Who's gonna pony up for the D4 tomorrow?
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Physical keyboard? No thanks.
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Meh. Spec wise it's nice, but it's really just a RAZR with a keyboard. Battery isn't that impressive, around 1800 mAh IIRC (Dx2 stock is 1500), and with 4G LTE this'll be another charge in the morning, charge in the evening type phone (if you last till the evening) AND the battery isn't even removable!
Plus there's always that bootloader issue and the fact it isn't running ICS, which means it'll be getting that after the razr, xoom and bionic.
No thanks. I'm good on Moto devices for a while anyway.
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Physical keyboard? No thanks.
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Who cares, just another locked down phone imo
The X2 is my final Motorola device ever. Motorola ticked me off with their broken promises and blatant disregard for the X2. They drop support on their phones faster than flies on crap.
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The X2 is my final Motorola device ever. Motorola ticked me off with their broken promises and blatant disregard for the X2. They drop support on their phones faster than flies on crap.
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+100 on that!
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Meh. Spec wise it's nice, but it's really just a RAZR with a keyboard. Battery isn't that impressive, around 1800 mAh IIRC (Dx2 stock is 1500), and with 4G LTE this'll be another charge in the morning, charge in the evening type phone (if you last till the evening) AND the battery isn't even removable!
Plus there's always that bootloader issue and the fact it isn't running ICS, which means it'll be getting that after the razr, xoom and bionic.
No thanks. I'm good on Moto devices for a while anyway.
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Razr with a keyboard is exactly what I want. Plus 4g.
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Honestly if any newer phone, I'd go with RAZR MAXX hands down. That battery let alone is worth it, and I'd love to see every newer phone have that size. That battery on the X2 is ridiculously big.
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The X2 is my final Motorola device ever. Motorola ticked me off with their broken promises and blatant disregard for the X2. They drop support on their phones faster than flies on crap.
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QFT!
I've got about 6 months left on this phone and then I'm done with Moto if they haven't changed their ways (which I don't see happening).
The x2 will also be my last Motorola phone. I miss being able to mod my phone. I have cm7 now but the lack of roms really makes me want to switch.
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There's not a lack of ROMs. In fact, we have a lot of ROMs:
Liberty - although it appears development has stopped
Molten - Magma is supposedly on the horizon
CM7 - another release is forthcoming in a few days per DZK
MIUI - still a work in progress
CM9 - not released yet, but DZK is working on it
Eclipse - Nitro is constantly working on this. 2.0.4 was just released.
So, lack of ROMs isn't an issue with this phone. I'd say we have quite a lot to choose from.
What has us upset is apparently, no ICS and no unlocked bootloader. The latter is a big issue because they promised they would start unlocking bootloaders. To this date, there is just ONE phone that has a bootloader unlocked and it hasn't been released yet - the Droid RAZR Developer Edition and who's to say whether or not Verizon will release this phone onto their network. My feeling is no AND I don't want to purchase ANOTHER Motorola phone just to get my bootloader unlocked.
That is really the ONLY reason I'm not going with Moto anymore. I'm also looking into getting off of Verizon. Problem is, I really need the coverage and no other carrier has the coverage I need in the areas I go to and I must have my coverage, period. So, I'm probably stuck with Verizon, so I just need to see if I can find a phone on Verizon that has the bootloader unlocked. Supposedly, HTC has been allowed to unlock some of their bootloaders on Verizon, so I'll probably go that route.
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So, I'm probably stuck with Verizon, so I just need to see if I can find a phone on Verizon that has the bootloader unlocked. Supposedly, HTC has been allowed to unlock some of their bootloaders on Verizon, so I'll probably go that route.
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HTC Rezound looks pretty nice doesn't it?
I'm not sure I could jump back to a physical keyboard. I like versatilitylity and i don't thI'd i'd want the bulk.
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There's not a lack of ROMs. In fact, we have a lot of ROMs:
Liberty - although it appears development has stopped
Molten - Magma is supposedly on the horizon
CM7 - another release is forthcoming in a few days per DZK
MIUI - still a work in progress
CM9 - not released yet, but DZK is working on it
ECLIPSE - Nitro is constantly working on this. 2.0.4 was just released.
So, lack of ROMs isn't an issue with this phone. I'd say we have quite a lot to choose from.
What has us upset is apparently, no ICS and no unlocked bootloader. The latter is a big issue because they promised they would start unlocking bootloaders. To this date, there is just ONE phone that has a bootloader unlocked and it hasn't been released yet - the Droid RAZR Developer Edition and who's to say whether or not Verizon will release this phone onto their network. My feeling is no AND I don't want to purchase ANOTHER Motorola phone just to get my bootloader unlocked.
