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ok so i recently seen a video of the galaxy tab running windows 7 why cant we ? just wondering
Thegreat520 said:
ok so i recently seen a video of the galaxy tab running windows 7 why cant we ? just wondering
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Why would you want to and this belongs in q&a, general or heck even in the Galaxy Tab forum...
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Windows NT is what most of the Windows versions that we care about today are based from, including XP and 7. Windows NT supports the x86 and other processor architectures. Unless we can get an x86 emulator, we will NEVER EVER see Windows 7 running on an ARM processor. It is also closed-source, so we can't get the source code to compile to ARM. And the documentation for the kernel and other components of Windows are secretly kept somewhere at Redmond, so even if we get the source, it will be an infinite pain to get everything working for this new architecture (things like HAL, hardware abstraction layer, which is specifically for PC hardware and who Windows depends on heavily). I can't begin to explain everything that will need to be magically fixed in order to get working. Windows 7, or any other Windows version, will never work on a platform that it was not intended to work on (unless, we do get a virtual machine and some hardware compatibility)
Windows CE will be much easier to port since it was intended for mobile ARM computers. If this does happen, we can get Windows Mobile working. But all of this crap is completely non-public, so keep dreaming.
*I probably didn't get everything in this post correct (like the part about HAL) but the conclusion is completely correct. Basically Windows 7 will never reach a device unless it's a PC.
You mean the actual OS or just the theme? There are Windows 7 themes already for Android. And yeah, why would you wanna bother putting Windows on an Android device?
o cool like the title said just a thought but why i would want it on our device is becuase it looked cool running on the tab so and i like windows so i would probably enjoy it
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Windows NT is what most of the Windows versions that we care about today are based from, including XP and 7. Windows NT supports the x86 and other processor architectures. Unless we can get an x86 emulator, we will NEVER EVER see Windows 7 running on an ARM processor. It is also closed-source, so we can't get the source code to compile to ARM. And the documentation for the kernel and other components of Windows are secretly kept somewhere at Redmond, so even if we get the source, it will be an infinite pain to get everything working for this new architecture (things like HAL, hardware abstraction layer, which is specifically for PC hardware and who Windows depends on heavily). I can't begin to explain everything that will need to be magically fixed in order to get working. Windows 7, or any other Windows version, will never work on a platform that it was not intended to work on (unless, we do get a virtual machine and some hardware compatibility)
Windows CE will be much easier to port since it was intended for mobile ARM computers. If this does happen, we can get Windows Mobile working. But all of this crap is completely non-public, so keep dreaming.
*I probably didn't get everything in this post correct (like the part about HAL) but the conclusion is completely correct. Basically Windows 7 will never reach a device unless it's a PC.
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thanks for all of this info i didnt understand lol becuase im not really familure with this type of stuff but from your post what is windows ce? i would really enjow anykind of windows on my device really i just said windows 7 becuase i saw the video thanks for the reply
Dude, seriously you should've just bought a Windows phone like an HD2 or something if you like windows that much.
I mean personally to me, the whole point of buying an android phone is to NOT have a Windows OS or even a Windows GUI..........just sayin.
djquick said:
Dude, seriously you should've just bought a Windows phone like an HD2 or something if you like windows that much.
I mean personally to me, the whole point of buying an android phone is to NOT have a Windows OS or even a Windows GUI..........just sayin.
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Nope I love android but what I was saying and suggesting is having both systems running and can switch back and fourth not saying I like windows phones more than android just seeing if it or anything like it,is possible
The best phone in the world
Thegreat520 said:
Nope I love android but what I was saying and suggesting is having both systems running and can switch back and fourth not saying I like windows phones more than android just seeing if it or anything like it,is possible
The best phone in the world
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maybe it is just me, but dual-booting was still cool in 1999, not anymore.
Stick to one OS on the device, be it a PC or a phone.
Last time I cared for Windows was again 1999 when I used UPS software to send the packages, and wished it was upgraded from Windows 3.1 to at least Windows 95 - and then I went to continue my education, and it was the end of the windows era for me
If you want to use both windows and android, why not get an HD2 and have it dual boot?
I'm pretty sure if you saw Windows 7 on the tab then it was probably some kind of remote access software, and not running natively
This may sound like a weird question, but I am just curious to know if it is possible to install windows 7, or xp on Galaxy tab 10.1. As my limited knowledge about computers tells me, GT is essentially a computer with a cpu and ram and a kind of hard drive, so theoretically at least, it seems to me that it should be possible to install windows on the tablet.
Len_TAb said:
This may sound like a weird question, but I am just curious to know if it is possible to install windows 7, or xp on Galaxy tab 10.1. As my limited knowledge about computers tells me, GT is essentially a computer with a cpu and ram and a kind of hard drive, so theoretically at least, it seems to me that it should be possible to install windows on the tablet.
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Welcome to the forums. The answer is no. Windows won't run on the chip that's in the tablet (it's called ARM architecture; same reason windows won't run on a cellphone). I've heard rumors that windows 8 may be possible at some point.
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
5thElement said:
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
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and how did you manage this?
5thElement said:
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
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You have the install disc sitting on your Tab?
