I have been to a couple forums trying to discuss this phone. and I always come across arguments over what version is better. seems like there is a lot of animosity on both sides. but mostly on the international side I was just wondering why. we are all in the note family .we should be united in our love for this great phone. either version so what I'm asking is cant we all get along lol
phillyrican said:
I have been to a couple forums trying to discuss this phone. and I always come across arguments over what version is better. seems like there is a lot of animosity on both sides. but mostly on the international side I was just wondering why. we are all in the note family .we should be united in our love for this great phone. either version so what I'm asking is cant we all get along lol
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It's called post-purchase rationalization. When you buy something expensive, you'll naturally defend your reasoning.
Because they purchased their version, they have a case of cognitive dissonance because they won't purchase the AT&T version
A fox sees some high-hanging grapes and wishes to eat them. When the fox is unable to think of a way to reach them, he decides that the grapes are probably not worth eating, with the justification the grapes probably are not ripe or that they are sour (hence "sour grapes"). This example follows a pattern: one desires something, finds it unattainable, and reduces one's dissonance by criticizing it.
As we've seen from many, many benchmarks between the devices, the benchmarks are on par in most regards. The exynos has a slightly better GPU, but the CPU is not quite as power as ours for floating point operations and a few other things.
Oh, and ours is LTE
And I don't want to trash the international but when the international users trash AT&T version it's like really come on man just be happy with what you got or sell it and get the us version and the only really difference that matters the most is the LTE you even know how much faster this thing gonna be lol
phillyrican said:
And I don't want to trash the international but when the international users trash AT&T version it's like really come on man just be happy with what you got or sell it and get the us version and the only really difference that matters the most is the LTE you even know how much faster this thing gonna be lol
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A majority of the AT&T users who bought the note, are the ones who are talking trash about our version.
Just ignore it though. We'll have mostly separate communities. Development will be separated too.
They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title (although these seemed to have died down a bit).
These threads are so harmonious , just being there makes me want to.......
macwilson said:
If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title (although these seemed to have died down a bit).
These threads are so harmonious , just being there makes me want to.......
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Maroon Mushroom said:
the benchmarks are on par in most regards.
Oh, and ours is LTE
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And NFC... (I think)
A couple of quadrant points is a huge deal, but a couple-dozen meg/sec download speed is insignificant... :what:
macwilson said:
If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title
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Oh yea, almost forgot to ask, does the Note have Gorilla Glass? :banghead:
Duck..!
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Why did I buy the international version?
Main reason is I got tired of at&t dragging its feet in releasing it
The processor didn't mean much to me, I don't play games...
LTE? Going to be at least a year til it gets to my market, if that soon.
Updates...I prefer manufacturer updates, over custom roms most of the
time. Manufacturer roms almost always hit WAY before a carrier releases one,
if at all.
Bloat...unless you root, getting rid of carrier installed bloat is next to
impossible LOL.
p51d007 said:
Why did I buy the international version?
Main reason is I got tired of at&t dragging its feet in releasing it
The processor didn't mean much to me, I don't play games...
LTE? Going to be at least a year til it gets to my market, if that soon.
Updates...I prefer manufacturer updates, over custom roms most of the
time. Manufacturer roms almost always hit WAY before a carrier releases one,
if at all.
Bloat...unless you root, getting rid of carrier installed bloat is next to
impossible LOL.
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Almost all of your reasons can be tweaked/altered in some way to match or exceed the international note. We are on a developers forum so I would assume most people are going to take control over their own devices and negate carrier updates and bloat. ATT can try and cripple the device all they want but Ill be flashing a rogers or telus rom as soon as theyre available. Did wonders for my skyrocket.
Maroon Mushroom said:
A majority of the AT&T users who bought the note, are the ones who are talking trash about our version.
Just ignore it though. We'll have mostly separate communities. Development will be separated too.
They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
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I bit of overgeneralizing going on. I am on this board and android central and have not seen this although the mods are quick to look at this for "signs". The thread on throttling, which many of us commented on, is way more over the line than this thread has ever been. It is not hate to point out the differences in the phones. They are different and will perform differently. In a few weeks this board will be full of posts why the ATT folks are not happy with their purchase and problems with their GNote, just as on the other forums.
