I would be willing to donate money if someone could successfully get Windows 8 ARM to be a dual booting OS on this tablet or the TF700 version.
Wrong section. Windows 8 isn't even out yet.
I will donate if you explain why this is in the development section
Isn't win8 going the hardware lock route anyways? Plus win8 isn't open source so I don't know that any Dev would "risk" it lol.
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Why would you want winblows 8 on it? If you want a dual boot go with linux.
Any version of windows is good for me, ill be happy to donate.
To clear up any misconceptions about windows that you might have, it is very unlikely that the arm version will emulate the programs written for intel based chips. So if you are thinking you are going to run everything that your pc can, I would prepare to be disappointed. If you want to run programs on your windows 8 arm based device, the developer of that program will have to compile a version of it for ARM architecture
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To clear up any misconceptions about windows that you might have, it is very unlikely that the arm version will emulate the programs written for intel based chips. So if you are thinking you are going to run everything that your pc can, I would prepare to be disappointed. If you want to run programs on your windows 8 arm based device, the developer of that program will have to compile a version of it for ARM architecture
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compile a version of it?
you mean rewrite the entire windows OS, forget about it xD
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compile a version of it?
you mean rewrite the entire windows OS, forget about it xD
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Windows 8 will run on ARM processors like the Prime. Only the x86 complied app will need to recompiled for the ARM architecture.
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Windows 8 will run on ARM processors like the Prime. Only the x86 complied app will need to recompiled for the ARM architecture.
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Yeah, but since it's windows, the most popular programs will probably be ported. And those devs who want their program in the windows app store HAVE to compile it to run on both x86 and ARM. And also there was some talk about some emulator, which is ok for simple "apps"..
Anyway, I would really like to see windows 8 running on the prime. We only need a bootloader that can launch windows 8.
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And those devs who want their program in the windows app store HAVE to compile it to run on both x86 and ARM.
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Actually, they'll only have to code it for ARM. The ARM apps will run fine on x86 with no modifications, though I think through an emulator (Win8 takes care of the emulator for you though, so you shouldn't be able to tell a difference between ARM and x86 apps when on an x86 machine).
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Actually, they'll only have to code it for ARM. The ARM apps will run fine on x86 with no modifications, though I think through an emulator (Win8 takes care of the emulator for you though, so you shouldn't be able to tell a difference between ARM and x86 apps when on an x86 machine).
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Ofc you'll notice a difference. Sure, an ARM device is probably slower than most PCs with win8 will be, but there is always a performance drop when emulating. Like Android SDK, hell, that's slow. But ofc, that's emulating a whole lot more (and probably another way) but.. Maybe if newer x86 CPU's have some more instructions to more easily emulate ARM, then this would be a smaller problem. I could be wrong though, I'm really no expert.
It would be illegal to put it on out primes anyway
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From what I read, all apps for Windows 8 ARM have to installed through the Microsoft App Store. They have said they will not allow sideloading.
I really don't understand why people want windows 8, much less windows in general on their tablet.
Id love it for one reason and one reason only and that is a full on office suite. Yes I know Docs2Go, GoogleDocs, OfficeSuite pro.....yada yada....none of them work like Office on Windows. Win8 will run on ARM but.....ya know what just read this.....
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/...ndows-for-the-arm-processor-architecture.aspx
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It would be illegal to put it on out primes anyway
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We don't know that for sure yet? Maybe they will sell standalone copys of the ARM version just like the usual x86 one. And in that case, there wouldn't be anything illegal about it.
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I really don't understand why people want windows 8, much less windows in general on their tablet.
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Because they can? i'm sure there are lot's of reasons for wanting win8 on the tablet. Maybe the most popular is to be able to use Microsoft Office? And other programs/apps that on the way.
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Why would you want winblows 8 on it?
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Office.
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Please read this and refrain from cluttering up Development with Non-Development questions and comments.
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HP was emailing out surveys to a select few people people with questions such as, "How satisfied are you with your HP TouchPad?", "What do you want more of?" and, "How much did you pay for your TouchPad?”
