Surprised myself and after two weeks of ownership I am still on the I717 Note's stock ROM. This was after constantly ROM flashing on my prior Android Samsung Infuse and iPhone4 & 3G (Jailbreak of course).
Stock battery life is decent and launchers like GO, ADW, etc. give plenty of ability to change icons, UI behavior, etc.
So far I haven't found any annoying problems that would require me to fix via rooting.
I HAD to root my prior Samsung Infuse because it had software bugs that required root to fix BUT I am real PROUD of my Note's ability to run strong and solid as a stock ROM. I haven't been forced to reboot yet in 2 weeks of ownership! Yeha!
For myself the KEY is to make myself to NOT TO LOOK AT Applications:Running Services...it makes me sick to see all those unnecessary apps loaded up.
I simply wanted to see how the Note behaved out-of-the box...and so far real impressed.
Will I ever ROOT - Probably, just to get rid of bloatware AND I will need to tether occasionally once I start traveling again.
Will I ever replace the ROM? Not sure, depends on features but definitely not interested in ROMs that just change icons, startup screens and colors.
anyway, this is just post to say how satisfied, thus far, with the Note's performance...as is.
Anything I'm missing that needs root to fix?
andrawer said:
Surprised myself and after two weeks of ownership I am still on the I717 Note's stock ROM. This was after constantly ROM flashing on my prior Android Samsung Infuse and iPhone4 & 3G (Jailbreak of course).
Stock battery life is decent and launchers like GO, ADW, etc. give plenty of ability to change icons, UI behavior, etc.
So far I haven't found any annoying problems that would require me to fix via rooting.
I HAD to root my prior Samsung Infuse because it had software bugs that required root to fix BUT I am real PROUD of my Note's ability to run strong and solid as a stock ROM. I haven't been forced to reboot yet in 2 weeks of ownership! Yeha!
For myself the KEY is to make myself to NOT TO LOOK AT Applications:Running Services...it makes me sick to see all those unnecessary apps loaded up.
I simply wanted to see how the Note behaved out-of-the box...and so far real impressed.
Will I ever ROOT - Probably, just to get rid of bloatware AND I will need to tether occasionally once I start traveling again.
Will I ever replace the ROM? Not sure, depends on features but definitely not interested in ROMs that just change icons, startup screens and colors.
anyway, this is just post to say how satisfied, thus far, with the Note's performance...as is.
Anything I'm missing that needs root to fix?
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You can stop those with Autostarts (free in the market), and requires root. It prevents them from opening at all. If you end up checking it out, use the "after startup" disable option.
- Root required apps (there a lot of really good ones - this alone would be enough for me to root).
If you're not interested in theming, or a lot of modifications, then stock is cool. Features, changes, and modifications from custom roms can be patched to stock roms; the only advantage of using custom ones is that they're baked in for you.
I am sticking on stock rom for now, just going to root so I can restore a lot of my old apps, nothing more.
I've already flashed Da_G's root/over clock kernel, which got rid of the lag I was seeing. As soon as cwm comes out of beta I'm going to check out saurom. The Note's out of the box experience is one of the best I've seen, but there is just too much improvement to be had to stay stock, IMHO.
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I've already flashed Da_G's root/over clock kernel, which got rid of the lag I was seeing. As soon as cwm comes out of beta I'm going to check out saurom. The Note's out of the box experience is one of the best I've seen, but there is just too much improvement to be had to stay stock, IMHO.
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CMW b3 seems to be flawless so far!
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I think it is a good idea to stay all stock until ics update comes out and we apply it. (I expect them to want us to be all stock when applying the ics update that is why)
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I think it is a good idea to stay all stock until ics update comes out and we apply it. (I expect them to want us to be all stock when applying the ics update that is why)
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Fair enough but there will be several ICS Roms months before official AT&T. (I am typing from my ICS Captivate right now for example). Plus you can always flash back to stock.
