So I got an Evo 3D GSM a few days ago and upon installing a custom ROM on it, the phone worked perfectly up until the first reboot. At which point it began to reboot frequently so I reverted back to stock and it was fine. I then tried another ROM though from the same developer and once again it was fine up until the first reboot and then again it became unstable.
At this point I know it could just be that I used 2 different Sense 3.5 ROMs from Shooter that's been causing the problem but unless that's a known issue which I couldn't seem to find, I'd rather not install another ROM just to test this out.
Basically I'm wondering if I could be doing something wrong, I installed it through ClockworkMod Recovery which never gave me problems on my Nexus One. Also if I'm going to test if it's just an issue with the ROMs, can anyone suggest a stable and relatively customizible ROM?
Are you doing a clean install, full wipe?
Also, are you loading apps and settings back into the phone from Titanium or the like?
Ya when I attempted to do it non-clean it was unstable off the bat. The last time I basically wiped everything. I have been using Titanium Backup to restore apps but I also used it on stock(I backed up from my Nexus originally) and it hasn't given me any problems there.
Try flashing the rom first again and this time don't use tb to restore data to apps. I've seen and read quite a few times that tb can cause all kind of weird problems when restoring data+apps. Try just restoring just the apps and see if the issue still remains.
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I went through the apps I don't need first and removed the backups, I never did restore data, just apps. MikRunny seems to be running stable so problem solved though I still don't know if it was ROM related or just an app screwing with it.
if you flashed a new ROM, it was probably the ROM since it is working now, seeing as how you didn't restore any of your data. logically, that sounds right to me.
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if you flashed a new ROM, it was probably the ROM since it is working now, seeing as how you didn't restore any of your data. logically, that sounds right to me.
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Well I had tried two different ROMs before and never restored Data, kinda strange but it appears to be fine now so I'm not complaining.
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Lately (since yesterday) I have been having a weird problem. Every time I restart my phone, it resets. By resetting I mean my it looks like a fresh install. All my apps are still there but launcherpro has the fresh install look and GAPPS is asking me to install stuff. I have also been getting a lot of FC's with these restarts. I have tried going back to a earlier NANDROID and it seems to do the same thing...going ever further back now to see if it still does it. Has anyone seen anything like this before?
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Lately (since yesterday) I have been having a weird problem. Every time I restart my phone, it resets. By resetting I mean my it looks like a fresh install. All my apps are still there but launcherpro has the fresh install look and GAPPS is asking me to install stuff. I have also been getting a lot of FC's with these restarts. I have tried going back to a earlier NANDROID and it seems to do the same thing...going ever further back now to see if it still does it. Has anyone seen anything like this before?
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You flash anything or change anything with a2sd etc, before this started happening?
It's not doing it on an older NANDROID (from 4/22).
I flashed Drowning 7-6 ad then noticed it. But since my last restart before that, I've installed a lot of stuff. I will try it for a while on this NANDROID and see if it does it again after updating my apps, too many changes to rebuild from here...
Basically what happened was I flashed the Kernel (7-6) and restarted, things were fine...but then (per Drownings advice) I restarted again, and then all hell broke loose. I recovered my last NANDROID but experienced the same thing with just a restart, so now I am on an earlier NANDROID and tried a restart and all went well..Like I said I will try to update my apps when I get home (damn ATT data caps) and see what happens then...
OK...several restarts after installing updates, and everything seems normal it's definitely got something to do with either drowning 7-5 or 7-6, or n75 and/or n76.
Right now with the NANDROID I am running n42 with drowning 7 with aufs enabled (as was with the newer ROMS)
I also run DT A2SD with apps and dalvic on SD.
I will try to upgrade to n76 and drowning 7-7 in a few and see how that works out...
n76 and Drowning 7-7 has been good so far...I think the problem is solved...there was definitely something wrong with my setup that was common to the later NANDROID...thank god I saved some NANDROIDS
Wasn't there some kind of known issue with 7.6? I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall that there was some reason why I didn't flash it at the time (aside from general laziness).
Did a fresh install of n76 with S2E and Drowning 7-7, all is running smooth again and I have restarted a dozen times with no issue. After flashing over top of ROM's for the last few months there was probably some trash getting in the way, so I decided to clean house.
