It's weird. I have an Atrix and a new GSII. At home my Atrix shows HSPA and my GSII shows HSDPA. Isn't HSPA "4G" and HSDPA 3G?
mgymnop said:
It's weird. I have an Atrix and a new GSII. At home my Atrix shows HSPA and my GSII shows HSDPA. Isn't HSPA "4G" and HSDPA 3G?
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That's what I thought too, and I'm also showing HSDPA... hmmm... but the upload speeds are HSPA+ so it can't be right.
I thought both 3G and "4"G could be called HSPA. High Speed Packet Access.
Doesn't the D stand for download. I thought HSUPA (U for upload) was the feature that got all the publicity with the Atrix, as it wasn't activated at launch.
I am sitting on H+ according to my status but in about it says UMTS, which I thought was 3G. My HTC 8525 ran on UMTS 4 years ago.
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quarlow said:
I thought both 3G and "4"G could be called HSPA. High Speed Packet Access.
Doesn't the D stand for download. I thought HSUPA (U for upload) was the feature that got all the publicity with the Atrix, as it wasn't activated at launch.
I am sitting on H+ according to my status but in about it says UMTS, which I thought was 3G. My HTC 8525 ran on UMTS 4 years ago.
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I think in the about settings HSPA means HSPA+ while HSDPA means the slower standard. I think it is probably a bug. My Atrix could distinguish between HSPA and HSDPA in the about settings. In areas without 4G it would read UMTS or HSDPA while in advanced backhaul areas it would read HSPA. On The GSII it seems to be messed up. I never saw HSPA.
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I think in the about settings HSPA means HSPA+ while HSDPA means the slower standard. I think it is probably a bug. My Atrix could distinguish between HSPA and HSDPA in the about settings. In areas without 4G it would read UMTS or HSDPA while in advanced backhaul areas it would read HSPA. On The GSII it seems to be messed up. I never saw HSPA.
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Mine is acting the same way my Infuse was. It never seems accurate. Obviously if you pass the 0.33mbps range your HSUPA is enabled. That's about all we really know for sure, hehe
Phone status display frequently is broken in the framework and not reporting correctly.
For example, the Infuse would report UMTS when in an HSPA+ mode...
Entropy512 said:
Phone status display frequently is broken in the framework and not reporting correctly.
For example, the Infuse would report UMTS when in an HSPA+ mode...
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I'd imagine the marketing\disguising one technology as another and not being forthcoming about where has "enhanced backhaul" nor defining what "enhanced backhaul" even is in terms of speed, likely doesn't help things either ;-)
hspa and hsdpa are both 3.5G at best
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Dial *#0011# on your phone. The screen will show what exactly is your phone using. So far, I have yet seen 'HSPA+ used' display anything other than 0.
SO, I have a Samsung Focus and I have a HTC Titan (both AT&T Branded). I also have a AT&T 3g Microcell.
BTW, Has anyone seen an AT&T Titan show 3G at all or anything other than 4G?
Anyways... Here is where the AT&T Titan lies about 4G service.... the 3G Microcell only support a maximum of UMTS. It does not support HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA, HSPA+, or LTE. Only HSPA+ & LTE are official 4G technologies as classified by the ITU.
On my girlfriends and my phone (when attached to the microcell) it shows 4G (we both have Titans). And Yes, I am positive we are on the microcell since both our phones list AT&T Microcell as the carrier.
I think AT&T is starting to pull one over on people with the Titan. Wish I had a Focus S to verify what it says too....
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
My HTC Titan has shown E for the Edge network as it has also displayed 4G for HSPA + as well.
link68759 said:
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
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I know the Titan does have the HSPA+ capability, that was not my gripe. My grip is that AT&T is listing a true 3G network as 4G which is a bold faced lie altogether and causes us to question if we truely are on 4G or not. Not the fact the device support it or not.
SO, all these throttling threads and stuff about 4G can not use the Titan as a testing source as the tester can not trust if they truely are on 4G or not. Thus skewing true testing results and perceived capabilities.
I live in Las Vegas and AT&T has had HSPA+ for a while and recently LTE. The issue I have, is I can't tell which network I am on wether it be 3G, HSPA+ or LTE since the Titan always will show 4G for all of them.
As added info for you about network types, your 3G disgnation is the same as the network types that I listed. 3G Network types include (In order of evolution):
UMTS - True Desgination for 3G
HSDPA - 3.x
HSUPA - 3.x
HSPA - 3.x
The 3.x is where I am not sure about the history of their release but I know one of them was refered to 3.5g before the true 4g designation came out for HSPA+ & LTE.
I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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AT&T GoPhone Service here with X310e from Europe, it stay on H all the time, displayed as "3G" sometime.
maybe the way they display the icon on the Europe Phone is different.
Anyone confirm as H is HSPDA+?
BTW, i don't download torrent on my phone either.
Its not exactly a lie. Yes, 4G is now the old 3G. When the other carriers started calling their service 4G, it made AT&Ts service look slower (when reality is that ATT 3G was the fastest).
4G was supposed to be LTE, but the marketing departments screwed that one by trying to one-up each other.
So, the answer is that where you saw 3G previously, you will now see 4G.
I have two microcells and they both show 4G on my Titan as well.
Blame the marketing departments (at all the carriers) for using the 4G moniker where it did not belong.
LTE will hopefully be LTE.