Having said that, the ones who bought the International version should either be happy with their purchase or sell the GNote and get the ATT version if they want that and not try to tear down the ATT model. We get it, it is not a exynos...so what. If you want LTE, which I do, you do not have any other options.
I will be getting the ATT version, provided the reviews are what I expect them to be. (and keeping my International GNote) So I will have both and go back and forth between the forums. There is a lot more similar between the phones (touchwiz) than is different. There is a lot that can be learned from folks who already have the phone, on tips and tricks for example.
The ones who are getting the ATT version should not dismiss the experiences of the International GNote owners and the International GNote owners should not try to put down the ATT version as any less capable a phone as the International. As to what happens on other boards, I do not know or do not care. THIS board has been very civil, so let's all work to keep it that way!
Peace everyone!
Maroon Mushroom said:
It's called post-purchase rationalization. When you buy something expensive, you'll naturally defend your reasoning.
Because they purchased their version, they have a case of cognitive dissonance because they won't purchase the AT&T version
A fox sees some high-hanging grapes and wishes to eat them. When the fox is unable to think of a way to reach them, he decides that the grapes are probably not worth eating, with the justification the grapes probably are not ripe or that they are sour (hence "sour grapes"). This example follows a pattern: one desires something, finds it unattainable, and reduces one's dissonance by criticizing it.
As we've seen from many, many benchmarks between the devices, the benchmarks are on par in most regards. The exynos has a slightly better GPU, but the CPU is not quite as power as ours for floating point operations and a few other things.
Oh, and ours is LTE
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Well said sir .
Sent from my Galaxy SII
Oh I get it now...kinda like all the hate from the ATT GNote buyers in the thread about the LG vu? lol!
Maroon Mushroom said:
They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
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So the international version cant reach at&t lte type speeds over seas on a different network?
SysAdmNj said:
So the international version cant reach at&t lte type speeds over seas on a different network?
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No. There is a Korean LTE version but the ATT and Canadian Models are the first with customized LTE radios to be launched outside of Korea I believe. The International GNote is HSPA+.
He's got a point. We will all be complaining about AT&T when they get an official ICS update and we dont!
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planoman said:
No. There is a Korean LTE version but the ATT and Canadian Models are the first with customized LTE radios to be launched outside of Korea I believe. The International GNote is HSPA+.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
planoman said:
Oh I get it now...kinda like all the hate from the ATT GNote buyers in the thread about the LG vu? lol!
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That's Not hate... The LG VI is ugly and were just shocked that LG would make something like that. It looks like a huge Nokia windows phone with LG's UI on it.
MMAHavok69 said:
That's Not hate... The LG VI is ugly and were just shocked that LG would make something like that. It looks like a huge Nokia windows phone with LG's UI on it.
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uhh...it was a joke...
I feel the Note community needs to come together so we can direct our attention against the Vu...
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slaydog said:
He's got a point. We will all be complaining about AT&T when they get an official ICS update and we dont!
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I did preorder the AT&T version so I'm gonna be right there with you. As others have said, the international version is likely to continue to have a bigger dev community and we don't have the option that I777 users have taken of porting ROMs easily because we won't be running the same hardware. Hopefully there will be enough similarity to other, popular Snapdragon devices that we can get CM9 going in a reasonable timeframe.
The fact is that both devices have advantages and disadvantages, even if some are based more on personal preferences than objective criteria. Any time people feel strongly about their stuff, they will invite flame wars. My advice to rational people is not to take anything said on the internet to heart. Lots of people get heated about things and escalating any sort of conflict on a forum--especially on a forum that is meant to be devoted to development and sharing.
Related
I'm in a bad mood, it looks like there won't be an official Gingerbread update for my P509. I'm now reconsidering Android in general. Read my rant here if you're interested:
Android Product Life Cycle, it's potential downfall?
Anyway, so what do you think based on specs and features, is Apple in good hands without Steve Jobs? I say yes.
It'd be cool if you could apply an avatar to Siri
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
Turducken said:
LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
Feeshie said:
LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
Turducken said:
As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that they know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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It's a wise decision to invest into a higher end phone. Don't expect to get the same treatment when you got a lower end device because sadly things don't work that way. Phones like the Optimus/Galaxy Ace/Mini/Gio are pretty much not even budget phones anymore. They are at the bottom of the bottom. The mid-range phones now are the low end phones now. Things are shifting and it would be a waste of time for them to get in the trouble of working on a phone that is obsolete.
Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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I've install different roms, on my Optimus T and i have the same issues with all of them, the MMS come to small and i refuse to use the GO sms app so i'm stuck on stock! was really hopping on the Gingerbread version!
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
terratrix said:
Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
Turducken said:
I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for. TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for.
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You clearly didn't read the link in my first post did you? It's an OS and updates include security patches. These are necessary not optional! IMO my 2 year contract has been breached by TMO LG or Google (let the lawyers figure it out)
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TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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Amen but it's not just this phone it's ALOT of them.
no, thanks
Turducken said:
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You're making me laugh.
Let me see, you're comparing Android on a $200 max phone with an iPhone? A low-end phone will never provide the real Android experience.
I was looking at my O1 and I said "I think I'll buy a better droid next time, this one is just offering me a small taste of what Android can do". So I did; I bought a better, dual-core, 4.3" phone. Trust me, daily use of Android on a premium phone can't be compared to daily use on a cheap one.
So don't compare your O1 to an iPhone. Try and compare a GS2, Arc S, Sensation, Droid Bionic, Nexus etc to an iPhone and then see if the iPhone's really worth it.
might get it
or stick to android
off course buy high end android phone
such like not sgs 2, sensation / sensation xe / evo 3d and other
22VIN...
you
are
RIGHT!
I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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orsonbear said:
22VIN...
you
are
RIGHT!
I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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Hardware and Software are different.
What's so hard to understand about wanting a well defined Product LifeCycle?
Buy a $300 Windows Home Laptop and buy a $2000 Windows Professional despktop. The SOFTWARE Product Lifecycle is the same.
No wonder Google is dragging it's feet with regards to this fragmentation. It's customers have been brainwashed. I thought Android users were supposed to be the smart ones... do yourselves a favor and THINK.
P.S. a iPhone 4S is $99 with contract in the US.
**EDIT**
I went down to the Apple Store this morning and played with one... It's pretty nice. I'm not getting one, I'm just pissed at Google (we all should be).
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Essentially saying that it's pretty much dead already.
I never bought the hype around it. Unless Google lays down the law..they will always half ass give updates.
They don't make money upgrading existing devices when they can just crank out new devices with minimal upgrades.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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I'm a huge fan of HTC and Sense, I just don't see HTC making a "Google Phone" with Sense. It'll be another Nexus One.
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
Zabalba said:
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
Rippley05 said:
+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
Rippley05 said:
No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Which still falls under option 1.
I happen to be under contract and overall happy with what I get from Sprint. Never any nickel and dime surprises on my bill that I got relentlessly from AT&T and Verizon.
We are basically stuck, but it is what it is. Money makes the world go'round and we should be happy we get updates at all I guess..
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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Very true. I'd rather be in this situation than be in the iTunes world, that's for sure.
I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I hope this never happens. Cyanogen would just become another OEM, and would need to make decisions about what phones to upgrade, when to upgrade those phones, and which ones to leave behind. Plus, Cyanogen also needs dev support from members of each type of phone they support. So, if a dev goes to a different phone, the support for that phone will either need to be transferred to another dev, or support may be dropped. Right now, the cyanogen team is on top of the world. I want them to stay there.
What I would like is for manufacturers like motorola and htc to treat their boot loaders more like Samsung, and LG. They don't need to be encrypted.
I currently have a DHD (Inspire) on AT&T and I was wondering should I get the Galaxy S II or should I wait for something better?
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I currently have a DHD (Inspire) on AT&T and I was wondering should I get the Galaxy S II or should I wait for something better?
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Moved to Q&A...
I highly recommend the Galaxy S II. If you wait for something better, then you will always be waiting because newer, bigger phones will always be coming out. Right now, at this very moment, the GS2 is the BEST phone to get, and I believe it will remain on top for AT LEAST the next year.
In short as I',m sure at least 97% of the users here will tell you... I'm gonna say... Yes. You should. However if you don't mind waiting then keep waiting until the next great wonder phone drops.