That is really the ONLY reason I'm not going with Moto anymore. I'm also looking into getting off of Verizon. Problem is, I really need the coverage and no other carrier has the coverage I need in the areas I go to and I must have my coverage, period. So, I'm probably stuck with Verizon, so I just need to see if I can find a phone on Verizon that has the bootloader unlocked. Supposedly, HTC has been allowed to unlock some of their bootloaders on Verizon, so I'll probably go that route.
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When I first got my phone I had a choice between the Droid X2 or the Droid 3. I've never had an android phone before so I didnt know what the differences were as far as ROMs and such. So the only reason I didnt get the Droid 3 is because of the slide out keyboard. Not that I had a problem with a slide out physical keyboard (I DID have a Pre Plus before this), I would just never use it. I dont like using my phone in portrait mode. I dont know why. It just doesnt seem comfortable to me. So I wouldnt get a phone with a portrait slide out keyboard, which means I will probably never get a phone from the Droid series. Im fairly happy with my DX2. But then again, with this being my first android phone, I dont know what its like to have an unlocked bootloader. My next phone will probably not be Motorola just to see what other phones can do.
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HTC Rezound looks pretty nice doesn't it?
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Ummm hell yes, it does! WasabiWa83 has a Rezound (previous Droid X2 owner) and raves about it. It is quite possibly one of the most amazing phones I have ever seen. Unless something better comes out in the next few months, my next phone will be a Rezound.
P.S. - WasabiWa83 also does custom signatures, wallpapers, posters, etc for phones/computers if anyone is interested! I've had him do some for me (he actually created my sig, my phone's homescreen wallpaper, and my computer's desktop wallpaper), and his work is amazing, whether you want something big or small.
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Hello forum,
I've read about 9 hrs worth of info on here in 2 days. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will try and keep this short, I might fail.
I came from an org d1 with cm7, great phone. Its old hardware and I was due for an upgrade.
I just got the HTC Thunderbolt 2 days ago. I'm not very impressed with it AT ALL. I realllllly hate the HTC SENSE gui. I've never liked HTC to begin with. But the TB had 4g (which I just found out I wont get untill 2013) and a FF Camera. I don't really care about 4G anymore, any good crap I do over WiFi anyways. As far as the FF Camera, it was fun, im over it.
I have 14 days (12) to change my mind and was told I can switch phones. I really wanted the X2 in the first place, but I went with the TB. What I really want is just a beast phone that can last 2 years with upcoming tech. Everyone I hear talking about the dual core stuff says its over rated because no OS or APPs use it yet. I've been watching some Videos on the X2 and Im liking it more.
What I wonder is if its going to have any development? The HTC TB already has tons of custom ROMs and CM7 is about there. Do you guys think the X2 will get any attention? Will there be custom ROMs? I really dont like MOTOBLUR but I would be able to put up with it for 6 months over the sense.
How is the battery? Without 4G even turned on I cant even get a full day off this TB.
Is it pretty smooth and fast? I'm a little worried about the RAM .... 512 vs 768? I mean coming from the D1 512 should be fine..... but does it feel smooth?
Are there ways right now (I know you can root) to debloat it and take off MOTOBLUR ? I really just want a clean AOSP, but I'm very willing to wait for development. I just wonder if the X2 will get any attention.
Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Sorry so long.
If you want custom roms then stick with the Thunderbolt. Until the Motorola bootloader gets unlocked you won't be able to fully flash a custom rom.
Also the X2 does not have MOTOBLUR on it. And yes it is possible to root using gingerbreak and remove any bloatware.
I just got my X2 yesterday and the UI seems to be a lot smoother with the dual core processor compared to my old X. If you don't get 4G coverage then I would definitely go with the X2. Also in my experience Motorola phones tend to have better battery life over HTC.
The X2 does have MOTOBLUR but it is the updated version they use normally with gingerbread which is not as bad as the version they had before.
As for development like the previous poster said, until Motorola unlocks the bootloader and an sbf is found/created. ROMs are out of the question at the moment..
Personally I came from the TB and although the TB had all the custom ROMs th X2 has made me happy with the smooth UI, after some tweaking, and the battery life is alot better.
It's going to be a trade-off. If you like to root/ mod you're going to have to wait on the X2 for a while. I read they just cracked the Droid X for CM 7, so there's hope but no idea on when we might have a full range of option for the X2.
On the other hand, the DX2 works great out of the box and my only major complaint is no Gingerbread yet. I've used both and, given the TB's battery life sucks and I'm not around a 4G area at work or home and won't be for a while, the X2 is the better option in my opinion. The TB is not a bad phone over all, but without the 4G it's not a compelling device to need right now IMO.