I've seen E, H & 4G on my at&t Titan
You see H? That's a good sign, at least; we can differentiate from E, H and H+. My town is fairly rural and is also a historical district, so I find it extremely suspect that there is 4G wherever I've gone, but I guess we've somehow become modern.
I have also never seen "H", only E and 4G, but I've only been in 3 small towns since I've had my Titan. My "4G" speeds are very 3G-like too... (between 1-2Mbps down and .75Mbps up)
Is there any way to see more detailed radio information in the OS? I dont really trust the indicator at the top of the screen.
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
That's even beyond the point. Didn't ATT say HSPA+ users should see actual speeds of around 6Mbps? Many aren't even getting the upper range of "3G" speeds.
I just got off the phone with ATT CS and he did tell me I am NOT in a 4G area, even though my phone is saying so. He told me the nearest 4G area was about 20 minutes south, which is exactly what their data map shows. From that I take that ATT is just calling their 3G network 4G, at least on this phone.
StevieBallz said:
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
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That is false, the ITU adjusted this decision and enveloped HSPA+, Wimax and LTE into the 4G fold.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed,"
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
In relation to this post, I have used my Interop Unlocked Focus all around this area and home. On my Focus I enabled the ability for it to show 3G+ areas and I was able to map out areas that were E, G, 3G and 3G+
However, when I trek those same areas with my Titan, I see a somewhat magical "4G" over all 3G and 3G+ areas.
Whether these areas were all H+ capable the whole time is unsure, but somehow I tend to doubt it.
As of yet, I have never seen 3G but I have seen E and G on my Titan.
link68759 said:
I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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I just tried that on my Titan by dialing ##3282#, and all the diagnostics are for 3G, HSDPA, no item for HSPDA+, still on screen my phone shows 4G.
arg... is there any way to infiltrate ATT's customer support and actually talk to an engineer, no tricks or PR crap?
I just thought that I'd chime in and say that my HTC Titan shows "3G" when I am at my place of work in Franklin Lakes, NJ.... so it must say 3G for some networks at least.
Do you have an unlocked international phone or an ATT phone?
Is there a Registry Editor for the Titan yet? If so, I wonder if you can change the 4G to what you want it to be like you can on the Samsung Focus? On the Focus, you have the option to change each individual network to show whatever you want it to show.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity \CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
6G Speeds on Samsung Focus
Using ATT's methods, I've modified my Samsung Focus to receive 6G Speeds. Yes, this is the SAME method ATT uses to get 4G speeds...
They just edit the Registry like I did.
Hi everyone, just had a quick question about LTE and cm9. Currently my phone displays an H, but if I was in an LTE area, would it say LTE or something else? Also will the default apn settings for cm9 enable LTE when I am in that area? Thanks!
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In my experience, it will display the 4G icon in LTE areas, and the H for HSPA+ area's.
Right, In aosp the signal indicates exactly what it should, not those bs lies the carriers spit out, confusing people...
They have been selling HSPA as 4g for years, when it's not a new technology, it's just 3g better implemented, so it's like 3.5g.
Lte is the true new tech, so it's actually 4g, which is what aosp says.
E= edge 2g
3g= self explanatory
H=HSPA (what has been sold as 4g)
4g=LTE (actual 4g)
Ok, so I am a little new to this because I am coming from Sprint, where I was able to choose 2g, 3G, and 4g but since I have just switched to AT&T the only options I am finding in the network settings are GSM which gives me what appears to be 2g. When I choose wcdma but that gives me 4g, and then LTE. Is there something I am missing when it comes to the network choice that will give me 3G?
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Ok, so I am a little new to this because I am coming from Sprint, where I was able to choose 2g, 3G, and 4g but since I have just switched to AT&T the only options I am finding in the network settings are GSM which gives me what appears to be 2g. When I choose wcdma but that gives me 4g, and then LTE. Is there something I am missing when it comes to the network choice that will give me 3G?
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4G = 3G for AT&T. AT&T (as do other carriers) consider their HSPA+ network to be "4G" when in fact really it is still 3G
nest75068 said:
4G = 3G for AT&T. AT&T (as do other carriers) consider their HSPA+ network to be "4G" when in fact really it is still 3G
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Oh wow, thank you so much! That clears things up for me. Thanks!
I'm new to using Tmobile an just not sure if I'm getting all the connections that i should with my mega. I'm using the unlocked canadian mega the 527M model
in the area around my house i get LTE so i see the LTE icon and i also sometimes will see H+ i know both of these are high speed connections.
however, other than this when i get in a non LTE area i only ever see an E icon and the speed is so insanely slow i would describe it as near what i would get on sprint as 1x speeds.
I've also a few times seen just a G icon which i have no idea what it means.
i have never seen a 3G icon and i am thinking that i should definitely at least be getting 3g speeds in many of the non LTE areas and the tmobile coverage map says this as well but the speeds are so slow in these areas there is no way they are 3g. we are talking way under a meg like 150kbs
i don't know if my APN settings could be improved or if there is even a problem but the symbols i see in the areas i see them seem wrong.
G is GPRS, E is EDGE both dial up speeds. H and H+ are 3g speeds. H+ was marketed as "4G". LTE is true 4g. If your getting any connection your APN is fine. Depending on the bands that your mega supports you can check tmobiles coverage map or this crowd source map for the 1900mhz band http://www.airportal.de/
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