Desire has Downgrade HBOOT, so you can return to stock completely. How is possible with complete access to the system to have pure HBOOT, aka not relocked? Can be the same be done with E3D as well?
Terepin said:
Desire has Downgrade HBOOT, so you can return to stock completely. How is possible with complete access to the system to have pure HBOOT, aka not relocked? Can be the same be done with E3D as well?
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If by "pure HBOOT, aka not relocked" you're meaning after "relocking" the bootloader having it NOT display "relocked", this is only possible using the Revolutionary method.
The official HTC unlock method does not allow this, at least on the CDMA version of the EVO 3D. On the GSM version, the limitation of the official unlock method can be bypassed, probably very similar to the Desire method by downgrading the Hboot, then using the revolutionary method.
If that isn't clear enough, or the question is different, please add more detail.
Hope that helps clarify!
Yes, I unlocked bootloader with HTC tool, then downgraded HBOOT and S-OFFed. After using both RUU and manual update, the "relock" status was back. Why?
Terepin said:
Yes, I unlocked bootloader with HTC tool, then downgraded HBOOT and S-OFFed. After using both RUU and manual update, the "relock" status was back. Why?
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The CDMA device doesn't have this option and that is generally the crowd I hear from the most. You're the first GSM user to confirm that after downgrading and being s-off with revolutionary, once bootloader is upgraded and re-locked, it will display as "relocked".
Off the top of my head, there aren't too many divergent paths to take, but more details to your process would help.
While running Revolutionary and S-OFF, directly upgrade either via RUU or flashing an updated bootloader. At this point, does the updated bootloader show Relocked?
If not, is the internal memory still unlocked? If so, is the internal memory locked?
Depending on this outcome, we can formulate the next steps. At this point, we would want to know:
1) what is displayed on the bootloader, locked, unlocked or relocked?
2) what is the *real* status of the internal memory, write protected or write unprotected?
The question really hangs on how the latest stock bootloader determines the lock, unlocked and relocked status which it displays. This can be considered fairly low level and there is not a lot of publicly posted information or research on this specific topic.
Any feedback or testing you want to provide would be help and informative! The CDMA version of the EVO 3D can't perform these tests, only the GSM version is able to downgrade, as far as we've seen.
Hope that helps!
Version of HBOOT is irrelevant, when I replace it with ship HBOOT it says *unlocked*, yet still S-OFF. Only ENG HBOOT will remove it, but after replacing it will bring it back.
But you gave me an idea. I'm going to try to replace HBOOT, then unlock it, S-OFF again and then to re-flash stock ROM.
EDIT: I still have access to NAND memory.
Yeah, that didn't help.
I have a theory that it must be something outside HBOOT.
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Two lines of my digitizer are dead, so I am sending my unit back to Best Buy for repairs. They don't care about rooting, etc, since it is a clear hardware issue. I plan to send it in with S-Off on the most up-to-date Sprint rom in factory reset state.
My question is this: What is the maximum precautions I can take to prevent an update to HBoot 1.5?
Edit: Would installing the eng hboot prevent any sort of automatic update from reapplying S-ON?
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Two lines of my digitizer are dead, so I am sending my unit back to Best Buy for repairs. They don't care about rooting, etc, since it is a clear hardware issue. I plan to send it in with S-Off on the most up-to-date Sprint rom in factory reset state.
My question is this: What is the maximum precautions I can take to prevent an update to HBoot 1.5?
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Updating to HBOOT 1.50 does not turn the phone S-On. You can still flash a different HBOOT if you are S-off and 1.50. As long as they give you back your phone (and not a different one), you should be fine.
It seems I am asking the wrong question. Without pushing the "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3" command on purpose, is there any way I could lose S-Off? I haven't heard of anyone having full S-Off and HBoot 1.5
Din65 said:
It seems I am asking the wrong question. Without pushing the "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3" command on purpose, is there any way I could lose S-Off? I haven't heard of anyone having full S-Off and HBoot 1.5
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No, there is no way to lose s-off by applying any current HTC updates. I updated to HBOOT 1.50 from an S-off phone and it just said LOCKED at the top of the screen while in bootloader. I could still flash things like normal (if I remember correctly). I downgraded my HBOOT to the ENG version using the PG86IMG.zip method. It flashes fine (unlike an S-on HBoot 1.50 device), but I don't think the fastboot method of writing the HBOOT worked for me.
I just want to confirm, flashing the most up-to-date RUU will NOT turn on S-ON, nor will any other update besides a firmware level, targeted command?