"...something better", define your term.
HW spec., I'm sure there are phones that has higher freq., higher lcd resolution, .... that might not be suitable for "better", especially development supports.
Skyrocket is one example and Skyrocket HD is on the list to be released.
The Note will be out shortly, I'd guess less than a month.
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Yes (but can't post less than 10 characters so..) HELL YES!!!
Absolutely.
Don't regret getting mine one bit.
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The Note will be out shortly, I'd guess less than a month.
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AT&T Note variant is crippled... Crapdragon means no pulling any goodness from the GT-N7000 community.
It's not like the Captivate being able to pull from I9000 and us being able to pull from I9100. Yes, our development community is fairly small - but it doesn't need to be large because nearly everything happening in the massive I9100 community is applicable to our devices too.
The AT&T Note won't have that.
Yes - only if you are in non-LTE market/area
No - if you are in 4g LTE market or near-future LTE market
Starting Feb'12 at&t is going to introduce a lot of 4g LTE phones including skyrocket HD.
Even in an LTE market, I would not recommend any of the LTE devices. LTE is not yet mature, just like 3G wasn't mature when the first iPhone was released. (One of the few things Apple has done that I fully support is not jumping on the OMG NEW RADIO TECH!!!! bandwagon when it was CLEAR that the new radio tech was bad for battery life and phone size.)
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Yes - only if you are in non-LTE market/area
No - if you are in 4g LTE market or near-future LTE market
Starting Feb'12 at&t is going to introduce a lot of 4g LTE phones including skyrocket HD.
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WHy do people say this? I am in a LTE area and had a Skyrocket before jumping ship, data speeds were faster but its not like HSPA+ is Edge or anything.
Definitely. It's such an amazing phone, and the people on this forum are really helpful.
I don't think anyone here will say no haha.
I say yes you should get it. I Recently came from the Inspire(DHD).It took me awhile to get use to how light Samsung phones feel compare to HTC. Like mention believe if you live in a Lte area go ahead and get the Skyrocket or wait for the Skyrocket HD. I would recommend going to a local At&t or retail store and try the phone out to see if its to your liking.You don't want to pay for a phone your not going to like.
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WHy do people say this? I am in a LTE area and had a Skyrocket before jumping ship, data speeds were faster but its not like HSPA+ is Edge or anything.
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I say yes you should get it. I Recently came from the Inspire(DHD).It took me awhile to get use to how light Samsung phones feel compare to HTC. Like mention believe if you live in a Lte area go ahead and get the Skyrocket or wait for the Skyrocket HD. I would recommend going to a local At&t or retail store and try the phone out to see if its to your liking.You don't want to pay for a phone your not going to like.
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My current driver is the Inspire, like you. Thanks for the advice.
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I live in the DFW area and I have no interest in H+ or LTE. I'd be happy if I get the H+ Galaxy S II.
It's been a while since I last seen the spec sheets, what is the difference between the Skyrocket and the SGSII?
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Moved to Q&A...
I highly recommend the Galaxy S II. If you wait for something better, then you will always be waiting because newer, bigger phones will always be coming out. Right now, at this very moment, the GS2 is the BEST phone to get, and I believe it will remain on top for AT LEAST the next year.
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I concur. Its closeness to the 9100 will also keep you busy (a lot of development support). By the way, I also came from the Inspire.
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I live in the DFW area and I have no interest in H+ or LTE. I'd be happy if I get the H+ Galaxy S II.
It's been a while since I last seen the spec sheets, what is the difference between the Skyrocket and the SGSII?
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There are A TON of threads on this. Search our parent forum (where you can see all of the subforums). Go to search this forum, advanced search, type in skyrocket, and search titles only. I saw at least 5 . . . on the first page of results lol.
I see you're on your device. Since searching from the app blows and I've had difficulty with searching the site on my device, I'll link the results page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=6900189&pp=25
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My current driver is the Inspire, like you. Thanks for the advice.
Sent from my ICS flavored Desire HD
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And also remember that Samsungs touchwiz doesn't seem as polish as HTC sense to some people(I did see something about sense on the gs2 but not sure if it's real or finished).Touchwiz is more based on speed and performance then it is show. The cool thing about the Samsung galaxy s2 is that thanks to amazing developers like Entropy we are able to run the international ones roms with hellraiser.if I really like HTC build n UI then go with the vivid.if you want yo try Android in a new amazing way get the gs2.like I said before try them both out at the store cause when it comes down to it it's your phone and it has to fit you.
