Big thanks to the group of testers that PM'd me!
I posted a guide for you guys to unthrottle yourself.
DISCLAIMER: STILL UNDER TESTING AND METHODS MAY BE PATCHED
Sorry but I'm not going to repost the guide here. Giving you guys a link to the thread because I promised you guys I would write one.
Thank you very much for your resource! However, when I put the APN settings into my phone, there is no radio button to select the HSPA+ APN. Do you happen to have a solution for me?
mchao92 said:
Thank you very much for your resource! However, when I put the APN settings into my phone, there is no radio button to select the HSPA+ APN. Do you happen to have a solution for me?
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I would recommend doing it from APN manager rather than from the stock settings menu. You should have more luck with that.
Stock settings menu is very finicky.
Maroon Mushroom said:
Big thanks to the group of testers that PM'd me!
I posted a guide for you guys to unthrottle yourself.
DISCLAIMER: STILL UNDER TESTING AND METHODS MAY BE PATCHED
Sorry but I'm not going to repost the guide here. Giving you guys a link to the thread because I promised you guys I would write one.
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Good stuff bro. I got unthrottled this month using the first method by switching from atrix to note
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When I tried method one back on my skyrocket, using a blackberry, the blackberry data plan did not work with my android phone. Most guides tell you that you need to call and switch your data plan back to tte phone you want to use. It doesn't matter that it reverts you to the original phone, it is the fact that the throttled plan is initially removed.
Next time I get throttled I'm going to try switching data plans through the My Att apparently, which should also ttrigger the removal of the throttled data plan. Save me the hassle of having to call.
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Also the APN should be:
Name: whatever u want
APN: phone
APN type: internet
The separately for mms:
Name: whatever
APN: all that cingular junk
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APN type: MMS
The reason it did not have a radio button for u is because you set it to only mms (which is what the guide told you to do without stating it was for mms only).
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When I tried method one back on my skyrocket, using a blackberry, the blackberry data plan did not work with my android phone. Most guides tell you that you need to call and switch your data plan back to tte phone you want to use. It doesn't matter that it reverts you to the original phone, it is the fact that the throttled plan is initially removed.
Next time I get throttled I'm going to try switching data plans through the My Att apparently, which should also ttrigger the removal of the throttled data plan. Save me the hassle of having to call.
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That's why you can do it with any HSPA android IMEI.
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Also the APN should be:
Name: whatever u want
APN: phone
APN type: internet
The separately for mms:
Name: whatever
APN: all that cingular junk
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APN type: MMS
The reason it did not have a radio button for u is because you set it to only mms (which is what the guide told you to do without stating it was for mms only).
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Thanks. Forgot to divide the APNs. Updated guide.
Maroon Mushroom said:
We already know that's not the case though. If AT&T forced everyone over, there would be a public outcry from 100% of the unlimited users. But right now, only 5% of those users are being hurt by this.
Getting throttled while using 2gb is NOT abuse of the network.
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And those two percent cave in.....and tier theirplan to enjoy service again.
Allowing at&t to grab the next 2% to refill the top 5%.
They are killing it softly.
Had a friend to cave in. I was there when he was throttled once. It was like stoneage edge network....no thanks!
T_T
Maroon, this insanity must stop! Post after post, chockfull of relevant and usefully info......at this rate I'm going to run out of thanks, show some mercy. Oh hell, thanks again Maroon!
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Johnsondr80 said:
And those two percent cave in.....and tier theirplan to enjoy service again.
Allowing at&t to grab the next 2% to refill the top 5%.
They are killing it softly.
Had a friend to cave in. I was there when he was throttled once. It was like stoneage edge network....no thanks!
T_T
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I'm going to stay on unlimited no matter what.
There's no way they're going to make me pay more than 30/month just to access the internet.
vizographic said:
Maroon, this insanity must stop! Post after post, chockfull of relevant and usefully info......at this rate I'm going to run out of thanks, show some mercy. Oh hell, thanks again Maroon!
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Changing the imei doesn't always work... Was throttled on day two of having the note, showing zero data used. Apn trick from skyrocket forums undid it ) and the rep told me, any unlimited user that uses more than 1.5 GB is in "throttle ville"... Total BS!
Well on the way to my fairytale!
Glad to know this is working...it became hit or miss on the skyrockets recently
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I told you the apn method worked before like i used on the skyrocket and you shot me down saying it doesn't work. Been using this method for months
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Maroon Mushroom said:
Big thanks to the group of testers that PM'd me!
I posted a guide for you guys to unthrottle yourself.
DISCLAIMER: STILL UNDER TESTING AND METHODS MAY BE PATCHED
Sorry but I'm not going to repost the guide here. Giving you guys a link to the thread because I promised you guys I would write one.
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Let me get this straight...you have to create an additional APN to MMS? You can't MMS with the HSPA+ APN?You can still text message right?
New data Untrottle Method
Hi, hows everyone? I was messing around and found another way to unthrottle data speeds on the at&t network. i have a motorola atrix 2 as my device and found this new technique useful as well with a few other devices. so lets get started first you must have your device rooted, second, program your device to get free tethering, after taking care of this, the last step is crucial. on the beginning of your cycle (which is on the 6 of every month i believe) connect your device to your p.c. via usb and activate usb tether. now this is crucial in order for it to work once your device is giving your p.c. internet access use up at least 7 GB of data on your pc not your device. so basically use 7 GB of data via usb tethering. a helpful tip would be to download My data manager, it helps you track how much data is being consumed during your plan cycle. after this unplug your devise from you pc and now your data speed should be at normal speed no throttle. remember do this process at the very beginning of every month of your plan cycle.