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I just want to confirm, flashing the most up-to-date RUU will NOT turn on S-ON, nor will any other update besides a firmware level, targeted command?
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Was I that unclear? I've flashed both of the ruu's containing hboot 1.50 and am still s-off. I even did HTC's unlock while on 1.50 just for fun. I'm now on the eng hboot. No current update does anything to reset the security flag.
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I had my HTC amaze unlocked with s-off and a modded hboot I then updated to a new ICS firmware to run ICS however when the firmware flashed to my phone it locked my phone and reset my hboot but still kept s-off. Is there anyway to unlock my phone again? If anyone has any help please let me know I already tried to unlock it through HTdev website and it did not work!!!
If you are s=off, then you don't need to unlock your bootloader. I'm assuming you have eng bootloader, and with that, you don't need to unlock anything.
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I had my HTC amaze unlocked with s-off and a modded hboot I then updated to a new ICS firmware to run ICS however when the firmware flashed to my phone it locked my phone and reset my hboot but still kept s-off. Is there anyway to unlock my phone again? If anyone has any help please let me know I already tried to unlock it through HTdev website and it did not work!!!
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HTC dev website is the way i did it, and it worked perfect for me. What method did you use that didn't allow you to unlock your phone?
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If any of you read correctly, he said he unlocked it before, therefore, all he has to do is place the unlock_code file in hasoon's tool's data folder and run the unlock bootloader option, voila he's back to being unlocked, though the relocking sounds kind of odd, but it could probably be due to the hboot he was using, I'm guessing was Juopunutbear's or something.
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If any of you read correctly, he said he unlocked it before, therefore, all he has to do is place the unlock_code file in hasoon's tool's data folder and run the unlock bootloader option, voila he's back to being unlocked, though the relocking sounds kind of odd, but it could probably be due to the hboot he was using, I'm guessing was Juopunutbear's or something.
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I did read it, the old unlock bin does not work with new ics so he has to redo everything once more....
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Well my old unlock bin worked fine for me re-unlocking on ICS, guess I was lucky, okay cool, my bad.
Yes I had hboot from Juopunutbear when I did the s-off it asked to install his hboot but after I upgraded it changed my hboot back to 1.93.0002 and it is SHIP s-off not eng which I am not totally sure what the difference is but is there a way to change SHIP back to ENG????? I am going to give HTCdev another chance and see what happens... thanks for the input and help
ok so I just tried HTCdev again and it unlocked my phone however it did a hard reset the only thing I have to do now is to have eng s-off instead of ship s-off.
pharmhand said:
ok so I just tried HTCdev again and it unlocked my phone however it did a hard reset the only thing I have to do now is to have eng s-off instead of ship s-off.
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Just flash the eng hboot via bootloader, though you don't need to, unless you plan to do fastboot commands, which the average user doesn't have much need for, hasoon's tool does everything you need, recovery, root, etc, though I do recommend 4EXT recovery, which you can easily install after obtaining root.
I just successfully performed S-off but my bootloader changed to "locked". Is that normal?
Also, I declined to install jp modified hboot because I was not sure what it was. Do I have to install another hboot after S-off?
S-OFF > unlocked bootloader. You don't need an unlocked bootloader when you are S-OFF.
With a stock locked bootloader you won't be able to use most fastboot commands. That's the purpose of the jpbear hboot. It allows you to use them without unlocking. However, if you ever go back S-ON, you have to have a stock bootloader or you'll brick, so you should only use a modded hboot if you need the fastboot commands. Otherwise, stock is just fine.
I read a lot about this subject in this thread last night:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1852228
Could give you some useful info on the pros and cons of flashing the j-nut hboot or not and keeping locked or unlocking.
shrike1978 said:
S-OFF > unlocked bootloader. You don't need an unlocked bootloader when you are S-OFF.
With a stock locked bootloader you won't be able to use most fastboot commands. That's the purpose of the jpbear hboot. It allows you to use them without unlocking. However, if you ever go back S-ON, you have to have a stock bootloader or you'll brick, so you should only use a modded hboot if you need the fastboot commands. Otherwise, stock is just fine.
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Sorry for the noob questions. I don't know much about the tech, I can only follow the instructions. So, do I need a modified bootloader if I want to flash Rom that require S-off or is the stock bootloader OK? I want to flash a Rom for which I need to be S-off and on the latest RUU.
I'd guess that 99% of people who do the jbear s-off procedure take the modified hboot as an uniformed choice. They figure if jbear provided this, then it must be great.
