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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
cvchetan said:
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
McKebapp said:
Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
cvchetan said:
wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.
I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.
well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..
Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing
we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're
FRiKiNFRoG said:
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
cvchetan said:
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.
well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply
Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.
You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.
Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
yes, there are kang version of cm9 in this forum so you can test drive ice cream sandwich
WebbyHRT said:
Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
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WebbyHRT said:
Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
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Go ask the cyanogenmod forums. I'm sure they'll be happy to give you an ETA.
Ignore that ^
Yes. Likely the Tab will get the first CM9 stable release.
Lol. I might be a bit of a noob when it comes to the development side of things, but I know better than to ask for an ETA.
Looking forward to the stable build of CM9.
Sent from my LT15i using xda premium
@slack04: Why do you always have to post stuff like what you've written above? I can understand that threads/posts that ask for easily obtainable information or simply troll around (not saying this thread is trolling, but a simple search would provide the necessary information) get on your nerves, but do posts like that really help anything? Instead of witty and sarcastic remarks, you could try leading by example. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've read a lot of posts by you which were written in a similar manner and I can't see how it helps anyone ...
@OP: As others have already answered, our device will get full CM9 support, it has been said a few times that the official alpha isn't out yet due to some non-technical problems (so I'm guessing they're legal ones). And, as it was also said before, you can try out the daily kangs in the development section to get a feel of where CM9 is right now.
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@slack04: Why do you always have to post stuff like what you've written above? I can understand that threads/posts that ask for easily obtainable information or simply troll around (not saying this thread is trolling, but a simple search would provide the necessary information) get on your nerves, but do posts like that really help anything? Instead of witty and sarcastic remarks, you could try leading by example. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've read a lot of posts by you which were written in a similar manner and I can't see how it helps anyone ....
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Well, I'll try to answer, but I'm probably wasting my breath (ok, my carpal tunnels).
This forum is essentially unmoderated. Stay with me, it will make sense in a moment. The mod occasionally rolls through and deletes a post or two and hands out a warning, but other than that he's left this forum to the dogs, which means that useless threads never get deleted or merged and trolls rarely get bumped. (OK, he moves questions to the Q+A forum, which is good--but thoroughly insufficient). As a result, it's impossible for anyone to browse to find any useful information because it gets buried under new threads asking the same 10 questions over and over (6 of which are truly useful questions that all new users need to know; the next 3 could be answered by reading the sticky in the dev thread, and the last 1 is a thinly disguised complaint about "lagginess"). Search is also ineffective for the same reason: there's thousands of useless threads with equally useless titles (this one is a good example...) that ask or say the same thing. As an archive of information for users of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which is what a good forum should end up being), this place is useless. So, while I might agree with you in a well-maintained forum where useless threads were regularly purged, here everything gets lost--useless threads with useless titles prevail. Which brings me to my point:
I thought I was leading by example. Follow along with me: we can stop the useless thread train by 1) not providing answers to easily searched questions) and 2) gently reminding users (many of whom are repeat offenders) that search engines are useful tools of the twenty-first century. If all the users did this (and the moderator became an active participant in the community), new (or lazy) users would eventually learn to search before creating new threads and title their threads in such a way as to make them useful to others. If users (and moderators) treated the forums as a reference archive, this place would blossom into a library of useful threads, new and old. Users would add to existing threads rather than creating new ones, and repetitive or troll threads would be deleted or merged. Forward-thinking users would update OPs with suggestions from the thread that worked, saving those of us that actually do use the search function the pain of slogging through deceptively-titled threads. Useful, positive threads would stay at the top instead of getting buried under mounds of comparisons to ipad threads; browsing the forum would be helpful and fun again. Unicorns would dance with leprechauns and Santa Claus would bring world peace. 12-year-old forum users would learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and would type out all four to six characters instead of using the idiot identifier: "ur." Crazy, I know.
Yikes! Um, what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cyanogen+galaxy+tab+10.1
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Well, I'll try to answer, but I'm probably wasting my breath (ok, my carpal tunnels).
