There have been quite a few threads on Prime's WiFi speed. However, I believe no-one has done a test, results of which I show below. I wanted to compare WiFi speed of the Prime and my Dell laptop. Speedtest.net measures internet speed, which is bound to fluctuate as server load and access time change. So, I decided to measure things locally. The methodology is as follows.
First, I created five text files with randomly generated ASCII characters. Each of these files was 50 Mb (52428800 bytes) in size. Then, I placed them on a local HTTP server. Since I don't have any program/app both on Windows/Android to precisely measure download time/speed, I used a simplified approach, consistent on both devices. I opened Chrome browser and measured how long it takes to download each file using a stopwatch. I did not ask Chrome to "save as" file, as it can start pre-loading the file before I confirm. I created a simple web page with links to all five files and clicked them one by one, waiting until entire file was open in the window. I simply watched the indicator in the tab, until it stopped spinning. By using five separate files I avoided problems with caching. In order to rule out any trend in our local server speed, I alternated the files, downloading the first file to the Dell and then to the Prime, then the second file and so on.
This is not the most accurate method, but sufficient enough for this purpose. I repeated the experiment five times, so I could estimate measurement errors. The results (download time, in seconds) are presented below:
Dell Latitude E6500 with Windows 7, 4 GB RAM
Transformer Prime, S/N C10KAS######, build .14
Dell Prime
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39.4 101.0
37.1 102.4
40.8 101.7
38.7 102.8
38.9 100.0
which converted into speeds (Mbytes / s) gives:
Dell Prime
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1.27 0.495
1.35 0.488
1.23 0.492
1.29 0.486
1.26 0.500
As you can see, there is not much variability in either sample, and the mean speed (with standard error) is 1.28(0.02) and 0.492(0.002) Mbytes per second, for Dell and Prime, respectively. Ergo, the Dell is about 2.6 times faster downloading (large) files than the Prime.
I leave the reason for this rather huge difference open to discussion. Is it the WiFi adapter in the Prime? Is it processor speed? Memory? Storage? I don't know. The fact is that download speeds on my Prime are much slower than on my Dell.
I haven't done experiment like this before .14 upgrade, so I have no idea how it looked like before.
Edit: In the follow-up to the discussion below I have done internet speed tests. This is all done on a fast university network, which shows speeds of up to 500 Mbps, when measured from a wired desktop. The result is interesting: both laptop and the Prime show similar speeds of about 2.3 Mbytes/s. This is much faster than local download speed. I can only guess that speedtest.net is streaming data and counting arriving packets, so it measures the actual WiFi speed. My download test involved opening the file in the browser, which requires lots of memory and some processing. Perhaps processing data in the browser takes a lot of time, hence the difference.
What about distance from the router?
What distances were these done at. What about varying the distance?
The Prime is known to have the Achilles heel of quickly dropping off throughput when you distance yourself from the router. I would be curious a) What distance these tests were done at, and b) to see what they are like at even further (or perhaps closer as well) distances.
No doubt about it though; the numbers you are getting from your Prime are not too swift. Question. Are you affected by any usability issues, such as buffering etc., when streaming video? How is overall performance?
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What distances were these done at. What about varying the distance?
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Both devices were sitting on the desk next to each other. The distance to the nearest router is about 3 meters. The router is on the ceiling with nothing in the line of site.
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No doubt about it though; the numbers you are getting from your Prime are not too swift. Question. Are you affected by any usability issues, such as buffering etc., when streaming video? How is overall performance?
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I don't have any particular usability issues. The tablet feels positively quick and responsive when using the interface, playing games and so on. However, web browsing is rather sluggish in compare with the Dell. Web pages that open almost instantaneously on the Dell can take quite a few seconds on the Prime. On the other hand, I can stream video clips, for example from BBC news, with no problems.
What kind of ping times to the router from each of the devices?
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What kind of ping times to the router from each of the devices?
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Good question. I get about 2 ms on the Dell and about 8 ms from the Prime, to the local server. But these results are quite variable and I haven't done proper statistical processing.
You should specify the WNIC in laptop, rather than the laptop itself.
You're testing for the optimal case (close-range, no obstruction). A test of 10+ meters, ie one or two rooms away, with some obstructions, would be more representative. Rather than finding that the laptop performs better than the Prime, which is pretty much a given, it would be more informative to see how the Prime does with respect to distance & obstruction.
Since speed bottleneck typically involves video content (streaming) or large file transfer, it would be more accurate to larger non-compressible files for transfer, or streaming. A good test would be to stream 1080p, and gradually stretching the distance until drop-offs are noticed.