If you do not install the jbear hboot, you should unlock your bootloader using htcdev unlock bin file. You will have the following benefits with s-off, stock unlocked hboot:
o can ruu with unlocked bootloader. you will never need to relock before performing an ruu.
o install ROMs easier without the need to install kernels via ph98img.zip. method
o able to fastboot flash recovery and boot/kernel
o less bricking risks in the future
being s-off with the locked jbear modified hboot has the advantages of:
o displaying Locked, but can do everything an unlocked bootloader can do.
o makes it easier to lie to Verizon that you never tampered with the phone, never unlocked, never ROMed, it is not your fault the phone is bricked.
o able to fastboot flash recovery and boot/kernel
o able to fastboot flash hboot/bootloaders and some other fastboot commands that no developers are using.
One guy went so far as to hexedit his hboot to display "s-on" and "locked" to hide the fact that he is s-off and unlocked. He bricked his phone on his first attempt. got phone insurance to replace his phone. Then he got others to test his later attempts which work and didnt brick. So if you want to lie with impunity to Verizon, don't use jbear hboot, instead use this guy's hboot. you'll find it in the developer's forum.
Personally I take great care and deliberation about what changes I make to my phone because I do not plan on lieing to get someone else to pay for my mistakes.
Wendemixda said:
I just successfully performed S-off but my bootloader changed to "locked". Is that normal?
Also, I declined to install jp modified hboot because I was not sure what it was. Do I have to install another hboot after S-off?
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Yes it is normal....see what the other guys say about jb hboot.....for me, since I haven't and don't plan on having to use fastboot commands, I just left it locked with stock hboot.
How can I reunlock mine? S off locked bootloader
An old HTC Incredible 4G
EzraDi said:
How can I reunlock mine? S off locked bootloader
An old HTC Incredible 4G
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This is the Rezound forums. You should find the Incredible forums and ask there, although I think a lot of Rezound users used to have Incredibles, but it's pretty dead here now that the phone is 4 years old.
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This is the Rezound forums. You should find the Incredible forums and ask there, although I think a lot of Rezound users used to have Incredibles, but it's pretty dead here now that the phone is 4 years old.
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Thank you
Guys, I didn't find any explanation for this here, and I still have a problem. I have HTC EVO 3D GSM..
I was on 1.53 hboot and I unlocked bootloader via HTCdev.com. After that I wanted to do s-off with "wire trick"..I successfully made it. I wanted to install Disarmed Toaster ROM, but I had a bootloop. So, I downloaded new PG86IMG.zip, downgraded hboot, and now I have 2.3 GB android, with LOCKED BL and S-OFF..now..How do I get UNLOCKED bootloader..I tried with htcdev.com again, but failed..There is error failed: remote not allowed
Hope you can help me..
This post explains the situation you are describing on the CDMA version, and I suspect it is very much the same on the GSM model. If you want to read the original explanation by Unknownforce it is here.
You should be able to use the JBear hboot for your phone instead on unlocking the bootloader, or if you need an older version I think I read there is a GSM version of the Revolutionary bootloader.
ramjet73
You just installed JBear again and you will gain UNLOCKED. Or you should Unlocked again w/ HTCdev.
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I dont think locked should be a problem as long as you are s-off. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i believe you can flash roms/kernels etc now.
why do you need it to be unlocked?
EM|NEM said:
I dont think locked should be a problem as long as you are s-off. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i believe you can flash roms/kernels etc now.
why do you need it to be unlocked?
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This is correct. You do not need boot loader unlocked I'd you are s-off.
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EM|NEM said:
I dont think locked should be a problem as long as you are s-off. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i believe you can flash roms/kernels etc now.
why do you need it to be unlocked?
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This is correct. You do not need boot loader unlocked I'd you are s-off.
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Some people still seem to unlock the bootloader after gaining S-OFF so they can run fastboot commands like "flash" and "erase". If you try to run those commands with a locked bootloader you will get the "failed: remote not allowed" error even with radio S-OFF.
The wire trick leaves the bootloader locked, but choosing the JBear hboot or flashing another custom version (engineering or Revolutionary) is a better way to get access to those commands than unlocking the bootloader again.
ramjet73
Thank you all..I did what had to be done..Now, I have s-off with Jpbear hboot..mwakious rom..and it works like charm ..This is my first ROM installed on HTC EVO 3D..and I hope I will get used to install new ones ..
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Some people still seem to unlock the bootloader after gaining S-OFF so they can run fastboot commands like "flash" and "erase". If you try to run those commands with a locked bootloader you will get the "failed: remote not allowed" error even with radio S-OFF.