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And also remember that Samsungs touchwiz doesn't seem as polish as HTC sense to some people(I did see something about sense on the gs2 but not sure if it's real or finished).Touchwiz is more based on speed and performance then it is show. The cool thing about the Samsung galaxy s2 is that thanks to amazing developers like Entropy we are able to run the international ones roms with hellraiser.if I really like HTC build n UI then go with the vivid.if you want yo try Android in a new amazing way get the gs2.like I said before try them both out at the store cause when it comes down to it it's your phone and it has to fit you.
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Well from the time I get it it will only be stock and unrooted for about a day to try out the TouchWiz interface.
Sent from my ICS flavored Desire HD
Make sure you buy a jig if you decide to keep the phone because it comes in handy.you can find them on ebay for like $2+. Alot of the roms are themed touchwiz but they are Alot better then stock.
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Although XDA is not a place to extensively talk about what device person should buy, some forums permit it. So to help keep the threads a little cleaner, you may post your questions here.
Granted there are other sites more into device reviews and comparisons, but in the interest of keeping some people happy, and to avoid getting posts deleted, this thread is created for people who have no idea what device to get.
In the end, you should still march your happy self to a shop, and play with the devices that are available. Only then will you be satisfied with your purchase.
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A gsm user should not buy photon, i am photon user and i`m planning to sell it as soon as possible. Made some research i`m gonna buy samsung galaxy S sgh T989
First Moscow Desire, Thank you!Since the announcment of possible Photon sequel there are at least 3 running threads on the same subject.
I'm mixed to be honest, the spec's on the new EVO are hot. The "reported" specs on the sequel Photon Q 4G LTE look hot also. Giving a choice, if the Photon keeps CDMA/GSM and kickstand, Photon it is!
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A gsm user should not buy photon, i am photon user and i`m planning to sell it as soon as possible. Made some research i`m gonna buy samsung galaxy S sgh T989
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Why should a gsm user avoid this phone? Ive been looking at it.
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Why should a gsm user avoid this phone? Ive been looking at it.
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For prepaid gsm users. USSD codes not supported by the phone, and in my opinion ussd codes are very useful for us.
I just watched the press release for Samsung Galaxy S III (watched it twice matter fact) all I can say is DAMM!!!!!
www.thenextgalaxy.com
galaxy nexus III
This phone looks amazing. This phone reminds me a lot of iOS functionality.
HTML:
thenextgalaxy.com
Photon All the way
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Photon All the way
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Really? I love my Photon also, but there is crop of new hardware either out or coming out in the next month that makes Photon look like a toy! I'm not saying it bad, but if your going to upgrade, go top dog!
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Really? I love my Photon also, but there is crop of new hardware either out or coming out in the next month that makes Photon look like a toy! I'm not saying it bad, but if your going to upgrade, go top dog!
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Until you're quad-core, I put MoPho up there with anything. There are kernels out to get 1.4ghz which on a tegra2 is more than adequate. For half (or better) the money Photon has HUGE value. SGS3 is right around the corner, though, and we have to expect that several other Quad's are right there with it. (obviously pertaining to US domestic carriers) Waiting is probably the best option, but if that is not an option, the MoPho is serious.
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Really? I love my Photon also, but there is crop of new hardware either out or coming out in the next month that makes Photon look like a toy! I'm not saying it bad, but if your going to upgrade, go top dog!
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So, what do the new phones do that the Photon does not do in its size/form factor? I have all the memory and CPU power I need now. Wrt my Intel desktops, I reached the same point several years ago - a quad core 8GB box is more than I need. I understand that some people want more for (1) valid uses like gaming and simulation, (2) hobby purposes - just want to have the latest & I acknowledge as a geek that this is a valid reason!
Serious question - I carry an ultralight laptop (Win7), tablet (ICS) and a phone. My Photon's screen is perfectly sized for a phone and my pocket, but not big enough for other uses - BUT, my pockets are not big enough for a tablet. So, my phone is pocketable, while tablet and laptop go in the briefcase/bag.