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You should specify the WNIC in laptop, rather than the laptop itself.
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I'm not sure. Device manager says "Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN".
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Since speed bottleneck typically involves video content (streaming) or large file transfer, it would be more accurate to larger non-compressible files for transfer, or streaming. A good test would be to stream 1080p, and gradually stretching the distance until drop-offs are noticed.
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I'm not sure how to measure streaming speed (apart from spotting drop-offs, but that's subjective). I picked a simple method to measure file transfer speed on both machines under optimal conditions.
The 5100 is an older draft-N dual-band unit with a 1x2 (1 xmit, 2 rcv) arrangement, supposedly capable of 300Mb/s. Most laptop wifi are 1x2 or 2x2, with a few 3x3. In constrast, most mobiles are 1x1, with smaller antennas. So it's a given that laptops will have better wifi reception. You don't need to test for that. Test for something you don't already know about.
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The 5100 is an older draft-N dual-band unit with a 1x2 (1 xmit, 2 rcv) arrangement, supposedly capable of 300Mb/s. Most laptop wifi are 1x2 or 2x2, with a few 3x3. In constrast, most mobiles are 1x1, with smaller antennas. So it's a given that laptops will have better wifi reception. You don't need to test for that. Test for something you don't already know about.
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I don't know what "1 xmit, 2rcv" is and how it affects transfer speed. If by "reception" you mean received signal strength, this is not an issue as I am sitting very close to the router and have a very strong signal both on the Prime and the laptop. And yet the tablet is much slower in file transfers.
Are you suggesting this is due to less capable WiFi component (antenna, adapter, whatever it is)?
1x2 = one antenna is used to transmit, and two to receive; it means max 150 Mb/s uplink and 300 Mb/s downlink (downlink speed matters more, as you'd expect). These are theoretical speeds, and real throughput is substantially less.
Antennas in mobile devices are smaller and less robust than those in laptops, and there usually is only one for wifi (hence 1x1), whereas in laptops you have two ants. Mobile devices also use SDIO interface that reportedly limits speed to 30-40 Mb/s.
I'm saying that wifi in mobile devices (phones, tablets) is inherently limited, and can't be expected to perform on par with laptops. Comparison against other mobiles, or against itself with varying distance, would be more fruitful.
In any case, it's an academic exercise, since you can't change out for a different antenna or wifi module. There was talk of the Prime being able to run Ethernet USB adapters, and I had asked for some to try out wifi USB adapters, but none responded. I take that to mean USB wifi isn't currently operable w/o a custom kernel.
I recently had 2 primes. They both showed equal signal strenght with wifi analyzer but speedtest.net shows 1 getting half the speed as the other. I returned that one even though it had a 90% working gps (was still off by 30+ ft and didnt track me well during turn by turn).
For sure its hardware (maybe pogo pins not making good contact or bad PCB) since I updated both to ICS .14 and it didn't affect speedtest results.
I have no server, but performed a very similar test.
I used WiFi File explorer PRO to transfer a large file from my computer. To do this I connected my laptop to the router with cable. I placed the Prime close to the router, something like half a meter. Result:
File size 726581248 bytes, time 298 seconds.
If I calculate well this means 19000 kbps or 2.325 MB/s. Not bad...
I was testing this exact method two nights ago. I'll do it again and post the results. I'll have three devices... evo4g, evo3d and my prime at a distance of about 30 feet. I'll even throw in laptop speed just for fun.
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I realize that you wanted to test your wireless speed, not your internet connection speed. The results you got on the Prime translate to roughly 4-5 Mbps.
Do you have a fast intenet connection (Cable Modem) that's capable of, say, 10+ Mbps?
What kind of speeds do you see on the Prime at speedtest.net? Assuming that your internet connection is not a bottleneck, I'd expect that you'll see something similar to your simple wireless tests. I'm particularly curious if you see significantly higher speeds at Speedtest. This wouldn't jive well with your wireless tests.
My speedtest.net results tops around 11000 kbps after running it several times. Unfortunately only in the same room with the router. This is OK since this is the maximum of my net.
ok here are my tests. I will start with my Asus G73jh laptop..
My Evo3D
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Here is TFP right at the router, about 1.5 feet away
Like I said before, this is 30 feet away through a wall and a LCD tv. I have no problems with WiFi. I think I have a newer model, not sure.
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1x2 = one antenna is used to transmit, and two to receive; it means max 150 Mb/s uplink and 300 Mb/s downlink (downlink speed matters more, as you'd expect). These are theoretical speeds, and real throughput is substantially less.