This forum is essentially unmoderated. Stay with me, it will make sense in a moment. The mod occasionally rolls through and deletes a post or two and hands out a warning, but other than that he's left this forum to the dogs, which means that useless threads never get deleted or merged and trolls rarely get bumped. (OK, he moves questions to the Q+A forum, which is good--but thoroughly insufficient). As a result, it's impossible for anyone to browse to find any useful information because it gets buried under new threads asking the same 10 questions over and over (6 of which are truly useful questions that all new users need to know; the next 3 could be answered by reading the sticky in the dev thread, and the last 1 is a thinly disguised complaint about "lagginess"). Search is also ineffective for the same reason: there's thousands of useless threads with equally useless titles (this one is a good example...) that ask or say the same thing. As an archive of information for users of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which is what a good forum should end up being), this place is useless. So, while I might agree with you in a well-maintained forum where useless threads were regularly purged, here everything gets lost--useless threads with useless titles prevail. Which brings me to my point:
I thought I was leading by example. Follow along with me: we can stop the useless thread train by 1) not providing answers to easily searched questions) and 2) gently reminding users (many of whom are repeat offenders) that search engines are useful tools of the twenty-first century. If all the users did this (and the moderator became an active participant in the community), new (or lazy) users would eventually learn to search before creating new threads and title their threads in such a way as to make them useful to others. If users (and moderators) treated the forums as a reference archive, this place would blossom into a library of useful threads, new and old. Users would add to existing threads rather than creating new ones, and repetitive or troll threads would be deleted or merged. Forward-thinking users would update OPs with suggestions from the thread that worked, saving those of us that actually do use the search function the pain of slogging through deceptively-titled threads. Useful, positive threads would stay at the top instead of getting buried under mounds of comparisons to ipad threads; browsing the forum would be helpful and fun again. Unicorns would dance with leprechauns and Santa Claus would bring world peace. 12-year-old forum users would learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and would type out all four to six characters instead of using the idiot identifier: "ur." Crazy, I know.
Yikes! Um, what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cyanogen+galaxy+tab+10.1
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Alrighty, a good and logical (in it's own way) explanation - I can respect that. I also wish for some heavier moderation on the forums (even though we hijacked this one too, which isn't exactly nice and doesn't really support good ... erm ... forumship), and I agree with most of what you've stated above. Well, I'm probably more "forgiving" about syntax and semantic mistakes, since I know it can often be hard for us non-native speakers to speak and write perfect English (especially if we come from a non Germanic languages), and many people try their best but still get some words wrong. And the way I see it, how they write is their choice - some people want to dress nice, some people want to smell nice and some people want to make sure they speak and write nice. If it really gets on my nerves so much, I can just skip over those parts, it's not my position to judge that. I try to write correctly and make sure my thoughts actually come across and aren't lost (for the lack of better term) in translation (be it translation from my language to the one I'm writing in or simply translation of thoughts into words) but I know I sometimes fail miserably .
And who knows, maybe your post will even "wake up" the moderators to make a stronger appearance and it will change the forums for the better. I don't believe unicorns would ever dance with leprechauns though
This section of XDA has some of the strictest mods in my opinion. You are not a mod, do not act like one. Sometimes better to just not post.
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Alrighty, a good and logical (in it's own way) explanation - I can respect that. I also wish for some heavier moderation on the forums (even though we hijacked this one too, which isn't exactly nice and doesn't really support good ... erm ... forumship), and I agree with most of what you've stated above. Well, I'm probably more "forgiving" about syntax and semantic mistakes, since I know it can often be hard for us non-native speakers to speak and write perfect English (especially if we come from a non Germanic languages), and many people try their best but still get some words wrong. And the way I see it, how they write is their choice - some people want to dress nice, some people want to smell nice and some people want to make sure they speak and write nice. If it really gets on my nerves so much, I can just skip over those parts, it's not my position to judge that. I try to write correctly and make sure my thoughts actually come across and aren't lost (for the lack of better term) in translation (be it translation from my language to the one I'm writing in or simply translation of thoughts into words) but I know I sometimes fail miserably .
And who knows, maybe your post will even "wake up" the moderators to make a stronger appearance and it will change the forums for the better. I don't believe unicorns would ever dance with leprechauns though
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I'm glad we could find a middle ground. Just to be clear, though: I never mentioned -- nor even alluded to -- non-english speakers as a cause of problems. In fact I'm pretty sure the blame lies far more on english speakers and their (parents') weak education ethic.... But that's for some other forum (that I wouldn't be caught dead on).
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This section of XDA has some of the strictest mods in my opinion. You are not a mod, do not act like one. Sometimes better to just not post.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=irony
So, over the course of the last few weeks, Red and myself have been noticing a large increase in posts that are either duplicates, in the wrong section, or even have nothing to do with the phone all together. Because of this, i think it is a good time to remind users of XDA's community rules, and some specifics about posting on this board...
1) Like every other board, this forum follows XDA guidelines (In case people forgot, they are at the bottom) This means, when posting here (or anywhere else), you should be:
- Polite to other users
- Not using profane language
- Searching before making a new post
- ect... (read the rules!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
2) Search search search!