Looks like it's full steam ahead for HP, lest we forget, HP is, in fact the largest PC maker in the world, they decided to keep their PC division, that means tablets too. And things haven't been slowing down for them either. First it was the Slate 2, then the Envy Laptop, and now there's rumors of a new TouchPad.
nice renders....
but if there is anything then it would be running windows 8 or something.
I got that survey too----i wouldn't read that much into it. It'd be nice, but I can't see them reversing themselves again
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HP was emailing out surveys to a select few people people with questions such as, "How satisfied are you with your HP TouchPad?", "What do you want more of?" and, "How much did you pay for your TouchPad?”
Looks like it's full steam ahead for HP, lest we forget, HP is, in fact the largest PC maker in the world, they decided to keep their PC division, that means tablets too. And things haven't been slowing down for them either. First it was the Slate 2, then the Envy Laptop, and now there's rumors of a new TouchPad.
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Dunno, looks pretty good, Microsoft may buy webOS to avoid other companies obtaining the patents. Microsoft has been rumored to be purchasing webOS patents, leading to what some believe to be a webOS/Microsoft hybrid.
http://www.informationweek.com/byte/commentary/personal-tech/tablets/231600600
This is a good thing because Microsoft wouldn't necessarily have to buy the patents outright. Whitman has already mentioned a "TouchPad 2.0" and I think the TP is deserving of a second chance now more than ever.
Web site from China mainland ?! how many % can be trust .......hahahaha........
Those images - photoshoppery fakishness.
Ask yourself. Has HP not been on the ball lately? New Slate. (Which is lovely by the way) New Laptop(s). Press Conferences. Site redesigns...
New slate? The Slate 2 is just a HP Slate 500 with a better gpu, and slower cpu, with the rest of the specs essentially the same(well its using a slightly newer n-trig digitizer, but nothing to make a current 500 upgrade). It has a lot of Slate 500 owner actually bothered that it took HP a year to bring out something that is more of the same, and didn't even wait to use the newer Atom N2800 cpu. Can't really say that a company on the ball, just a company not sure what to do until the consumer reaction to Windows 8 comes out.
This stuff is all made up, there is no way Microsoft would be involved in making some "Hybrid" of Windows 8, it's doesn't make any sense, Windows 8 and WebOS are competing platforms, they are not complementary to each other in the least. Also why would it be the Touchpad 3, there has only been one generation of the Touchpad.
Edit: a little bit of Googling reveals that no one else is talking about this, OP is creating his own "news".
There has been a 2nd Gen TouchPad, it was the 7-inch TouchPad Go.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=18....,cf.osb&fp=fc2de84c48e55787&biw=1366&bih=638
Usually, they run stories like this on Monday. It IS the weekend, but, nobody knows about this yet.
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It IS the weekend, but, nobody knows about this yet.
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No, lol but if anything else comes up, be sure to let us know and I'll be keeping my eyes open too for the next thing!
Looks pretty nice... for that is most likely a made up device. At this point I think it all BS and/or wishful thinking.
How much do we really know about Windows 8 being tested on TouchPads?
Nobody ever said anything about that story and it's everywhere.
But that's besides the point: Are you telling me that, when the whole Windows 8 tablet evolution happens, that HP, the biggest PC maker in the world, is not going to make a tablet with Windows 8 on it for consumers?
Now, that would be crazy. It was wise for HP to halt production of the TP1, Windows 8 is right around the corner.
I bet the TP3 is already made.
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How much do we know about Windows 8 being tested on the TouchPads? Nobody ever shot them down. Are you telling me that, when the whole Windows 8 tablet evolution happens, that HP, the biggest PC maker in the world, is not going to make a tablet with Windows 8 on it for consumers?
Now, that would be crazy. It was wise for HP to halt production of the TP1, Windows 8 is right around the corner.
I bet the TP3 is already made.
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From the data in the image you uploaded it would appear that you just created it in Photoshop and it's a bad Photoshop at that.
Stop trolling.
None of that is even the topic at hand lol,
It's part of the whole process when a device is produced, all screen images are simulated. Have you seen a Galaxy Tab commercial lately or a Nokia commercial, or any commercials?? lol
I digress ...