IMHO, Android phones have peaked in terms of size/performance for a pocketable device. They are commodities now - what am I missing?
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Until you're quad-core, I put MoPho up there with anything. There are kernels out to get 1.4ghz which on a tegra2 is more than adequate. For half (or better) the money Photon has HUGE value. SGS3 is right around the corner, though, and we have to expect that several other Quad's are right there with it. (obviously pertaining to US domestic carriers) Waiting is probably the best option, but if that is not an option, the MoPho is serious.
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Like your post. Agree.
But - what am I going do with a quad-core and a 4" screen? My second core is rarely used today! 1 or 2 cores seems to be plenty for a 4.x" screen. Battery tech is NOT keeping pace with more cores in a pocketable phone. Thoughts?
buy one htc hd 2 <--- this phone run all the OS
Photon would be great, until the *censored* upgraded the bootloader to a locked version, incapable of an OEM unlock.
I absolutely love my Photon 4G. By far the fastest phone I have ever owned. Especially with the Dual Core and the official ICS being released in Q4 from Motorola.
MB855 Custom rom on ISW11M
will the rom of MB855(Sprint) work on ISW11M(AU KDDI)?
is there any difference between the two? will the custom rom works on both device?
pls help
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Attention!
In light of all the posts that are deleted and/or closed due to many off-topic posts about what device a person should buy, I have created this official thread.
Although XDA is not a place to extensively talk about what device person should buy, some forums permit it. So to help keep the threads a little cleaner, you may post your questions here.
Granted there are other sites more into device reviews and comparisons, but in the interest of keeping some people happy, and to avoid getting posts deleted, this thread is created for people who have no idea what device to get.
In the end, you should still march your happy self to a shop, and play with the devices that are available. Only then will you be satisfied with your purchase.
Any posts elsewhere asking such questions, that should be in this thread, will still be deleted or closed. This includes posting multi-duplicated posts in several forums outside of official threads.
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Is a used Photon right for me?
Hey all...
I'm on Sprint and I have about 17 months left in my contract. I used to have a Samsung Galaxy S2, which I really liked, but I lost it and have had to go back to my old HTC Hero (yikes).
Anyways, so I was going to buy another Galaxy S2, seems like used ones go for around $225 - $250 on ebay, but then I realized that I'm planning a trip to Europe (Iceland and Germany) this summer, and my girlfriend has a CDMA phone (Verizon Galaxy S3, which is a great phone but too much $$$ for me to buy off-contract). I'm hoping to buy prepaid simcards in Iceland and Germany, so I can use data while I'm out and about (especially maps).
So it seems like the Photon is the only recent Android phone on Sprint that has GSM support, and it's a bit cheaper that the Galaxy S2 on eBay. From what I've read online, it seems like the phone is a good choice, with more or less the same specs and screen size as the Galaxy S2. Can anyone give me some advice?
The potential downsides I am worried about are:
The Photon is officially at EOL. (I don't care that much if it works well.)
It seems like there were some conflicting reports about whether the Photon supported GSM 1800? But more recent posts I've read seem to indicate using a prepaid simcard in Europe mostly just works (maybe with having to run a utility to tweak ASNs).
It might not ever get the ICS update. (I don't really care that much - I'm happy using Cyanogen or a similar ROM if I need to.)
It kind of seems from this forum like people are ditching this phone in droves.
Some people seem to think this phone is kind of unreliable.
As far as my usage, I mostly run fairly simple apps like maps, foursquare, nytimes and the web browser, but I like those apps to run fast. Games are not my top priority but I like them OK.
Are there any other GSM / "world" phones on Sprint that might be worth looking into?
Photon is very good one
i've been using this phone for 2 weeks, i've trying different ROMs, it's amazing how this phone is rock and fast.
the only problem that i've faced with it is when i unlocked it i've lost the 4G. no way to get it back as you want to use it with any GSM carries in the USA.
but anyone who lives out of US will not face this problem as he will not have to unlock it.
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Moreover, it supposed to be an official ICS for photon after 2 months and i'm waiting it.