This has been popping up lately, and it is a little distressing. Before posting anywhere, users need to search before making a post.. odds are, your problem/question isn't new, and has been asked before. If there is already a thread, post in that already, and keep all knowledge/discussion in the same place (this helps future searches as well). If you are unhappy with XDA's built in search feature, Google is a great way to go; simply put in your search term, followed by "site:http://forum.xda-developers.com". This will tell google to search only XDA, and show your relevant results. If neither search yields anything, then you are ok to post.
3) Development board posting... This seems to be a real problem, so i am going to try to spell it out simply. The development board should ONLY have new topics containing:
- A new or updated rom release
- A new or updated kernel release
- A new or updated phone specific software feature or patch (improved touchscreen driver, improved wifi driver, etc).
- Information about hardware level phone specifics (not questions, but actual research about the hardware; such as overclocking or unlocking hidden features).
Posts in active topics need to be kept on topic as well. If you appreciate a devs work, it is ok to say so, but any further (general) discussion should be taken to a new thread in the general board. This includes things like benchmarks, themes, or tweaks. Only dev specific comments should be made in the dev thread (bug reports, feature feedback, install proceedures, etc).
With that said, and i hate to do this, we have to start cracking down on controlling the out of controll posts. I do not want to be the bad guy, but I think people are getting the feeling that they can do whatever they wish, to the detrmement of the community.. and that has to stop. Up unitl now, i have been letting alot of things slide, but consider this fair warning.. users who post without searching (if another user is able to link you to a thread with the same topic, you obviously didn't serach), or post in the wrong board, will be subject to warnings or infractions (depending on the severity and number of occurrences).
Users who flame, will be guaranteed an infraction. Believe me, i FULLY understand the frustration that many users have with what has been going on; I hate it as much as you do. But this goes for al users; following the stupidity of one user, does not mean you can too. From here on out, EVERY party involved in flaming will be held to the same accountability... If a user flames somebody, please... bite your tongue, and report it. Let us mods clean up the mess; arguging with the users only further derails threads.
As always, Myself and Red are here to help the community. If you have questions, TALK TO US. Ask us.. we really aren't bad people... we promise!
Along with Divine_Madcat's awesome announcement, I just wanted to further drive the point that we want this place to flourish with activity, but the right kind of activity. Developers developing for themselves and the public. Asking if anyone is having problems or features that they would like o have added. Members being able to read up on their device and learn how to tweak it to run they way that they want... not having to dig through countless threads and posts of mundane and repetitious whining.
To do this, we all have to work together, Mod > Developer > Senior Member > and yes, even the n00bs. The time it takes to write out a hateful message to somebody could have used the same amount of time and energy to help the member out or point them in the right direction. We all would like to see a more forceful way to make new members search and read before posting (which is in the works) but until that is put in play, we all can be a little more helpful... and when there is just too much clutter, thats where we step in and clean up the mess.
Again, thanks goes out to all of you for making XDA what it is. Lets not loose that.
So, over the course of the last few weeks, Red and myself have been noticing a large increase in posts that are either duplicates, in the wrong section, or even have nothing to do with the phone all together. Because of this, i think it is a good time to remind users of XDA's community rules, and some specifics about posting on this board...
1) Like every other board, this forum follows XDA guidelines (In case people forgot, they are at the bottom) This means, when posting here (or anywhere else), you should be:
- Polite to other users
- Not using profane language
- Searching before making a new post
- ect... (read the rules!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
2) Search search search!
This has been popping up lately, and it is a little distressing. Before posting anywhere, users need to search before making a post.. odds are, your problem/question isn't new, and has been asked before. If there is already a thread, post in that already, and keep all knowledge/discussion in the same place (this helps future searches as well). If you are unhappy with XDA's built in search feature, Google is a great way to go; simply put in your search term, followed by "site:http://forum.xda-developers.com". This will tell google to search only XDA, and show your relevant results. If neither search yields anything, then you are ok to post.
3) Development board posting... This seems to be a real problem, so i am going to try to spell it out simply. The development board should ONLY have new topics containing:
- A new or updated rom release
- A new or updated kernel release
- A new or updated phone specific software feature or patch (improved touchscreen driver, improved wifi driver, etc).
- Information about hardware level phone specifics (not questions, but actual research about the hardware; such as overclocking or unlocking hidden features).
Posts in active topics need to be kept on topic as well. If you appreciate a devs work, it is ok to say so, but any further (general) discussion should be taken to a new thread in the general board. This includes things like benchmarks, themes, or tweaks. Only dev specific comments should be made in the dev thread (bug reports, feature feedback, install proceedures, etc).
