Less than 2 bars? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717

Has anyone seen less than 2 bars of signal? The recent phonedog.com video makes a reference to this phenomenon as well.
I have pretty poor reception in one part of my house, but my Note never dips below 2 bars whereas my infuse and ip4 both showed 1 or even no bars.
Marketing ploy or bad antenna gain values? Haha
"The Note, so large it comes with its own signal bar. "
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i just saw that too and yes t will go down ive seen it as low as 1 bar on mine

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[Q]Hows the reception on the Atrix? death grip?

hows the reception on the atrix? im thinking of getting this phone but i need one with good reception. im currently have the Captivate, how is the signal strength on the atrix compare?
neotekz said:
hows the reception on the atrix? im thinking of getting this phone but i need one with good reception. im currently have the Captivate, how is the signal strength on the atrix compare?
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I just went from captivate to atrix about 3 days ago. Its alot better and louder. I noticed that the captivate was not very loud in the earpiece. the speaker is much louder also. definitely better.
I had a captivate as well and I'd say reception is better and the voice of the person on the other side is WAY more full sounding. On the cappy voices sounded kinda hollow to me at least on JK4 modem. So far coming from Paragon 6 to The Atrix rooted with DG's rom I'm regretting nothing. The GPS actually works, it plays calls through my car stereo when plugged on (Cappy just got that), Better pixle density (lower contrast vs SAMOLED though) but an acceptable trade off. Build is kinda plasticy vs the metal backed cappy, but I'm not worried about it. LED flash, FF camera (Don't think I know anyone who's used one).
So yea I'm happy with cappy to Atrix upgrade, I feel like I have a fully functional phone where as on the Cappy everything almost needed to be hacked to make it work like it was suppose to. Oh and as far as speed 1.4 OC vs stock atrix, atrix destroys the cappy hands down.....unless you do a bandwidth test then obviously the hacked cappy isn't limited on upload.
Hope that helps ya!
Coming from aa iphone 4 its a pretty good improvement. In a spot that normally got 0 signal I get 1-2 bars and completely fine voice/4G
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I'm also coming from an iPhone 4 and in a spot at my school where my iPhone had 0 bar's, this grabs a consistent 2-3 (more on the 3 side than 2). Great reception but I expect nothing less from Motorola.
So far I find it quite better, coming from a N1. I can definately hear the other side a lot clearer, and have been told I sound better
and is there any issues with the death grip?
Few... so Motorola is still making phones with good reception and call quality. Like nokia's. The minimum a phone should do, what most phone makers seem to forget these days.
The problem with using the number of bars to compare signal strength between different phones is the algorithm used to determine the number of bars is not universal across phones. You really need another measure such as signal to noise or something like that. The bars are a logrithmic scale but not universal across phones. There was a great article on this when apple changed the way IOS determined the number of bars for strength. I will try and find the article and post it here.
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Signal is great! Much better than iPhonelol.

Anyone else having signal issues

Im getting low signal and grey bars a lot.
Its not my sim cos its new and get good signl on my HTC one x and iphone but with the s3 its poor.
Any suggestions?
viniturb0 said:
Im getting low signal and grey bars a lot.
Its not my sim cos its new and get good signl on my HTC one x and iphone but with the s3 its poor.
Any suggestions?
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You are holding it wrong!
Sorry i couldn't resist
Maybe your antenna is faulty i would take it in and have it looked at.
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viniturb0 said:
Im getting low signal and grey bars a lot.
Its not my sim cos its new and get good signl on my HTC one x and iphone but with the s3 its poor.
Any suggestions?
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I am having the same issue. I used to get full bars with my sgs 1. But now in the sam areas, im getting like 2 to 3 bars. But i have yet to experience a dropped call nor data disconnection. And the cell standby in battery usage is really high. I wonder if its a software bug.
+1
Same issue here. My HOX and 4s have much better reception.. I'm gettting around -100 dBm which from memory was same as the iphone 4 death grip territory. I'm hoping its just a faulty handset and not the S3 in general. Doesnt seem to be a wide spread issue though, I've read plenty of people saying their reception and call quality is the nest they've ever had. This is encouraging. I've created a thread about it here. Feel free to post your dBm results. Anything around -100dBm and above is not good (in areas where you've had better reception on other handsets in the past). I held a HOX side by side on the same network and it's reception was around 20dBm stronger.
Yep. See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690297
I'm dropping signal when I hold the phone and cover the right side, from fu to none .