The wire trick leaves the bootloader locked, but choosing the JBear hboot or flashing another custom version (engineering or Revolutionary) is a better way to get access to those commands than unlocking the bootloader again.
ramjet73
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what would we do without you sir. I learn something new here everyday
So I recently got a hold of a rezound and it came with S-OFF and an unlocked 2.25 HBOOT. I have a couple of questions about upgrading:
1. Does keeping the HBOOT unlocked have any benefits besides extra fastboot commands (which I'll never use)?
2. How can I upgrade to the 2.27 HBOOT with my phone's current status (unlocked with S-OFF).
3. Are there any benefits to having the unlocked 2.27 HBOOT that vinylfreak released over the stock HBOOT?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've been paging through this forum and there is a lot of fragmented information floating around that's both new and old so it can be hard to make sense of it all.
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So I recently got a hold of a rezound and it came with S-OFF and an unlocked 2.25 HBOOT. I have a couple of questions about upgrading:
1. Does keeping the HBOOT unlocked have any benefits besides extra fastboot commands (which I'll never use)?
2. How can I upgrade to the 2.27 HBOOT with my phone's current status (unlocked with S-OFF).
3. Are there any benefits to having the unlocked 2.27 HBOOT that vinylfreak released over the stock HBOOT?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've been paging through this forum and there is a lot of fragmented information floating around that's both new and old so it can be hard to make sense of it all.
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1. You can flash kernels in recovery and not HBOOT, you can also install a different splash screen logo (downside. you can brick the phone because there is zero security now. "S" in on or off means security)
2. you can update the HBOOT to 2.27 without any problems by downloading one from the develop section and it wont hurt the phone. link
3. HBOOT 2.27 was meant for the global update. if you dont plan on leaving the U.S. or use the phone for gsm then there isnt a need to update.
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So I recently got a hold of a rezound and it came with S-OFF and an unlocked 2.25 HBOOT. I have a couple of questions about upgrading:
1. Does keeping the HBOOT unlocked have any benefits besides extra fastboot commands (which I'll never use)?
2. How can I upgrade to the 2.27 HBOOT with my phone's current status (unlocked with S-OFF).
3. Are there any benefits to having the unlocked 2.27 HBOOT that vinylfreak released over the stock HBOOT?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've been paging through this forum and there is a lot of fragmented information floating around that's both new and old so it can be hard to make sense of it all.
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I would run newest ruu with 2.27 hboot and flash a custom rom.
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I would run newest ruu with 2.27 hboot and flash a custom rom.
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Can I run it with S-OFF and unlocked? I read somewhere that if you use an official RUU on an unlocked HBOOT that you could brick your phone. Will running the RUU re-lock the bootloader after upgrading? Thanks for the help
You can't ever brick your phone running an ruu unless its a bad ruu. To ruu though.. your phone must be relocked using fastboot. What you're thinking of is if you s-on with a modified hboot then you brick. You're good though.
1. Relock with fastboot oem lock
2. Run RUU
3. Honestly there's not much reason to unlock again
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polarEskimo said:
Can I run it with S-OFF and unlocked? I read somewhere that if you use an official RUU on an unlocked HBOOT that you could brick your phone. Will running the RUU re-lock the bootloader after upgrading? Thanks for the help
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OK so unlocked and locked boot loaders mean you can use fast boot commands. If you ruu to the newest you will loose fast boot commands unless you unlock or flash an engineering hboot.
If you ever wanted to update after you have unlocked, you must relock the boot loader before updating. Ie never ruu on an unlocked hboot
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Don't bother updating hboot, it will net you nothing. I've been running 2.25 hboot with the new radios since the 4.03.605.2 leak. 0 issues and runs VERY well. Also unlocked on a patched/eng hboot means nothing, can run the same commands the same way with it being locked. Although a stock hboot may need to be unlocked to get access to some of those commands, of which will probably be of no use to you anyways.
@Syn
S-off shouldnt need a re-lock/unlock to update ANYTHING in hboot with a ph98img.
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Don't bother updating hboot, it will net you nothing. I've been running 2.25 hboot with the new radios since the 4.03.605.2 leak. 0 issues and runs VERY well. Also unlocked on a patched/eng hboot means nothing, can run the same commands the same way with it being locked. Although a stock hboot may need to be unlocked to get access to some of those commands, of which will probably be of no use to you anyways.
@Syn
S-off shouldnt need a re-lock/unlock to update ANYTHING in hboot with a ph98img.
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Learned something new. Thanks.
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