With that said, and i hate to do this, we have to start cracking down on controlling the out of controll posts. I do not want to be the bad guy, but I think people are getting the feeling that they can do whatever they wish, to the detrmement of the community.. and that has to stop. Up unitl now, i have been letting alot of things slide, but consider this fair warning.. users who post without searching (if another user is able to link you to a thread with the same topic, you obviously didn't serach), or post in the wrong board, will be subject to warnings or infractions (depending on the severity and number of occurrences).
Users who flame, will be guaranteed an infraction. Believe me, i FULLY understand the frustration that many users have with what has been going on; I hate it as much as you do. But this goes for al users; following the stupidity of one user, does not mean you can too. From here on out, EVERY party involved in flaming will be held to the same accountability... If a user flames somebody, please... bite your tongue, and report it. Let us mods clean up the mess; arguging with the users only further derails threads.
As always, Myself and Red are here to help the community. If you have questions, TALK TO US. Ask us.. we really aren't bad people... we promise!
Along with Divine_Madcat's awesome announcement, I just wanted to further drive the point that we want this place to flourish with activity, but the right kind of activity. Developers developing for themselves and the public. Asking if anyone is having problems or features that they would like o have added. Members being able to read up on their device and learn how to tweak it to run they way that they want... not having to dig through countless threads and posts of mundane and repetitious whining.
To do this, we all have to work together, Mod > Developer > Senior Member > and yes, even the n00bs. The time it takes to write out a hateful message to somebody could have used the same amount of time and energy to help the member out or point them in the right direction. We all would like to see a more forceful way to make new members search and read before posting (which is in the works) but until that is put in play, we all can be a little more helpful... and when there is just too much clutter, thats where we step in and clean up the mess.
Again, thanks goes out to all of you for making XDA what it is. Lets not loose that.
Hey guys and girls, I've created this thread as a means to help out new members of our corner of the community, or XDA as a whole.
I've posted this in the hopes that it'll make a new users journey here begin nice and smoothly. Once you read this thread, you'll know the basics of how things run around this site, where to make sure you post in the correct section and how to avoid the people who will try to troll and flame you.
My aim is that after reading this, you'll have gained an advantage by reading and understanding this guide.
However, this guide isn't only for the new members of this sub-forum. This is for anyone who reads this, whether you're a new member, a senior member, a recognized contributor etc, as a lot of the "veteran" members seem to have lost their way, as of late. I hope that this will help transform you from a noob into a new user and that you'll give back to this community even part of the mass that you learn.
One thing you should remind yourself is that we were all noobs at some point. Maybe some weren't when they started XDA, but I guarantee you that they were at one point. But just because you're a noob on XDA, there's still no excuse for not following the Forum Rules.
The most important thing you'll need to do to get along well around here, is to search. If you have any kind of problem, first of all you should search. If you can't find anything, then you should try using different keywords to help you find your answer. If you find a similar thread then you can post your question in there instead. If however, your question hasn't been asked before and there's nothing around which is similar then you can post your question, but make sure you post it in the Q&A forum. QUESTIONS DO NOT BELONG IN GENERAL OR THE DEVELOPMENT FORUMS
Before diving right in, let me overview the rules set by xda:
*Search Before Posting, Behave In A Nice And Friendly Manner, Make Sure You Make Your Titles And Threads Clear To Other Users, Use The English Language, Post A Message Only Once (Do Not Multi-Post), Do Not Post Warez(I'll explain what this means later) , Do Not Spam (again, more explanation to come regarding this) , No Requests For Donations (If People Want To Donate, They Will), Do Not Use Copyrighted Materials Or Anything That Does NOT Belong To You, Be Helpful To Others, Using The Work Of Others MUST Be Approved, Do NOT Create More Than One User Account, and Keep On Topic In Threads And With Your Posts.
For a full list and explanation of the rules of this site, please view the FORUM RULES.
---Getting Started (With The Basics)---
I figure that if you're reading this, you're already a registered member and have read the Forum Rules above. Below I'm going to recap the most important rules briefly, so they will be imprinted into your mind a bit more.
1) Search, Read, Post
As I've already mentioned in this thread and as you'll hear a lot of times, searching and reading before you post is the most important thing you need to do around here. The first thing you should be reading when in this forum is the stickied threads. Those threads have been stuck to the top of the forum because they contain the must have information you'll need to learn everything you need to. Don't get mistaken and think that those threads are there for no reason. That's not the case. If you read them, should you have any of problems you'll be able to easily know how to solve it. Searching before you post is just as important as reading because if you search for your answer then you probably won't even need to post your question. This will save you time and save others time from needing to help you Even if there's not a thread for your problem, if there's a thread which is similar then post in there instead. Doing so will help to keep our forum as clean and tidy as possible, meaning it's easier for all of us to find the answers we need.