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I was stock from best buy to my house and that's it and I can't wait till I can get a sub 100mb ROM onto here. The bloat is sickening and even after removing down to mid 100 it's still not performing to it's non touchwiz potential.
Just to throw in my two-cents, I am fairly impressed as well with the Touchwiz 4.0 interface. Coming from an Atrix (blur) and Inspire (sense), touchwiz is a big step up imo. It feels like gingerbread done right to me. Although it isn't without a few issues, like the slight but noticable lag (to be fair all stock roms seem to stutter a bit occasionally), the no wallpaper scrolling and no landscape mode for the touchwiz launcher.
I think it will be interesting to see what devs or even Samsung/AT&T come up with to merge Touchwiz and ICS. It's gonna be a good year in the ROM community on this phone I can feel it.
Both my notes are on stock. I have no need for a rom.
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Both my notes are on stock. I have no need for a rom.
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Yeah but... stock IS a ROM, too.
I think it is a great thing that this phone is so good that we can use it stock. Haven't got mine yet but I only plan to Root it and use stock for a few weeks, at least.
So far yes
Right now there really aren't that many roms for the galaxy note lte so I'm going to wait until ICS comes out play with that for a while then I'll be flashing away!
I think people obsess over nothing rather than actually use their devices. That said, I'm not bothering to flash anyone's cooked ROM until there's an ICS update from Samsung.
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I think people obsess over nothing rather than actually use their devices. That said, I'm not bothering to flash anyone's cooked ROM until there's an ICS update from Samsung.
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^That, less the o/c kernel. The performance boost isn't exacted necessary, but you WILL notice it.
I was going to try and stick with the stock ROM as long as possible. However, my addiction got the best of me, and im now laying in bed at the end of my first full day with my Note, and I'm running TPC2 with Da_G's OC kernel. Go figure. Haha.
Not that I was having troubles with the stock ROM, as it was actually really smooth and lag free for the most part. On the other hand, now my Note is an absolute beast. The Note is definitely the first Android I've been happy with out of the box, but I would still rather be running a custom ROM, if not just so I can tell people it's running custom software when I show them my phone.
Samsung really hit it out of the park with this phone. I will never look at a smaller phone the same way again. Forever ruined! And I find the SPen to be really comfy for just navigating my phone and precision of selection. Swyping is fun with it.
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I think it's not necessary for me to do anything yet. But don't get me wrong, I will root the phone eventually. I have a real problem with ATT telling me that I "have" to suffer software I don't want on MY phone. That in its self encourages me to root. But, I am waiting to see if ICS is really going to be available soon.
I wonder though if Rooting would affect the upgrade process--perhaps someone could answer this for me. If not, I would be tempted to root my Note after the thirty days (window of time for return) is up.
I flashed roms daily on my Inspire, but I am stock now and planning on staying that way forever or at least until If leaks. the only thing I've done is root to disable ads and remove bloatware.
I'm still stock. I've rooted and jailbrake-ed other phones. I really like this one the way it is. The bloatware etc don't bother me much. I may root after ICS. For now, my Note rocks pretty hard just the way it is.
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But, I am waiting to see if ICS is really going to be available soon.
I wonder though if Rooting would effect the upgrade process--perhaps someone could answer this for me. If not, I would be tempted to root my Note after the thirty days is up.
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Are you asking if root will affect upgrading to ICS? The answer to that is no. If you flash a custom ROM then that answer is yes. You would need to go back to stock ROM for the ICS update from ATT. However, there will be ICS ROMs here well before ATT releases it.
What's the 30 days thing? Not getting that part. What happens in 30 days? Maybe you mean the window to return your Note. I agree you might want to wait for that to expire before root. But you can also un-root if you want.
I'm on stock rom and don't plan to root anytime soon for both of my devices the note and gnex!
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Well my work just got a bunch of iPhones and the CEO got one of the. He had the Samsung before so I got it as an upgrade over my crackberry.