Seriously, though. That sounds like horse**** from the same guy who claims to have played with Kal-el devices. Let's see a video.
How's this?
Splashtop HD running my home computer from work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0x48GuhNnI
Excuse the fumbling. It's hard to work the screen looking at the phone screen. And I should mention that we only have an 802.11g connection here at work.
Thank you Jay Evans for proving them wrong.
Well, holy hell! That means I have OS X Lion running on my Tab.
Thank you for the replies. Although I understand that some of us here might be in a rather humorous mood, but just to clarify: my question was not about remote desktops. I still think there has to be a way to have windows running on GT. Another question in this regard is about virtual machines. Is there any kind of VM available for honeycomb tablets?
While it might be possible you wouldn't enjoy the results. Especialy if you want to run actual programs on it. It would be as slow as molassas and suck the battery dry in no time.
Better to buy a Win 7 tablet and wait for something like Bluestacks to run Android or wait for the ARM version of Win 8.
It won't happen, Windows is based off x86 architecture and Android Tablets and phones are based off of ARM architecture, Windows 8 will have support for ARM though, so wait a year
While the answer to your question is still 'no', it is possible to run Windows 95 or 98 using emulators. There is a QEMU port for Android ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6661598 ) that does it, and I've also heard that you can install windows using AnDosBox.
Yeah... I have been dreaming of the day I get my note sense I typed "tablet phone" into google this past January. In one of my random thoughts came my galaxy note dual booting ics and windows 8. I feel it would be amazing to just be able to use windows 8 in my car (maybe have windows on an sd card and Andy on the internal storage) and use the metro apps. But it would mostly be for the sake of saying I have windows 8 in my pocket. Is this possible? I know windows runs on arm now but I'm not sure if it will run on the arm 7 in the AT&T note. Thanks!
Ps. How do I do it if it's possible?
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I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
Wow, that would be cool, but unlikely.
Anyway, MS has being yapping about this for 10 years, about how the are going to embed Windows.
From what I remember, it will not run any normal Windows app, so what's the point?
If it ran Regular Windows apps it would crush IOS and Android, but it won't
(i'm pretty sure. Hope is fun though eh? )
well, Windows 8 is supposed to support ARM architecture, so it is technically a possibility. From what I have seen rumored however, the ARM capable W8 will only be available commercially and licenses will be strictly enforced. This makes me sad on the bright side, Im sure some employee somewhere will leak the ARM W8 for all to use. Whether or not it will be able to compile and be used on these kinds of devices is up in the air.
ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
foxbat121 said:
ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
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if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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Orange_furball said:
if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
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It won't. Microsoft will require specialized hardware to use Win8 (very similar to what they did to Wp7). It already requires a UEFI secure boot on any arm tab and mandated that the devices loaded with Win8 can't dual boot Android. It's not something that you can install yourself. It requires a ROM build by OEMs.
Any public beta you will see release will be x86 version only. ARM tablet version will never be released to public even after release. OEM only.
Maroon Mushroom said:
I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
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will it be possible to dual boot Ubuntu and Android?
zoso28 said:
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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It supports any app that compiles into ARM code, don't have to be Microsoft only app but x86 apps certainly won't work. Emulating x86 code on ARM is useless.
Metro apps also must be published through Marketplace. You can't install/sideload Metro apps.
Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
teiglin said:
Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
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well that was disappointing.
So i guess that answers my question. thanks
But it means Samsung could do it!
lte + vnc to win8 at home=win.
Here you go. Win8 "running" on G-Note via RDC.
What do you Guys think? Is there a Way to get Windows 8 working on the Tablet?
Cheers
We have only just got root, im not sure if it is even possible as I dont see it on any of the android phones yet. However my question is, why would you want to?
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Wow, Windows 8 is not even realeased yet.
You might have better luck getting the current Windows platform.
I have not heard yet of any other platforms available on the Sony "S"
Pocket Could
If you have a spare computer to install Win 8, you could connect to that with PocketCloud and try that for a taste of Windows 8 on a tablet. The developer preview didn't play nice with PocketCloud or RDC, but this new version does. Otherwise I think you might have a bit of a wait as I don't think Tegra chipsets are on Microsoft's roadmap any time soon.
Short answer: No.
Long answer:
The first problem is that this Tablet only has root. To even get a proper custom ROM environment, we would need unlocked bootloader, custom kernel and custom recovery. Even with a custom kernel, theres no guarantees on its ability to play nice with other OSes. On the other hand, Windows 8 is currently only at Consumer Preview and the only images available for download are the x86 versions, which are completely incompatible with any mobile chips. Once the ARM images are released, we might see some development, but that would still require all the kernel/bootloader changes mentioned above.
Also, the PocketCloud/VNC option isn't a great one as PocketCloud emulates a mouse, thereby removing half of the appeal of Windows 8 on a tablet.
seriously.. why win bloze?
i would be more excited to see ubuntu on sony tab...
http://galaxytabhacks.com/galaxy-ta...tall-ubuntu-linux-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-tabuntu/
u go android because of freedom.. not the other way round..
zerod78 said:
seriously.. why win bloze?
i would be more excited to see ubuntu on sony tab...
http://galaxytabhacks.com/galaxy-ta...tall-ubuntu-linux-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-tabuntu/
u go android because of freedom.. not the other way round..