I'm having probelms after flashing the supra ROM for the second time. It won't let me post on the thread so I don't know where else to post. It all worked perfect the first time, but now after installing about half my apps it won't install anymore because it says there's no room even though I have 603 MB free. Any idea on how to fix this? It worked fine the first time, I switched to another ROM and wanted to switch back, and then I wiped everything and then reinstalled. Tried twice but same problem. Any help would be appreciated.
Have you tried a full wipe before reinstalling?? If you think that you may want to go back to a rom you should do a nand backup before installing the new rom that way all you have to do is restore the nand.
Yeah I did a full wipe
This happened to me too, on the first install. I just flashed a different ROM
Did it work ok when you flashed it back to supra?
I flashed back to Chogardjr3D and it worked fine. I just tried SteelROM, and it did the same thing. I would love to find out why this is happening. Makes no sense to me
me neither
This was happening to me on every ROM I flashed. I think it has something to do with Google syncing back apps after a clean install. I disabled the Google backup and restore and now all seems to be fine. Again, not sure this is the exact problem. Could just be coincidence.
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Yeah I flashed a different rom and it worked fine
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This phone was an insurance replacement from ATT, so alway a bit wary of these refurbished phones.
So for the longest time it has always been a bit glitchy, hanging, and unstable. I assumed it was a software problem, and something i had done wrong when flashing...but now I am wondering if maybe my phone is a lemon. Lately it has been rebooting randomly on its own,
I wanted to try flashing back to stock, just to start from scratch, and I did with Da G's stock rom . Then i just rooted it with Da G's root, and put on CWR. Then I flashed King Kang Rom. It's been still real buggy. Maybe I need to to stock ICS or JB then flash a ROM? OR maybe it's just this phone....either way not real happy with the stability i've been dealing with.
If youve tried multiple roms and stock roms and its still buggy then its probably the phone, I have got so many replacement phones that were duds
Are you doing a wipe between all those roms or just flashing one over the other? That could be a major problem that is easily fixed.
Yes, i do full wipes/factory reset in CWM every time.
I know i have seen some guys say you must flash like 3 times, so maybe i'm not flashing it enough times or something..? i also saw someone say don't touch your phone for 15 minutes after flashing. i have no idea if these tricks actually work or what. doesn't seem to be a definitive rule book on how to flash the right way
How are you restoring your apps? TB or letting Play reinstall them?
using TB. I usually do a just apps reinstall, then data
Was the TB backup from a different version of android, i.e. GB, ICS then installed on JB?
yes, i did create it on an ICS rom. you think that could be causing me problems?
Good possibility. I had the same issue. Moved from CM9 to CM10 and restored through TB. Lots of FC and reboots. Wiped and let Play reinstall everything, now its smooth.
great thought and worth a shot if that's what could be causing a problem. so did you lose all your data then with all apps? msgs, etc? sucks to start from complete scratch. i'll even miss call log
Lost data, but was able to d/l everything else. Messages and call logs were gone. It is worth it to have a working phone with out glitches. Let me know if it works.
Well a good test is to install a known solid ics problem free ROM like Padawan or Black ice? (exact name escapes me). If it works for u then over clock it to 1836 with setcpu and u will have a ROM VERY close to the JB rom smoothness but actually works.
If u still have problems then u may very well have a flaky phone.
(Oh yeah don't get to worried about stuff like wipe 3 times etc...old wifes tales. I haven't done that for over a year on 3 android phones. ). Also it is Safe to restore apps AND data with titaniumb (just not system data).
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+1 on the old wives tale. Seems more like a placebo effect. I only wipe once, and I've flashed roms on tons of phones.
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tried installing padawan...so far so good, have not overclocked yet....will report back
Some roms will format your system partition prior to flashing the rom while others do not.
Beyond the wipe of data, cache, dalvik and such, it is wise to go into " mounts and storage" and format the system partition while in CWM recovery.
This ensures that nothing remains on the device before the new rom image is pushed to the system partition.
