This has been brought up in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486926
I figured it would be time to start a new thread on it to discuss work-arounds.
Is it possible to revert to .11? I assume we would need to re-root.
EDIT* Since I didn't mention it, I am unable to OTA on 11.1. I live in Colorado which people from the other thread have stated they are able to update from.
redpoint13 said:
This has been brought up in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486926
I figured it would be time to start a new thread on it to discuss work-arounds.
Is it possible to revert to .11? I assume we would need to re-root.
EDIT* Since I didn't mention it, I am unable to OTA on 11.1. I live in Colorado which people from the other thread have stated they are able to update from.
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No, you can't go back until we have working recoveries and proper backups can be made. Only choice is to wait for manual version of .13, install it (should be up in 1-3 days), and likely after that the Kernel numbers will be in the right line for OTA's again
*EDIT: I too am on 11.1, just have to wait either for ASUS to update the firmware downloads on their website or for one of our fellow xda'ers to capture the update and upload it for us
Don't you love those Asus emails telling you to flash things without any indication of consequences? That's why I didn't flash the one I was pmed.
yep this kinda blows. went 11.1 because I considered rooting, but didnt.
Just didnt see any benefit for me at this point since there were no ROMS, boot ubnlock etc.
Oh well, hopefully it will be up on Asus soon.
Also hopefully when we do manually update to .13 any future OTA's will be available to us?
Seems to be a firmware update today just got it
Commodore 64
buxtahuda said:
No, you can't go back until we have working recoveries and proper backups can be made. Only choice is to wait for manual version of .13, install it (should be up in 1-3 days), and likely after that the Kernel numbers will be in the right line for OTA's again
*EDIT: I too am on 11.1, just have to wait either for ASUS to update the firmware downloads on their website or for one of our fellow xda'ers to capture the update and upload it for us
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So it sounds like we are guaranteed to lose root then?
GreginNH said:
yep this kinda blows. went 11.1 because I considered rooting, but didnt.
Just didnt see any benefit for me at this point since there were no ROMS, boot ubnlock etc.
Oh well, hopefully it will be up on Asus soon.
Also hopefully when we do manually update to .13 any future OTA's will be available to us?
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The biggest thing for rooting to me was being able to install/use an ad-block program.
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So it sounds like we are guaranteed to lose root then?
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Yeah but should be no issue for those who made sure to use voodoo OTA rootkeeeper. The update breaks root but I easily restored it. VOODOO OTA ROOTKEEPER IS A MUST HAVE NOW!
Been working great for me last few updates. Saves me Hassell of having to worry about manually rooting sgain
Does it not work downloading and flashing 9.4.2.11 from asus' site and aquiring the .13 OTA that way?
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So it sounds like we are guaranteed to lose root then?
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Absolutely!
I don't know how OTA's work, but it seems that the 11.1 just isn't in their timeline and so the servers aren't pushing to those devices. If ASUS could rectify this and somehow make it available, your OTA Rootkeeper will work.
Most likely, will have to manually update to .13 and then re-root for (third for me) second time. Don't worry, Viper and everyone will update quickly I'm sure.
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demandarin said:
Yeah but should be no issue for those who made sure to use voodoo OTA rootkeeeper. The update breaks root but I easily restored it. VOODOO OTA ROOTKEEPER IS A MUST HAVE NOW!
Been working great for me last few updates. Saves me Hassell of having to worry about manually rooting sgain
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No, 'darin. It's OTA Rootkeeper. Not just Rootkeeper.
Manual updates wipe out your /system/ and so your subackup folder and any others relating to Rootkeeper's backup get removed.
*EDIT: Also, sorry, didn't meant to sound like a d'bag lol just trying to make sure some poor soul doesn't do a manual update thinking rootkeeper will work for them
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Absolutely!
I don't know how OTA's work, but it seems that the 11.1 just isn't in their timeline and so the servers aren't pushing to those devices. If ASUS could rectify this and somehow make it available, your OTA Rootkeeper will work.
Most likely, will have to manually update to .13 and then re-root for (third for me) second time. Don't worry, Viper and everyone will update quickly I'm sure.
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No, 'darin. It's OTA Rootkeeper. Not just Rootkeeper.
Manual updates wipe out your /system/ and so your subackup folder and any others relating to Rootkeeper's backup get removed.
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Good point..lmfao wasn't really thinkn of that. Exit stage right. Lol
demandarin said:
Yeah but should be no issue for those who made sure to use voodoo OTA rootkeeeper. The update breaks root but I easily restored it. VOODOO OTA ROOTKEEPER IS A MUST HAVE NOW!
Been working great for me last few updates. Saves me Hassell of having to worry about manually rooting sgain
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AFAIK when you manually install "OTA" root keeper does not work, and seems like others are confirming this.
I just hope someone is able to quickly find another root exploit as fast as they did for .11.