Now I really want to install a custom rom/kernel on the phone but I am hesitating because its really not my phone and my work owns it.
What do you guys think should I stick with stock or should I root the phone and install a rom?
Stock. There's nothing like explaining to the boss how you f'd up company equipment.
I dont know if one should/should not install custom roms on a work phone, as I don't have one. But I can tell you that if you do decide to root and install one of the custom roms, it's not that hard to unroot and go back to stock later on when you need to return the phone. There are several threads here that will guide you through the process too.
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Stock. There's nothing like explaining to the boss how you f'd up company equipment.
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I guess your right I just hate being stuck on 2.1 when I know I can have a nice Froyo install. It's just so hard not to do because I have done it with all my other devices.
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I guess your right I just hate being stuck on 2.1 when I know I can have a nice Froyo install. It's just so hard not to do because I have done it with all my other devices.
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I hear you...but who's to say he won't ask for it out the blue someday?
Idk, at this point, the fascinate is practically impossible to brick. You also say you have experience rooting and customizing other phones, correct? I say go for it. The only reason I could see not to is due to security issues. Work passwords and etc.. I really don't know too much about all of that tho.
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I have a rooted android work phone. All you have to do is read what ppl are saying about the roms and FOLLOW DIRECTIONS and youll be fine.
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Well my work just got a bunch of iPhones and the CEO got one of the. He had the Samsung before so I got it as an upgrade over my crackberry.
Now I really want to install a custom rom/kernel on the phone but I am hesitating because its really not my phone and my work owns it.
What do you guys think should I stick with stock or should I root the phone and install a rom?
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I seriously discourage doing anything to it. It's not yours for one, and (no disrespect to the devs ofcourse, their work is amazing) there really isnt anything spectacular for this phone at the moment due to samsung's failure to provide any source code. To be more specific... our kernels suck.
And oh yea this shouldve been in the Q&A section so be ready for ashasaur to move this thread. (hes really good at doing that )
Depends on your comfort level, and of course, your corporate policies.
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I would say root your phone at the most. It's fairly easy to recover from just rooting, but flashing roms/kernels/modems is much more risky. At least with rooting, you could fairly easily freeze the bloat with TiBu and have a more functional phone. Thawing everything and un-rooting would have you a stock phone back fairly quickly, and you could also still receive OTA updates as well.
I say go for it if anything goes wrong all you have to do is odin back to stock it removes everything its as simple as plugging the phone in load the stock file and click start I've done this countless times
We pick our work cell phones specifically because of the potential customization we can do. I hate being stuck with some company's version of what they think will be useful to me in my job. I can Odin this phone back to stock/factory defaults in less than 5 minutes if need be, so customizing this phone and expanding its abilities, and recovering from those customizations quickly, were what attracted me to it.
Android is Android, whether it's Samsung's stock version or one of the dev's version of it. Your phone is still going to perform the same tasks you need it to for your job. As long as you are both competent with the technologies involved and confident in your ability to restore to stock, I don't see why you should hesitate from exploring the options that are out there, especially when Froyo source drops and we see an explosion of dev-created customizations/enhancements.
Really? If your asking for advice on whether to mess with a business owned phone, it makes me wonder are you the ceo's mail clerk?
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Personally for a work phone, I'd update it for better usage in my work.
Increasing battery life usage duration.
Less irritating buggy glitches.
Removing the idiotic TW/BING/VZW craps. (too many add-on hacks from google default causing reliability and dependability problems)
Adding Backup and Restore nandroid for possible failures and migrations.
I suggest DJ05 + SuperClean + Blaze v2.3.1R2.
Would you still choose this phone? What would you be missing out on? Do you trust Samsung to give you ICS soon? What things do you not like about the stock ROM? Ect, ect. I want to hear your thoughts.