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Hi, hows everyone? I was messing around and found another way to unthrottle data speeds on the at&t network. i have a motorola atrix 2 as my device and found this new technique useful as well with a few other devices. so lets get started first you must have your device rooted, second, program your device to get free tethering, after taking care of this, the last step is crucial. on the beginning of your cycle (which is on the 6 of every month i believe) connect your device to your p.c. via usb and activate usb tether. now this is crucial in order for it to work once your device is giving your p.c. internet access use up at least 7 GB of data on your pc not your device. so basically use 7 GB of data via usb tethering. a helpful tip would be to download My data manager, it helps you track how much data is being consumed during your plan cycle. after this unplug your devise from you pc and now your data speed should be at normal speed no throttle. remember do this process at the very beginning of every month of your plan cycle.
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Oh yeah! What a great solution. Waste 7GB on your PC to somehow avoid throttling. And you want to know why ATT throttles?
Seeing as current data plans max at 5GB and the old unlimited offered 6GB using 7GB would push you past your limit and you would start incurring data overage charges and be screwed for the whole month.
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well its what i accidentally found out while bored. my internet at home was down etc. and i remembered that i could use the tethering on my phone so i hooked it up. after watching a few movies on netflix i realized that i had gone over 7gb on my grandfathered unlimited data plan. when i disconnected my phone i realized i received no message on my phone about the 5% heavy data users and i also noticed that for the rest of my plan cycle, my data speed was unaffected. so to prove my theory i tried it again the next month and it seems to work. this is just a suggestion seeing as at&t has no right to expect me to pay unlimited data then throttle it, screw them.
Actually they do. It's in the contract you signed. Am I entitled to some of the food me and my roommates buy? Yes. Am I entitled to eat all of it? No. Stop acting like the world owes you.something.
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I have the samsung vibrant and recently downloaded pda net so I can tether my phone. then this morning I wake to a discouraging text message that says my data has been slowed for the billing cycle. definitely a problem for me. because according to my contract I have unlimited 3g data not capped 3g. is there any way around this.
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Yea I got that too but I still got 3g connection
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Wrong, the contract says unlimited data. It doesn't specify a speed.
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Wrong, the contract says unlimited data. It doesn't specify a speed.
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And being that that contract actually says unlimited I should the able to call them and have them give me back my full speed
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ironlood said:
And being that that contract actually says unlimited I should the able to call them and have them give me back my full speed
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u dont get it right?
unlimited data doesnt mean unlimited full speed
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I don't think they're capping your data. They're capping your speed, slowing down your data connection. So when they say unlimited data, it still is unlimited data. I'm no longer a T-Mo customer, but from what I remember, they don't guarantee speeds.
Just so it is clear. Read your T&C for more details.
T-MobileUSA recently started enforcing data throttling. This is different from a data cap. Specifically, if you use more than 5gb of data in your billing cycle, T-mo may throttle your speed down to a slower speed. This is to discourage people from tethering their phones to their computers for internet, and push the use of their usb data rockets.
A simple google search for "tmobile data throttling" will provide you with even more information.
Yea thats right. After hitting the 5gb data usage you get that txt msg and supposedly they will throttle to a lower speed. But like I mentioned before. They didnt do that to me. So OP. Check first before you want to complain. And yes its unlimited data. Just be glad tmo doesnt charge us more for hitting past 5gb. Other carriers throttle past 2gb. I know before our cap was 10gb.
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Yea thats right. After hitting the 5gb data usage you get that txt msg and supposedly they will throttle to a lower speed. But like I mentioned before. They didnt do that to me. So OP. Check first before you want to complain. And yes its unlimited data. Just be glad tmo doesnt charge us more for hitting past 5gb. Other carriers throttle past 2gb. I know before our cap was 10gb.
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Yeah definetly must have over looked that part in a fit of I just got throttled rage
Well I think in turn all t-mobile users should tether their phones and attack data intensive sites and devour the limitless data
Hopefully they add a solution for tethering because the vibrant is due to get froyo and the ability too tether is included without apps even a 5 dollar fee to prevent throttled data would be nice
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Give me a break, using >5G of data on your mobile phone is CLEARLY not using the data ON the phone, therefore they should have the right to do whatever they want to limit you at that point.
I'm sure T-Mobile has a plan that's intended to be used as your main internet connection. What you have is intended to feed your phone, not your torrents.
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Give me a break, using >5G of data on your mobile phone is CLEARLY not using the data ON the phone, therefore they should have the right to do whatever they want to limit you at that point.
I'm sure T-Mobile has a plan that's intended to be used as your main internet connection. What you have is intended to feed your phone, not your torrents.
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that's not true, I have used well over 5 gb and have never tethered my phone. downloading roms takes a lot of usage. I am on verizon though and never been throttled
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khaytsus said:
Give me a break, using >5G of data on your mobile phone is CLEARLY not using the data ON the phone, therefore they should have the right to do whatever they want to limit you at that point.
I'm sure T-Mobile has a plan that's intended to be used as your main internet connection. What you have is intended to feed your phone, not your torrents.