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It would be a good idea to try for ubuntu since it looks like it only needs root and busybox!
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
madshark2009 said:
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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Tablet based on Tegra or Snapdragon gets Windows RT. This is Windows for ARM and will not run normal PC games.
Tabled based on X86 (for example Intel) gets Windows 8. This is windows for PC and will be able to run normal PC games (and windows applications). (if the GPU has enough power ofcourse)
Though I expect the ARM version will have much better battery life and is more suitable for a tablet.
And keep in mind that game developers are already making game engines for Windows RT. For example, there is already a demo for the Unreal3 Engine.
madshark2009 said:
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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i believe you're expecting to intall windows on Prime. Sorry to dissapoint you, but this will not be possible.. Windows 8 for tablet will only be available for OEM.
ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
madshark2009 said:
ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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Only available to manufacturers. Is not like normal windows where you buy a license on a store and install on any x86 computer. Is more like Windows Phones where the OS is attached with the phone..
And since is a closed source OS, i doubt the community can install it on other devices (maybe on tablets where exists models for both versions with the same hardware this can be done, i don't know)
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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If you search wikipedia for Windows 8 RT you will see the hardware requirements and then see why you should not expect to see W8 on the TFP:
Hardware buttons: Must have five hardware buttons - 'Power', 'Rotation lock', 'Windows Key', 'Volume-up', 'Volume-down'. The Windows Key to be at least 10.5 mm in diameter.
Five-point digitizers: Microsoft requires that Windows 8 touch PCs use digitizers supporting a minimum of five touch points.
Mobile Broadband: If a mobile broadband device is integrated into a tablet or convertible system, then an assisted GPS radio is required
Display: Minimum native resolution/color depth is 1366x768 at a depth of 32-bits. The physical dimensions of the display panel must match the aspect ratio of the native resolution. The native resolution of the panel can be greater than 1366 (horizontally) and 768 (vertically).
Near field communication: Devices supporting NFC need to have visual marks to help users locate and use the proximity technology.
New button combination for Control-Alt-Delete: The new option is to press Windows Key + Power.
Storage: At least 10 GB free space, after the out-of-box experience completes.
Graphics: Direct3D 10 device with WDDM 1.2 driver
Camera: Minimum resolution 1280 x 720[5]
Ambient light sensor: 1-30k lux capable with dynamic range of 5-60K.
Accelerometer: three axes with data rates at or above 50 Hz
Magnetometer and gyroscope
USB 2.0: At least one controller and exposed port.
Networking: WLAN and Bluetooth 4.0 + LE (low energy)
System firmware: UEFI
Built-in speaker and microphone[6]
If anyone can resolve the hardware issues they then have to persuade MS to supply them with W8 Licences (projected to be 85$). There is no indication that W8RT will be sold as a retail product and it will be sold to tablet manufacturers - OEM's -original equipment manufacturer / manufacturing.
If I remember correctly, there was an app you could download from Google Play Store which would allow you to run a version of Windows 8 on your Transformer tablets. It required that you have W8 installed on a desktop and connected your tablet to it. If the system can run the OS if you paid for the app, it should be able to run it standalone as well. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...
Long story short, possible but unlikely.
You're looking for Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8 (vs the Intel version that will run all the old apps we known and love and run on our intel computers). It is certainly possible (hell, probably extremely easy) to install Windows RT on our Transformer Primes. In fact I'd venture a guess to say most of Asus' Windows RT tablets are nothing but transformers, an extra button, and a few extra hardware features Windows mandates it have (ie the "Windows" button). That being said, in a TECHNICAL sense, it should be uber easy to install Windows RT.
The issue comes with licensing, legalese, and most of the crap most of us here hate because all it does is make our lives more difficult and expensive when we know damn well the hardware is capable. Microsoft has already said a few things that don't sit right with me. A few below:
1. All Windows RT devices must have locked UEFI bootloaders (ie, NO installing Android or Ubuntu, when all 3 COULD be installed in dual-triple boot configurations)
2. Windows RT will only be available to OEMs to be installed from the factory (no installing to Android devices, despite the hardware being capable.)
3. All Windows RT devices must only be able to install software from the market (with MS's 30% cut like Apple) and ONLY be for the metro environment, not the legacy desktop.
This all being said, I'm the proud owner of the HTC HD2 and if you look at that thing, which Microsoft said would never get Windows Phone despite satisfying 98% of their hardware specs, it's currently running the latest versions of Windows Phone AND Android (JB). This is all from a device that shipped with Windows MOBILE 6.5 in October of 2010. Performance is on par with single-core windows phones and single-core snapdragon chips (similar to what's in the original EVO).
It's possible, the question is, who's willing to cross Microsoft, and what kind of encryption needs to be broken first. It WILL happen, the question is a) how long and b) which devices are popular/worth it enough to MAKE it happen.
Until Microsoft fixes their current trajectory to their own 'clo$ed eco$y$tem' like Apple, I'll wait...