I'd recommend you go with the X2 and wait until 4G LTE is both widespread and all the bugs are worked out in the system.
I've tried all of Verizon's 4G phones within my 14 day return period. (I'm paying full price, so I didn't just want to settle with playing with a floor model for a few minutes to make a decision.) Anyway, it was something about each one that made me not want to keep them. (Although I saw the Charge received an update that made the phone 2-3 times better from what I'm reading from users across different forms.) But I settled with the DX2. Far better signal than any of the others I had. Much better battery life. Better build quality by far. As smooth as the Thunderbolt, even with 512 of RAM. And it has the Dual Core processors, which will eventually be beneficial once more phones get them and more developers start working around them, software and app wise. I get 4G in my area in 2 months and I still choose to go with a 3G phone, because a page loading a few seconds faster on 4G than mine does on 3G, has absolutely no importance in my life. I think ffc's are kind of overrated right now, but will be the norm in the future when almost everyone has a phone with a camera on it. We can only hope Motorola will unlock the bootloader. I doubt Verizon would approve of that, but still, the original Droid X received some pretty good attention from dev's. As you can see, it was thought of enough that someone worked hard to get CM7 on there. So the dev attention will be there.
Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
I had a thunderbolt but the battery life was just to bad for me to keep it when i was near stl and had 4g it went from 100% to 25 in no time flat so i couldnt handle that. the droid x2 with all the bloat ware ran decently fast but once u take off bloat ware its great phone with much better battery but if you want 4g id say go with lg revolution it seems to be better i only played with in store but i liked it also
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Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
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No, Yes and Yes. The bootloader on the original X is still locked. That just means that you don't have complete control over the kernel. Custom roms can certainly still be added once root is established. Also, if anybody's been watching the blogs, CM7 has been release for the original X. It's a bit of backwards magic of loading overtop and after the original kernel, but it's reported to be working great.
Indeed, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed that CM7 on the DX means we're in line for it on the X2!
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Have you played around with a charge at all?
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nitroglycerine33 said:
Have you played around with a charge at all?
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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Besides, the Charge is still a single core phone.
OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would! I love this phone and I'm in the same situation as the OP. I won't get 4G til around until 2013 and I'll be eligible for an upgrade in January 2013. By then, I'm hoping to get whatever new multi-core, 4G, 3D display, FFC phone they have because I'm sure all of that will be more of a standard *AND* hopefully there will be better battery life for those kinds of features. Until then, gogo Droid X2!
FFC isn't all that great without 4G anyway and even if it was great on 3G, I still don't see myself using it until video calling becomes much more popular. I don't even know anyone else with an FFC for video calling, so how useful is that?? You gotta ask yourself: Who do I know with FFCs? and: Are we really gonna video chat a lot? Unless you're a hardcore SKYPEr or you are on business trips away from your wife and kids a lot, why not just stick to the casual video chatting you may or may not do on your PC?
Minus the custom ROM this is still a great phone and handsdown a top choice if you're gonna be outside the 4G bubbles for a while! Just sayin'.
You won't see any custom development until both an SBF file and the first update to the phone release. For the record, I'm quite surprised neither have leaked yet. Usually the SBF leaks in the first week or two and there is an update within the first couple weeks to fix stability issues. The X2 has so many stability issues that I think they're just going to push GB to the device rather than try to fix all the Froyo problems. That being said, it could still be a while before we see GB. I also wouldn't own this phone without being willing to root it. Too unstable without being able to fix the memory allocation problems.
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That's a good point. Now that I think about it, a single core phone isnt worth $300 dollars , even if it has 4G... I just rooted my X2, and now I going to try to uninstall the bloat, but it already feels faster.
lol, i have a brand spankin new dx2 i am willing to trade for a tbolt!!
Calcobrena said:
OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would!
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I'll second the comment that nearly all the VZW phones involve compromises of some sort. The compromises on the X2 are the lack of 4G, the not-quite-top-tier screen, and the fact that we might not see custom ROMs for a very long time.
That said, my phone is my lifeline, and the X2 meets my need for good build quality, good reception, a loud speaker (I'm a little hard at hearing), and that can get me into and out of my work-related apps quickly.
I feel like I got a good PHONE that's solid, loud, reliable, and pretty quick. Good enough for me for now. If I get Cryogen on it, then all the better, but it won't kill it for me.
Chris
I had the TB and it was a POS. Bad gps, light leaks, horrible battery, terrible speaker, kickstand started peeling after a month. I'm not saying my DX2 is perfect, but it kicks the TB's ass. Love my dual core monster.