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I don't tether or download torrents or anything like that with my data plan. I dont even download ROMs. What I do use it for is to use applications on my phone like the MediaHUB, beyondPOD and amazonMP3 and i watch tv shows, movies and pod casts and buy music. you know, like the Avatar movie that came with my phone so they could show off how great it is for doing that sort of thing.
To then throttle my speed because I use the phone to download content from apps that come installed on my phone when I bought it is bull. They claim that only 1% use over 5GB a month, but that is the same thing they said when it was at 10GB throttle point. Is that 1% counted from only the people that have unlimited data plans? do they include phones that don't have really have many apps that are data centric, like the sidekicks, blackberrys and even winmo... Are they going to throttle everyone that exceeds 5GB a month on the Galaxy S Tab too?
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I don't tether or download torrents or anything like that with my data plan. I dont even download ROMs. What I do use it for is to use applications on my phone like the MediaHUB, beyondPOD and amazonMP3 and i watch tv shows, movies and pod casts and buy music. you know, like the Avatar movie that came with my phone so they could show off how great it is for doing that sort of thing.
To then throttle my speed because I use the phone to download content from apps that come installed on my phone when I bought it is bull. They claim that only 1% use over 5GB a month, but that is the same thing they said when it was at 10GB throttle point. Is that 1% counted from only the people that have unlimited data plans? do they include phones that don't have really have many apps that are data centric, like the sidekicks, blackberrys and even winmo... Are they going to throttle everyone that exceeds 5GB a month on the Galaxy S Tab too?
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I don't download torrents I tether my phone to my home computer because its easier to work with a full keyboard (not too mention streaming netflix).
The fact that they cripple or cap the functionality of the data is unfair. I understand that they have a data modem that they try to promote but they shouldn't force you into its arm's.
I still ask what they will do when FroYo introduces tethering ... Will they cap everyone who exceeds the 5 gb limit
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You did agree to the terms and conditions of their service, right?
It may have changed since you signed up, but here is the current one:
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/P...&PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Some of the highlights that I believe have not changed for a few years now are:
Number 1. Acceptance.
Number 5. Our Rights to Make Changes.
Unfortunately those two topics are seen with almost any provider. You can continue with T-mobile and pay less per month, or you can always go to Verizon where they (so far) haven't put a throttle in place and pay more per month.
I thought they already announced a tethering plan for an additional 15$ with the unlimited data so 40$ a month is what it still cost .well in my neck of the woods
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T-mobile is planning on charging for tethering just like every other company is already doing..You should be happy your able to get more than 2gb unlike at&t..The cap was 10gb before they introduced Hspa+ I'm not complaining..Like i said be happy you actually have unlimited data
Wow I don't think you realise how lucky you are being capped at 5gb.... here in the UK most networks cap "unlimited" at 500mb! I'm with vodafone and I get 1gb, if I exceed that then I instantly get charged £5 per 500mb (even 1kb over and I'm charged!)
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Im on vodafone uk and theu told me i had unlimited data but its only one gb cap ****ing lying scum bags
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ironlood said:
I don't download torrents I tether my phone to my home computer because its easier to work with a full keyboard (not too mention streaming netflix).
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Wait...so you use your phone as your home internet connection?
Edit: Also, saying you want everyone to start tethering their phones and basically flood their network, to punish them? More than likely that would just cause them to put a data cap on their plans, like every other provider is doing. I'm on Verizon, so I don't care, but shooting yourself in the foot isn't exactly smart.
khaytsus said:
Give me a break, using >5G of data on your mobile phone is CLEARLY not using the data ON the phone, therefore they should have the right to do whatever they want to limit you at that point.
I'm sure T-Mobile has a plan that's intended to be used as your main internet connection. What you have is intended to feed your phone, not your torrents.
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it is SOOOOO EASY to get that much data usage ON a phone. Simply just keep pandora or other internet radio constantly running along with the fact that you can multi-task and use data for other **** too and before you know it you're over 5gb
Has any other aria users got the dreaded att tethering text warning? i got one today and was wondering if this was just a ploy to scare us into stoping / changing plans or can they really tell.
i read something about changing the TTL number in our device cause that is tipping them off. Also read about different APN's being used for phone / tethered use.
I have been tethering for well over 2 years now, averaging between 5 to 10 gigs of data a month, so if they can tell that it is tethering and not phone usage why have they waited till now to try and stop me?
Does any one have any advice?
My guess (and this is strictly a guess, I don't have any inside knowledge or anything) is that they likely went after the biggest, easiest target group of people who were tethering without tethering plans first - which I would guess are jailbroken iphone users. After that, they are probably going after the biggest data users. at 5-10 GB per month, I'd guess (again I don't know) that you probably don't qualify in this category either. Maybe they've finally gotten around to going after the small-ish heavy data users??
Ha I got one of those txt msg today too. Mine didn't have any warning or anything it simply said something about tethering and to call them for details.
I don't think they can change your plan without your permission.
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Bryan583 said:
Ha I got one of those txt msg today too. Mine didn't have any warning or anything it simply said something about tethering and to call them for details.
I don't think they can change your plan without your permission.
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Sure they can. Stick a sim with no data plan in a smart phone and watch how fast they throw a data plan on the line without your permission.
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Sure they can. Stick a sim with no data plan in a smart phone and watch how fast they throw a data plan on the line without your permission.
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They definitely will change it. Heard it straight from AT&T guy.