Of course, we are all here to help each other out but if you haven't tried to help yourself then why would others waste their time trying to help you? So do the searching and reading as mentioned, once you've done that you'll know exactly where to post to get the best answer for your problem.
2) Posting Protocol:
Over your time on XDA you'll either find yourself lurking (not posting a lot), or you'll find yourself making the most out of this site and posting quite a lot. However, you shouldn't be posting a load of rubbish simply to get your post count up. This is especially true for new members who have less than 10 posts and want to post in a development thread. Please take note of the Post count limit in developmental fora and remember that if you need something posted in a development thread then you can make use of the following thread -I Will Post Your Question In A Dev Thread IF.... That thread will allow you to get your question posted without getting in trouble for spamming.
Another must have when posting is to give as much information as possible. If, for example, your device has started rebooting itself randomly and you decide to ask why it's happening, you need to give all information possible. This means you should include what device you have, which ROM you are using, which kernel you are using, what you did just before the problem occurred, what you have done to try and fix it etc... The more information you can give, the better help others will be able to provide you with.
3) Don't BUMP Your Posts
Whenever you make a post on this site, whether it's a question, a general post or even a response to someone else, don't be impatient. You need to give people time to think about what you've posted and then respond to it. Also remember that the person may not be in the same part of the world as you, so just because it's morning for you it could be nighttime for someone else. Don't be in such a hurry that you BUMP (Bring Up My Post) your own post in an attempt to get a quicker response. Doing that can make people feel less inclined to help you because they feel forced and pressured into doing so. People will respond to you, you just need to give it time. The quickest way for you to know that someone has responded to you is to subscribe to the thread. This way, you'll receive an email notification as soon as someone replies.
4) Showing Appreciation Via The Thanks Button:
There's one feature of XDA which you'll all be aware of. That is indeed the Thanks button/meter. This was implemented into XDA a while back in an attempt to cut down on users making posts simply saying "Thanks". Also, if a post has thanks on it, you know it has been a useful post for others and you may be able to get some use from it aswell. Please be sure to utilize this feature. If you ask a question and somebody gives you the correct answer, click the thanks button on their post. Even if somebody doesn't have the right answer but has been trying to help you solve your problem, give them a thank because they've used there own time to help you when they could've just ignored your post. As you'll be able to see, underneath everyone's avatar is the Thanks meter. This allows you to see at a glance that this user has been really helpful with there answers. It's by no means a perfect system as some users (myself included) will use the button if I find a post funny or if I agree with someone's post. Because of that, it doesn't always indicate a users status or stature on XDA. It's a potentially wildly inaccurate measure of a members ability to answer your question correctly.
It is always best to hit that button though because it's good to feel appreciated. If you feel the need to actually post "Thank you" then follow it up with a click of that button aswell. Once you start helping out others by answering their questions and you receive a Thank from it, it may make you feel that your work/effort is truly being appreciated and that your time is being valued.
In order to be able to give another user Thanks, you must have one post. The best place to gain your first post is by using The "Say Hi" Thread and introducing yourself to XDA. You're limited to give 8 thanks per day and if you're using them right, you should use them all everyday.
Below is a breakdown of how many thanks you need to have for the bar on the Thanks Meter to increase.
Getting Thanks: You will see that everyone here has a "Thanks Meter" above their avatar. Here are the thanks counts needed to get to the next bar:
1st bar - 26
2nd bar - 51
3rd bar - 101
4th bar - 201
5th bar - 501 (There's a a bug here, never gets to 5 bars)
6th bar - 1001
7th bar - 2001
8th bar - 5001
9th bar - 8001
Maxed! - 10000
5) Trolls And Flamers:
Trolls and flamers are a part of this community, whether we like it or not. I'll briefly explain them below in case you aren't aware of what I mean.
Trolls - Trolls are basically members who will attempt to make "fun" of you or something you post. But it's only a bit of fun. It's not meant to be serious and is not meant to be aggressive or upset you in any way. If someone tries to 'troll' you when you make a post and you don't like it, then be sure you don't respond to them. Leave them to it and they'll go elsewhere.
Flamers - Flamers are essentially more extreme trolls. They will make fun out of you but will take it too far and attack you. If you asked a question, which they felt was dumb, then they will have a go at you for being "so stupid" and "being a noob".
While some of you may have a sense of humour, others won't so you need to be careful about what you post. As posted above, the best option is generally to ignore any posts of that kind, as they can escalate quickly and you could find yourself getting in trouble aswell for responding in such a manner. If, however, you feel you can't ignore what's being said or you feel that someone has been overly aggressive and attacking, you can report the post to any of our moderators and they will look into it and take the appropriate action.