I'd like Windows 8 tablets as is, but integrated webOS sounds like a really good idea, since Microsoft was supposed to have been purchasing the patents anyway.
The question is: Would the TP3 be able to compete with the iPad 3? Of course.
HP would have an excuse to sell it at a high price point. Microsoft gets those patents to save their OS from being a bunch of boring blocks, and suffering the same fate as their Windows phones. So it works for everybody, on the corporate side at least lol!
Sure HP may make a Window 8 tablet, but that as nothing to do with WebOS or the TouchPad.
I'm patient and for the new tablet, and not shoot it down so quickly.
HP may be deciding how exactly this is supposed to play out. Is it going to be dual boot, is it going to be hybrid, what new features it will have..
They've mentioned the possibility of webOS becoming part of their product line as in computers and tablets, but everything they've said, has all been in support of it, so I like what I see.
Honestly, I'm more excited for this than I am for them continuing webOS just by itself. It's more than profitable for them.
I will keep you informed and I will update you.
I got a thought!
At this moment I am trying to build Windows CE 6.0 for Raspberry Pi board.
While I was doing that I though it would be great to have CE on my Dell Streak 5.
I just want people's opinion about this!
So what do YOU think of having Windows Ce 6 on the Streak with all the applications that are available for windows?
Help from some C programmers would be nice since drivers are written in C.
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It'd be an interesting novelty, but how much effort do you think you can put into it?
I dont mean to sound negative, but the real facts are thus:
The bootloader's apparently somewhat fragile
The drivers are another major concern
And just as importantly, are you willing to do it even though it would mostly be a novelty? While there might be interesting uses for it if it was ever fully completed, it will only be a novelty if it's not stable enough for real use
The biggest hurdle would be that the s5 drivers, I dont know offhand what the upstream license is, but remember that the streak kernel is linux and GPL.
Regardless you'd still have to write your own drivers from scratch, there's a couple uncommon chips that dont have any real drivers outside the official ones, the same reason that we dont have CyanogenMod.
I would definitely be interested in it myself and wish you well, but this is a huge undertaking.
Does the pi already have pre-made drivers/source code ready? It's a whole different beast to just compile it then to have to make your own drivers.
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Does the pi already have pre-made drivers/source code ready? It's a whole different beast to just compile it then to have to make your own drivers.
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I have talked to Eben in person and he said if some one takes that task then he will provide the details for hardware and specs.
you are right Windows CE it is a big project to take. Drivers are big problem plus the license for WINCE.
Good luck.
Off the top of my head, I know of at least four successful hobbyist ports of Windows CE to "new" hardware.
They are:
1. Otaku's (unreleased) CE 4.2/5.0 BSP for the Gizmondo handheld
(This already shipped with CE 4.2)
2. Coutilla's port of Windows CE 5.0/WM6 to the HTC Magician.
(This shipped with the CE 4.2 based Pocket PC 2003 SE)
3. A barely tested port of CE 4.x to the GP32x game console based on a cloned sample BSP. (These shipped with some varient of embedded linux originally)
See, it isn't impossible. I wish you luck but it is a pretty difficult undertaking. I personally wish for more projects like there as there are so few. I'll encourage anyone who thinks they can pull it off CE needs some of the same luck linux gets as it has the potential to add the same sort of capabilities linux usually does and I'm all for choice.
I imagine part of the reason there are so few success stories is not just limited interest but also idealogy. The people with the skill to do this and write things like low level drivers for new hardware are mainly in the open source/linux community and a good number of them hate Microsoft/Windows CE.
The ports of CE 6.0 to the gumstix boards might also count but I'm not sure how hobbist those are. It's also a dev board to begin with. I'm mostly interested in existing consumer devices that have had it ported even if they were already running an older version of CE.
Another thing you may want to look into is KVM-QEMU on ARM Linux. When it matures enough, maybe virtualizing WinCE in KVM-QEMU will be the easiest route.
Think you should do it.
I'd be keen to give it a try!
I think it would be a great achievement if You pull it off!