My Verizon store signal strength test

My Verizon store signal strength test.
1st pic blue S3(106 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)......I'm holding the S3
2nd pic blue S3(112 dBm) vs white S3(104 dBm)..... blue S3 laying on desk notice drop in signal
3rd pic store rezound(82 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)
4th pic RAZR(105 dBm) vs rezound(83 dBm)
5th pic Galaxy nexus(101 dBm)
6th pic screen capture of my rezound(88 dBm)
Damasterjj said:
My Verizon store signal strength test.
1st pic blue S3(106 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)......I'm holding the S3
2nd pic blue S3(112 dBm) vs white S3(104 dBm)..... blue S3 laying on desk notice drop in signal
3rd pic store rezound(82 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)
4th pic RAZR(105 dBm) vs rezound(83 dBm)
5th pic Galaxy nexus(101 dBm)
6th pic screen capture of my rezound(88 dBm)
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Nice comparison.
Glad I have this phone.
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Ya I just came from the rezound ad well.. This s3 has horrible reception in comparison.
Numbers aside. I drop about half my calls on the s3 in the same places I have never had issues with on my resound.
My wife still has her rezound, and standing in the same place at the same time, she will have several bars if 4g and be able to place calls and browse the Web, while my s3 has a circle with a line through it... (no signal)
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Guy here at work has an S3 - I get 4 bars consistently here, he was 2-3. I was pretty surprised.
ssoares01 said:
Guy here at work has an S3 - I get 4 bars consistently here, he was 2-3. I was pretty surprised.
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Don't be. Samsung isn't ready to step their antenna game up yet.
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THis is why I am glad I got the Rezound, sure the S3 might out spec it, but the Rezound has some amazing things going for it, I have only dropped a call once in 4 months of owning it. I just get irritated with dust collecting in the headset.
Samsung phones are notorious for having poor radios. I had a Droid Charge, my dad picked up the S3 as a replacement for his nexus and they all three had no signal where my Rezound has full bars. Pathetic!
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Very good test. Thanks for sharing your findings and confirming what we all know to be true.
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Very nice test. This is the exact reason I'm sticking with my Rezound and why my Nexus is a paperweight now.
I was at a friend's a few months back, pulled 30mbs while his charge could barely get 4g, I was pleasantly surprised
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Go rezound
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I don't believe it is wise to jump to conclusions, I suggest checking out this article:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/25921-this-is-why-your-verizon-nexus-signal-sucks/
I think it takes some real-use testing over an extended period of time to really come to a conclusion about radio quality. Cellular conditions are very dynamic due to many factors. Signal quality is also very difficult to quantify, especially when basing it off just dBm (and of course, bars are just ridiculous.) The electromagnetic environment is very complex, and changes drastically in time and space. In my limited experience with wireless communications, I found that RSSI and SNR only tell part of the story. I often measure latencies while performing bandwidth tests (say to dial in a dish), but I find myself perplexed in many cases. Sometimes I get more consistent throughput when the SNR is worse.
Interestingly, I probably drop more calls with my Rezound than I did with my Droid Charge. I also had more reliable throughput on my Droid Charge than my Rezound on EVDO. Admittedly, the old radio firmware on the Charge was pretty crummy, but the later releases definitely stabilized it. It is difficult to come to conclusions due to many factors and it is possible a device may have a defect.
I'm not complaining about the Rezound too much, I'd say its roughly the same experience in regards to radios as my Droid Charge.
Just sayin'.
Damasterjj said:
My Verizon store signal strength test.
1st pic blue S3(106 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)......I'm holding the S3
2nd pic blue S3(112 dBm) vs white S3(104 dBm)..... blue S3 laying on desk notice drop in signal
3rd pic store rezound(82 dBm) vs white S3(106 dBm)
4th pic RAZR(105 dBm) vs rezound(83 dBm)
5th pic Galaxy nexus(101 dBm)
6th pic screen capture of my rezound(88 dBm)
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Not that I'm defending Samsung in the least here, I sincerely dislike most of their devices, but you might want to take a look at the fact that Samsung's devices show the LTE RSRP and NOT the RSSI like the Rezound does. There's a big difference between the measurements but to simplify it -80dbm RSSI is roughly equal to -100dbm RSRP, you just add -20dbm to the RSSI number to get the applicable RSRP number. So the signal NUMBER that you see might be seriously misleading you into thinking the signal is really poor if you're not doing the conversion before comparing. However, I much prefer my Rezound to the S3 without question, I gladly returned the S3
EDIT -RSSI vs RSRP Information: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-308-rssi-vs-rsrp-a-brief-lte-signal-strength-primer/
I went to the store this morning, I swear there was 70+ peple in the store
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Edit:NVM another nerd posted the same link.
Regardless of the terminology, it's weird as hell that people get better reception on the rezounds than the Samsung produced phones myself to included. I'll be damned if someone tries to convince me we're suffering from the placebo effect. Especially with people using them in real world.
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I'll vouch for the fact that (in a non-scientific, purely anecdotal test) the G-Nex has less signal strength compared to the Rezound. My wife received one for her job... the first one wouldn't hold signal long enough to download an app, or make a phone call, all the while my Rezound had 3-4 bars of signal. Her replacement phone is better, but if I hold both phones in my hands, the G-Nex shows only 1-2 bars of signal, while my Rezound has 3-4 (her battery life is PATHETIC, as well). Her co-worker was given a SGSIII, and she's already complaining of poor signal and dropped calls. We're in a large metropolitan area (Seattle-Tacoma) and have excellent 4G coverage here.
I'll keep my Rezound, thanks!
I can't speak much on signal strength other than I haven't had any problems and I think it is a bit better than my Droid Incredible
Samsung has worse radios for whatever reason and always have... Any real world use would show that. Can't get 4G here in a 4G area... oh look the rezzy has 4G w/20megs down. As far as 3G goes the difference has been much less noticeable. I guess there 3G radios are ok. I've seen and experienced 4G issues a lot more frequently with Samsung than HTC.
platinumrims said:
Samsung has worse radios for whatever reason and always have... Any real world use would show that. Can't get 4G here in a 4G area... oh look the rezzy has 4G w/20megs down. As far as 3G goes the difference has been much less noticeable. I guess there 3G radios are ok. I've seen and experienced 4G issues a lot more frequently with Samsung than HTC.
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That's one of the reasons I chose the Rezound over the Nexus when I decided to dump my Charge. The radios were ticking me off something fierce and I wasn't going to go right to another product with virtually the same radios. The Rez will be in my hands about 5:00 this afternoon. Can't wait to be rid of Samsung.