Antennas in mobile devices are smaller and less robust than those in laptops, and there usually is only one for wifi (hence 1x1), whereas in laptops you have two ants. Mobile devices also use SDIO interface that reportedly limits speed to 30-40 Mb/s.
I'm saying that wifi in mobile devices (phones, tablets) is inherently limited, and can't be expected to perform on par with laptops. Comparison against other mobiles, or against itself with varying distance, would be more fruitful.
In any case, it's an academic exercise, since you can't change out for a different antenna or wifi module. There was talk of the Prime being able to run Ethernet USB adapters, and I had asked for some to try out wifi USB adapters, but none responded. I take that to mean USB wifi isn't currently operable w/o a custom kernel.
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Well, I suppose it's more or less still messing with the kernel... But WiFi adapters have been made to work with the Prime.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484339
This is getting weird. As I mentioned in the original post, I intended to measure WiFi transfer speed, not internet speed. But since I have done it on a fast network at my work (university), I thought I might give an internet test a try.
Speedtest.net app shows speeds around 17-19 Mbps, which is about 2.3 Mbytes per second. This is over 4 times faster than my local download speed. This is rather unexpected, and unless speedtest.net is lying, there is an issue with our local transfers.
I believe speedtest.net streams down some data and measures it as it arrives. Perhaps streaming is done in a different way than downloading a big file? Or perhaps downloading requires further processing - storing in local storage, which might slow things down. I have just realized that I was actually opening a 50-Mb web page in the browser. This might be the real reason for much slower speeds of the tablet. I guess I would have to done the test differently, downloading a file directly into storage, though this would still be slowed down by the lack of processing power.
I have edited the original post to include these comments.
PS: At work, my wireless laptop shows a very stable 20 Mbps, and my desktop, which is wired, shows speeds varying widely from 50 to 500 Mbps.
PS2: I tried speedtest.net on the tablet again, standing directly under the WiFi repeater. This gives speeds almost 20 Mbps. I think our WiFi network is limited to 20 Mbps.
@ Felisek
You may try with WiFi File Explorer PRO. It seems there is a bottleneck somewhere in your test environment. This is just an idea.
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Whenever I do the speed test with my phone, the highest score I've been able to get is 1.27 mbps, but on average its about .80. I live near chicago so I figured I'd get better speeds and I noticed many people are getting up to 5 mbps.
Is there a radio update I need or is this the phone, or is it the area? I test it when i'm outside with clear skies and it stills only shows that much.
I usually get great speeds. My maximum has been near 7 mbit/sec down., and my average is 3 mbit/s.
When I hold my phone tightly, the signal goes down, but I never lose a call or any bandwidth. Try putting the phone on a table.
When I had my G1 I was having crappy speeds (maximum 1.5 mbit/s down, average 0.8 mbit/s) compared to what T-Mobile is capable of. Your problems could be location. Maybe, just maybe, it's the device, but I highly doubt that.
have u try to installed Lagfix? just my 2 cents.
Yes I did. Its been great for the overall function on the phone, but hasn't really affected the date speed.
Alright, so I performed a speedtest to see how my Wifi is doing.
2 bars; in my bedroom. I get from 8 to 3 Mbps.
4 bars; standing directly beside the Wifi router. I get 15-33 Mbps.
I had 8 Mbps at 2 bars when I had Balanced mode on, and 3 Mpbs 2 bars when I turned on Performance mode. However, I got 15 Mbps 4 bars on Balanced mode and 33 Mbps 4 bars on Performance mode. What...? That makes no sense. So I get a better signal far away when I'm on Balanced mode, and a worse signal far away when in Performance. Hm. I got high MS response times whenever I was in Performance mode, no matter where I was, 2 bars or 4 bars.
I am on the latest .14 update.
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Also note: I ran speedtest.net on my desktop, which is in my bedroom (where my Prime gets 2 bars), and it gets 37 Mbps.
The power mode should have no real impact on WiFi performance. Looking at your numbers they are kinda all over the place regardless of power mode or distance. Since you only posted 2 speeds on high performance mode and one of them is high and the other is low, I would assume something was holding your networks attention during the test where you got lower speeds.
Realistically you need to run a speed test a dozen times or so with a given distance and setting and then average the results in order to get any kind of meaningful numbers for comparison.
However in very basic terms, the closer you are to your WiFi source and the stronger your signal is, the faster your speeds will be. Having said that there are an thousand factors not visible to you that can affect a simple speed test.
Alright, so I did some more speed tests. The performance mode does not effect the Wifi, I was just being a bit paranoid.