Why not windowsphone?
Resolution check
Cpu check
Gpu check
Maybe need a bigger internal microsd
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Because it's nearly impossible to write drivers for wp7?
winmo's a rather easy target if you're seriously intending to make a port to a device.
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Whats your thoughts guys? You think we will get it? Its pretty awesome, smooth and smart! Still needs improvement with optimization/polish and a fair amount of lag...but thats a alpha os. Devices release 2014 and os I believe releases this year. So alot of time to work out the lag.
Native QML
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Default wrapper for C/C++ and Java
Even Android Kernels and Drivers work with the OS!
Trailer Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4
Keynote Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#!
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Whats your thoughts guys? You think we will get it? Its pretty awesome, smooth and smart! Still needs improvement with optimization/polish and a fair amount of lag...but thats a alpha os. Devices release 2014 and os I believe releases this year. So alot of time to work out the lag.
Native QML
Web App Framework Tools
Default wrapper for C/C++ and Java
Even Android Kernels and Drivers work with the OS!
Trailer Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4
Keynote Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#!
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I have all of my cash on the table for this and RIM making it in the year 2013..........................
not
Love the idea.....but, Android, OSX, and iOS (pretty sure Windows too) are all Linux based. Isn't porting Ubuntu to a phone just another skin for Android?
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Whats your thoughts guys? You think we will get it? Its pretty awesome, smooth and smart! Still needs improvement with optimization/polish and a fair amount of lag...but thats a alpha os. Devices release 2014 and os I believe releases this year. So alot of time to work out the lag.
Native QML
Web App Framework Tools
Default wrapper for C/C++ and Java
Even Android Kernels and Drivers work with the OS!
Trailer Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4
Keynote Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#!
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google should just buy them and steal the nice functions
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KC is wise ....
Go get em Google ....g
would love to try this on my note. I use ubuntu on 3 desktops, 2 netbooks, and a netbook/tablet hybrid.
UDL
I don't think its a replacement for Android thats for sure, but it is cool and would be nice to check out, or dual boot if we could.
Jay794 said:
Love the idea.....but, Android, OSX, and iOS (pretty sure Windows too) are all Linux based. Isn't porting Ubuntu to a phone just another skin for Android?
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Do you even use google?
Windows has nothing to do with linux (it might have some code taken from it but compared to the whole...) iOS it isnt linux it might be based on it but it isnt. Android??? well it uses the kernel of linux but it isnt linux.
UBUNTU I LOVE IT I WANT IT NOWWW although i dont own Galaxy note
Canonical have announced images for the Galaxy Nexus will be available within the next couple of weeks, it already uses Android kernels so while i don't think this will be picked up by the majority of smartphone users, i think it could well develop a decent following in the dev community, and the Note and Note 2 would lend themselves brilliantly to it
If this got ported over I would defiantly flash. Love the Status bar, how you can slide between date/time/wifi/etc and if you drag down it opens the settings for that feature. Thats awesome. The only thing that I am still curious about is navigation, market, and level of customization on the home screen. Seems like its designed to allow customization but on a page by page level with hubs on each page.
I seriously doubt Ubuntu will officially support the note1 in 2014, best bet is a port by an xda member.
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I seriously doubt Ubuntu will officially support the note1 in 2014, best bet is a port by an xda member.
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Oh for sure...thats mostly why I posted it, to get the devs thinking about it.....shhhhhh, don't tell them my master plan inception
martirio3000 said:
Do you even use google?
Windows has nothing to do with linux (it might have some code taken from it but compared to the whole...) iOS it isnt linux it might be based on it but it isnt. Android??? well it uses the kernel of linux but it isnt linux.
UBUNTU I LOVE IT I WANT IT NOWWW although i dont own Galaxy note
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iOS is not based on Linux at all. iOS is based on BSD-based Darwin BSD. Linux is a kernel, nothing more, nothing less. Linux + GNU tools makes an OS.
Now the big difference between android and the proposed Ubuntu phone. They will use the same kernel, but android runs on top of that in a VM whereas Ubuntu will run natively.