How badly is signal affected by a building's design?

Hey guys and gals, just something I have been curious about for a while. Are there certain materials, or even design/shapes to a building that impede signals? I know people say Wimax sucks indoors, but I'm talking regular data connection (1x/3g).
I can stand outside my office and pull over 1mbps on speedtest. I walk in, go to my desk 20 ft from the door, I'm lucky to pull over 500kbps. Sometimes I even drop to Roaming and get sub 100kbps at peak times. I walk back outside, boom... signal will double in strength.
I just thought it was weird and wondered if there is any particular reason. As an FYI the building does have those greenish colored reflective glass windows. I also work for local government, so I dunno if they have different requirements for the building?
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I work at a school and my signal is crap inside. The large amounts of metal and concrete used in commercial buildings kill signal similar to a Faraday cage. The effect happens in residential buildings, but isn't as noticeable.
This also kills battery since the phone has to work hard to keep signal.
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I got my work to install a booster because the signal is so bad inside. The signal out side is okay, but great inside. It's a two story structure and the antenna is upstairs. It should easily do 1500sqft but it does not penetrate between floors well due to thier construction.
Yeah, my building is all concrete and glass mostly. My phone cannot last long and I have to keep a charger at work. With moderate use I'm happy to last until lunch. Maybe one day I'll get a corner office with windows. Lol that might boost my signal!
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my signal and speeds are **** inside and outside.... effin sprint
raptoro07 said:
I got my work to install a booster because the signal is so bad inside. The signal out side is okay, but great inside. It's a two story structure and the antenna is upstairs. It should easily do 1500sqft but it does not penetrate between floors well due to thier construction.
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Where did you get the booster from?
You lose about 10-15 feet of coverage for every wall the signal has to pass through to get to you.
oohaylima said:
Where did you get the booster from?
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http://powerfulsignal.com/
about $1000-1200 or so.