Hopefully they'll rectify this in the next couple of days, don't want to be without root again .
On a different note, did anyone notice the screen would take longer to come on from standby after the 11.1 update? Mine takes about a second longer than I THINK it did before updating, but I'm not sure.
I noticed that as well. 1st few times I hit it twice due to the delay which would end up turning it on and then back to standby/sleep
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Hopefully they'll rectify this in the next couple of days, don't want to be without root again .
On a different note, did anyone notice the screen would take longer to come on from standby after the 11.1 update? Mine takes about a second longer than I THINK it did before updating, but I'm not sure.
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Yes, also noticed it. We'll see if the .13 goes back to the quicker.
Duh!
Just tried something on my 11.1 that I manually updated. If you already have root, use a build.prop editor to change:
ro.build.display.id to IML74K.US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
ro.build.version.incremental to US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
Save, then reboot. Once it boots up, don't unlock the device. Turn the screen off until it connects to the network, then unlock. It may hot-reboot a couple of times, but just keep trying.
Once you've got it up, go check for a firmware update. You should be able to get it.
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Just tried something on my 11.1 that I manually updated. If you already have root, use a build.prop editor to change:
ro.build.display.id to IML74K.US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
ro.build.version.incremental to US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
Save, then reboot. Once it boots up, don't unlock the device. Turn the screen off until it connects to the network, then unlock. It may hot-reboot a couple of times, but just keep trying.
Once you've got it up, go check for a firmware update. You should be able to get it.
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What are the risks of this? I want to do this myself but I'm worried.
isantop said:
Just tried something on my 11.1 that I manually updated. If you already have root, use a build.prop editor to change:
ro.build.display.id to IML74K.US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
ro.build.version.incremental to US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
Save, then reboot. Once it boots up, don't unlock the device. Turn the screen off until it connects to the network, then unlock. It may hot-reboot a couple of times, but just keep trying.
Once you've got it up, go check for a firmware update. You should be able to get it.
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Trying now.
*RETARDED found both
isantop said:
Just tried something on my 11.1 that I manually updated. If you already have root, use a build.prop editor to change:
ro.build.display.id to IML74K.US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
ro.build.version.incremental to US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
Save, then reboot. Once it boots up, don't unlock the device. Turn the screen off until it connects to the network, then unlock. It may hot-reboot a couple of times, but just keep trying.
Once you've got it up, go check for a firmware update. You should be able to get it.
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Even if this seems to work, I would be very worried about messing up the system. The OTAs are basically a patch file, and they only contain the changed bits of system files, not the whole files. (It's using bsdiff, if anyone cares.)
What this means is, if it's patching the wrong file because you lied about your version, it will very likely mess up your system - maybe even make it unbootable until you fix it with a full update.
Now, it's possible this update doesn't touch any files which changed between .11 and. 11.1, so it would be safe. But I wouldn't assume that.
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Trying now.
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Any news? I.e. does it work or not?
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Help.
I have a rooted Thunderbolt and I have been able to reject the update from Verizon until this afternoon when my phone started to update on its own. The update didn't go through and I got an error icon. Now my phone just goes through the same cycle of turning it self off and trying to update and crashing.
I am able to get to the Clockwork Mod recovery page but the only option that works is the 'reboot system now', which starts the phone and the whole cycle of trying to update is started.
Does anyone have an idea of how to get my phone working again?
Thanks in advance.
Mike
I'm really sorry to hear that happened, I'm not sure what you can do. Hopefully someone will be able to help you out. But at least I can tell you that you are not alone! I wasn't rooted, but my phone did autoupdate on its own at about 2:30pm today.
I posted about it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234844
Pull your SDcard, wipe the pg05img.zip file, and try again. You might have to reflash clockwork.
This is the problem with running rooted stock ROMs. I know flashing a new ROM isn't what a noob wants to do, but it will avoid these very confusing headaches.
whats if you rooted using revolutionary? As far as i know there wont be that pg05img.zip file to delete.
Would you always be in danger is this if you are rooted and stay stock?
Why would someone want to root their phone and stay stock ??????
Sent from my Verizon LTE 4G Thunderbolt
loonatik78 said:
This is the problem with running rooted stock ROMs
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Nope. One only has to keep up with the current releases, rooted versions of which come out within days of official release.
Are you sure it is the Verizon update?
I have the same behavior on my T-bolt since about 10 pst today. However, just before the phone shuts down to reboot, I see a note about a new version of Clockworkmod Recovery 4.0.1.5.
So I have been working on the assumption that it is CWM Recovery that is doing an automatic update.
I also am running rooted stock, and have not updated to latest release.
OK, it isn't the update to CWM Recovery that is the problem; it is the Verizon OTA update, which they have figured out how to force on us. I fixed my phone using the solution given by Mike later in this thread.
jbh00jh said:
Why would someone want to root their phone and stay stock ??????