I agree that wiping 3 times is a bit over the top, but wiping the entire image base before flashing a new one is almost always mandatory.....g
For future reference, you can back up call and sms logs and restore them without causing lags or fc. The logs are simple .xml files.
Hi. i own an HTC EVO V 4G (Virgin Mobile). i used the Search function but sadly didnt found exactly what i needed.
a month or so after activating the phone, i decided to Root, S-off, Flash Recovery, bootloader and a custom Rom. However, its been a while now, that when i do a fresh install i get some inconsistency problems. for example, my first Rom was Harmonia, but later on i switched to MidnightRom. there the problems started to show up. the Sense version was working fine, but then i wanted to try out the Jellybean version. and when i did (after wiping everything, of course) some apps were not working. PlayStore wouldnt let me download anything, Tethering was not working, when using "reboot" the phone would get in a bootloop, which would only go away by removing the battery. and 3D games (Shadowgun, Temple Run, etc.) were graphically laggy. more like, unplayable. the image was distorted to the point it was impossible to see what was going on. messed around with fixing permissions, deleting Cache and Dalvik, re-flashing, and the problem was still there. i tried with other Jellybean Roms (both 4.1 and 4.2) and noticed that the problems were still there. anyways, after deciding to live with the problems (running Wild For the Night). months later i decide to flash MidnightRom again and i see that all the problems are magically gone. to this day ive been running only 4.1+ Roms and i dont have many issues whatsoever. BUT. i tried a Senseless Stock-based Rom the other day (started to miss 3D camera) and it ran well, but the overall behavior of the phone was laggy. it would take longer than usual to do anything. took me about 5 re-flashes to get rid of all the problems. then just yesterday i tried a few other Roms. some worked, though DU was really laggy, and the icons would switch places by themselves at times. as i saw the problem was not going away with re-flashing, fixing permissions and whatnot, i decide to restore to my most stable Flashed Rom.
just to clarify, here is what i do every time im about to flash a new ROM:
Wipe everything except SD card
Wipe Cache and Dalvik
Flash.
Reboot
after i flashed, if something went wrong, or if im flashing something ontop:
Wipe Cache and Dalvik
Fix permissions
Reboot
so question is, is this normal? does this has to do with the phone switching from ICS to JB? or am i doing something wrong?
also, just curious... is there a way one could, say, by some weird reason be "half S-off"? because although my bootloader says S-Off, and i have been able to flash many things, i remember that when doing the Wire thing i experienced many errors, and the thing said it was successful by itself a few seconds later while i wasnt doing anything.
and also, which is the best and most stable Hboot version i could use?
My HBoot version is 1.04.2000 (PG8610000)
Radio is 1.09.00.0706
My Recovery is 4EXT latest version
Thanks in advance
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I'm having this issue where I get a pop-up window saying "Android is upgrading..." and "Starting applications..." every time I reboot the phone. It's not the same as when I wipe the dalvik cache where it states "Optimizing applications # through #" for about a minute or two on reboot. What I'm seeing is about 1 to 3 seconds.
I did a complete factory reset, re-flashed the ICS RUU as well as the ROM. It was fine in the beginning and for quite a while after I reinstalled my apps but it eventually came back.
I tried uninstalling apps a few at a time and it didn't change anything until I got down to the last four and then it went away. So, I then tried restoring from nandroid backup and just removing those four apps but it didn't work that time. The issue was unaffected.
I realize that the symptoms point to one or more of my apps but I was wondering if there is some kind of diagnostic logger that I can use to record whats happening during reboot that might offer some hints as to which one(s). One possible indirect culprit might be Superuser. I've had a permanent issue with updating the SU binary. When I do, I lose the ability to add new root apps. I keep root for existing root apps, but SU won't detect any requests from new apps. Therefore, I simply don't update the binary and I have no problems with new apps.
Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi,
I'm having this issue where I get a pop-up window saying "Android is upgrading..." and "Starting applications..." every time I reboot the phone. It's not the same as when I wipe the dalvik cache where it states "Optimizing applications # through #" for about a minute or two on reboot. What I'm seeing is about 1 to 3 seconds.
I did a complete factory reset, re-flashed the ICS RUU as well as the ROM. It was fine in the beginning and for quite a while after I reinstalled my apps but it eventually came back.