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I had been a loyal T-Mobile customer for over 4 years. Started with a G1 as my first android then moved onto a myTouch3G, then an N1, and finally a myTouch4G. I really liked the mytouch4g it was a good phone, the screen was small at 4inches compared to 4.3 that the phones are coming out of. However the worst deal was the reception. I have 4G in my city however where I lived I was getting barely Edge. If I wanted to download an app I had to get on wifi, it was horrible. Dropped calls all the time, people not able to hear me.
Then my dad convinced me to join his family plan and get a phone. For under $200, I was able to get a Droid X2 with a case, hdmi cable.
The phone is amazing! There isn't 4G LTE in my city yet so thats why I didn't get the bionic. I am glad I didn't. I get almost full bars of 3G everywhere I go. I can download apps in a few seconds. I can get on the internet wherever I am in my city and not just certain spots like T-Mobile.
This will be my phone for at least a year till there is 4G LTE and a new device comes out. I will just say one thing. I was an HTC fan but I am loving this Motorola Droid X2!
If you love it stock, wait til you try Eclipse.
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I had been a loyal T-Mobile customer for over 4 years. Started with a G1 as my first android then moved onto a myTouch3G, then an N1, and finally a myTouch4G. I really liked the mytouch4g it was a good phone, the screen was small at 4inches compared to 4.3 that the phones are coming out of. However the worst deal was the reception. I have 4G in my city however where I lived I was getting barely Edge. If I wanted to download an app I had to get on wifi, it was horrible. Dropped calls all the time, people not able to hear me.
Then my dad convinced me to join his family plan and get a phone. For under $200, I was able to get a Droid X2 with a case, hdmi cable.
The phone is amazing! There isn't 4G LTE in my city yet so thats why I didn't get the bionic. I am glad I didn't. I get almost full bars of 3G everywhere I go. I can download apps in a few seconds. I can get on the internet wherever I am in my city and not just certain spots like T-Mobile.
This will be my phone for at least a year till there is 4G LTE and a new device comes out. I will just say one thing. I was an HTC fan but I am loving this Motorola Droid X2!
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A lot of people knock on the X2, but the developers we have, have been able to bring the hardware to its near potential, and my phone runs like an absolute BEAST. Take advantage of the customization we have out there, u won't be disappointed ; )
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Installed Eclipse as my first rom, but I am trying molten right now with the speedy script, the phone is FAST! Is there anyway to install Clockwork Recovery on this phone? I installed with rom manager but it would not boot in.
Jeffmeister said:
Installed Eclipse as my first rom, but I am trying molten right now with the speedy script, the phone is FAST! Is there anyway to install Clockwork Recovery on this phone? I installed with rom manager but it would not boot in.
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That wont work cause koush never released the app for the x2 you have to use the current bootstrap to get into recovery.
Liberated X2
Go to dev session and read before moving forward.
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Been in the development of Android phones for a good while now so I know whats up . Bootstrap rooted + Ecipse + Speedy V6 = HELLA FAST PHONE!
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Been in the development of Android phones for a good while now so I know whats up . Bootstrap rooted + Ecipse + Speedy V6 = HELLA FAST PHONE!
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Even if you know what's up you should read the important posts. Every phone is different and our phone is running unnoficial ports and hack jobs. Just be careful which tools you use, or get real familiar with sbfing
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Oh I have been reading up plenty! Thanks!
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I'm looking to get away from sprint and my evo 3d. Looking for a phone with a better battery life, bluetooth tethering and an unlocked boot.img \ kernel ect. Would verizon have an issue with free tethers or unlocking this phone? (the newest versions of this phone) Thanks for reading
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I'm looking to get away from sprint and my evo 3d. Looking for a phone with a better battery life, bluetooth tethering and an unlocked boot.img \ kernel ect. Would verizon have an issue with free tethers or unlocking this phone? (the newest versions of this phone) Thanks for reading
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Uhh.. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you were a former HTC user, so I won't rank on ya but unfortunately, our Motorola devices are still currently locked in terms of their boot-loaders. You'll notice threads in this forum such as Operation MOSH (Make OurSelves Heard) and other various complaints and such about the boot-loader being locked down.
Now with that said, a locked boot-loader isn't necessary a bad thing, especially on the RAZR MAXX. It all depends upon what type of user you are. If you are a deep enthusiast or developer who likes the freedom to flash fully-customizable ROMs, then if you choose a Motorola product, you'll have to wait until Motorola finally gives in. We're hoping to eventually get Motorola to unlock their bootloaders as they promised that they would try to by the end of 2011.
However, just recently a "Developer Edition" of the Motorola RAZR has been released in the EU. This device has an unlockable bootloader, but at the expense of no warranty and full-price cost.