Sent from my Verizon LTE 4G Thunderbolt
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Debloating. Stock is pretty damn nice without all the extra crap.
*Madmoose* said:
Debloating. Stock is pretty damn nice without all the extra crap.
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This, plus "root while you can" - there's no guarantee that rooting will be possible with each subsequent (unrooted) release, but you can root now and stay rooted to keep your options open. Also, getting full backups of everything is easier when rooted.
Did the fix work?
Mike, did you try what loonatik suggested? Did it work? Waiting breathlessly...
Unless I am misunderstanding the problem wiping cache from Clockwork recovery should clear out the update and it will quit trying to install it. For the future if you go to settings in the about phone or software update section (dont remeber which) there is an option to de-select scheduled update checks.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
Wait.. what? Most ROMs I've seen are debloated.. At the very least they have VZW crap removed
Thanks guys for all your help and interest. I tried the solution offered by lunatic but it did not work. Thanks any way I was still looping through continuous on and off cycle. I did however did find a solution on another site. Here is the solution from Sele.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thundebolt-hacking-guides/2257-rs-guide-how-get-rid-ota-forced-reboots-rooted-phone.html
It was easier fix than I thought it would be. Step #1 worked.
I also did this to stop the update from happening again.
"If you are rooted use root explorer or super manager and set system to R/W. Then navigate to /system/etc/security. Find the file named otacerts.zip and rename it to otacerts.zip.bak and reboot. Should fix you up."
I'm sorry I can't remember who offered this solution to give credit to. I haven't had any updates yet but only time will tell.
Good Luck with your phone.
JBO1018 said:
Unless I am misunderstanding the problem wiping cache from Clockwork recovery should clear out the update and it will quit trying to install it. For the future if you go to settings in the about phone or software update section (dont remeber which) there is an option to de-select scheduled update checks.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
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Yes you are correct wiping the cache fixed the problem.
mjkusa said:
Thanks guys for all your help and interest. I tried the solution offered by lunatic but it did not work. Thanks any way I was still looping through continuous on and off cycle. I did however did find a solution on another site. Here is the solution from Sele.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thundebolt-hacking-guides/2257-rs-guide-how-get-rid-ota-forced-reboots-rooted-phone.html
It was easier fix than I thought it would be. Step #1 worked.
I also did this to stop the update from happening again.
"If you are rooted use root explorer or super manager and set system to R/W. Then navigate to /system/etc/security. Find the file named otacerts.zip and rename it to otacerts.zip.bak and reboot. Should fix you up."
I'm sorry I can't remember who offered this solution to give credit to. I haven't had any updates yet but only time will tell.
Good Luck with your phone.
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Definitely a handy resource.. Every time a new OTA comes out, this is a very frequently asked question.
I suppose you could always use an RUU too
mike.s said:
Nope. One only has to keep up with the current releases, rooted versions of which come out within days of official release.
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Based on how many of these threads I see, that clearly isn't what's being done.
Apologies up front... I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but my searches can't turn up the answer I'm looking for.
I'm not ready to grab the new update, kernel, or radios. I'm running perfectly the way I want with Nils GingerSense 1.5 (GB).
The first OTA nag, I was able to reject. This morning, the OTA downloaded (found the OTAPkg.zip in /cache/fumo), but I was only able to defer several days, no reject option.
Question: Is there anything I can do to prevent future Verizon OTA attempts and forget about this until I'M ready to move forward?
I used to have fotakill.apk in my cm7 rom for the incredible . Maybe you can download any cm7 rom and extract that file. Might work?
I believe you can just delete otacerts.zip from /system/security and it shouldn't prompt you. I think that's what some people did on the Inc to block it before. Some also modified their build.prop, but I'm not sure what the line was, or what to change it to now.
I'm not to be held liable if anything goes wrong after modifying any of these things. Make a backup first!
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA Premium.
SteveG12543 said:
I believe you can just delete otacerts.zip from /system/security and it shouldn't prompt you. I think that's what some people did on the Inc to block it before. Some also modified their build.prop, but I'm not sure what the line was, or what to change it to now.
I'm not to be held liable if anything goes wrong after modifying any of these things. Make a backup first!
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA Premium.
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I see a otacerts.zip in /etc/security , so I'll try renaming that, thanks.
Well, about an hour after I renamed /etc/security/otacerts.zip to otacerts.zip.bak, another OTA download has begone, so that's not going to do the trick. I've restored the file, and the download is continuing. I'm deferring again, not sure what to try next.
Resigned
DIncLover said:
Well, about an hour after I renamed /etc/security/otacerts.zip to otacerts.zip.bak, another OTA download has begone, so that's not going to do the trick. I've restored the file, and the download is continuing. I'm deferring again, not sure what to try next.
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You will have to stare at this thing to be ready ... it snuck the OTA at me when I wasn't looking, and I only realized it when the phone vibrated as it leaped into recovery and started flashing the OTA. Never asked my permission, and I never gave it.