6) Warning About The Warez:
As you'll know by looking at the name of this site - xda-developers - you'll know that this site was primarily based around developers of modifications, apps, ROMs etc. That means that this site is based around their work and contributions, which they have spent a lot of time and work in making and may require that a payment be made for their work. That being said, it's against the rules to post anything which avoids paying for the software. There's zero tolerance in regards to people posting such things or even asking about it. Out of all of the rules, this is definitely the most important and you will probably be infracted or banned if you post about it anywhere on this site.
If you keep stealing a developers work then the developer is not making money from it which could mean that they can't keep releasing more work. This then affects all of us just because you were too selfish to pay for it.
7) Admission To The Development Section:
A load of new users seem to want to jump in head first and want access to post in the development section. The reality is, YOU CAN'T! This isn't to try and make you feel inferior to anyone else or to stop new users coming to this site. The reason is to stop a hell of a lot of spam and to stop people simply posting "Thanks" and thus making the development threads look like a mess. We want all parts of XDA to look as nice and tidy as possible so the same goes for the development sections. You will need to make 10 constructive posts before you're allowed access to the development fora. If you're unsure of how to get to 10 posts properly, then you should try helping out some people who have questions or queries in your devices forum and you'll soon find that your posts will climb quickly. If it is extremely urgent that you post in a development thread but don't have time to get to 10 posts, then you can either use the following thread - I Will Post Your Question In The Dev Thread IF... - or you can PM the developer and explain the problem to them. *NOTE* Only PM one of the developers if you've looked all through the thread and what you're reporting hasn't been mentioned before Here's a summarization of the 10 post rule by Fallen Spartan: "The 10 post rule was put in place to make new users think, and hopefully contribute and help others by making useful posts rather than the usual crap like "thanks", "kewl" etc or ask questions which have been asked countless times before. They still have access to dev forums, just cannot post in them. Its not a massive restriction and to provide 10 useful/helpful posts is not hard."
8) User Title's Explained:
You'll see that every member has a "title" under their avatar. If you've seen these and wondered how to get them, then read the following passage from juzz86: "I'll sum it up for you (or try, anyway!) There are Junior Members, Members, Senior Members first. These make up the vast majority of XDAs userbase. Recognised Contributors are nominated by other users and/or Mods/Developers. They are recognised for their contributions which are not specifically Development, such as detailed guides, one-click utilities and other tools/mods. Recognised Themers are also nominated by users/Mods/Developers, for their work themeing custom ROMs and providing standalone themes for flashing. Recognised Developers are nominated and approved by the Developer Committee, for their work in Development whether it be ROMs, Root methods, bootloader unlocks etc. Elite Recognised Developers are again assessed by the Developer Committee, and are deemed to have gone above-and-beyond in providing knowledge/hacks/tools/apps/ROMs for the XDA community. Forum Moderators are appointed by the Moderator Committee, after submitting an application (see the 'sticky' at the top of this forum - currently applications are not open). They are the first-line of keeping the forums tidy, friendly and orderly. Senior Moderators are the next step up the ladder, providing site-wide support for Forum Mods and looking after the nitty-gritty issues, as well as areas of XDA not policed by FSMs, such as the Marketplace. Administrators are next. There are several Admins - each look after a specific part of XDA such as the Portal, the Members and the User Experience of XDA as a whole. At the top is Mike Channon, who is overall Forum Administrator. Other titles you may come across:
Moderator Committee - sits on the Mod Committee Developer Committee - as above, but for Developer Committee XDA News writer - publishes articles for the Portal (front page) Retired xxxx - have since officially 'left' their XDA position
Hopefully that clears most of them up for you. Contrary to what a lot of people expect, the thanks-meter does not figure at all in determining a users tag."
0 to 29 posts - Member
30 to 99 posts - Junior Member
100 + posts - Senior Member
9) Helpful Links:
Forum Rules
Postcount limit in developmental fora
Guide To Getting A Moderators Help
XDA New User Guide
Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries& Guides
[SOLA]Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries & Guides
[ACRO S] Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries & Guides
[GO]Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries & Guides
Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries & Guides
[P]Index of ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries & Guides
CREDITS: Apex_Strider for the permission to base this in his thread.
E.Cadro for letting me post this thread here.
---Welcome To The 2012 Xperia Community---
Well I'm glad we've got all of that covered I'll bet you are aswell
Now I'll take this moment to welcome you to our community, so welcome Come and join us and help us make this forum as good as it can be.