Aside from the locked bootloader, I love my RAZR MAXX. It's the best phone out there amongst the other RAZRs with its extended battery life, solid build, and fluid UI.
Despite the locked bootloader, there are a few ROMs in development for the RAZR, including Hashcode's ICS port that he is working on (Soon to come). The downside is we're stuck with the kernel we have locked down until a solution can be found.
Nevertheless, its all based on personal preference really. I touted between the HTC Rezound and MAXX for a while, until I decided that the MAXX was a better fit for me.
thanks for the info. I am no too worried about roms so much as free wifi and bluetooth tethering to my xoom. might just check it out in the store to see if it is possible. This helps alot though! Hopefully they are releasing the dev version to test a free patch to the devices.
EDIT:: seems there is bluetooth tether, and root access.
I also wonder if the Razr is worth picking up. I am currently an owner of an Motorola Xoom and I love that device its pure awesomness. But I heard many people had issue's with the screen, the sim-card is disconnecting with the device, faulty headphone jack etc. Is that something common`? I have previously owned: SGS, ZTE Blade and HTC Desire Z. All 3 had terrible built quality.
I currently own the razr and I got to say this is the first moto phone that I actually love. Besides the obvious downsides like the locked boot loader and battery its a great device. It is extremely thin, light, fast, and durable you wouldn't think that moto made it. I previuosly owned the moto bionic which was the worst phone I ever owned and I also owned an HTC Dinc, best phone I ever owned, to bad the usb port gave way. I would say the the razr is almost a cross between the two... sorta.
Is ICS promised to get released official for Razr?
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Is ICS promised to get released official for Razr?
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Yes it's only a matter of time. My guess is late 2qr of this year or early 3rd.
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Adauth said:
Yes it's only a matter of time. My guess is late 2qr of this year or early 3rd.
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Awesome well if I find it for an appropriate price I will not hesitate to buy it.
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I also wonder if the Razr is worth picking up. I am currently an owner of an Motorola Xoom and I love that device its pure awesomness. But I heard many people had issue's with the screen, the sim-card is disconnecting with the device, faulty headphone jack etc. Is that something common`? I have previously owned: SGS, ZTE Blade and HTC Desire Z. All 3 had terrible built quality.
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I can report no problems with my MAXX that others have reported with their RAZR. Build quality is on the Motorola is superb. I have owned several DROID devices by Motorola, and that is certainly something they did right to say the least.
The Razr is definitely worth buying. I've had mine for about a month and it's been flawless. I've got it rooted, installed a cwm recovery and Shady's Arctic themed rom. Runs great.
And you don't have to be rooted to enjoy tethering with PDAnet.
[RAZR XT912]-[HTC Eris]
Is 475€ good price for the Razr? (633$) without contract ofc.
Really like mine so far
Well, my time as an X2 user has now officially come to a close. I know with all my rantings and ravings, I swore to NEVER purchase another Motorola device, but I was able to obtain a Droid RAZR and the issues with the X2 just made me have to bite the bullet and go with the RAZR instead.
All I can say is, the X2 is definitely a problem child and I can see why Motorola has decided to abandon it. The big issue has to be the memory, aka the lack of it. I know DZK is working hard on CM9 but he even states a lot of the current issues with the Alpha are due to the lack of memory the X2 has.
On the RAZR, things are smooth and music NEVER skips. My apps run great, including my games. And, since I didn't upgrade to the RAZR via Verizon (got the phone outside of Verizon), I was able to keep my unlimited data even though I switched to 4g. I also didn't have to pay the stupid $30 upgrade fee. So, that makes up for the fact that I went with ANOTHER Motorola phone. I just couldn't wait any longer and stick with the X2. It was just getting horrendous.
I'll still lurk around these forums and offer help where needed. I must say that this community is definitely VERY friendly and helpful. I haven't gotten a good handle on how the RAZR community is, but it appears to be pretty helpful.
In any case, Hasta la vista people!
Good to see you're happy with the Razr. Never knew you could keep all of your plan info if you buy from a 3rd party. Cheers!
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Good to see you're happy with the Razr. Never knew you could keep all of your plan info if you buy from a 3rd party. Cheers!
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It's because I didn't upgrade through Verizon. It wasn't a contract extension or anything. In fact, my new-every-two is STILL valid at this point.
So, if you can get a phone outside of verizon for free or cheap, do it. In fact, I'll more than likely stay on this phone for the next year or two and by then, my contract will be done and I can leave Verizon without penalty as I won't be under contract anymore.
I'll have to wait and see, though.
I don't buy the "memory" issue. The Sony Miro, just released, is only single core (800mhz) with 512 ram...and it's running ICS--so I'm hopeful for the DX2, especially if the the Linaro improvements eventually come to fruition.
