Since SDE was released, who wants to build some fresh and shiny android which might be running someday side by side with AVOS (Archos Android)?
What do we need (openembedded?)?
Installation of Other OS:
root: /mnt/storage/rootfs.img
kernel:
Reboot into Recovery Mode (howto)
Recovery System -> Developer Edition Menu -> Flash Kernel and Initramfs
Connect USB and copy "zImage" and "initramfs.cpio.gz" to the Archos
Unmount Archos on PC (safe remove)
Press ok on Archos
Don't you think dev's are already working on this right now?
OpenAS is a site to look at, there are a few in fact and some even on XDA.
your instructions are sort of nothing anyone who has booted the angstrom distribution can see that?
this thread is a bit pointless. your asking for devs to create something they are already working on and you can't help as you don't know how?
no, you just missed the point. I AM (or want to be) a dev, see my other thread about dvb-t support
and now I'm looking for some help and informations.
this thread should be dedicated to building gen8 android (2.2 / 2.3 / ...) roms, I don't care much about angstrom.
I'm not one of those annoying guys who just complaining about others work, I want to get my hands dirty and do some work! I already checked openaos out, there a lot of informations about gen6 and gen7 but not gen8, this is why I started this thread here.
summarizing informations, that's the point.
ok fair enough
it's more likely though someone will do a port and use it over the current android system as apposed to using the SDE. Most dev's will be concentrating on other O/S's such as Ubuntu etc.
I can see why you want to do it but im not sure it will be done this way. We havent even managed to get perm root yet, sadly the archos wont get a lot of love I fear.
we have perm root, just use SDE and put an android in it we can decide everything
edit: either you hack the gen8 and get rid of SDE and archos' android and put whatever you want on it or you stay with SDE and dual boot (sounds a less "brickable" choice to me)
chulri said:
no, you just missed the point. I AM (or want to be) a dev, see my other thread about dvb-t support
and now I'm looking for some help and informations.
this thread should be dedicated to building gen8 android (2.2 / 2.3 / ...) roms, I don't care much about angstrom.
I'm not one of those annoying guys who just complaining about others work, I want to get my hands dirty and do some work! I already checked openaos out, there a lot of informations about gen6 and gen7 but not gen8, this is why I started this thread here.
summarizing informations, that's the point.
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I have no idea what you're talking about, but I say go with your dreams and keep up the good work (whatever work that may be).
Don't let anyone tell you you can't do it (whatever "it" may be). Any contribution to making my A70 better is a + in my book.
chulri said:
we have perm root, just use SDE and put an android in it we can decide everything
edit: either you hack the gen8 and get rid of SDE and archos' android and put whatever you want on it or you stay with SDE and dual boot (sounds a less "brickable" choice to me)
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But it's pointless having android 2.2 / 2.3 running alongside android 2.2 / 2.3
it would be a complete waste of time especially as archos are currently working on it anyway.
It would achieve nothing, the SDE would be much better used running ubuntu/winxp or other, running android as a secondary boot option is a waste of development time and I cant see anyone wanting to do it?
by all means join in getting a good distro to run but not another version of android when all we are missing is root anyway. I think your getting confused as to what SDE is used for.
why would someone want to run ubuntu on this hardware? winxp is out of scope as it doesn't support arm processors.
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by all means join in getting a good distro to run but not another version of android when all we are missing is root anyway. I think your getting confused as to what SDE is used for.
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why shouldn't we have root in SDE?? The SDE is the only way (so far, gen8 hasn't been hacked yet) to get perm root and custom roms.
why won't you just use SDE to run custom android roms? why it has to be ubuntu or any other bloated linux distribution?
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But it's pointless having android 2.2 / 2.3 running alongside android 2.2 / 2.3
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no it's not, because archos won't let us do customizations. it would be easy for archos to let us perm root everything but they won't. so what are you going to do to make android comfortablier and less buggy on gen8? a) hack it and flash custom roms and may brick it or b) use sde and flash custom roms without the possibility to brick it
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no it's not, because archos won't let us do customizations. it would be easy for archos to let us perm root everything but they won't. so what are you going to do to make android comfortablier and less buggy on gen8? a) hack it and flash custom roms and may brick it or b) use sde and flash custom roms without the possibility to brick it
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Agreed, who cares if you have more then one build of Android on a device? On other devices people have developed their own method of doing this exact thing. SDE is a great idea to let people load custom ROMs onto their device without fear of bricking. Now if someone would just get one developed....
