses during screen redraws and then telling them that they should not be reading "your" thread, I would question why my own device could not do what other similar devices can do.
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If I were in *your* position, I wouldn't assume that even though HTC has admitted the problem, and just about everyone complains about this problem, your ARGUMENT about the device would advance this thread in any kind of positive way whatsoever. Again... you will die alone. I am clairvoyant.
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maccaberry: I also use iGuidance 3.0.1, and the screen response works properly either with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver, or with the internal GPS receiver and the intermediate port workarounds. That workaround requirement is more a limitation of iGuidance than of the Mogul.
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...all alone.
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edit: maccaberry, you say that HTC has supplied substandard software. But at least some of your experiences are with a bootloader, ROM, and radio that were either not supplied by HTC for your device, or not supplied for use on your carrier, or not supplied to be used together, or have been modified from the software as it was supplied by HTC. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package with all of the customizations as supplied by HTC. Maybe that has some effect?
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On this, I agree a little bit... the latest ROMs fixed the delay a little bit, if I recall. Certainly, he lists an older DCD rom in his sig.
Oh... PS: All alone, by yourself, with no one to cry at your funeral.
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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Actually, having the exact same hardware and the exact same hardware *does* mean that "just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area", yours does as well. Unless somehow, you have a defect in your equipment that somehow makes your phone FASTER. It's not an issue of having an open mind... it's an issue about having the same equipment. Again, though, if you have no issues with the performance of the phone, that's excellent. I honestly *am* happy that you are satisfied with your purchase... but you can't tell other people that their dissatisfaction with a product is baseless. Everyone has their own opinion... this thread, however, wasn't created for posting your *opinion*. I was looking for updates. HTC has said they're working on something (but have stated it's not acceleration, but more along the lines of "tweaks" and optimization)...
How the heck do you make the phone talk during nav?
I'm not sure I'm doing it right, but I think you need to tap the screen every time you want to hear directions. Which is retarded, because one uses a GPS when they don't know where they're going, and having to touch the phone every other minute is a safety hazard for driving...
Sent from my PI39100 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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I'm not sure I'm doing it right, but I think you need to tap the screen every time you want to hear directions. Which is retarded, because one uses a GPS when they don't know where they're going, and having to touch the phone every other minute is a safety hazard for driving...
Sent from my PI39100 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Used it the other night while driving in the rain. It actually felt less distracting once I got it figured out.
You get your route, you have your phone somewhere where it is nearby, not necessarily in your line of sight. Double tap the screen, it tells you the next event. You get to the way-point, it chimes when you get it right. When you want the next instruction, tap the screen. There weren't persistent nags, no big goofy animations, just your buddy reading the map when you asked what was next.
By all means, if you are used to a talkative GPS, it ain't gonna do it for you, but it is more like having a co-pilot instead of a back seat driver.
There is no way Microsoft wants me to reach over and try and press my phone while driving in traffic.
Try turn by turn from the marketplace. Not too expensive and doesn't need lots of taps!
Well I can confirm you need a 3rd party app for turn by turn
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Dumb comment... what about unsing Bing for navigation? I am a WM6.5 user looking at the Titan for my next phone and I was told Bing works fine with audio nav.
I use Bing on my Tilt2 all the time with no problems. Is it safe to assume it will work on the Titan too?
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Dumb comment... what about unsing Bing for navigation? I am a WM6.5 user looking at the Titan for my next phone and I was told Bing works fine with audio nav.
I use Bing on my Tilt2 all the time with no problems. Is it safe to assume it will work on the Titan too?
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I love the Bing navigation! I've used it to guide me in London for completely unknown streets (not high streets or motorways!) - and yet it easily found where I was and got me to the point B!
However, as other users say, you have to tap if you want that lady to speak to you every now and again after each turn. If that is a big inconvenience to you, then you will need 3rd party apps. But if you want just occasional talk and spot on maps, I think Bing will suffice!
Garmin just released their turn by turn nav for WP7, as well. Might want to try that and see if you like it, too. Companies are finally waking up to WP7, which is good, since it has the highest click-through rate when people are investigating phone. That means more money for them potentially...
Navigon is a great app if you don't like the one that comes with the phone. If you wait it tends to go on sale for $25 instead of $49
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Navigon is a great app if you don't like the one that comes with the phone. If you wait it tends to go on sale for $25 instead of $49
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Yeah, but the offline one never goes on sale.
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There is no way Microsoft wants me to reach over and try and press my phone while driving in traffic.
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You don't have to "press" anything. You just tap anywhere on the screen. I didn't have to take my eyes off the road.
I use gps tuner app which does fine until a better alternative comes along. I think its a few £ in the market. They have a couple of versions now. No tapping on the screen and it seems to use Bing maps.
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Just an FYI if you actually go to navigon's website they are now Owned by Garmin, just thought yall might like to know that.