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I know they can change your plan of you violate the TOS, which I am by tethering. But it is my under standing that with iphones there is something in the software that is telling them. That is why they cracked down on iPhone users first. Butt I am on a fully rooted aria with CM7. So there is nothing software wise that squealing on me. So is it the way the data is transferred ( apn, ttl, ???), or are they just guessing based on data usage.
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I know they can change your plan of you violate the TOS, which I am by tethering. But it is my under standing that with iphones there is something in the software that is telling them. That is why they cracked down on iPhone users first. Butt I am on a fully rooted aria with CM7. So there is nothing software wise that squealing on me. So is it the way the data is transferred ( apn, ttl, ???), or are they just guessing based on data usage.
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Nerds just know.
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Nerds just know.
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ROFL
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ha. When you said 5-10 gigs I was taken back. I went to the ATT store about a month ago and asked how much data I used last month. 125 mb!!!! This is because I am always on wifi unless I am traveling. After hearing this I almost began tethering!
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ha. When you said 5-10 gigs I was taken back. I went to the ATT store about a month ago and asked how much data I used last month. 125 mb!!!! This is because I am always on wifi unless I am traveling. After hearing this I almost began tethering!
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I use around 10gb a month easily. The way I see it I'm paying for unlimited data so I'm gonna use unlimited. Recently it seems like I've been throttled back a bit (just a guess not positive) .
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Are you using a stock rom? I assume since you actually have the hotspot software installed you are using a 3rd party rom.
Not all roms remove the AT&T apn that you connect to when using hotspot instead of basic tethering. (AT&T paid tethering uses isp.cingular, while your normal data connection, and the apn you should tether through is wap.cingular).
Im a heavy data user (5-10gb+), never gotten a text message to upgrade my account (MediaNET) or to stop tethering (using wap.cingular only)
Also, Ive had this discussion on xda a long time ago, but it seems a very few of us might be grandfathered in. Last time I got a phone (and updated my contract) from AT&T was back when they were AT&T the first time around. Before Cingular. Still buying new/used phones on ebay, and keeping my unlimited MediaNET account. My wife has a BB, and I use an Android phone, and neither one of use has ever been forced into a new data plan.
Ive also always paid my bill on time, and online, and I literally have never called AT&T for any sort of problem. (which from what Ive read, the CSR will instantly upgrade your plan if they see anything awry with your account.)
Check your rom, make sure you're using the correct apn, remove the tethering data plan using your online account tools, and try not to tether so much. (surf, don't download.)
Root
You can root your aria by useing unrevoked... When you have done that download liberated 2.2 rom and flash it...When that is done and click wifi hotspot and there you go.. THis willl also unlock unknown sources option and allow you to get non market apps (Swype) Hope this helped!
Bumping an old thread.
After years and years, I finally got the txt message, and a letter in the mail today!
(the tethering letter, not the "we're going to force upgrade your plan" letter)
Going to stop tethering (haven't tethered in months at all, but did use ttorrent, a native android torrent program over the past month)
Been out of contract forever, would hate to have to buy new phones, but would consider changing providers if they get rid of our cheap data plan.
Good opportunity for a bump, yes. I have my own recent experience.
I remember a few months ago trying to manually set up an APN to get around it... and what finally worked was to install unrevoked and then Liberated. Then I could run the wireless hotspot without trouble.
However... I started having issues downloading MMS... pictures just wouldn't download easily or at all sometimes... I had this problem for a few months, while the wifi hotspotting worked fine. I googled this "network error" I was getting while trying to download MMS attachments, and it said that the Aria has problems switching between two different APN's.
SO... I removed the second APN. Now, I'm not sure if it's the one I originally created BEFORE Liberated, or if Liberated installed its own secondary APN. What I *DO* know is that removing my second APN (and leaving just the locked "MEdia Net" one) fixed my MMS problem... BUT... IT RETURNED THE DAMN "no tethering" notification when I tried to run the hotspot again!!!
WTF??
I hate this. WHAT is it that generates that message?
EDIT: SO I re-created the second (unlocked) APN profile.. I called it "root" and copied all the info from the locked MEdia Net APN profile, and I somehow apparently remembered that the password was CINGULAR, because now when I try the wifi hotspot it works without the error.
SO... it needs to use a fresh profile, because something in the original locked "MEdia Net" APN profile is what triggers the damn wifi error "call 611" message.
I just hope I don't get more MMS problems again. I wish there was a way a guru could get into the "locked" MEdiaNet APN and see what is causing the lockout, and how to remove it, so we can just have ONE APN profile.
But meh. I got tethering back.
NOW... to answer some questions that some of you have raised here... I spoke to two different AT&T techs on the phone.. I made sure to get North American call centers, one in Kentucky I think and the other was in northern California. Both of them said essentially the same thing:
Throttling back will occur with the TOP 5% of data users. These are people who use somewhere around 15-20 gigs a month (which is way beyond the common tiered 2GB limit).
NOW, for those of us who tether, it depends. If you're streaming crap, downloading programs and lots of media, then YES, you're going to push yourself into the higher bracket. However, one of the techs mentioned that he uses Pandora with his Inspire on the HD setting, and he listens to it in his cubicle at work every day, and on the way to and from work in his car. He said he still never goes beyond his 2GB limit. I had been using Pandora on my Aria without the realization there was an HD setting (so apparently I've been enjoying the lower bandwidth stream without issues, sounds fine to me). I haven't even put a dent in my usage.