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no it's not, because archos won't let us do customizations. it would be easy for archos to let us perm root everything but they won't. so what are you going to do to make android comfortablier and less buggy on gen8? a) hack it and flash custom roms and may brick it or b) use sde and flash custom roms without the possibility to brick it
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Archos have released the source code, the only thing that's missing is Root.
The distro is already pretty close to stock even the BT stack is android native allowing us to use wiimote etc.
Archos have done a pretty "pure" android release Cynogen's goal is get a pure android rom working. Stock it's not that far away now?
and what about ISO, windows 7 (mobile), tiny linux, yellow dog, many other great distro's. All im saying is wait until root is achieved (it's being worked on) nd see what happens to the default android then.
Your may be jumping the gun a bit developing something that's not needed
waz000000 said:
But it's pointless having android 2.2 / 2.3 running alongside android 2.2 / 2.3
it would be a complete waste of time especially as archos are currently working on it anyway.
It would achieve nothing, the SDE would be much better used running ubuntu/winxp or other, running android as a secondary boot option is a waste of development time and I cant see anyone wanting to do it?
by all means join in getting a good distro to run but not another version of android when all we are missing is root anyway. I think your getting confused as to what SDE is used for.
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was agreeing with you until this post.
the point is that Archos have up until now done a bit of a shoddy job of their Android builds. We all want the archos tablet running smoothly and as best we can and also would like to have 2.3+ on our devices which is probably unlikely by any official means.
and saying archos are "currently working on it" is a little silly given what forum you are on! (whats the point in people making custom roms for HTC devices... HTC are working on it anyway?!)
@wazalotofzeros
oh come on, are you kidding me? why is it so hard to understand that a rooted android or even custom roms are wanted by a lot of archos users (see archosfans.com)
whats the point of installing any linux distribution instead of android?
why are you telling me its pointless to do custom roms for the Archos Gen8 while there are custom roms for a lot of other android devices?
I give up, please contribute something useful to this topic or stop posting offtopic.
@waz000000,
don't want to participate in this then don't. There is no reason to put down others work though just because you think it is pointless.
Grand Idea
Personally I think this is a grand idea. At first when I saw the SDE I thought that was its whole purpose and that archos would start us off with a basic android version. But when it was released and it came with a barely working linux distro, it turned me off to installing SDE until something better can happen. I wouldn't mind seeing a micro version of ubuntu running on this, but the main problem is going to be the ram. If we are having issues with the ram on android what makes you think we will have better luck on a OS that wasn't intended to run on the archos. But hey more power to you. But on the other hand if we can build our own android firmwares, then we won't be dependent on Archos to decide whether or not to update to the next firmware. And saying Archos is working on it is like saying well the end of the world is coming. When IDK, but its coming!
Seriously. The delayed the launch by 2 months and then didn't deliver on their promise of launching with 2.2. They did come through, but with the crappiest 2.2 firmware I have ever used. Constant crashing, no wifi N, 200 mhz decrease in speed, and only a promise to fix it... eventually.
So the the OP. Go for it. I will help with what I can, but I haven't build a firmware yet except for the easy cook it yourself ones.
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They did come through, but with the crappiest 2.2 firmware I have ever used. Constant crashing, no wifi N, 200 mhz decrease in speed, and only a promise to fix it... eventually.
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new firmware came out today! works great on my A101, no crashes or freezes so far: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875393
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So the the OP. Go for it. I will help with what I can, but I haven't build a firmware yet except for the easy cook it yourself ones.
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Me neither but I'm willing to do if nobody else does, simply because of my DVB-T project in the other thread
€dit I'll give cyanogenmod a try
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was agreeing with you until this post.
the point is that Archos have up until now done a bit of a shoddy job of their Android builds. We all want the archos tablet running smoothly and as best we can and also would like to have 2.3+ on our devices which is probably unlikely by any official means.
and saying archos are "currently working on it" is a little silly given what forum you are on! (whats the point in people making custom roms for HTC devices... HTC are working on it anyway?!)
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ok fair enough so what would you rather?
a cynogen mod with archos firmware or linux distro (Whatever) and cynogenmod?
im not saying dont work on a custom rom, im saying work on a "proper" custom rom and use the dual boot option for something other than android.