I tried uninstalling apps a few at a time and it didn't change anything until I got down to the last four and then it went away. So, I then tried restoring from nandroid backup and just removing those four apps but it didn't work that time. The issue was unaffected.
I realize that the symptoms point to one or more of my apps but I was wondering if there is some kind of diagnostic logger that I can use to record whats happening during reboot that might offer some hints as to which one(s). One possible indirect culprit might be Superuser. I've had a permanent issue with updating the SU binary. When I do, I lose the ability to add new root apps. I keep root for existing root apps, but SU won't detect any requests from new apps. Therefore, I simply don't update the binary and I have no problems with new apps.
Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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1.) How did you root the rez? some are very picky 2.) are you using Titanium backup to restore system apps or using an app like kernel tuner?
I used the ICS RUU installation guide on TeamBAMF which walks you through using the HTC bootloader unlocker, flashing a recovery and a custom ROM. Later on, I used the S-OFF tool from JuopunutBear and flashed RezROM Ex 3.4.
I do use TBU but not to restore system apps or any data in general. I understood a long time ago that restoring data can lead to trouble so I rarely do it. I occasionally use TBU to restore user apps (no data) but have gotten into the habit of using the market links to get the app directly from the market.
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I used the ICS RUU installation guide on TeamBAMF which walks you through using the HTC bootloader unlocker, flashing a recovery and a custom ROM. Later on, I used the S-OFF tool from JuopunutBear and flashed RezROM Ex 3.4.
I do use TBU but not to restore system apps or any data in general. I understood a long time ago that restoring data can lead to trouble so I rarely do it. I occasionally use TBU to restore user apps (no data) but have gotten into the habit of using the market links to get the app directly from the market.
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what recovery are you using? Amon ra 3.1.6 has the su and superuser installer built in and ive never had issues....id also suggest after actually running an RUU.exe and not an OTA (ph98img file) to do the amon ra method and a pure clean flash...should fix your issue
Ok. I'll try your suggestion to help solve the Superuser problem, but what do you think about getting rid of the "upgrading" messages? Is there a way to record what the system is doing during reboot?
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Ok. I'll try your suggestion to help solve the Superuser problem, but what do you think about getting rid of the "upgrading" messages? Is there a way to record what the system is doing during reboot?
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if you are familliar with adb you can pull a logcat....to be honest though this does sound like either a bad or unclean flash of a rom or the whole rom itself
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if you are familliar with adb you can pull a logcat....to be honest though this does sound like either a bad or unclean flash of a rom or the whole rom itself
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You are correct that the re-flash will solve the problem, but only temporarily. If this was a first time occurrence, I agree that a pure clean re-flash is the best approach but I've already done that numerous times, well over a dozen in the past year or so.
Only a couple weeks ago I did a complete wipe of everything (factory reset, data, cache, dalvik cache, boot, system, rotate settings AND battery stats) and then re-flashed the RUU four (4) times back-to-back. The TeamBAMF guide says to flash it twice so I doubled it to be sure. I then flashed the ROM twice. That solved the "Updating" problem as it always has. However, once I finished re-installing my most frequently used apps, the problem came back.
It hasn't been consistent. It doesn't always come back. Doing the wipe and re-flash works about 50% of the time. I'll go months without it showing up again and then all of the sudden, there it is. It doesn't seem to correlate to the installation of any one particular app. I've tried installing only a few at a time and watching it but when it does come back, it never occurs until after I've installed my most basic line-up.
If there is any one activity that it seems to follow it is after I've had another issue (usually tinkering with a root app or mod and didn't like the way it turned out) and performed a wipe and nandroid restore. It doesn't come back every time, but it's on that initial reboot when I usually first notice it. In those cases, it's always hard to say whether the root app or mod caused the problem or did the wipe and restore do it.
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You are correct that the re-flash will solve the problem, but only temporarily. If this was a first time occurrence, I agree that a pure clean re-flash is the best approach but I've already done that numerous times, well over a dozen in the past year or so.