The only people who truly need to worry about tethering and bandwidth and throttling and Aria phones (and pretty much all the Android phones, won't speak for iPhone on this) are those power users who are tethering their phone to their computer CONSTANTLY, and raping the net for all sorts of streams and media downloads... bittorrents, emule feeds, etc. People who are indeed abusing things and doing so not for one month, but he said for a few consecutive months. Honestly, those are the people who SHOULD be throttled IMO. I don't mind the idea of someone going over their 2GB limit, or in the case of the few remaining people on Unlimited data plans (such as myself), doing so a few months scattered throughout the year is one thing, but consistently syphoning at high transfers every month in a row... yeah, that's not 99% of us.
So really, I'll keep tethering my Galaxy Tab to my phone, rather than pay for my Tab's data plan. I *can't* do any hardcore data hogging on this Galaxy Tab. It just makes sense to take advantage of my Aria's 3G data, since I can use it more comfortably on the tablet than on the tiny Aria. Truth be told, that's why I got the Aria... small and a great phone, able to serve the tablet data, and on those rare moments where all I have on me is the phone, do pretty much most the basic Android things.
Anyways I hope this contributes some to the thread.
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Good opportunity for a bump, yes. I have my own recent experience.
I remember a few months ago trying to manually set up an APN to get around it... and what finally worked was to install unrevoked and then Liberated. Then I could run the wireless hotspot without trouble.
However... I started having issues downloading MMS... pictures just wouldn't download easily or at all sometimes... I had this problem for a few months, while the wifi hotspotting worked fine. I googled this "network error" I was getting while trying to download MMS attachments, and it said that the Aria has problems switching between two different APN's.
SO... I removed the second APN. Now, I'm not sure if it's the one I originally created BEFORE Liberated, or if Liberated installed its own secondary APN. What I *DO* know is that removing my second APN (and leaving just the locked "MEdia Net" one) fixed my MMS problem... BUT... IT RETURNED THE DAMN "no tethering" notification when I tried to run the hotspot again!!!
WTF??
I hate this. WHAT is it that generates that message?
EDIT: SO I re-created the second (unlocked) APN profile.. I called it "root" and copied all the info from the locked MEdia Net APN profile, and I somehow apparently remembered that the password was CINGULAR, because now when I try the wifi hotspot it works without the error.
SO... it needs to use a fresh profile, because something in the original locked "MEdia Net" APN profile is what triggers the damn wifi error "call 611" message.
I just hope I don't get more MMS problems again. I wish there was a way a guru could get into the "locked" MEdiaNet APN and see what is causing the lockout, and how to remove it, so we can just have ONE APN profile.
But meh. I got tethering back.
NOW... to answer some questions that some of you have raised here... I spoke to two different AT&T techs on the phone.. I made sure to get North American call centers, one in Kentucky I think and the other was in northern California. Both of them said essentially the same thing:
Throttling back will occur with the TOP 5% of data users. These are people who use somewhere around 15-20 gigs a month (which is way beyond the common tiered 2GB limit).
NOW, for those of us who tether, it depends. If you're streaming crap, downloading programs and lots of media, then YES, you're going to push yourself into the higher bracket. However, one of the techs mentioned that he uses Pandora with his Inspire on the HD setting, and he listens to it in his cubicle at work every day, and on the way to and from work in his car. He said he still never goes beyond his 2GB limit. I had been using Pandora on my Aria without the realization there was an HD setting (so apparently I've been enjoying the lower bandwidth stream without issues, sounds fine to me). I haven't even put a dent in my usage.
The only people who truly need to worry about tethering and bandwidth and throttling and Aria phones (and pretty much all the Android phones, won't speak for iPhone on this) are those power users who are tethering their phone to their computer CONSTANTLY, and raping the net for all sorts of streams and media downloads... bittorrents, emule feeds, etc. People who are indeed abusing things and doing so not for one month, but he said for a few consecutive months. Honestly, those are the people who SHOULD be throttled IMO. I don't mind the idea of someone going over their 2GB limit, or in the case of the few remaining people on Unlimited data plans (such as myself), doing so a few months scattered throughout the year is one thing, but consistently syphoning at high transfers every month in a row... yeah, that's not 99% of us.
So really, I'll keep tethering my Galaxy Tab to my phone, rather than pay for my Tab's data plan. I *can't* do any hardcore data hogging on this Galaxy Tab. It just makes sense to take advantage of my Aria's 3G data, since I can use it more comfortably on the tablet than on the tiny Aria. Truth be told, that's why I got the Aria... small and a great phone, able to serve the tablet data, and on those rare moments where all I have on me is the phone, do pretty much most the basic Android things.
Anyways I hope this contributes some to the thread.
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Well, that's a BIG bump... it's probably a pimple .
Update
i figured i would give an update to everyone. after making my initial posts i checked my data usage for the month prior to getting the "text warning" and i used 38+ GB (damn torrrents). ooops! hehehe. i guess that explains it.
Some side info, Duh! yes i am rooted. cm 7.1, Using wap.cingular APN
I called ATT, got the special division that was set up to deal with this issue. told the lady that i didn't tether i just streamed constantly. she didn't know anything about how they detected that i was tethering but as long as i didn't tether after sept 30th nothing would be changed on my account. i am still tethering as we speak and no changes have been made to my account. the only thing that i changed (besides a lot less usage) was the default TTL number on my PC.