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iOS is not based on Linux at all. iOS is based on BSD-based Darwin BSD. Linux is a kernel, nothing more, nothing less. Linux + GNU tools makes an OS.
Now the big difference between android and the proposed Ubuntu phone. They will use the same kernel, but android runs on top of that in a VM whereas Ubuntu will run natively.
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I am hoping at some point android goes 100% native... i think google should just buy out ubuntu and help build upon chrome and android
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any system dump for this floating around?
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any system dump for this floating around?
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Galaxy Nexus will have it first so the dump will be there.
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OK well my understanding was that pretty much all OS's came from Linux and developed on top of a Linux base. Since OSX and android use the exact same file system as Ubuntu or Linux or Debian or whatever you want to call it Windows is just developed further to make it more user friendly, because the the normal everyday user wouldn't have a clue how to use Ubuntu if you installed it on a desktop
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OK well my understanding was that pretty much all OS's came from Linux and developed on top of a Linux base. Since OSX and android use the exact same file system as Ubuntu or Linux or Debian or whatever you want to call it Windows is just developed further to make it more user friendly, because the the normal everyday user wouldn't have a clue how to use Ubuntu if you installed it on a desktop
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Not at all. Unix was developed by ATT Bell labs. Dos from Microsoft. Windows from Microsoft with a lot of "inspiration" from Xerox.
Then, ATT licensed Unix to UC Berkeley. UCB then developed there own Unix called BSD or Berkeley Software Distribution. There was a lawsuit alleging that BSD infringed upon the Unix license but UCB was aquitted and released BSD under the BSD license.
Later, Linus Torvalds began playing with and hacking an educational kernel called MINIX. After a few years there was no MINIX left, and Linus released Linux. Linux, Unix/BSD, and Windows are all separate.
Apple started a community project shortly before OS X called Darwin BSD. The community developed it, apple used it for OS X, and essentially made it closed source which is allowed by the BSD license.
Back to Linux, Linux is not an operating system. Linux is a kernel. When combined with gnu tools, you have an operating system. There are many distributions of Linux that differ in the add-ons included, package management, installation and philosophies.
Oh, and when you get into comany sale and the lawsuits, it gets even hairier.
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Not at all. Unix was developed by ATT Bell labs. Dos from Microsoft. Windows from Microsoft with a lot of "inspiration" from Xerox.
Then, ATT licensed Unix to UC Berkeley. UCB then developed there own Unix called BSD or Berkeley Software Distribution. There was a lawsuit alleging that BSD infringed upon the Unix license but UCB was aquitted and released BSD under the BSD license.
Later, Linus Torvalds began playing with and hacking an educational kernel called MINIX. After a few years there was no MINIX left, and Linus released Linux. Linux, Unix/BSD, and Windows are all separate.
Apple started a community project shortly before OS X called Darwin BSD. The community developed it, apple used it for OS X, and essentially made it closed source which is allowed by the BSD license.
Back to Linux, Linux is not an operating system. Linux is a kernel. When combined with gnu tools, you have an operating system. There are many distributions of Linux that differ in the add-ons included, package management, installation and philosophies.
Oh, and when you get into comany sale and the lawsuits, it gets even hairier.
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I'm glad you took the time to post this man. Most people these days talk about of the side of their necks base off of portions they read from blogs and other media. All the while, these same people truly believe they know what they are talking about and do not even stop to think that MAYBE they are making a fool of them self. Thank you for schooling some of the people in this thread and others that have not bothered to post. I'm sick of people posting "facts" just as they would discard a gum wrapper, without thinking before fingers meet keyboard. Sad thing is that one of "those people" are going to take what you have posted here and try to pass it off as their own "knowledge" down the road on this or another forum somewhere without even educating them self further on the subject.
The easy version of the software debate is that windows is windows. Unix is UNIX. Most other operating systems are pulling large parts of Unix and building from there. Consider Linux a Unix mod.
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I am vaguely interested in a nexus 9, but the driver gimping is a non starter. I do play some Tegra optimized games, and frankly I refuse to give them up because of Google handiwork. I was considering this device as an alternative to the shield tablet, but if this issue can't be fixed I'm going to stick with nvidia's offering. FYI I do already own the shield tablet, I was just considering a switch due to issues I've been having.