Only a couple weeks ago I did a complete wipe of everything (factory reset, data, cache, dalvik cache, boot, system, rotate settings AND battery stats) and then re-flashed the RUU four (4) times back-to-back. The TeamBAMF guide says to flash it twice so I doubled it to be sure. I then flashed the ROM twice. That solved the "Updating" problem as it always has. However, once I finished re-installing my most frequently used apps, the problem came back.
It hasn't been consistent. It doesn't always come back. Doing the wipe and re-flash works about 50% of the time. I'll go months without it showing up again and then all of the sudden, there it is. It doesn't seem to correlate to the installation of any one particular app. I've tried installing only a few at a time and watching it but when it does come back, it never occurs until after I've installed my most basic line-up.
If there is any one activity that it seems to follow it is after I've had another issue (usually tinkering with a root app or mod and didn't like the way it turned out) and performed a wipe and nandroid restore. It doesn't come back every time, but it's on that initial reboot when I usually first notice it. In those cases, it's always hard to say whether the root app or mod caused the problem or did the wipe and restore do it.
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which leads me to believe its a rom issue for that specific rom...ive never used that one so i cant verify thats what it for sure is....but having to flash the same rom twice for it to work seems like what can cause it in the first place because it already obviously clearly has some bugs...also flashing an RUU (which is a windows .exe based program...many people confuse this with an OTA ph98img file) is actually partitioning, wiping, and re installing the pure factory OS, HBOOT, and Recovery... which no recovery can do....which shouldnt be done directly before a rom install...a full thorough wipe in a custom recovery and then the install of the actual rom you are trying to obtain is how it should be done...to be honest though with how buggy this rom sounds id just suggest going to a new rom....which i have good suggestions for sense based ones
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which leads me to believe its a rom issue for that specific rom...ive never used that one so i cant verify thats what it for sure is....but having to flash the same rom twice for it to work seems like what can cause it in the first place because it already obviously clearly has some bugs...also flashing an RUU (which is a windows .exe based program...many people confuse this with an OTA ph98img file) is actually partitioning, wiping, and re installing the pure factory OS, HBOOT, and Recovery... which no recovery can do....which shouldnt be done directly before a rom install...a full thorough wipe in a custom recovery and then the install of the actual rom you are trying to obtain is how it should be done...to be honest though with how buggy this rom sounds id just suggest going to a new rom....which i have good suggestions for sense based ones
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Well, if you wouldn't mind offering some of your ROM suggestions and perhaps a sound RUU download source I'll give it a go and see what happens. I'm sure the initial results will be positive, it's the long-term that will be the real test.
One more piece of potentially useful information. I've converted one market app from user to system and froze, uninstalled or converted several user apps that were installed as system apps by the ROM. I read in one thread where someone had the same issue and a responder theorized that it could be from converting a user app to system. The responder followed saying the issue could be a symptom of the converted app not having corresponding "odex" files. I'm only a modest tinkerer and certainly not a developer so I'm not sure what that means or how important that is. However, I tried reversing the three conversions that I did and the issue persisted.
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Well, if you wouldn't mind offering some of your ROM suggestions and perhaps a sound RUU download source I'll give it a go and see what happens. I'm sure the initial results will be positive, it's the long-term that will be the real test.
One more piece of potentially useful information. I've converted one market app from user to system and froze, uninstalled or converted several user apps that were installed as system apps by the ROM. I read in one thread where someone had the same issue and a responder theorized that it could be from converting a user app to system. The responder followed saying the issue could be a symptom of the converted app not having corresponding "odex" files. I'm only a modest tinkerer and certainly not a developer so I'm not sure what that means or how important that is. However, I tried reversing the three conversions that I did and the issue persisted.
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if youve already used an ruu once you dont need to do it everytime you flash a rom....and depending on the rom certain recoveries wont work for them...good example amon ra will not work for JB or higher....if staying on ICS or sense based roms stick with amon ra only....im guessing your looking for a good Sense based rom correct?.....as for converting apps...i highly suggest against it on sense rom and can cause issues with the rom...on aosp its fine but sense just doesnt like some of them
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if youve already used an ruu once you dont need to do it everytime you flash a rom....and depending on the rom certain recoveries wont work for them...good example amon ra will not work for JB or higher....if staying on ICS or sense based roms stick with amon ra only....im guessing your looking for a good Sense based rom correct?.....as for converting apps...i highly suggest against it on sense rom and can cause issues with the rom...on aosp its fine but sense just doesnt like some of them
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My mistake, but I should have been more specific. I've only re-flashed the RUU three... maybe four times since I've owned the phone and only as a last resort to fix a problem that a wipe and/or ROM re-flash alone wasn't correcting.