I simply deleted every apk in the /system/app folder that said either Verizon or VZW.... I have not gotten any prompts about the OTA and it definitely has not installed or attempted to.
htcdm showed up as "hogging data" in one of my data trackign apps when i got my update message, hope that helps.
Would be nice to reject this OTA.
It don't even ask before trying to apply it!
I'm suprised that people on custom roms are getting the update attempt. Usually on a custom ROM, that kills the OTA updates. This is usually only a problem on those that are on a stock rooted type rom.
Very weird
I'm at a loss. I don't know whether to accept the update or not. I think with the Mainver fix, I can always go back...right?
My thinking is the update might patch a leak that might help us get S-Off. If I'm way off base, please let me know, because ignorance is bliss.
jdmba said:
You will have to stare at this thing to be ready ... it snuck the OTA at me when I wasn't looking, and I only realized it when the phone vibrated as it leaped into recovery and started flashing the OTA. Never asked my permission, and I never gave it.
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I'm just stock ICS rooted, only did it for removing bloat and using tethering. Now my phone tries to do this update automatically too and it just reboots into twrp and sits there... One of these days it will do it overnight and i'll miss my alarm!! Pisses me off. ha
brettokok said:
I'm just stock ICS rooted, only did it for removing bloat and using tethering. Now my phone tries to do this update automatically too and it just reboots into twrp and sits there... One of these days it will do it overnight and i'll miss my alarm!! Pisses me off. ha
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I registered just to reply to this. I took did a stock ICS root to get rid of bloat. Last night, it attempted to do an install at 2 AM est, got to recovery and hung. I rebooted it and went to sleep. 7:30 AM, my back-up alarm goes off, I look over at my phone, and it's stuck in recovery again, they tried to push another update while I was sleeping, and I missed my early alarm.
This is unacceptable. I need to find out how to permanently reject this blasted thing.
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I registered just to reply to this. I took did a stock ICS root to get rid of bloat. Last night, it attempted to do an install at 2 AM est, got to recovery and hung. I rebooted it and went to sleep. 7:30 AM, my back-up alarm goes off, I look over at my phone, and it's stuck in recovery again, they tried to push another update while I was sleeping, and I missed my early alarm.
This is unacceptable. I need to find out how to permanently reject this blasted thing.
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Yeah, happens to me once or twice a day, and if you don't notice it as it happens, it ends up just rebooted sitting in twrp. So I don't get calls or texts or alarms.
Anyone out there have any idea how to block the OTA's? Or can anyone answer if the following is possible.... I have never used titanium backup for actually doing any backups. I have just used it for removing stupid verizon apps. Could I do a backup of setting/apps and then flash the newest stock ICS ruu or whatever, re-use the root tool, and then restore my stuff from my backup?
Googled it and it was the first result...
http://www.chargeforums.com/forum/d...s-ota-update-very-easy-but-requires-root.html
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Squirrel1620 said:
Googled it and it was the first result...
http://www.chargeforums.com/forum/d...s-ota-update-very-easy-but-requires-root.html
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda app-developers app
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About 8 posts back someone said that didn't work for their rezound. I tried it regardless. Had tried renaming that file with astro file explorer and i didn't have permission so I bought root explorer and it let me do it. We'll see if it keeps doing it to me like it did to the above poster...
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About 8 posts back someone said that didn't work for their rezound. I tried it regardless. Had tried renaming that file with astro file explorer and i didn't have permission so I bought root explorer and it let me do it. We'll see if it keeps doing it to me like it did to the above poster...
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I used titanium backup pro and froze the updater.apk so far so good. all day and no popups. I am Stock and Root.
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I used titanium backup pro and froze the updater.apk so far so good. all day and no popups. I am Stock and Root.
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I'm stock and rooted.
Last night, I froze the updater app in Titanium Backup. I rebooted for good measure. This morning I woke up to my phone booted in recovery.
I rejected the update and booted back up. So this is still an issue...
Just chiming in that I'm also affected, but havne'tthat on Sunday this push broke my GB image, so bad that I had to RUU it to ICS. Now I've been finding my phone at TWRP every morning with an OTA.zip failing to flash.
Additionally, I got a message that offered me to defer my update and I chose 3/10 at 7pm. But it still tried overnight.
Use tibu to freeze the ota updater package.
Or flash a custom recovery like amon ra for rezound. Or even a custom rom, say simplistic if you want to stay on an ics/sense based rom
To get the ota, one must have: a relatively unmodified stock rom (key system apps can't be frozen or missing) and the stock recovery tool. If you change either of those, you won't get prompted to do the OTA.
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AndroidGraphix said:
I'm at a loss. I don't know whether to accept the update or not. I think with the Mainver fix, I can always go back...right?
My thinking is the update might patch a leak that might help us get S-Off. If I'm way off base, please let me know, because ignorance is bliss.