I've got the Navigon Europe app and it's great. Traffic included as well which was always extra with tomtom and copilot.
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Garmin just released their turn by turn nav for WP7, as well. Might want to try that and see if you like it, too. Companies are finally waking up to WP7, which is good, since it has the highest click-through rate when people are investigating phone. That means more money for them potentially...
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I just got a Titan last weekend and the Garmin was one of the first apps I put on (29.99 US). It works as well as the stand alone Garmin I got my mom for Christmas last year. Well worth it (for me anyway).
I am disappointed Bing was not able to integrate turn by turn directions like Google Maps was. That is one Android has on all other platforms hands down (at least right this moment).
That and you can Pre-Cache parts of the map so you don't need to have active Data running constantly if you have a small Data plan like I do plus it's FREE. Also it's not that Bing (Microsoft) couldn't integrate Turn by Turn Directions, they just didn't. Makes you wonder what kind of kick backs they are getting from Garmin, TomTom, etc.
I have navigon offline and it was on sale when i got it. Latest update also allows you to just download certain states if you don't want 1.6gb taken up. also added weather.
I am NOT paying $30 for any mobile software... I'll just take one of my old phones with me. I really think that $30 is ridiculous for navigation...
I finally unlocked my titan and installed Nokia Drive, all of USA, for free. No live traffic, afaik, but meh, don't care.
I'm in the process of converting my topaz device into a dedicated gps anyway, since it can get free TMC
Heh, you also have one of those wm6.1 suckers, too, ?
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Dear all,
Can anyone tell me if they are able to use Google Maps, especially for Navigation with Satellite Imagery turned on?
I have a terrible issue whereby after about two or three minutes of driving, first, my location freezes on the map (though notable is that the voice commands stay current and correct based on actual location). Then, the screen starts freezing, jumping, jerking, and generally MASSIVELY GLITCHING and flashing in a completely unviewable state. The voice commands however stay correct. It's just as if the device cannot handle 3D rendering of the imagery at all.
Now here's my big issue...
I am now onto my THIRD Galaxy S3, and this issue is reproduce-able 100% of the time, and over 100% of the devices. That is, it does it every time, and it does it on any and every Galaxy S3 I try to use for Google Navigation. And my devices have deliberately been a mix of some White, some Blue, some from one supplier, some from another.
So what I am asking, is are there any users out there that CAN actually use Google Maps Navigation fine on their Galaxy S3...
By that, I mean for a proper period of time, over a proper journey, deviating away from the set route, and with Satellite Imagery layer turned on. EVERY time I do this, on THREE separate devices, the display goes haywire. So I am trying to establish WHERE the fault is... is it phone software... is it phone hardware (I prey not), or is it a Google Maps issue (you'd think they have noticed by now if it doesn't work with the SGS3 though...)
The only saving grace is that it points to a Maps issue, as when using my NatWest Banking App, to locate ATM machines, when dragging the map about, it freezes terrible, then eventually crashes (just as Google Maps natively does for me a lot), and then eventually FC's... and the underlying mapping it uses is, yes, Google Maps.
So I'm after any feedback at all here.
But worried that it's 100% of the time for me, and on no less than THREE Galaxy S3's I've had so far, mix of white and blue, and mix of suppliers and locations...
Any comments please...?
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EDIT - just to add device info:
Samsung Galaxy S3, UK Unbranded, both blue and white.
Previous Firmware (with the same issue) was: XXLE8. CURRENT FW: XXLF2
Similar behaviour to what I see on the galaxy note after the so called ics update. Everything was fine on GB. So could be an issue with ICS. Because of that, plus a few other critical issues, I'm now an ex Samsung owner.
I have the same issue.
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Try an older version because I'm using v6.1.1 and no problems so far.
I have experienced crazy flashing and also a black screen while using Google Maps Navigation. It occurred about half way through a 30 min journey. I've seen it happen on both my girlfriends S3 and my own. Also, satellite layer was off.
Could be a bug caused by Samsung's graphics drivers? I hope its fixed soon. I'm currently on IMM76D.I9300XXALE8. There has been no OTA update for me yet and I am in Australia.
Well, that's the end of the S3 for me. The GPS using Google maps + Navigation was (is) a major feature for me. It worked so well on the SGN under Gingerbread and totally corked when I upgraded to ICS. Now I see the S3 ships with ICS and you guys have exactly the same issues.
I spoke to my retailer and went into great depth over what went wrong post ICS and they have noted EVERYTHING and has given me a full refund for the phone. This was my fourth device, Samsung cant/wont get it right and I want no more. I have no idea what my choices are for now, I'm using an old motorola clamshell whilst I ponder. I would recommend anyone having issues with the S3 or Note, just send it back to your retailer for a refund. The product is flawed and little will be done until Samsung see devices returned by the lorry load.