However, in my room, I'll get anywhere from 4 Mbps up to 15 Mbps. Usually I get 6-8. (Again, this is at two bars.)
It's really annoying that even when the tablet is sitting literally right next to the router, I'm getting 33 Mbps, yet my desktop is getting 37 and up to 45 when I'm in the bedroom.
No, I don't expect Desktop-level Wifi performance, but this is just strange.
EDIT: If anyone's wondering, I have a 50 Mbps internet. (However, like most ISPs, it's never truly going to be at their advertised speeds.)
The wifi performance on this Prime is making it really hard to keep it. My laptop can stream a1080p movie over my wireless router, but sitting right next to the laptop the prime can barely even load a web page. The router is all of 30ft away.
Wifi performs the same on my desktop and tp but I have a pos wireless card in my ancient pc. I can't tell if I have wifi issues or not. I have always had a bad connection.
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The wifi performance on this Prime is making it really hard to keep it. My laptop can stream a1080p movie over my wireless router, but sitting right next to the laptop the prime can barely even load a web page. The router is all of 30ft away.
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If you are getting wifi performance that makes the device unusable bring it back or swap it for another one. Wifi performance is a known issue so you should be able to get an RMA either from the location you bought the tab or from Asus.
I got lucky with my Prime as my wifi speeds are basically the same on my Prime as they are on my phone, both of which are just slightly slower than my Windows laptop. Wifi performance really seems to be luck of the draw among the earlier TF Prime units.
Okay, wow, I really shouldn't be so paranoid.
I put my Tablet and phone side-by-side and ran at least 6 speed tests on each one. Also, I went in and manually changed the host server, which made the speeds higher.
My phone got around 10 Mbps while my tablet consistently got 16 Mbps.
Have to say that relying on real-life usage is probably more important than speed tests.
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The wifi performance on this Prime is making it really hard to keep it. My laptop can stream a1080p movie over my wireless router, but sitting right next to the laptop the prime can barely even load a web page. The router is all of 30ft away.
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What kind of a router is it, wireless G? lol.
I have occasional issues, but on my prime its more dependent on what router im connected to.
my wrt54gl with dd-wrt works well i turned up the power on it, i tested the asus rt-n12 thats good i can stream 720p. basically anything with 2 antennas has worked well with my prime but single antenna ones are only good within like 5 metres
For me, I am getting better speed on my Prime than on my phone (Galaxy Nexus) but when compared to a laptop it seems to be dependent on the network. On my home network, I get really slow speed from my prime compared to my laptop but if I try on the college network I would get about the same speed. I highly suspect it is a problem with the Wifi driver on the Prime. My laptop was also getting bad speed on my home network until I updated the driver.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. Seeing how much value I've received from this group over the past while, I thought I would finally share something that some of you will hopefully find useful.
I performed a semi-scientific experiment for this .14 recent update (upgraded from .11) to check for any WiFi improvement. Before the update, I sat in a notoriously difficult spot away from our router and ran SpeedTest several times in succession and got these results:
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Downloads consistently under 3 Mbps (our ISP caps us at 25Mbps, by the way).
Without moving or changing my position/posture, I patiently requested, downloaded, and applied the .14 update. It took about 10 minutes while I stared out the window and it was smooth update, with no issues. Then, I ran SpeedTest again several times, and got these results:
Notice the overall improvement, in some cases quite a dramatic lift in both down and up speeds. Pings seemed roughly within the same range as before, for the most part.
Now, it's possible that several things could have influenced these results: maybe the SpeedTest provider was experience heavy traffic when I first ran the test, but that traffic had cleared 10 minutes later? Or maybe there was some WiFi interference the first time that had passed by the time I had updated the firmware? But taken as a single data point (without testing it for statistical significance), this lends some credibility to ASUS's claim that this .14 update has improved the WiFi performance.
On a related note though, I find it somewhat curious (and perhaps troubling) that even the .14 results have a very high degree of variability from one moment to the next. eg. within a 3 minute span, my d/l speed ranged from 2.32 Mbps to 7.75 Mbps (while 10 minutes earlier, they were all quite consistently in the 2.3-2.9 Mbps range).
Oh, and as for GPS? No birds before, no birds after. Though, I'm in a well-constructed building and it's an overcast day.
[EDIT: FYI, my Prime is a C1 model]
Not sure why buy on .13 my wifi signal kept dropping (it was worse than when I was on .12) but on .14 signals seems to be more stable and comparable to my other devices.
We need to stop doing WiFi tests using SpeedTest. It's good of you to post your results here, but unfortunately, there's nothing "scientific" about testing wifi bandwidth with SpeedTest.