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If you're s-on, you can't rewind the firmware on your phone. The mainver fix is just to get certain roms installed.
While it's possible they could patch the current s-off method, I doubt they care much at this point. Verizon has depleted their stock of replacement rezounds and HTC has moved onto new devices.
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I have a Transformer Prime with an Unknown Serial Number. My tablet can NOT be pushed OTA Updates by ASUS. Do NOT suggest going to ASUS's website and downloading their update file, you can NOT keep Root using those files. OTA RootKeeper ONLY Works on OTA Updates PUSHED by ASUS to your tablet.
Do NOT suggest going to ASUS's website and downloading their update file. Do NOT suggest any blob file that has been linked to on these forums, UNLESS it is from someone who has actually COPIED the OTA Update from ASUS AS IT WAS BEING PUSHED to their tablet. These blob files are NOT OTA Updates.
Okay, so if you have an unknown serial on your Transformer or Transformer Prime you can't get OTA Updates. I am one of these people and it sucks because I actually like 9.4.2.21. I want root.
Now my question is, is it possible for someone with a TF101/TF201 to use some ADB or some other software to intercept the package that ASUS is pushing to the tablet and make it available to others?
I would try to figure out how to do it myself, but as I mentioned earlier. I don't have a tablet with a serial number, it shows unknown. So no OTA Updates for me.
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Okay, so if you have an unknown serial on your Transformer or Transformer Prime you can't get OTA Updates. I am one of these people and it sucks because I actually like 9.4.2.21.
Now my question is, is it possible for someone with a TF101/TF201 to use some ADB or some other software to intercept the package that ASUS is pushing to the tablet and make it available to others?
I would try to figure out how to do it myself, but as I mentioned earlier. I don't have a tablet with a serial number, it shows unknown. So no OTA Updates for me.
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You can manually update it using wolf849 method, which is really used to downgrade but im more then certain it would work to manually upgrade.
Ill go step by step.
1. If you want root, and are on 9.4.2.15 now, root it now! then backup root with OTA ROOTKEEPER
2.Download latest .21 FW here http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=20&s=16&m=Eee+Pad+Transformer+Prime+TF201&os=32 you likely want US build, not WW (check in settings under about this tablet)
3. Download my modded ViperMOD tool from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25508554&postcount=52 this allows for one click downgrade.
4. Extract the .21 fw you download and find the file named "blob" and put blob on the root of you primes INTERNAL MEMORY
5. Make sure all prime drivers are installed (should install by themselves , mine did) then open my modded viperMOD (thanks viperboy) and connect transformer prime. Select option 1 in modded viperMOD tool to downgrade tablet (in your case upgrade, it just manually apply's the blob file (firmware) )
6. Should reboot to .21 then restore root with OTA Rootkeeper if wanted
Hope it works
You can't manually update or you'll lose root. Unless you have tested this yourself I'll stick with where I am. I was on 9.4.2.15, manually upgraded to .21 as I have Unknown Serial problems, LOST ROOT. Currently downgraded to 9.4.2.14.
Aka, downgrade to 9.4.2.XX. Root. Protect Root, Use the tool to upgrade to .21. Restore Root. If you can show me video evidence of this, I will do it. Otherwise, it would be a waste of my time as I would have to downgrade AGAIN and stay where I am.
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You can't manually update or you'll lose root. Unless you have tested this yourself I'll stick with where I am. I was on 9.4.2.15, manually upgraded to .21 as I have Unknown Serial problems, LOST ROOT. Currently downgraded to 9.4.2.14.
Aka, downgrade to 9.4.2.XX. Root. Protect Root, Use the tool to upgrade to .21. Restore Root. If you can show me video evidence of this, I will do it. Otherwise, it would be a waste of my time as I would have to downgrade AGAIN and stay where I am.
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I was on .21 downgraded to .15, then rooted, then installed OTA rootkeeper to backup root, updated to .21 OTA then restored root with OTA rootkeeper, and im now on .21 rooted with out a unlocked prime. This has also been stated by many others.
The Blob files are NOT the OTAs as far as I can tell from what I have read.
I can NOT receive OTA Updates from ASUS while connected to the internet on my Tablet. I have an UNKNWON SERIAL NUMBER on my TF201.
An Unknown Serial Number prohibits me from being pushed OTAs by ASUS.
slayvus, im with you, im gonna get my prime replaced or rma'd on thursday if i cant find exactly what your looking for!.
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The Blob files are NOT the OTAs as far as I can tell from what I have read.
I can NOT receive OTA Updates from ASUS while connected to the internet on my Tablet. I have an UNKNWON SERIAL NUMBER on my TF201.
An Unknown Serial Number prohibits me from being pushed OTAs by ASUS.