I guess we will see when this months bill comes in. I'll keep everyone posted.
I too called the special dept. And told them a similar story that I stream from YouTube, Pandora, etc. I've also told them I've never tethered and my aria wouldn't let me. I tried it once and got a message to call 611 to enable this feature.
But now I'm a month or so into it and still no bill change.
Side note- I found a couple apps in the market that are torrent apps so now I download to my phone. Megaupload downloaded, mediafire, file serve, ect. And just surf with the tether.
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Well, another bump...
Even with the WAP.CINGULAR APN profile I am now getting the dreaded "611" popup. Rebooted twice. Reselected the custom APN multiple times. Still nada. And I only tethered a few times a week for surfing, and only a few minutes each time. So make of that what you will.
What to about my tethering issue
The whole reason I signed up for ATT was so I could tether my Atrix and play online poker (10MB/hour.)
All I did was root my phone and change a PostSQL value to enable tethering. I played poker fine, but eventually got greedy and started D/L all sorts of crap going well over my 2GB/month contract and was billed.
I just recently got the nastygram from ATT and haven't called them yet.
Could someone please explain to me what I need to do so after I call ATT I won't be detected tethering again?
I'm a semi-android newb, but certainly no linux/computer newb. Thanks for help
Ok so when I use my hotspot, I get the T-mobile page that comes up and says "T-Mobile Smartphone Hotspot yada, yada" unless I change the UserAgent. However, I was rooting a person's phone (also on T-Mobile), and once I rooted it and installed tethering, his worked flawlessly without any even having to change the UA. So I said "just for the heck of it, let's change SIMs", so we swap SIMs. So I put his SIM in my phone, and guess what, it worked flawlessly with no blocks. I found out he was on the $50 Pre-Paid 4G plan, and I'm a shared unlimited 4G data contract plan with my Girlfriend. So I guessing maybe they are blocking Hotspot on Contract plans, but not Pre-Paid Plans. I don't know if this was discussed before, but I thought it was interesting. What you guys think.
Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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I second this. It worked fine no problems for me without changing anything. Then finally the other day when I had it connected to my laptop and I was doing a ton of things including some downloads it finally popped up. Funny thing was my downloads kept on downloading
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I never had that pop up on my Amaze till I decided to update my PS3 on it since my wifi took a $hit. It still works and lets me tether.
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I had some trouble but a little APN change made it work, maybe that could help, search for it.
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hey i posted this in the other tethering thread but just in case anyone missed it, dont change to the android user agent because you will have to deal with stupid mobile sites on your pc while tethering, instead use the opera user agent to get non mobile sites.
Ive been using IE6 or IE7 UA on mine with no problems
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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The $50 Monthly 4G plan throttles your data to EDGE speeds after 100mb.
The $60 Monthly 4G plan does the same at 2.5GB.
So if you 'use alot of data' you just get choked to dialup speed automatically - weather it's with your phone or with tethering...
If they are doing an HTTP-proxy-based tether-block now (eg, if it looks for user-agent strings), just use TOR or CoDEEN to get around that.
Straight Talk for the i777 is totally there for you to make the switch. All you need is :
Straight talk Sim
At least on months service
Correct APN via settings>carrier>APN (access point names)
What device are you thinking or leaning towards after your i777? We wanna know. Share your next move with your straight talk service!
This is the link to the nexus 4 with straight talk. If you wanna check it out. I'm gonna also put up another link that talks about why everyone should actually look into this method of service.
Nexus 4 straight talk
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1996686
Why this is a great choice. I take no credit for this. I have only read and wanted to share!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
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Straight Talk is cheap and a good option if you don't use (much) data.
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Straight Talk is cheap and a good option if you don't use (much) data.
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I think so. I do mainly have WiFi around me all day anyway. Home and work. I listen to Pandora on the way to and from though.
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If you'll be using the AT&T network, be careful. They also track daily data usage. Something like 70-100mb a day will cause you to get suspended.
Yeah. I was reading the nexus 4 thread for the straight talk. They where changing the info and proxy info to not get suspended and or get better data and cell coverage. Think that's possible with the i777 as well?
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I was looking into the straight talk plans for my son. The one plan says its 45 a month with unlimited talk text and data. Is it not unlimited?
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I was looking into the straight talk plans for my son. The one plan says its 45 a month with unlimited talk text and data. Is it not unlimited?
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Not truly unlimited. I would read the fine print. There's something called the fair usage policy or something like that. Still a good deal if your son is not a heavy user
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I was looking into the straight talk plans for my son. The one plan says its 45 a month with unlimited talk text and data. Is it not unlimited?
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Not unlimited. Head over to the nexus 4 (straight talk thread) and read what those guys are doing. You can change some codes around to get better signal strength and do things to not get capped on data. Its pretty neat. Im headed in that direction. I'm not resigning again. I'm gonna use this phone to make the switch.
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I switched over roughly 4 months ago and couldn't be happier. I get more than I did with ATT for less money. I was only getting 450 minutes, 200 texts and unlimited data for around $80, where as I now get unlimited everything for $45 a month.
I haven't noticed anything in regards to data caps. I'm not an extremely heavy user, but I don't attempt to use as little as possible either. Most of the extremely heavy users are people that are just abusing the system anyway.