I have a white s3 (UK sim free) with lf2 and 6.8.1 Google maps. I've been using Google maps navigation for 2 weeks as my work pda (with built in tomtom) has been returned.
I've used it all day, 5 days a week, making at least 6 journeys per day with no issues.
I tried it today with satellite view and that too works with no issues. Worked ok with shipped firmware too. Le8 I think it was.
I have had the map jump around/flicker before when turning on a layer but exiting and reopening maps sorted that.
Hope this helps
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...........I have had the map jump around/flicker before when turning on a layer but exiting and reopening maps sorted that.
Hope this helps
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That was not my experience under GB. Under ICS My experience had nothing to do with layers, and reopening maps is not an option when driving, also, that is not how the software should be behaving. So you too have a faulty unit.
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That was not my experience under GB. Under ICS My experience had nothing to do with layers, and reopening maps is not an option when driving, also, that is not how the software should be behaving. So you too have a faulty unit.
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I have had similar random bugs on GB and froyo (since my sgs 1) and to say the 1 out of 50 times I use maps it may crash - means my s3 is faulty?
I don't think so
You do realise navigation is still in beta?
Last week Google introduced a bug which killed latitude, few days later another update fixed it.
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I have had similar random bugs on GB and froyo (since my sgs 1) and to say the 1 out of 50 times I use maps it may crash - means my s3 is faulty?
I don't think so
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We both have different experiences. See how you get on with the S3. Personally, I paid top whack for a flagship product and it doesn't work as it should. It also has the faulty eMMC chip. Under GB it never crashed once, under ICS, its so unstable as to not be reliable and not performing as could reasonably be expected. As I say, see how your S3 goes. I'm certain that not all units will display the same characteristics, but its clear some are. ;-)
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We both have different experiences. See how you get on with the S3. Personally, I paid top whack for a flagship product and it doesn't work as it should. It also has the faulty eMMC chip. Under GB it never crashed once, under ICS, its so unstable as to not be reliable and not performing as could reasonably be expected. As I say, see how your S3 goes. I'm certain that not all units will display the same characteristics, but its clear some are. ;-)
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Thanks, wasn't aware the eMMC chip issue was present in the s3, I'm sure I ran chainfires app to check when I first got it.
I shall bear that in mind when flashing, seeing as my s2 died a horrible death because of it
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Firstly, a BIG thank you to ALL who have contributed to this thread.
Could I ask that those with issues though, tick the poll to say so, as the comments in the thread indicate lots are seeing this issue, but the poll indicates most are having no issue.
Just to add to my own original post though, to say that today, on two separate journeys, Google Maps Navigation worked FINE for me, but with the SATELLITE LAYER TURNED OFF.
That is, standard mapping, and I had no screen issues.
So this only seems to happen when Satellite Imagery Layer is turned ON. In which case it does this 100% of the time for me, across 100% of three different S3's so far, and let me be clear, is so bad, the application is 100% unusable (unless you navigate by voice prompt) as the screen is either entirely frozen, or glitching permanently and incessantly, the whole time.
So my next question though is this... if this IS only a Google Maps Software issue, how exactly do we reach out to Google, to tell them that GMaps is not working, with the latest flagship Android Device...?
Also, as best I recall, I never had this issue with GMaps on my SGS2's both running ICS. But it might have been an earlier GMaps version.
Now, how would I find an earlier GMaps version, to see if that works...?
(Finally, as an aside, why does the SGS2 running ICS, score higher/better scores for 3D graphics, than the SGS3 does, using either Quadrant, CF Bench, or AnTuTu... surely the SGS3 should have BETTER 3D hardware...?)
I tried v6.1.1 and working so far.
http://multiupload.biz/qpmbog3jzau0/Maps_6.1.1_MultiUpload.biz.apk.html
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................So my next question though is this... if this IS only a Google Maps Software issue, how exactly do we reach out to Google, to tell them that GMaps is not working, with the latest flagship Android Device...?
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I doubt it is just confined to GMaps as other issues crop up, not just with me, but other guys on this thread and elsewhere. How to reach out: Android = Google = Gmaps. Samsung are in bed with Google. Throw the phone back to Samsung and use the forums, eventually they will roll over and tell Google to stop snoring, get up and do something. Oh I wish.
Hi,
I'm having similar issues but I get the screen locking on both Google Maps and also Sygic Maps.
Anyone else having this issue with more than one GPS SAT NAV software ?
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Hi,
I'm having similar issues but I get the screen locking on both Google Maps and also Sygic Maps.
Anyone else having this issue with more than one GPS SAT NAV software ?
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It shouldn't do that. Faulty unit, send it back.
I dont use the Satellite version of Navigation very often, but when you select walking directions it defaults to the satellite map. I was out cycling a couple of weeks ago and selected the walking directions, the satellite map got stuck and glitched exactly as per your description.