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doing the manual update is like doing the OTA updates
you keep all your information on your prime hence you can just use the root keeper to restore root
of course we're just trying to help you but if you refuse to listen to us and want us to spend time to prove to you that something works when you can always try your self, then never mind just stay on your firmware that you're on @[email protected];
This is getting tiresome of repeating this. So I let you hear it from someone who MADE Primetime, -viperboy-.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25495366&postcount=1634
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Assdikes said:
How come I can't root or how come vipermod is not getting the job done anymore? Also I don't really know how to make real use of the OTA root keeper, because everytime I updated I made a SU backup, and then I think this is where I mess up, Then I would install the update manually from my sd card and everything is out of whack the root is messed up in a half root state sometimes, and my apps are gone, and blah blah blah...... someone help!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Dear God, can you read?! DIRECTLY from the OP:
THIS WILL NOT ROOT .21 AT THIS TIME!!
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There is no root method for .21, only a downgrade procedure. The reason why OTA Root Keeper didn't work is because...
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...it's called "OTA rootkeeper", not "manual update rootkeeper".
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...when you update it from the sdcard, it's the full install, not the OTA that only makes certain changes. You are wiping out the OS and your su-backup.
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Again, lets go over this ONE more time since people can not seem to read and think EVERYONE on the internet is wrong.
THE BLOB FILES ARE NOT OTA UPDATES! THEY ARE MANUAL UPDATES AND YOU CAN NOT KEEP ROOT IF YOU USE THEM!
If someone can show a know developer saying different, THAN I will believe you. Until than, I will go with the assumption that, again, BLOB files are manual updates. I do NOT want to waste time to have to do everything over again on my Prime and risk bricking it AGAIN. I already risked it once by downgrading.
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It worked finally, but I wasted my time.
I installed WW15, rooted it, save the root with OTA RK, reinstalled 21WW but OTA RK did not restore the saved root. Either I cannot OTA RK correctly, or you cannot root 21 at all. I do not get that somebody reported they could restore 21 root, maybe they are unlocked.
I need to decide to stay with 15 or rest in peace with 21 not rooted.
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I installed using the guide in the dev forum, sd card and blob.
Then I do not know.
I just clicked on "backup root", I have no idea where it's installed.
But you can eventually explain how to use it correctly.
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No, I'm asking how you went from 15 to 21. Did you let it update over the air or did you manually update via an SDcard update? Just wondering because Root Keeper only works for OTA updates from what I understand. For example, I was on version 15, rooted with this tool, installed Root Keeper, backed up root, and when the update came it installed automatically, and I just had to go back into Root Keeper and restore root.
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I think this is your problem. It's an OTA Root Keeper. You did not update OTA
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Now PLEASE, stop suggesting that I install .21 using a BLOB file off my SDCard. It's making me feel bad having to prove you wrong. All I want to know is if it is possible to intercept ASUS' OTA Updates so that people like ME can make use of them.
Could be a way
slayvus,
This guy managed to intercept this us one, now it would be nice if they could do it for my ww version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1437274
im downloading this old firmware to comare it to the manual blob to see if its just a case of putting the blob in the cache folder :S
we would just need someone with a non .21 prime to download the ota for us
It looks promising, but it doesn't seem like anyone has contributed to that method in over a month.
without trying to get your hopes up im returning mine tomorrow if i dont find a solution tonight i did find this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22928122
a direct link to asus ota update for 8.6.5.21 -> 9.2.1.11 US
im going to check out whats in this zip, and see if i can find an ota link for ww, if i find one for .21 its worth you trying, you can allways downgrade again.
i went from .21 to .11 to .21 to 8.8.3.33 now im back at .15, lol
You can download FOTAKILL.apk and install it in /system/data and it will no longer OTA.
Did it for the Xoom on 4.0.3 Team EOS 1.0. Works perfect. Will work on the Lemon TF201 as well.
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Okay, so if you have an unknown serial on your Transformer or Transformer Prime you can't get OTA Updates. I am one of these people and it sucks because I actually like 9.4.2.21.
Now my question is, is it possible for someone with a TF101/TF201 to use some ADB or some other software to intercept the package that ASUS is pushing to the tablet and make it available to others?
I would try to figure out how to do it myself, but as I mentioned earlier. I don't have a tablet with a serial number, it shows unknown. So no OTA Updates for me.
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You can go to Asus.com and download the .21 updated zip file. If you unzip it you will find the blob file there. You will have to manually update but you will lose root. OTA root keeper wont work for this method.
If you want to intercept, accept the OTA download but dont install it. Go to your cache folder (I forget the sub folder maybe someone can chime in) and there you will find the dlpkxxxxx file. I assume if you copy that file into another Prime in the same directory that the tab will assume you have just downloaded an update and will install it as if it were OTA. Then you may be able to use OTA rootkeeper to restore root afterwards. I haven't tried this myself so just a theory.