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We need to stop doing WiFi tests using SpeedTest. It's good of you to post your results here, but unfortunately, there's nothing "scientific" about testing wifi bandwidth with SpeedTest.
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Ditto
Speedtest does not test router throughput.
In a perfect world, a wireless g router will transfer at 54 Mbps so the bottleneck would be your internet connection not the wifi connection. To test your router throughput, the easiest way is just transfer a big file 500 MB there and back.
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Speedtest does not test router throughput.
In a perfect world, a wireless g router will transfer at 54 Mbps so the bottleneck would be your internet connection not the wifi connection. To test your router throughput, the easiest way is just transfer a big file 500 MB there and back.
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We're not building rockets, buddy. Speedtest will do fine. Noticed a huge improvement in wifi after update though.
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I also tested the new update's influence on WiFi signal. I used WiFi analyzer. Before the update I consistently got -65 on my throne.. After the update I am consistently getting around -70. So actually the signal has deteriorated. I do however find the browser to work better, with fewer lockups. Overally, nothing drastic came with the update.
Just applied the ww .14 update. Made zero difference to my wifi
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I read most of the posts here; but, seldom post. I wanted to determine how badly my WiFi drops off, if it in fact does. What follows is the result of my unscientific testing.
My Prime is serial BCOKASxxxxx.
I have a Linksys E4200 Wireless unit on the second floor of my wood framed house in Anchorage, Alaska.
With the prime approximately 4 feet from the router, I downloaded a 37Mb PDF two times and timed the process. One took 43 seconds, the the second took 41 seconds. I quickly went out of the house onto the edge of the street approximately 50 feet from the router and downloaded the same file two more times (from the same server). This time, the downloads took 124 seconds and 132 seconds. Browser used was Dolphin.
That seems to be a significant difference; but, I don't know what the numbers really mean.
I next repeated the test with my Dell XPS Laptop running the latest FireFox with a download accelerator running and obtained 19 seconds, and 23 seconds.
Out to the street (exact same location), and the times were 27 seconds and 32 seconds.
I did some math, and determined that the Prime took 3 times longer to download the same file at 50 feet from the router, than it did at 4 feet.
The Dell took 1.4 times as long.
Of course, there are variables (different browsers and a download accelerator); still, that seems to verify (at least to me) that the WiFi in the Prime is somewhat weaker than other devices (based on only a sample of one).
Jerry in Anchorage
I have a c2oka series prime. Made a comparison downloading a 37 MB file from my providers website (mysql.netvisao.pt) about 10 mts away from my belkin 600 router with my sgs2 and my prime, using Dolphin HD in both cases. The results were very clear! The prime took 1 min 25 secs to complete the download while the sgs2 did the same job in 40 seconds.
There is no doubt that something is very wrong with Prime's wifi.
1) this is a known issue, you could have posted this in the "known issues with prime" thread on the main page
2) time of download is irrelevant for this, why not just use the speedtest app that tells you how much bandwith you are getting in Mb/s? Test it at different distances 3x each distance, average the #s you have a good idea of exactly how much Mb/s bandwidth you lose/foot or w/e you want to do with the math.
In the short time I've owned my TP, I've been seeing very inconsistent performance of Wi-Fi connections. The short answer is that turning off mixed mode on my routers has drastically improved performance and consistency.
For those who don't know what I mean, the routers have a setting for Network mode with settings like "Wireless G Only", "Wireless N Only" and Mixed meaning that both can be used.
My routers are both Cisco/Linksys, one an E3200 and the other an E2500. The mode on the 2500 was set to N only because that one is used solely for streaming video to my 2 TV's which both have N available. The E3200 was in mixed mode because we have a mix laptops, one of which is an older model that doesn't have N.
On the router with mixed mode, the TP would be reporting Good to Excellent signal strength and connection speeds of 50 - 65 Mbps. However actual performance on the TP would be very inconsistent and speedtest.net usually only reported 3 Mbps. When I tried connecting to the router that was N only, I suddenly started getting a consistent 20 - 25 Mbps.
So, on the E3200 that was previously set to mixed mode, I changed it to G only and now I'm getting 20 - 25 Mbps out of that one too. I had to make it G only instead of N to accommodate the old laptop. Anyway, that change completely cured my wifi issues - at least at home. I haven't taken it on the road yet but obviously I can't control the settings on someone else router.
For reference, on my desktop PC that is wired into the E3200 router, speedtest.net consistently reports about 31 - 32 Mbps (Charter cable promises me 30 so they are true to their word). So with mixed mode turned off, the TP isn't getting that much less speed than the desktop's wired connection.