US Axon 7: Initial Thoughts

Received today and packaging is excellent which includes earphones and clear case.
Display is quite nice and sound is loud though maybe not as full as earlier HTC models.
Not crazy about their skin so I switched to Nova.
Connects to VZW LTE. Radio appears weaker than Nexus6p and s7edge and appears to struggle in weaker reception areas.
Decent camera.
Speedy though not all of my apps are installed.
Connects to Wi-Fi and Bluetooth instantly.
Fingerprint scanner exceedingly fast.
Keep getting system update screen status though there aren't any.
Still putting it through its paces.
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If you don't mind answering a quick question for me, I heard the capacitive buttons don't light up? So there's always a circle and two dots even when the display is off? I really like devices that have clean faces, it's actually one of the reasons, crazy as it sounds, I want to change my OnePlus 3. I hate the fingerprint scanner being on the front. I was excited when I first saw the Axon 7 with a nice minimalist face, but they changed it for the U.S. release. =/
Correct about buttons; don't light up which doesn't bother me.
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Hey Mark
Can you do a speed test on VZW?
When I get home: I work in a notoriously weak VZW reception area hence I noticed this phone struggles more than the others. I do have a TMO sim I could try add well since TMO is far better in my area.
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Hey I just received mine.... Has anyone had a issue with the GPS... I can't seem to be able to lock on any location... Not with Pokemon go or Google Maps
GPS locks, it just takes a little longer than usual at times.
I like this phone better than my HTC 10. I can actually see the screen while wearing sunglasses now. Reception does seem a little weaker than the HTC 10, but bluetooth and wifi are better/quicker seeking/longer distance on the 7.
TMO average speed: 25/5
I'll test vzw in about a half hour when in better reception area and then Wi-Fi when home.
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bhazard451 said:
GPS locks, it just takes a little longer than usual at times.
I like this phone better than my HTC 10. I can actually see the screen while wearing sunglasses now. Reception does seem a little weaker than the HTC 10, but bluetooth and wifi are better/quicker seeking/longer distance on the 7.
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When you say see the screen with sunglasses are you referring to wearing polarized sunglasses and having the phone in landscape? That would be an improvement over my Find 7a right there.
markwebb said:
TMO average speed: 25/5
I'll test vzw in about a half hour when in better reception area and then Wi-Fi when home.
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Ok, Thanks
markwebb said:
TMO average speed: 25/5
I'll test vzw in about a half hour when in better reception area and then Wi-Fi when home.
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Hey bud. You said the Verizon coverage struggles in compared to other VZW devices. I know that reception bars can be highly inconsistent between other phones. Perhaps you should check the dBm measurements that are available under About Phone > Status to check the dBm. The full bands are there for VZW so I'm curious to see. Thanks.
Wow vzw is all over the place but fair warning my area is not really good:
20/35
7-10/4-6
10-20/5-10
Very unpredictable in my area.
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markwebb said:
Wow vzw is all over the place but fair warning my area is not really good:
20/35
7-10/4-6
10-20/5-10
Very unpredictable in my area.
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May you report the dBm in comparison to other VZW phones? :good:
MoopusMaximus said:
Hey bud. You said the Verizon coverage struggles in compared to other VZW devices. I know that reception bars can be highly inconsistent between other phones. Perhaps you should check the dBm measurements that are available under About Phone > Status to check the dBm. The full bands are there for VZW so I'm curious to see. Thanks.
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I said I live and work in an area with typically weak reception and that it's struggles more so than other phones that I own. however all of my phones struggle with VZW here. I did check -102 dbm
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markwebb said:
I said I live and work in an area with typically weak reception and that it's struggles more so than other phones that I own. however all of my phones struggle with VZW here. I did check -102 dbm