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slayvus
im going to get mine rma'd or replaced this afternoon,
when i get a working one back ill get a copy of the OTA from my cache folder, i feel this may be a way for unknown serial number units to get .21 with root!
i may be getting mine fixed but i will still strive to get a fix for this situation.
Believe me ive upgraded and downgraded to and from .21 about 10 times sofar so its still worth trying.
Again, the updates from ASUS on their website, which are the blob files people are passing around for things like downgrades and such ARE NOT THE SAME THING AS AN OTA UPDATE.
An OTA Update is smaller than the blob files by a LOT. The OTAs are like less than 100 MB for the incremental updates. The updates on ASUS's website are over 300MB.
calm down, im sorry if i didnt say it right, im only human, i am going to get the ota update that downloads to the cache folder which as you say is smaller than the asus blob, i fully understand this, i spent all last night looking for the asus OTA 9.4.2.21 update, the best i could find is one to update to 9.4.2.11.
I repeat, I do not mean the one from asus.com, i am refering to the ones the units automaticly notifys you that they are availble and you then download direct to device, allowing you to use ota root keeper.
i upgraded to .21 using wolfs method last night and confirm that root is not kept if you do it that way.
when i get a working unit i will help intercept where the update downloads to and get a copy from my device, even if it means downgrading multiple times till we get it right!
I have no problem with what you said XN, the problem is with people like aznmode.
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You can go to Asus.com and download the .21 updated zip file.
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I have no problem with what you said XN, the problem is with people like aznmode.
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Did you see my 2nd paragraph? Did that not answer your question? I try to help and you have a problem with it. Get that stick out of your ass dude.
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Did you even read my OP before I updated it? I have no problem with reading.
I can NOT receive OTA Updates. My Prime has an Unknown Serial Number. ASUS refuses to push OTA Updates to Primes that have the Unknown Serial Number.
I understand you cant receive OTA and thats a known problem ever since the first ICS build came around and Asus is well aware of it and I've been in this ATP forums since this tablet was release so I am well aware of that issue as well. My 1st prime was in Dec of last year. Anyway I was generalizing when I said "you" and I didnt mean YOU cause obviously you cant get the OTA. My main point was how it can be done. I have intercepted an OTA before and I have some saved and I've done it with my Acer a100 as well. We're all here to help each other out so you should be thankful instead of being an ass about it. People will less likely to help you in the future. Not gonna waste anymore time..but good luck and hope you get your problem sorted out.
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I keep canceling it. Trying the link for more info and the page is 404.
Edit: Sorry no screen shot. I didn't think to grab one. Just look at the date of this post. Are you seeing similar behavior? I just don't want to blindly let something install without knowing what is going on. I also don't want to Bork something by letting the phone do stuff automatically. It could "fix" something I don't want to be fixed and block something I don't want blocked. Knowing Samsung, it would fix something that cannot be rolled back once applied.
Edit 2: Just did a twrp nandroid backup, just in case. I don't know if the update does anything to hardware yet, but I have the software side backed up.
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I keep canceling it. Trying the link for more info and the page is 404.
Edit: Sorry no screen shot. I didn't think to grab one. Just look at the date of this post. Are you seeing similar behavior? I just don't want to blindly let something install without knowing what is going on. I also don't want to Bork something by letting the phone do stuff automatically. It could "fix" something I don't want to be fixed and block something I don't want blocked. Knowing Samsung, it would fix something that cannot be rolled back once applied.
Edit 2: Just did a twrp nandroid backup, just in case. I don't know if the update does anything to hardware yet, but I have the software side backed up.
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What rom are you running? What baseband? Yesterday just for kicks, I unrooted my note 3 and went to Samsung firmware got a copy of NC5, which was dated 3/31/2014. After install, I tried to get firmware updates. it came back device was up to date. Have not heard of any OTA's. Try and get a screenshot.
It's a security certificate update I believe. I accepted it and my phone is fine
Stock rooted nc5
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Stock rooted nc5
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Don't know what its for, it appears to be a security certificate update. I also excepted the update, it didn't have any adverse effect on my note 3. Still rooted, working great !!!
I just received an extended refurbished warranty replacement for a dead VZW Galaxy S4 SCH-I545 NC5. My old model was rooted, safestrapped, custom rommed, and had ota apps disabled. This new phone is also an NC5 (build date before June, so no problem rooting with TowelRoot). However, when I activated it and rooted it, the upgrade for NG6 was downloaded but not installed. I've rooted the phone and frozen the OTA apps, but I get an annoying popup every few minutes asking if I want to install the new upgrade now or later (clicking later produces a clock to set the time for an automatic upgrade). There is no option for not upgrading. I DON'T want the NG6 build, but the constant popup, which I have to clear with the Back key each time is a roaring PITA.
Anybody know how to disable the popup? The upgrade is already downloaded and I'd like to delete this as well as it is no doubt taking up #*%@^ unnecessary storage, but haven't found the right directory yet.
Any help will be appreciated.