The reason your poll is soo heavily weighted as a no is it dosnt mention this issue is specific to using the satellite map.
Just a brief note to say that I too tested an OLDER version, 6.1.1 today, and found that it worked fine on the three journeys I tested it on, with Satellite Imagery turned ON.
So well done to that man - and whilst it still could be a combined Google/Samsung to blame flaw, it does give hope that it is software only issue, that can be fixed with a new version of Google Maps.
As for the point about the poll appearing flawed as it does not specifically state "if Satellite imagery is turned ON", then very good point - my bad!
Contacting Google about this issue:
I've reached out to Google in the only way I can think of...
The following Support Forum thread:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/mobile/maps-earth-latitude/IlJDfMkgl3U
Hope it's ok to share it here. Mods, if not, please delete the post, not my account *lol*
If anyone else is seeing this issue, can you post there too?
That's not taking anything away from this forum, or attempting to gain anything from this - it's just that this is the ONLY way to let Google know about issues.
So please post there, if this is ok with the Mods here.
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I've reached out to Google in the only way I can think of...
The following Support Forum thread:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/mobile/maps-earth-latitude/IlJDfMkgl3U
Hope it's ok to share it here. Mods, if not, please delete the post, not my account *lol*
If anyone else is seeing this issue, can you post there too?
That's not taking anything away from this forum, or attempting to gain anything from this - it's just that this is the ONLY way to let Google know about issues.
So please post there, if this is ok with the Mods here.
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That is a very good post, and thanks for making the effort. I hope the Mods do not delete it. I'm sure they wont. We all have to make whatever contribution we can to get the product right. In essence, both the SGS3 and SGN have a uniqueness that is not repeated by any other manufacturer yet. I have tried to seek alternatives that satisfy my needs in the way the two Samsung products can potentially do, but there are no realistic options. However, in their current state, I'm keeping my wallet firmly closed until Samsung/Google get it sorted.
Hi everyone, I'm having a hard time using google maps because about 80% of time the phone is not showing the direction in which it's pointed properly, it's about 90 degrees off most of the time, can even go as far as being 180 off when indoors, and the worst thing is that it's not like that all the time, so there is no way of getting used to it, really annoing for me cause I use maps to get directions all the time.
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Hi everyone, I'm having a hard time using google maps because about 80% of time the phone is not showing the direction in which it's pointed properly, it's about 90 degrees off most of the time, can even go as far as being 180 off when indoors, and the worst thing is that it's not like that all the time, so there is no way of getting used to it, really annoing for me cause I use maps to get directions all the time.
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Download "GPS state" from Play Store and do it's "compass calibration"...
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Download "GPS state" from Play Store and do it's "compass calibration"...
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Thanks very much for the answer, but I got a little confused figuring out which one you're talking about, cause there are plenty of those on the market:silly:
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Thanks very much for the answer, but I got a little confused figuring out which one you're talking about, cause there are plenty of those on the market:silly:
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Search for "GPS Status & Toolbox" by MobiWIA....
I had your same issue on my european LG G2 when I went to Taipei...
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Search for "GPS Status & Toolbox" by MobiWIA....
I had your same issue on my european LG G2 when I went to Taipei...
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Thanks a lot, seems to be working just fine now.:good:
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Well, I guess compass was not the problem, yesterday I experienced somewhat of a slap in a face from moto. I was in a hurry to get to a bus station since I was late and in an unknown part of the city, so I opened maps for directions, and as I found out later, the direction pointer (for a lack of a better word) was 90 degrees to the right from where it should have been, so I went the wrong way and missed my bus, then opened the GPS status app to see if the compass needs to be calibrated, and it said it was already perfectly calibrated. This is the most frustrating issue I had with a phone, what's the point in fancy features if the basics aren't covered, I feel like calling moto for warranty, but this sure would be a tough call, since my phone's from UK, and I'm in Poland right now, so I wish there was another way.
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Well, I guess compass was not the problem, yesterday I experienced somewhat of a slap in a face from moto. I was in a hurry to get to a bus station since I was late and in an unknown part of the city, so I opened maps for directions, and as I found out later, the direction pointer (for a lack of a better word) was 90 degrees to the right from where it should have been, so I went the wrong way and missed my bus, then opened the GPS status app to see if the compass needs to be calibrated, and it said it was already perfectly calibrated. This is the most frustrating issue I had with a phone, what's the point in fancy features if the basics aren't covered, I feel like calling moto for warranty, but this sure would be a tough call, since my phone's from UK, and I'm in Poland right now, so I wish there was another way.
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Why is it that Chinese phones have such a problem with GPS? for the same brand and model, the one device GPS works perfect, another it's a disaster.... i read this on several chinese made phones....