With that said, I hope the Razr turns out to be a better experience Bolski. And all your ranting and raving was/is appreciated. Even though Moto-Rizon didn't come through, you put up a helluva fight and at a minimum, probably made them spend as much money replying to you as you spent on the DX2!
Cheers!
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I don't buy the "memory" issue. The Sony Miro, just released, is only single core (800mhz) with 512 ram...and it's running ICS--so I'm hopeful for the DX2, especially if the the Linaro improvements eventually come to fruition.
With that said, I hope the Razr turns out to be a better experience Bolski. And all your ranting and raving was/is appreciated. Even though Moto-Rizon didn't come through, you put up a helluva fight and at a minimum, probably made them spend as much money replying to you as you spent on the DX2!
Cheers!
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Yeah, who knows. As it is, it may even be an architectural issue with the X2, depending on how they put that thing together and how it manages memory.
In any case, it now sits on my desk shelf for now, relegated to the retired realm with all the other phones I have on there.
I will say, the RAZR is definitely leaps and bounds better than the X2. No music skipping, music sounds better, etc. There are some caveats with it, including SD flip-flop not working as nicely as it does on the X2. But, overall, I can live with that. Just means less games installed at one time.
My dad had the razr and is currently doing nothing with it. I'm wondering if I should save my money, hold out on the nexus and see if I can switch to his razr. Honestly I really like the device and I don't see any huge downsides to it.
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My dad had the razr and is currently doing nothing with it. I'm wondering if I should save my money, hold out on the nexus and see if I can switch to his razr. Honestly I really like the device and I don't see any huge downsides to it.
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I've heard mostly positive things as well about it.
iBolski, I wish you the best. Keep is posted here or in the Bored topics. Interested in how it settles in for you. We may have a few following you in a month or so.
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I don't buy the "memory" issue. The Sony Miro, just released, is only single core (800mhz) with 512 ram...and it's running ICS--so I'm hopeful for the DX2, especially if the the Linaro improvements eventually come to fruition.
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I don't buy it either! All those new "low-end" devices running ICS lead me to believe that Moto refuses to update this device to keep from losing out on sales of newer devices. Just look at the OP and what he did, X2 to RAZR....just like Motorola figured would happen
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I don't buy it either! All those new "low-end" devices running ICS lead me to believe that Moto refuses to update this device to keep from losing out on sales of newer devices. Just look at the OP and what he did, X2 to RAZR....just like Motorola figured would happen
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The only way I believe it is because of two things:
1) Dragonzkiller has stated the issue with the current implementation of CM9DX2 is memory based on the architecture of the X2.
2) My first droid, an LG Vortex, was a single-core processor running at 600mhz. It NEVER skipped music. It had MUCH less memory than the X2, etc. So, I really think the architecture of the x2, hardware-wise, is the culprit and no amount of programming will fix it, unfortunately.
I could be wrong and I hope I am, but so far, all the removal of the Motobloat hasn't removed it completely under CM7 or Eclipse. It has helped, but the problem still persisted and for me, it appeared to be getting worse as the phone aged. Heck, it even happened when nothing else was going on.
But in any case, all I can say is so far, I'm very happy with the RAZR. It's performance is top-notch. One thing I've noticed is, I had an extended battery in my X2 and the RAZR seems to keep pace with it, so I guess it's not all that bad. Juice Defender Ultimate definitely helps.
I don't understand the music skipping problem. I've never encountered this issue. The only time my music skips is when a call comes in, so that really doesn't count.
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I don't understand the music skipping problem. I've never encountered this issue. The only time my music skips is when a call comes in, so that really doesn't count.
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Try using Pandora, that skips pretty much when you do anything, also usually a guaranteed skip for music would be opening the app manager, it hates that lol
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Basically for me the skip only happens when I'm multitasking. If it's just playing music it's fine.
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I used my X2 as a mp3 player for work. I used YouTube, Pandora, and the music app for mp3s I already had on the phone. Music app was the only thing that ever skipped for me. When it did it was here and there. It would skip for a minute then stop and be okay again. Not really as bad as people here seen to say
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Thanks for all your efforts ibolski. From the looks of things I'll either be getting the razr or pre ordering the sgs3 before the data plan change to keep my unlimited data for a couple more years anyway.
Have to say I'm still leaning towards the razr because of the build quality in spite of the Locked bootloader. Anyway good luck from here and again thanks for your contributions to what is IMHO the best forum period.
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Played around with the razr for a good half hour and it does everything I need it too do quickly. 4G is great and the software is smooth. The MAXX is almost guaranteed ICS and battery life is impeccable. I'm finding that having my phone live and strong is a serious must when I'm out on the road as our bus radio range is terrible and the GPS phones we get can't make calls. I never get the chance to charge during the day.