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I switched over roughly 4 months ago and couldn't be happier. I get more than I did with ATT for less money. I was only getting 450 minutes, 200 texts and unlimited data for around $80, where as I now get unlimited everything for $45 a month.
I haven't noticed anything in regards to data caps. I'm not an extremely heavy user, but I don't attempt to use as little as possible either. Most of the extremely heavy users are people that are just abusing the system anyway.
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Thank you for your posting. Just another reason to amp me forward on the straight talk. You have straight talk? Im guessing yes. Can you describe the route you chose and how long it took to get running. Are you using the i777.? I don't have to use data that much really eaither.
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Thank you for your posting. Just another reason to amp me forward on the straight talk. You have straight talk? Im guessing yes. Can you describe the route you chose and how long it took to get running. Are you using the i777.? I don't have to use data that much really eaither.
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Correct. I have the i777. I purchased the sim card from their website. It took roughly 3 business days for the sim card to get here. If you're looking to keep your same phone number/port it to Straight Talk. I found the most effective method for doing so is doing it through the Straight Talk website where you simply fill in the forms with your information as well as your account information. The transfer process took approximately 30 seconds to finish(not including typing in the information). I was up and running on Straight Talk basically immediately after submitting the information and putting the sim card in my phone. Now that time frame can vary, but I've seen that it's a rather consistent trend in regards to transfer times. I swapped my fiancee's phone over as well(she is using the Infuse) and it took the same time frame to complete. Just make sure you have all of your information on hand when you are ready to transfer over(phone number, account number, password/pin, social security number of the account holder of the previous carrier and their basic contact information as well.)
My wife has the iphone4s. At&t. We are going go both do it. I'm up for renewal now. She is soon. Sounds pretty smooth on the transition.
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First I've heard of "Straight Talk". I've rarely used data in the past, and only started because I was paying for it anyway
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If you'll be using the AT&T network, be careful. They also track daily data usage. Something like 70-100mb a day will cause you to get suspended.
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What? Man...can't they just let us use the service we pay for!?!?!
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First I've heard of "Straight Talk". I've rarely used data in the past, and only started because I was paying for it anyway
What? Man...can't they just let us use the service we pay for!?!?!
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And that's att for you
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OneOfMany07 said:
First I've heard of "Straight Talk". I've rarely used data in the past, and only started because I was paying for it anyway
What? Man...can't they just let us use the service we pay for!?!?!
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I don't think its that bad....its the people who abuse the data that get capped on data usage.... from what I understand. Also, some are experiencing lower speeds due to high volumes in certain areas with heavy usage and peak times. Thinking that is being idled down ......
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Ive been using straight talk for about 2 weeks now ,its better than att , surprising how there service uses the same towers and yet with att our service sucked , ,switch to ST and BAM!! we already have better service ,I live in the sticks in Oklahoma and still get better service , My phone is a Galaxy Note and it rocks , my wifes been using a Samsung Focus win phone 7 and orks but cant get mms to work , but I just got an S2 and in the process of updating it to use with ST , just need to find a way to transfer her contacts!
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Ive been using straight talk for about 2 weeks now ,its better than att , surprising how there service uses the same towers and yet with att our service sucked , ,switch to ST and BAM!! we already have better service ,I live in the sticks in Oklahoma and still get better service , My phone is a Galaxy Note and it rocks , my wifes been using a Samsung Focus win phone 7 and orks but cant get mms to work , but I just got an S2 and in the process of updating it to use with ST , just need to find a way to transfer her contacts!
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Sweet that's nice to know. Well if she has Google on her focus then you can just transfer over her account on to the s2 and her contacts should be there . Just have to make sure its Synced. I'm not very familiar with the windows set up. Thank you for posting and sharing feedback. Good luck with the transition on to the s2 (much better phone!)
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^ I concur to this statement
ST S2 i777 Settings.
Glad to know that someone has the S2 running on ST. Unfortunately, I've not been able to get my phone to connect. I think when I got the phone the EFS/NV files had been corrupted.
Can any of you guys who have a working system for ST with an i777 please post up your settings. You can copy and paste the information below and fill in the details by looking at the Wireless & Networks > Mobile Networks > Access Point Names. You can leave your Username and Password off if you have it set but it should say NOT SET.
Name:
APN:
Proxy:
Port:
UserName:
Password:
Server:
MMSC:
MMS Proxy:
MMS Port:
MCC:
MNC:
Authentication Type:
APN Type:
APN Protocol:
APN Enable/Disable: Check Marked but Greyed Out.
Bearer:
The information that I got with the ST card with all of the settings does NOT list the MCC or MNC settings and the settings I found online do NOT match the settings I was given by the ST rep when I talked to them on the phone. So any help/settings would be appreciated.
Thank you for your time and trouble folks.
BTW, I'll go again and see if I can find a "Settings" thread and delete this post if I do.
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Pm zeroisntahero. He has st on the i777 . Good luck ! I hope you can get it resolved.
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Ok. So I have always just had 4G in my area until recently. I have the APN info to run unthrottled. I have an unlimited data plan and I use my phone for tethering my computer and my xboxs at home. Since it is now LTE now my UNTHROTTLED, APN switches on and off randomly and eventually knocks me back to the regular ATT PTA APN. I want to find a way to lock my phone to 4G only so I can stay on the unthrottled APN so I can at least have 2mbps instead of being throttled down to 500kbps a quarter of the way through the month. Which makes it practically impossible to play xbox games online or stream a movie, Download anything is a headache now. The worst part about it is even the LTE maxes out at 5mbps where I live anyways so it's not like I'm getting 21+ like I do in other LTE areas. Is there anyway around this or should I invest in an Android 4G only phone and just use it while at home? Thanks for any help that someone could give me.