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Ok, thanks a lot man. I didn't mean to sound annoying. I am wondering how this fares to your other VZW phones. I have Verizon myself and I hope I don't lose some reception if I buy this phone.
On At&t
Pros & cons (all mixed in here)
No GPS issues, works fine and fast for me
Sound is on par with, and maybe a little better than my Moto X Pure. Slightly fuller and it can get louder without any crackling/distortion
Signal on At&t appears weaker, but my speedtest LTE readings are as good or better than my Nexus 6P with 24 - 25mb down, 12-15mb up.
Charging on a computer is really slow! My Moto X Pure and even Nexus 6p both charged faster.
Don't like the fact you have to tap the lockscreen after you double tap it to swipe to open it
Don't like the notification thingy on the lockscreen you have to touch to see your notifications either...Hopefully that'll go away in an update, or the option to turn it off.
Someone told me there was a dark theme, but I don't see it? Not a deal breaker for me though.
Hate the squishy "stock" Android emoji's.... But once again, not a deal breaker for me.
**On a side note, I ruined 2 screen protectors and the Skinomi was too big, so it's going back. With the slightly curved screen, you have to get it dead center or it won't attach to the edges too well. - The two ruined ones are partially my fault, but these are the exact same issues I had with the Moto X Pure and it's slightly curved screen.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this phone!
OK better Vzw area seated:
49/29
Go figure!
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Okay, here is an oddity. If I am on Verizon and then switch to Wi-Fi and back to Verizon there is no connection. I have to reboot the phone in order for it to recognize Verizon. I tried airplane mode and shutting off data but always had to reboot.
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tele_jas said:
On At&t
Pros & cons (all mixed in here)
No GPS issues, works fine and fast for me
Sound is on par with, and maybe a little better than my Moto X Pure. Slightly fuller and it can get louder without any crackling/distortion
Signal on At&t appears weaker, but my speedtest LTE readings are as good or better than my Nexus 6P with 24 - 25mb down, 12-15mb up.
Charging on a computer is really slow! My Moto X Pure and even Nexus 6p both charged faster.
Don't like the fact you have to tap the lockscreen after you double tap it to swipe to open it
Don't like the notification thingy on the lockscreen you have to touch to see your notifications either...Hopefully that'll go away in an update, or the option to turn it off.
Someone told me there was a dark theme, but I don't see it? Not a deal breaker for me though.
Hate the squishy "stock" Android emoji's.... But once again, not a deal breaker for me.
**On a side note, I ruined 2 screen protectors and the Skinomi was too big, so it's going back. With the slightly curved screen, you have to get it dead center or it won't attach to the edges too well. - The two ruined ones are partially my fault, but these are the exact same issues I had with the Moto X Pure and it's slightly curved screen.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this phone!
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Yeah we gotta find the dark theme, too much white on this great amoled screen! I need root for layers too! I really like this phone but it's going back if bootloader isn't unlocked soon.
I did a speed test this morning and got 75/15 down/up on at&t. Phone has been nice and snappy. I totally agree about your issues, why didn't they do ambient display and ditch that icon you have to push to peek at notifications?
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Hey everyone, congratulations with your purchase!!!
this phone really brings the upgrade urge back (i have Note 4 now).
does it have a netmonitor (like 0011 in samsung) to see signal state, available bandwidth in mhz, and if there's any carrier aggregation?
can you limit the phone to use only specific bands, like:
2G no bands (prohibited)
3G 2100 for calls
4G 2600/1800 for internet (prohibiting power-hungry and low-speed band 800)
this easily doubles, or triples, the uptime on a single charge (for N910F).
samsung's example of such menu is here:
i'm not sure for Axon 7 the savings will be as notable as for Note 4 (as new snapdragon and modem are more power efficient), but why not try?
another question is:
is Axon 7 Cat.6 (300mbit 2CA), or Cat.9 (450mbit 3CA)?
the new snapdragon has a cat.9 modem, right?

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