If you've paid attention to what's been said in this thread and actually apply it to your time here, you'll never be a noob. Instead, what you'll be is a New User (which sounds much nicer).
With all the knowledge you gain from around XDA, you'll definitely be able to help other people out and feel the satisfaction when you have been able to help someone finally solve their problem.
This is how you can give back to the community. I urge you all to stick around and have fun, learn a hell of a lot and get to know people.
I look forward to speaking/interacting with you all
Should you have any problems, questions, concerns or just fancy a chat feel free to Private Message me at any point and I'll be glad to help you out
Time To Let You Know Who The Standout Members Of Our Community Are!
I'll be listing our Forum Specific Moderators, Developers, Recognized Contributors and the most helpful members across this forum.
Xperia Moderators:
'cooleagle'
E.Cadro
Xperia Developers:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
Xperia Recognized Contributors:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
Xperia Most Helpful Members:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
And, just in case, here in the video of the rules of xda developers site. Doesn't hurt to watch it more than the obligatory first time for your registration process. Enjoy xda, and I welcome you to our community!
I hope this guide helps you make your experience on XDA a better one. I'll be glad if you click the Thanks button, instead of saying Thanks, but I'll be even more glad if you take this guide to heart and actually follow what it says. Doing so will help make your time here easier and more comfortable for everyone involved.
Thank you for reading, and happy forum'ing! :good:
Around these forums you're likely to hear some terminology or lingo which you're not familiar with. Check out this list of Android Terms, Slang & Definitions by Diablo67.
I'm going to post some of the more relevant definitions below, but if you see a term you're not sure about but it's not in this thread then check out the above thread by Diablo67.
So here we go…
ADK: Android Development Kit, What people use to develop anything for the droid such as ROM's
AOSP: Short for Android Open Source Project, and when the term is used in ROM descriptions, it usually indicates that the ROM in question is based on the Android source code provided by Google itself, and not on some other ROM project or a company’s firmware.
Baseband: In communications and signal processing, the baseband describes signals and systems whose range of the frequencies measured from close to 0 hertz to a cut-off frequency, a maximum bandwidth or highest signal frequency; it is sometimes used to describe frequencies starting close to zero
Boot Loader: Executes code before any operating system is launched. On Android devices, the bootloader is usually locked because manufacturers want you to use the version of Android they’ve provided. With a locked bootloader on Android phones, custom ROMs cannot be flashed.
Boot Loop: simply means something is preventing the phone from completing it's boot cycle and is stuck between the boot animation and the unlock screen, creating a looped animation. This is often fixed by either reloading a Nandroid, or Reflashing a rom from the Boot Loader.
Brick or Bricked: Jargon for a completely unrecoverable device, (no more than a brick or paperweight).
Bug or Software Bug: an Error or flaw in software that produces a failure or unexpected/unwanted result. Typically created from incorrect code, this is why some ROMs are better and smoother running than others because certain developers have taken the time to input "perfect" code
ClockworkMod or CWM: A recovery program that is often used to apply updates, ROMs, or create a back up or restore a backup file
Dalvik: is the cryptic name of the virtual machine (VM) in Android, and it’s the basis for running apps (with the .apk filename extension) on the platform. Before Android apps are launched, they’re converted into the compact Dalvik Executable (.dex) format, which is designed to be suitable for systems that are constrained in terms of memory and processor speed. Dalvik was originally written by Dan Bornstein, who named it after the fishing village of Dalvík in Eyjafjörður, Iceland, where some of his ancestors lived.
Dalvik Cache: Simply put it is the cache used by Dalvik, and it’s the result of Dalvik doing optimizations of running apps. Some Android ROMs allow you to move the Dalvik cache to your SD card, in order to free up internal storage.
De-odex: Apk files have respective odexes that devs use to supposedly save space. Deodexing means you convert it back to a .dex file and put it back inside the apk. This allows you to easily replace files (not having to worry about odexes), but the main point was to deodex services.jar so that you can change all text to different colors (such as the clock color to white) and to deodex services.jar, you need to deodex everything.
What the heck does it mean, exactly? Well, it’s probably the hardest term to explain in this rooting dictionary...
When a ROM has been deodexed, it means that its apps have been prepared so they can be modified. Deodexed ROMs feature apps that have been repackaged in a certain way. Android applications (.apk's) contain .odex files that devs supposedly use to save space. These .odex files are extracted from the application packages and put in the /system/ folder on your phone, to speed up boot processes and to allow parts of applications to be preloaded.