I too am interested in making this possible. Pretty frackin pissed at google for disabling something the hardware supports for no reason. Nvidia has it working for the shield tablet so you know the drivers and libraries are available and it would be a simple task for then to enable.
I don't know where its disabled or what all would have to be done/tried to make it work. I have complained on both Nvidias and googles forums. Currently waiting for nvidia to release the full factory images for lollipop for the shield tablet to try compare + copy files. I'm no developer but may have to learn how to compile kernels and build Roms to properly try and overcome this.
Anyone who has more knowledge of the ins and outs of linking libGL.so and such that can offer any insight on where to poke around or start would be greatly appreciated!
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I too am interested in making this possible. Pretty frackin pissed at google for disabling something the hardware supports for no reason. Nvidia has it working for the shield tablet so you know the drivers and libraries are available and it would be a simple task for then to enable.
I don't know where its disabled or what all would have to be done/tried to make it work. I have complained on both Nvidias and googles forums. Currently waiting for nvidia to release the full factory images for lollipop for the shield tablet to try compare + copy files. I'm no developer but may have to learn how to compile kernels and build Roms to properly try and overcome this.
Anyone who has more knowledge of the ins and outs of linking libGL.so and such that can offer any insight on where to poke around or start would be greatly appreciated!
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it would be much better if we had 1st party support instead of porting it over from the Nvidea shield. but its a start i guess.
Do you have the links were you complained to Google and Nvidea maybe if enough people complain they will do something about it.
Googles Nexus 9 forums...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/HC3Gt7N_3_4
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/Kv-XL2cvEJ4
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/RwAGufbizTI
Nvidia...
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/.../is-nexus-9-denver-tegra-k1-a-real-tegra-k1-/
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/782024/tadp-for-nexus9-wishlist-/#4392958
These are all the places where I found any other information about our problem and trying to raise attention to it.
Latest response from someone at nvidia in the 2nd nvidia link above...
"Hi, Users
The K1 Chip does support OpenGL 4.4 and CUDA from the hardware side. The problem is that HTC made the device and Google controlled the software for that device.*
For Nexus 9, using AEP (Android Extension Pack) you can still achieve a lot graphics boost on K1 as using the modern OpenGL APIs."
So it sounds to me like google are the ones that left full GL 4.4 out. We need to petition google to have it enabled and included in future releases.
The Antutu benchmark for 3d graphics is really close between the Shield and Nexus 9. The N9 doesn't seem gimped in this regard. Is there some specific opengl functionality that was left out but doesn't show up in this benchmark?
What's really odd are the CPU performance numbers for the N9 in Antutu. I have a hard time believing the results, as the numbers seem unusually low.
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Yeah they removed a ton of functionality that can speed up applications, as well as breaking compatibility with a ton of existing apps. The android extension pack is a garbage replacement and is google's apparent reasoning for removing OpenGl support. Also benchmarks should be taken with a grain of salt anyways. They are garbage for real world use.
For anyone reading this thread, show your support and make your voice heard here...
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80512#makechanges
techiedj said:
For anyone reading this thread, show your support and make your voice heard here...
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80512#makechanges
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Added a comment.. Hopefully google will listen to us... Or perhaps a gifted developer will be able to port stuff from the nvidia shield device...
is there any progress or its dead
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is there any progress or its dead
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Pretty sure it's dead. The 5.1.1 update 2 months ago was a major update, and it includes no new OpenGL support.
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enriquejones666 said:
Pretty sure it's dead. The 5.1.1 update 2 months ago was a major update, and it includes no new OpenGL support.
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no i meant the porting thing
Of these two versions of Windows, in your opinion, which one is the best?
XPx64 hands down.
Personally, i loved Windows 7 more, even if XP is an really good Windows, Windows 7 have more functions that later were really useful for me, i'm even still using Windows 7
geraldwkoonce said:
Now I have to admit that XP was really the best.
The system was quite reliable and stable. And the failures were mostly due to drivers, which not everyone learned how to write back then, or to hardware.