As for recovery, I've only used Amon Ra on my Rezound. It's what was recommended in the Team BAMF guide and I've stuck with it. I do prefer a sense-based ROM and ICS works fine for me right now. The HTC Incredible was my first smart phone and I rooted that within a month of getting it. I tried a few ROMs but eventually settled on Skyraider which I really liked. RezROM is the only comperable ROM that I've come accross for the Rezound, but if you have recommendations, I'll give them a try.
Here's what I've done so far. The ICS RUU linked in the Team BAMF guide was an internal flash through the bootloader. To eliminate that as a possible cause, I found a couple .exe versions to run from my PC.
On the first run, I immediately flashed RezROM and used Amon Ra to install Superuser and SU as you suggested. I updated Superuser and then installed a few basic root apps: Titanium Backup, Root Explorer, QuickBoot, Busy Box, Root Checker and Root Validator. There were no issues until I starting using those root apps. I was periodically rebooting and it wasn't until I updated Busybox and ran TBU and Root Explorer that the "Android is upgrading..." message came back. Worse than before, it was doing the "Optomizing apps # through ##" part where before it was just the "upgrading" message. I uninstalled all of them one-by-one but whatever happened was perminant because it didn't go away so I did a full wipe and used the second ICS RUU .exe. On the second run I stayed stock. Again, I used Amon Ra to install Superuser and SU. I updated Superuser and then installed those same basic root apps. So far, no issues.
With these results, it's pretty evident that the problem is ROM related, but not necessarily a bug as much as a compatibility discrepancy. This issue has never been this persistent until the last few months and within that time, there has been several updates for TBU, Root Explorer and Busybox. I agree that switching to a different ROM may be the ultimate solution, but unless there is one that is a RezROM comparable, I'm not ready to write it off just yet. If there's a way to pin point which app is the cause, I might be able to find a workaround or persuade the developer to come up with a fix, I'd much rather try that first.
But again, I'm certainly interested in trying out any ROM suggestions you might have to offer in the meantime.
In the process of trying to nail down this problem, I've discovered that it appears to have something to do with the relationship between superuser and RezROM.
Since I first flashed RezROM, I haven't been able to update superuser or the binary in any way. In addition to downloading from the market, I've tried re-installing superuser with Amon Ra, flashing it from the sdcard in recovery and from adb. No matter how I do it, I either lose root or it shuts down superuser's ability to detect requests from new root apps. I tried to find a solution but had no success so I just decided to ignore it as long as it didn't effect functionality. I've had root app issues here and there but always chalked it up to a bug with that particular app and either found a fix or ditched the app altogether.
I've been able to isolate superuser as the cause of the "upgrading" message issue with several full wipes, RezROM and RUU re-flashes. In my last three attempts to narrow it down, I did completely sterile RUU and RezROM flashes and used Root Explorer and Root Checker as test apps. In each attempt, I lost root and the "upgrading" messages returned as soon as I updated superuser or the binary. I tried doing the same with the stock ROM and with one of the BAMF ROMs and these problems don't occur with either of them.
So, with the "Android is upgrading" message popping up repeatedly, having new stability problems with previously dependable apps and increasing system bugs, it's apparent that the consequences of having such a severely outdated superuser has finally caught up with me. It definitely looks like RezROM is the problem and unless there are some options that I might try to fix it myself, it's up to the developer. I've contacted them but I'm not optimistic that they'll be willing to put any time into coming up with a fix since the Rezound is so "dated".
I had this popup on every boot on my Evo 3D with the stock ICS Sense 3.6 ROM, I still have it on my Rezound with a custom ICS Sense 4.1 ROM. I just assumed it's standard behaviour from Android, why would you think it's an issue if it doesn't cause any problems?