Now all the available ICS for this phone have major bugs.
imo...
ive owned many android phones between me and my wife weve had pretty much every phone from sprint, using the upgrades every year.......she has a s2 i have a photon (atm)
her s2...unrooted stock has an amazing screen very vivid decently fast no lag from what ive seen, sprints 3g blows no 4g in my area and wifi ( my wifi router) blows major ballzack... you can buy one of these (s2) from bestbuy using an upgrade/or new 2yr agreement right now for $49.99.. the photon for $29.99.... the photon as long as it doesnt come loaded with the new ota is a amazing purchase for 29.99 with the ota expect to only be able to root for now until someone fingers unlocking out....but the photon is incredible fast when i first bought it running stock and no root i was amazed at how snappy and receptive it was.... everything loaded so fast (coming from a htc hero mind you ), net was loaded decentl;y quick and the screen was very bright... then i rooted unlocked and flashed roms....(even built a few) still photon impressed me any issues i had charge that puppy up sbf and start all over neverbrick if you would......so many options with from ics,jb,miui,aokp's,PA, **** man list goes on and on..........and with the future promise of a stoock ics the photon is one hell of a purchase.....however......
im up for an upgrade and im looking at the s3 intently....... but at same time im wanting to wait for the next best thing...thought would be the PQ but after reading and reading on the specs and what can be expected of/from it IJDK......thinking of getting away from motorola since they have been so uncooperative with unlocking the bootloader and system updates
I personally think no phone right now is a significant upgrade from the Photon, however my mind might change once the Note 2 or the next Nexus device comes out. A lot of current phones are using older gpus which aren't a big step up from the Tegra, however the new Adreno and Exynos GPUs are supposed to come out towards the end of the year which is a bit exciting.
This looks like an interesting idea... too little too late?
http://blog.htc.com/2013/03/htc-one-developer-edition/
I don't understand the concept of developer edition phones at all. They're never subsidized, so no one other than developers would even be interested, and the developers aren't interested because no one else has them. Samsung did that with the Verizon S3, and all the dev community did was give Samsung and Verizon a collective middle finger and crack the bootloader on the regular one.
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I don't understand the concept of developer edition phones at all. They're never subsidized, so no one other than developers would even be interested, and the developers aren't interested because no one else has them. Samsung did that with the Verizon S3, and all the dev community did was give Samsung and Verizon a collective middle finger and crack the bootloader on the regular one.
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pretty much - I don't know what the point really is either. Subsidize them through a carrier so you can have a warranty honored through the carrier and they'd be gold. However, it's interesting to see HTC focusing on "pleasing the developers" with hardware like this but not keeping up with support for "older" phones which us more important and truly "pleases the developers" at the same time.
well....i gotta buy mine full price anyway...mind as well get the developer one right?
I though verizon will not get HTC one?
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I though verizon will not get HTC one?
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they are now. the jumped on the bandwagon. it wont be released on launch date like the others though and will probably be renamed to Droid something.
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they are now. the jumped on the bandwagon. it wont be released on launch date like the others though and will probably be renamed to Droid something.
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I'm pretty sure that's still only in speculation stage, and that Verizon might turn around any day now and say they weren't going to get it after all.
Even if Verizon does get it, they'll probably gimp the specs and storage down, stick their Verizon branding all over it, and change the physical design just enough so that other HTC One accessories won't work with it.
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I'm pretty sure that's still only in speculation stage, and that Verizon might turn around any day now and say they weren't going to get it after all.
Even if Verizon does get it, they'll probably gimp the specs and storage down, stick their Verizon branding all over it, and change the physical design just enough so that other HTC One accessories won't work with it.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57574109-94/verizon-will-reportedly-sell-the-htc-one-after-all/
Its officaly getting the One but they might just rename it to something with "Droid" in front of it.
The Dev edition is a cop out. It allows them to say look hackers, tinkerers, and general Android enthusiasts we offer an unlocked phone. That way when we say how come we have all these locked phones? They can simply point out the dev edition. That's all its for this way HTC can snuggle up nice and cozy with Verizon and its large network of users and reap profit but seem user friendly. Its a bunch of crap and I hope T-Mo gets better and more people buy into its system so that others need to compete with their structure for mobile. (A guy can dream right)
I like the One, first phone I've been excited about since the Rezound was announced.