The only issue being raised is the development aspect of the phone - more specifically the next version of android. Will moto pull a X2 and give a big fat NO to the device?
Thinking out loud...hehe
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Well if they do that, I think the devs here on xda have gotten android on the razr...again I "think"
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Well if they do that, I think the devs here on xda have gotten android on the razr...again I "think"
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I dont quite understand what you're saying?
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I dont quite understand what you're saying?
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Well, kexec is out for the razr which allows loading a custom kernel. Unfortunately, at this time only 1 core works, but they are working diligently on it to get it working with two cores. But, that's farther along than the X2 at this point.
Also, there are plenty of ICS leaks out there for the razr. They are unofficial leaks from Motorola and some people have been getting text messages from Motorola stating that ICS for the RAZR and RAZR MAXX is due out soon.
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Well, kexec is out for the razr which allows loading a custom kernel. Unfortunately, at this time only 1 core works, but they are working diligently on it to get it working with two cores. But, that's farther along than the X2 at this point.
Also, there are plenty of ICS leaks out there for the razr. They are unofficial leaks from Motorola and some people have been getting text messages from Motorola stating that ICS for the RAZR and RAZR MAXX is due out soon.
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Figured thats what was being referenced. Now I'm wondering about just getting a 3800 mAH battery for the Nexus...
Lord I am so indecisive.
Oops...I meant to say Ice Cream Sandwich
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I just grabbed this phone from Verizon, since the dev community is small compared to my other 2 options (Razr HD Maxx and Galaxy S3), however, with this new pesky 2.04 OTA that came pre-installed on my DNA, it seems like the community is currently at a halt.
I have approx 10 more days to return my DNA and get a second choice (Razr or Galaxy), but the hardware is really holding me to the DNA. I don't care much for Sense, and I've always been a motorola fan, however I also love to dev and mess with my phones. So, how likely is this 2.04 unlock? Or should I just go ahead and switch phones? Both the S3 and Razr have great dev communities. S3 has 2gb ram while the Razr has 1gb ram BUT has that amazing battery.
What should I do? I'm so indecisive right now and it's killing me!
I wouldn't buy a phone based on what might happen in the future. If nothing else, you could always sell it and buy one unlocked and s off.
The S3 is decent although old and I suspect dev support is on the downhill slope. I'm personally not a fan of the Razr. If it was my choice to make I'd keep the DNA or sell it and get one unlocked, or get a Note 2 to hold me over until Verizon gets the next HTC. The DNA 2 or One Variant.
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why not take it back to the store and swap it out instead? Just don't let the store reps update your software. I never let them do anything more then activate my sim card
Guess its a good thing the woman that sold me mine was not familiar with smartphones, I had to show her how to take out the SIM tray. I declined the update so I could familiarize myself to sense coming from the razr maxx
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why not take it back to the store and swap it out instead? Just don't let the store reps update your software. I never let them do anything more then activate my sim card
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You think the phone was updated and didn't just come already preloaded with the new software? I don't remember having to sit through any update, she simply opened it, popped in the sim card, and had me log into my gmail. If that's the case, then I might try that route.
I came from the Maxx and think the DNA is so much more of a phone that I live we the battery size. I got to say that there is something innate to flashaholics that we must have the latest version and once we have it, we want to newest version. In the end, they all still do the same damn thing. We risk bricking, endless hours of trying to fix something we may have screwed up in flashing variants and trying every rom out there and trying again and again. The DNA is a great phone as is. You will always want the next phone regardless so make a decision based on the phone in your hand not what it may be like once you get rooted and start the insanity again of trying to make it better. You can deactivate bloat, hid things in app drawer, it is still blazing fast, a portable battery hub solves the battery issue better than having to plug in everywhere, the Qi pad is sweet, still fits in jean pockets and it has a beautiful screen.
I came from the Maxx and think the DNA is so much more of a phone that I live we the battery size. I got to say that there is something innate to flashaholics that we must have the latest version and once we have it, we want to newest version. In the end, they all still do the same damn thing. We risk bricking, endless hours of trying to fix something we may have screwed up in flashing variants and trying every rom out there and trying again and again. The DNA is a great phone as is. You will always want the next phone regardless so make a decision based on the phone in your hand not what it may be like once you get rooted and start the insanity again of trying to make it better. You can deactivate bloat, hid things in app drawer, it is still blazing fast, a portable battery hub solves the battery issue better than having to plug in everywhere, the Qi pad is sweet, still fits in jean pockets and it has a beautiful screen.