1st step develop root
2nd step develop custom rom
3rd step install another distro
What im trying to say is, develop a "proper" custom rom and leave the dual boot option for something mind blowing!
as to blazingwolf im not trying to put anyone's work down (apart from the fact there isn't any yet this is pure concept)
I could very easily help you develop a working second rom for this but all im saying is wait a little while and see what happens I cant hint anymore than that!!!!!!!!
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I could very easily help you develop a working second rom for this but all im saying is wait a little while and see what happens I cant hint anymore than that!!!!!!!!
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who does what and when it gets released?
in the mean time have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610303
i know its different hardware but use a cynogen beta like the I9000 as a base, and work from there, even try the original firmware and look to cook that one.
you will be surprised how almost stock the archos one is
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Personally I think this is a grand idea. At first when I saw the SDE I thought that was its whole purpose and that archos would start us off with a basic android version. But when it was released and it came with a barely working linux distro, it turned me off to installing SDE until something better can happen. I wouldn't mind seeing a micro version of ubuntu running on this, but the main problem is going to be the ram. If we are having issues with the ram on android what makes you think we will have better luck on a OS that wasn't intended to run on the archos. But hey more power to you. But on the other hand if we can build our own android firmwares, then we won't be dependent on Archos to decide whether or not to update to the next firmware. And saying Archos is working on it is like saying well the end of the world is coming. When IDK, but its coming!
Seriously. The delayed the launch by 2 months and then didn't deliver on their promise of launching with 2.2. They did come through, but with the crappiest 2.2 firmware I have ever used. Constant crashing, no wifi N, 200 mhz decrease in speed, and only a promise to fix it... eventually.
So the the OP. Go for it. I will help with what I can, but I haven't build a firmware yet except for the easy cook it yourself ones.
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the purpose of SDE is to give users a way to dual boot and be able to load "another" operating system. The Angstrom image we provide is just a demo and nothing else. You are free to put anything else, like Android 4.0, Meego, Maemo or whatever else you want...
Don't have much development skills, starting to teach myself from scratch.
I want to port Ubuntu to the gtablet and I was just wondering if anyone thinks it is possible.
Since android is based on linux kernel i dont think it would be too hard.
Just wondering what your thoughts were on this.
Thanks for you time.
Search the forum... there is a BT5 build and an Ubuntu build in progress. I suggest starting there to see what they have accomplished.
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FYI:
Both the Backtrack 5 and Ubuntu builds are .img files mounted as loopback devices. They are run "on top of" the android OS. You then use VNC veiwer to access them. These are both good steps, but aren't exactly running directly from boot up as a primary OS.
Before I get flamed, I'm not knocking either build, just pointing out that they are not replacements for the android OS just yet.
Crow, anyone?
Looks like I stand corrected....
This thread has the details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075054
This is just a general question. I dont have the know how or skill to create a port like this. Maybe DZK could use his CM10 A3 base and move from there otherwise just build from scratch. It would be nice to see Ubuntu on our device.
Slowbalt
It depends on the structure of the files, Ubuntu moblie itself isnt running on a Jb base. The ubuntu moblie OS isnt a ROM Its an entire system its self. If someone along the line were to create some CM10 ROM that look and or acts like Ubuntu mobile then someone could port it over. But that is about all we could see on that.
P.S. it is very likely that someone will create a Ubuntu ROM on top of CM10
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It depends on the structure of the files, Ubuntu moblie itself isnt running on a Jb base. The ubuntu moblie OS isnt a ROM Its an entire system its self. If someone along the line were to create some CM10 ROM that look and or acts like Ubuntu mobile then someone could port it over. But that is about all we could see on that.
P.S. it is very likely that someone will create a Ubuntu ROM on top of CM10
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not exactly the code with in ubuntu touch is a lot like cm10.1. in fact it is the same just modified some with the ubuntu ui skined over it. it also uses a chroot process like you would if you felt like running full ubuntu virtually on the phone. making it slow and ineffecient. it can be done if someone is determined enough but i really see no point it doesnt support over 95% of apps and it does not support 3g data. it most likely will not be any reason to port it to the dx2/mx2 because by the time ubuntu touch be comes stable enough to use as a daily driver most developers will have stopped working on these devices and most people whod use it will have upgraded to a new phone.