Yout best bet would probably be to do a full wipe, such as an Odin, and restore the phone that way, then immediately root and freeze OTA updates before the phone has the chance to downloaf them.
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I just received an extended refurbished warranty replacement for a dead VZW Galaxy S4 SCH-I545 NC5. My old model was rooted, safestrapped, custom rommed, and had ota apps disabled. This new phone is also an NC5 (build date before June, so no problem rooting with TowelRoot). However, when I activated it and rooted it, the upgrade for NG6 was downloaded but not installed. I've rooted the phone and frozen the OTA apps, but I get an annoying popup every few minutes asking if I want to install the new upgrade now or later (clicking later produces a clock to set the time for an automatic upgrade). There is no option for not upgrading. I DON'T want the NG6 build, but the constant popup, which I have to clear with the Back key each time is a roaring PITA.
Anybody know how to disable the popup? The upgrade is already downloaded and I'd like to delete this as well as it is no doubt taking up #*%@^ unnecessary storage, but haven't found the right directory yet.
Any help will be appreciated.
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Try this,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856632
you'll still get the pop up so go ahead and hit update, it wont be able to find the update so it will bomb out, and not bother you again.
Thanks - worked for a while - then popup returned
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Try this,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856632
you'll still get the pop up so go ahead and hit update, it wont be able to find the update so it will bomb out, and not bother you again.
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I did try that. The popup went away for several days and then came back. There must be at least one root-level app I haven't disabled.
Thanks for the help, but I'm afraid I still need a bit more.
Still having popups...
socal87 said:
Yout best bet would probably be to do a full wipe, such as an Odin, and restore the phone that way, then immediately root and freeze OTA updates before the phone has the chance to downloaf them.
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When I first got the phone, I disabled OTA, I ran the update - which failed, of course. It got rid of the popup, but I did not wipe the phone as I am a longtime Motorola Droid user and am not totally comfortable using Odin (This is my first Samsung and it's like going from Droid expert to Odin newbie). I have since restored nandroid and Titanium backups from the previous phone (this is a warranty refurb). The backups also included disabled OTA apps from my previous S4. Apparently, I missed one somewhere, as the behavior just recently returned. I'm going fishing on the root level again [sigh].
If anybody would be so kind as to list the exact .apks and their directories involved in OTA, I can make sure they are still disabled and run another failed update. This may be different from my Droids, since it is being referred to as a Samsung build update, and not an Android version update.
If anybody knows where the downloaded update is hiding, I can remove that as well.
Thanks in advance.
Im pretty sure the app u need to freeze is listed as SDM.. That should stop the update and popup.
Thanks also.
fxwrangler said:
Im pretty sure the app u need to freeze is listed as SDM.. That should stop the update and popup.
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I always rename SDM.apk and FWUpgrade.apk, but, with Samsung (with the OTA already pushed, but not installed), I had to jump through several other hoops. To see what else you can do to solve the problem, check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1856632
i just made a post about the same problem. I renamed them. so we will see what happens
To delete the OTA zip use a file explorer with root privileges like "ES File Explorer" navigate to /data/fota and delete update.zip
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I always rename SDM.apk and FWUpgrade.apk, but, with Samsung (with the OTA already pushed, but not installed), I had to jump through several other hoops. To see what else you can do to solve the problem, check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1856632
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That link is dead. Can you please direct me to a good link for that? Thank you
re-rooting after MJ7 kernal pushed by google?
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That link is dead. Can you please direct me to a good link for that? Thank you
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Well - renaming SDM.apk and FWUpgrade.akp stopped the totally annoying push notification for google's new MJ7 build for the S4. But by renaming SDM.apk, my Verizon app visual voice mail stopped working. When I returned the SDM.apk file to it's original name, the visual voice mail works, but I get the annoying notification from google over and over.
I'm trying YouMail app for visual software and am waiting to hear from them about whether their app uses SDM.apk. If YouMail is like Verizon's visual voice mail and uses SDM.apk, then my next thought is to unroot the phone, let Google do their update to MJ7, then re-root. I'm wondering if anyone has done this.
My phone came with NG6. To root, I had to flash the NG5 stock kernal, then root using towelroot. Once rooted, I flashed the NG6 kernal. If I unroot and let google flash their new MJ7 kernal, will I be able to repeat the root process (flash NG5, the root, then flash MJ7)? If that route were possible, would I need to find a separate place to download the MJ7?
Is there any other way to stop google's annoying notificaton and pushing MJ7 at me? All help greatly appreciated.
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Try this,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856632
you'll still get the pop up so go ahead and hit update, it wont be able to find the update so it will bomb out, and not bother you again.
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My apology. I missed this link first time thru this thread. That link to a thread titled "[HOW TO] Disable OTA Update Notifications!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is pretty helpful. We'll see in a day or two if the notification and push attempt continues, but I'm pretty optimistic following the instructions in that thread will stop it.