Excessive data use always gets throttled. No way around it. I'm not saying "excessive use", at&t is.
They easily track usage by your sim card and IEMI, so APN settings don't matter.
Actually.....
Actually. With the APN I had it never got throttled. I was doing 46gigs+ a month. Never ever got throttled until it knocked me up to LTE and made my phone skip the un throttled APN.
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Excessive data use always gets throttled. No way around it. I'm not saying "excessive use", at&t is.
They easily track usage by your sim card and IEMI, so APN settings don't matter.
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46GBs? It's about time you did get throttled. 4G and LTE APN's should both be throttled APNs. Try the 3G APN.
I agree, save some bandwidth for the rest of us. I don't know how you haven't had your account closed down yet, or why you weren't throttled using a particular APN for so long. Must have just been network goofiness, because like rangercaptain said, that's not how AT&T tracks you for throttling anyway.
Edit: Moving to a 3G APN shouldn't matter either. Nor would being on a 2G or 3G-only tower. No matter what I'm connected to, I'm still limited to 5GB/month before getting throttled, because that's where grandfathered LTE plans are set. Doesn't matter if I'm actually using LTE or not, it's per-plan.
46+ Gb? Really???? Unbelievable! No, really. Unbelievable. You must mean 4.6 Gb because you'd be turned off, or at least you'd be getting communications from your carrier. I think either you are telling stories or you don't really know what you are talking about.
Johnus is 100% correct for AT&T. You get 5 Gb unthrottled per unlimited plan. Doesn't matter if you consume that 5 Gb using LTE, 4G, 3G, or string and soup cans.
I'm serious. I was getting months of 46 and more gigs without being throttled using one specific APN. The weird thing is now that yesterday I cut my phone on and all my APNs were gone except the default. They don't mess with me because the last time they tried to take me off unlimited for tethering I caused a big scene and kept on getting my call transfered up to a higher and higher management denying the fact that I did it and threatened them with a lawsuit. I already have a FCC complaint set up against them for throttling since it was never notified of agreed to a change in my plan. I was using a 4G APN that had what looked like corporate **** on it because I to this day can't find the info I had that I put in to get away with it. Now that it's LTE now it cuts 4G to completely off to 4G not allowing me to stay online longer than 15mins before it shuts down. That's all erased somehow now. My tethering file is deleted and I use wifitether app to do my tethering and have not been caught while tethering since I did that over 6months ago and for 6months I have been using about 50g a month
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I guess they won.
It's far from over. I'm over 6gigs now and not throttled. Since using the tweakker APN. And I have been told if you file an FCC complaint they will let you run wide open once it gets filed with them. Usually take a month or two. They have so many lawsuits pending right now they can not deal with another.
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..... And in my area, I assure you that my data usage is not effecting any of you. I live 30miles outside of Memphis TN. In the middle of nowhere. A year ago my phone only picked up in one spot in my entire house. The city is so small they banned any towers for going up because of the fear of radiation. I live around a bunch of ignorant rednecks that use Walmart prepaid phones and the only Internet they know of is Hughes Net and the local library.
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Where can I find a full ATT APN list?
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Really not sure I can take anything you say as serious. That said, if you get anywhere with you supposed FCC filing, you'd be the first. The issue has already been tested and AT&T is on firm ground.
This is how you can take me seriously. That shows my data usage.
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Gonna post this months data usage with my Internet speed.. It never shows a tether is being used. It is unexplainable by looking at the phone info where the data is using. Which is also exactly what ATT gets, they have no clue where I'm using so much data.
http://junkheadinc.tumblr.com/post/45506357010/this-months-data-usage-showing-i-havent-been
http://junkheadinc.tumblr.com/post/45506322704/my-speeds-att-4g-lte-unthrottled
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Gonna post this months data usage with my Internet speed.. It never shows a tether is being used. It is unexplainable by looking at the phone info where the data is using. Which is also exactly what ATT gets, they have no clue where I'm using so much data.
http://junkheadinc.tumblr.com/post/45506357010/this-months-data-usage-showing-i-havent-been
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My apologies. I gotta admit, the proof is in the pics. I know that ATT would normally go ballistic about this so I don't really understand why you're getting away with it. They really don't care what you use the data for. Normally, all they care about is how much data you've used in a month. You are getting away with murder, my man. Good for you!
It's because they have threatened me in the past. I threatened back and they backed off. But it was before I deleted the tether file and used wifi tether app. They busted me for tethering now they can't. Can't tell what I'm using it for. It's like they try to throttle me at certain times. Randomly now that I have LTE coming thru at my home. I was wondering how many others have figured this out. I guess it is just that I threatened to put a lawsuit on them.
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Another speed test. Just to rub it in a bit. Try the route I did. Let me know if it works for you
By the way my Xbox GAMERTAG is junkheadINC for anyone interested in some multiplayer action.
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Try the route I did. Let me know if it works for you.
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Can you give some more info on what you did? I'll give it a go and see if i can pull the wool over their eyes, too.
Nice speedtest results. The upload is incredible.