Its extraordinarily hard since we have a locked boot loader and cannot flash a new kernel. SO it would have to run on top of GB 2.3.4 and have a monster set of patches just to get partial function. Not worth the effort for this phone.
For the Droid X2, it's probably unlikely you will ever see Ubuntu OS on your device. Like what was said above, the bootloader is locked so you can't simply install it like you would for phones that it is intended for (unlocked phones). Ubuntu OS is also not something just running on top of android. The only android stuff that is used is android kernel and services. They do this so they can support a variety of android phones and allow Ubuntu to run natively on a phone made for Android. But Ubuntu OS is its own OS and not a skin on top of android. But the biggest thing right now is that the version they released is not a full OS. Its a developer tool so developers can have something to test their apps and develop for. You dont want this on your device right now unless you plan on doing some development for Ubuntu. The OS is not functional as a daily driver as it is right now.
Yeah. I saw the xda developers YouTube. I was wrong. I didn't really expect the code to be like that.
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Ubuntu for the PC and Windows can be installed on almost any PC provided it has the compatible hardware. Is it possible to create a Ubuntu touch ROM that can be installed on any phone with the right hardware? I always wondered why this hasn't been attempted or done.
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Ubuntu for the PC and Windows can be installed on almost any PC provided it has the compatible hardware. Is it possible to create a Ubuntu touch ROM that can be installed on any phone with the right hardware? I always wondered why this hasn't been attempted or done.
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Ubuntu Touch is precisely that. A single unified image that with a couple of prerequisites relative to 'YOUR' device. Its not possible to just create a single flashable .zip of Ubuntu because of all the Android libs being used, it needs CM10 as a base but each device has different base code.
I thought Ubuntu touch was it's own operating system, I didn't know it relied on android for it to run a on mobile device that isn't specifically made for it.
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I thought Ubuntu touch was it's own operating system, I didn't know it relied on android for it to run a on mobile device that isn't specifically made for it.
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Ubuntu Touch is a new operating system. But in the current state it uses Android libs to make porting easier. An Ubuntu Touch device won't use those libs.
It will be like this once manufacturers start building ubuntu "certified" or "compatible" devices, but regarding the devices in the market right now it's technically not possible
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Is it yet stable
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Hello XDA Forum!
I'm a new member in the forum, recently iv'e discovered the inner geek in me and decided to explore the world of roms. (yes im a newbie lol)
I hope to contribute to the forum as much as i can.
Anyway, Here's the story:
I have a Motorola Atrix 4g of course and i'm using epinter's excellent cm 10.1 rom
The only problem i have is that my favorite game Leauge of Shadows isn't working. I had the game working on epinter's cm 10 rom based JB 4.1.2 with 2.6 kernel and the game works on other JB roms with 2.6 kernel. So i believe the problem is with the kernel. With the current kernel i have ( 3.1.10) the game start but crashes alot and touchscreen doesn't work.
So my question is, is there anyway to run this game? can i run a specific app in a 2.6 kernel will my device has 3.1.10?
I've tried to install diffrent kernel but failed to install for some reason.
Any help will be much appriciated!!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Short answer: Not yet.
Long answer: As you should know, anything with the 3.1 kernel is considered an (not so) early stage alpha. It isn't meant to be used as a daily driver, only as testing and development. Right now, the focus of the development is set into modem drops and audio issues, once all basic things are working, then they can focus on other things, like the issue you have.
Also, kernel is the main piece of software any device (computer, smartphone, etc) uses. on windows xp, the kernel is ntkernel.exe, on linux and android is vmlinuz.
So far the only solution is to install a rom that doesn't use the 3.1 kernel, such as cm10 (not 10.1), cm7 or early iterations of atrics
Thanks!
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Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Short answer: Not yet.
Long answer: As you should know, anything with the 3.1 kernel is considered an (not so) early stage alpha. It isn't meant to be used as a daily driver, only as testing and development. Right now, the focus of the development is set into modem drops and audio issues, once all basic things are working, then they can focus on other things, like the issue you have.
Also, kernel is the main piece of software any device (computer, smartphone, etc) uses. on windows xp, the kernel is ntkernel.exe, on linux and android is vmlinuz.
So far the only solution is to install a rom that doesn't use the 3.1 kernel, such as cm10 (not 10.1), cm7 or early iterations of atrics
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Thanks for the answer!