However, this makes hacking and modifying those apps difficult because parts of the apps have been extracted to another location. Deodexing means that all pieces of an application package are put back together into one file, and it makes sure that a modified .apk won’t conflict with some separate odexed parts located somewhere else. Developers of custom ROMs choose to deodex their ROM packages, since it lets them modify various .APKs, and it also makes theming possible after the ROMs have been installed.
Dev. or Developer: An individual that creates, or alters a file in such a manner as to advance the program
Ext2/3/4: This refers to partitions on your SD card. They’re extended file systems for Linux that can be used by Android, usually in order to preserve internal storage space. Many custom Android ROMs require that you have an Ext2, Ext3 or Ext4 partition on your memory card. Ext2 is the oldest type of extended file system, and Ext4 is the newest.
Firmware: A phone’s firmware is basically its operating system. A “firmware update” means that the operating system, the software that controls the phone, is updated. “Stock firmware” means that the firmware is unmodified: it’s the version of the operating system the phone’s manufacturer delivers.
Flash or Flash Memory: To flash a custom ROM, or a firmware, simply means that you install it. So, flashing is the process of installing a new version of the Android operating system, or just parts of it, like such as the radio and/or kernel. Flashing new ROMs is done via the Recovery Mode, usually with ClockworkMod Recovery.
Kernel: Central component of most operating systems: it’s a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. Android kernels are often customized, optimized and modified for different purposes, such as over-clocking the processor or extending the battery life. Custom ROMs usually include a new kernel.
NanDroid or Nandroid Backup: Anyone with root access make a complete system backup. It lets you create a backup of every piece of information on your phone, and it can be restored later whenever you want. NANDroid backups are usually performed before flashing a new ROM, in case anything goes wrong with an update or when flashing, or if you want to return to your previous setup later. NANDroid backups are created from the Recovery Mode often found with CWM.
Odexed: See Deodexed
Radio: It’s the radio on your phone that handles communication, the radio that sends and receives voice and data. Flashing (installing) a new radio can improve your reception, and bring other benefits.
Root: Common word associated with giving a user "super user" access to their phones programming and other various aspects that would normaly not be possible, also known as "Jailbroken" for iPhones.
OS: Operating system, e.g. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
Overclocking: Speeding up the CPU past the factory presets to achieve a faster and more responsive device
ROM: Read Only Memory, a program used to make changes to anything from the look of the home screen, to icons to custom boot animation
SetCPU: This is a popular application for overclocking or underclocking your phone’s processor, making it faster or slower. It may require a special kernel in order to work.
Stock:Simply means an unaltered state, such as when you first purchase your phone from Verizon, or when you do a factory reset to "go back to stock."
SU or Superuser: When you root your Android phone, you will get superuser access. The superuser or root user is sort of a special user account for system administration.
Terminal or Terminal Emulator: An app that lets users access Android’s built-in Linux command line shell. It’s useful for programmers and for those with root access. There are some Roms that have built in theme and/or tools that are accessed from Terminal.
Theme: A set of icons, backgrounds and app trays that change the aesthetics of the overall look of the droid and its applications
Underclocking: Slowing down the CPU mainly to limit battery usage
.apk or APK's: An .apk file extension denotes an Android Package (APK) file, an .apk file can be opened and inspected using common archive tools
.tar: Similar to a zip file, a tar file archives multiple files into one file
Reserved.
I've now filled in a couple of the reserve slots and will leave it at that for now.
Please be sure to let me know if you have any queries, concerns or requests regarding this thread.
Thanks
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Bumping up
I've added links to an index of ROMs, kernels etc. for each device into the OP.
As always, if I've made any mistakes throughout this thread or you think there's something missing, please be sure to let me know
"My badboy megazord whip's got more features than iOS5"
This is a very good and informative thread. There should be something like this in every forum, but then it might become repetitive.
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might wanna change
OS: Operating system, I.E. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
to
OS: Operating system, eg. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
although grammatically vorrectt
theres bound to be someone thnking the I.E. is for internet explorer
-PiLoT- said:
might wanna change
OS: Operating system, I.E. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
to
OS: Operating system, eg. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
although grammatically vorrectt
theres bound to be someone thnking the I.E. is for internet explorer
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I hadn't thought about it that way.
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Read all the new terminologies
Where do I post a question, in the general section? ( sorry if I missed it in reading in post )
XPERIA U
Stock ICS 4.0.4
Rooted
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Read all the new terminologies
Where do I post a question, in the general section? ( sorry if I missed it in reading in post )
XPERIA U
Stock ICS 4.0.4
Rooted
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Questions go in the Q&A section. Hence the name Question & Answer
Must have noticed that
Thanx
Bumping up :thumbup:
KidCarter93 said:
Bumping up :thumbup:
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Now that was a nice introduction...:good:
im still at first one