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Why do you have to point out the amazingness of this phone and make my decision even harder!? I do agree with you though. The DNA has amazing more-than-currently-needed hardware, and that's really what's making my decision so hard. I have faith in the unlock, and plenty of patience, but it's hard being a developer and not being able to dev. I hate being restricted. I'm almost to the point of getting the Note II, but the phablet size is keeping me away for now.
Thanks for the input!
I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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Before the update came out I didn't root or unlock because I think phone is amazing on a stock rom. HTC really did a nice job. Although once it stops getting otas I will unlock root and put a custom rom and kernel but until then I'm just staying on stock. I don't see anything wrong with it. And if I get the urge to flash something I just flash my n7.
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Before the update came out I didn't root or unlock because I think phone is amazing on a stock rom. HTC really did a nice job. Although once it stops getting otas I will unlock root and put a custom rom and kernel but until then I'm just staying on stock. I don't see anything wrong with it. And if I get the urge to flash something I just flash my n7.
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I am rooted and unlocked but the main reason I did it was to remap to recents button to long press menu just go get rid of the black menu bar.
Other than that I was very happy with stock.
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My DNA is still locked and unrooted and honestly it doesn't bother me too much. It is pretty awesome as is. Sure it has some annoyances but what phone doesn't?
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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Absolutely, it's a very smooth phone. And like broons said, there are small things that bug me. I would like to root for tasker, hotspot/tether, custom notifications bar (i really dislike the sense skinned not bar), power on with volume, remve gps icon, and remove the bloat completely. Those are what I would do instantly, with only root. But of course, the main reason would be to flash roms and take a crack at the source myself
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Absolutely, it's a very smooth phone. And like broons said, there are small things that bug me. I would like to root for tasker, hotspot/tether, custom notifications bar (i really dislike the sense skinned not bar), power on with volume, remve gps icon, and remove the bloat completely. Those are what I would do instantly, with only root. But of course, the main reason would be to flash roms and take a crack at the source myself
Is there currently a team actively working on the 2.04 unlock?
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Guys If you want an exploit email and twitter at HTC and HTCDEV to release the 2.04 kernel source which they are LEGALLY required to do and have no done so yet. There is seriously a likely exploit there.
I'd stick with the DNA...cm 10.1 is almost done and if devs can't figure out a root method...which i think they will...you can send it off to get s-off for like $40...its not impossible to get s-off
Current team says it is not likely. Kernel source may help.
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Current team says it is not likely. Kernel source may help.
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^ Truth.
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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The first thing I do is ROOT when I get a phone. However I can't on the DNA b/c I'm also on 2.04. I'm actually with AT&T using the DNA. I don't have LTE, and MMS only works using GoSMS which I don't really care for. Even with the MMS issue, no LTE, and no ROOT, this phone is still worth it. If I was an actual VZW subscriber, this would be the phone to have for sure.
I want ROOT to remove the horrid software install popups when connecting by usb and to wifi tether. Other than that, the stock rom is pretty smooth. The hardware is just too BEAST to pass up. I'm coming from the OneX which was a great phone as well, but the DNA runs circles around the OneX.
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I just grabbed this phone from Verizon, since the dev community is small compared to my other 2 options (Razr HD Maxx and Galaxy S3), however, with this new pesky 2.04 OTA that came pre-installed on my DNA, it seems like the community is currently at a halt.
I have approx 10 more days to return my DNA and get a second choice (Razr or Galaxy), but the hardware is really holding me to the DNA. I don't care much for Sense, and I've always been a motorola fan, however I also love to dev and mess with my phones. So, how likely is this 2.04 unlock? Or should I just go ahead and switch phones? Both the S3 and Razr have great dev communities. S3 has 2gb ram while the Razr has 1gb ram BUT has that amazing battery.
What should I do? I'm so indecisive right now and it's killing me!
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I have had numerous Moto phones and the Razr Maxx HD was a big disappointment for me; and I tried hard to love that thing. 32 GB of memory and a battery like no other, but they skimped out by only including 1 GB of RAM which gave me redraw after redraw. It reminded me of my old Charge. The DNA is by far the best stock Android phone I've ever had (15 and counting). If you don't like Sense, then just throw Nova or something similar on top. I would never own a Samsung phone again, but if you're okay with the plastic, crappy feel, the S3 probably has the easiest phone to root and the most custom ROM's.
If you guys want any hope of an exploit, Twitter and email HTC and htcdev to release the kernel source! They are violating the gpl by not doing that.
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Had the Razr as well and loved it but the 1gb of RAM was the problem. Had they put 2gb in the HD's, right now, they would be owning market.
The DNA is amazing even unrooted. Power toggles and Nova make this phone completely unique and i haven't even played with ADW and other launchers. Just crazy fast and lightning quick.