Most of the games that came out with XP worked fine with both 7 and 10. There was and is such a game - Unreal Tournament 99. It still works on all systems without installation (including LINUX). A server can be created by almost any user on his computer. There are a lot of such servers on the internet even now. You do not need to pay any game sites.
At this time, the monopolist decided to simplify the task of making money by introducing artificial restrictions. This is just my opinion.
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XPx64 was sublime. Used to run with no antivirus and it was fast. Drivers weren't really an issue for me.
Side by side errors was a common problem but easily corrected by adding the missing MS library. Some developers had forgot to include the 64 version on their installation CD
geraldwkoonce said:
Now I have to admit that XP was really the best.
The system was quite reliable and stable. And the failures were mostly due to drivers, which not everyone learned how to write back then, or to hardware.
Most of the games that came out with XP worked fine with both 7 and 10. There was and is such a game - Unreal Tournament 99. It still works on all systems without installation (including LINUX). A server can be created by almost any user on his computer. There are a lot of such servers on the internet even now. You do not need to pay any game sites.
At this time, the monopolist decided to simplify the task of making money by introducing artificial restrictions. This is just my opinion.
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XP was horrible. For one, it was ugly. It devoured resources. Had severe security issues. Slow as hell... just 12
HipKat said:
XP was horrible. For one, it was ugly. It devoured resources. Had severe security issues. Slow as hell... just 12
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Xp×64, full load used 563mb of ram.
What's 12 using?
In 2006-10 a reboot would fry whatever 32 bit malware that was living in the ram. That was fun. Never had security issues with it behind a hardware/software firewalls.
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Xp×64, full load used 563mb of ram.
What's 12 using?
In 2006-10 a reboot would fry whatever 32 bit malware that was living in the ram. That was fun. Never had security issues with it behind a hardware/software firewalls.
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WinXP most computers had about 4GB ram at the very most. If that?? Today's machines use up to 64GB. Mine has 32. So RAM usage is negligible.
Thanks to Windows Defender, no one HAS to do a reboot to fry Malware - nor do any 3rd party programs need to run to provide security, other than the VPN many people use for privacy
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WinXP most computers had about 4GB ram at the very most. If that?? Today's machines use up to 64GB. Mine has 32. So RAM usage is negligible.
Thanks to Windows Defender, no one HAS to do a reboot to fry Malware - nor do any 3rd party programs need to run to provide security, other than the VPN many people use for privacy
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The point was it was light and efficient, very little bloat. Windows is a mess today. W7 was the last known good version
XPx64 was Windows zenith though.
MS pretty much has been a zombie since.
God forbid you need a reboot That went right over your head, humor. Even then it boot time was 26 seconds or less.
Hello
to have used both versions of windows I find windows 7 much better than xp, if we look closer most of the old pc today are on seven and run wonderfully
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The point was it was light and efficient, very little bloat. Windows is a mess today. W7 was the last known good version
XPx64 was Windows zenith though.
MS pretty much has been a zombie since.
God forbid you need a reboot That went right over your head, humor. Even then it boot time was 26 seconds or less.
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XP was never 26 seconds or less, not on an HDD anyway. Mine on a 500GB SSD boots quite quickly, when I'm on my Windows side of the dual boot
7 was the best of both worlds.
I'm now using 10 LTSC (x64) (Build 1809) (2019) which feels like one of the last Windows OSes without unwanted bloatware, it's almost like 7 reskinned as 10 just with what's needed. I love that.
The optics from Windows XP was the best, thats why i am using Win Aero Tweaker and the software Openshell (former Classicshell) on Windows 10 and 11, see sample...
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XP was never 26 seconds or less, not on an HDD anyway. Mine on a 500GB SSD boots quite quickly, when I'm on my Windows side of the dual boot
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Yeah it was... XPx64 running on 4 raptors in a Raid 0 configuration. I timed it out enough times.
Windows Vista was the best, followed by Windows ME.
Windows 7 for sure, i love the UI, It was pretty fast, theres also many workarounds to running it on new hardware, even I did them