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Would you still choose this phone? What would you be missing out on? Do you trust Samsung to give you ICS soon? What things do you not like about the stock ROM? Ect, ect. I want to hear your thoughts.
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1.) I would still choose this phone(its a beast, even stock)
2.)You'd be missing out on a lot.....better battery life, themes, custom kernels, smoother/better performance of the OS/UI, improved functionality(apps that require root, i.e TiBu, BLN, SetCpu, etc)
3.) The better question is, Do you Trust ATT to give us ICS soon? Honestly, NO, which is more of an incentive to root(where you can get ICS before ATT gets off their lazy ass)
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Would you still choose this phone? What would you be missing out on? Do you trust Samsung to give you ICS soon? What things do you not like about the stock ROM? Ect, ect. I want to hear your thoughts.
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To be frank, I'm not sure I'd stick with this phone if I wasn't rooted. At the time I bought it, I planned to root this thing and put something faster on, but as of now, I'd get a GNex or even an iPhone -- something that works super fast without needing mods.
With that said, I'm happy I have this phone and even stock it's perfectly fine. In my opinion, for a stock experience you COULD do better than Android, with WP7 for instance.
im an hardcore rom flasher, tweaker, modder, etc. i have had probably dozens of androids and have rooted and flashed them all...... cept this one.
Honestly i dont need a custom rom on this one, i just have it rooted. all im waiting for is a stable ICS build and im good. Its just that damn good even at stock. which honestly i never thought id say that about any android. so yea... if rooting isnt ur thing SGS2 is also your best choice
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S2 is a very good phone, but if I had to stay stock, it'd be a tough choice between this one and an iPhone 4S. iPhone is more polished out of the box, and I must admit, I prefer iPhone's retina display over the one on S2, the pixel density just makes it a more appealing screen. On S2, I couldn't get good battery life on stock without rooting, that's main problem with it.
I'm relatively new to Android myself, after having owned a first generation iPhone and several BB Bolds, it's Android's sheer range of choices in ROMs, mods and other flexibilities that put S2 over the others. I upgraded to S2 with the intention to root and flash custom ROMs but the whole process has been made very easy thanks to a lot of friendly people on this and other Android forums.
Overall though, I'd be more conflicted about choosing S2 over others if it weren't for the awesome customization.
I've done the iPhone thing. I jailbroke my iPhone to try some customization, but when I got a warranty replacement I stayed stock for 6 months until I got a Captivate. Similar thing happened with my captivate, I was on stock for a while after replacement.
If I had to get a replacent on my Galaxy S II, I'm sure I would stay on stock for a while. This phone is exactly what I wanted. On stock I was unable to open enough apps to get this phone to feel performance loss. I want to run ICS on this phone, but other than that the only reason I don't run stock is themes. I could easily use this phone just rooted.
My wife has an iPhone 4, and while the screen is nice in that its crisp, its tiny. I would worry about the glass, and breaking it. When ever I have to do something on her phone its laggy and sluggish compared to mine. Even after a reboot, the task manager is somehow filled automatically with all the crap that was running before. I have to sit there and close all the apps before I see acceptable performance from her phone. Steve Jobs was the one to say if you have a task manager you failed. Well the iPhone has one, and proved Steve right (but without the task manager the iPhone would be epic fail instead of just fail). I never feel the need to open or use the application manager on my phone.
The ONLY phone I would use other than this one is the Galaxy Nexus. But, until ATT has a subsidized version, that isn't a temptation I have to worry about.
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The ONLY phone I would use other than this one is the Galaxy Nexus. But, until ATT has a subsidized version, that isn't a temptation I have to worry about.
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The Note tempts me - but it will also not be available subsidized. (Unless you count the ****rocket-like Crapdragon abomination AT&T is rumored to be getting.)
Plus the GS2 is more than good enough to last me until next January which is my next upgrade eligibility. The GS2 is the first unsubsidized upgrade I've done since the Treo 650. The Infuse frustrated me THAT much...
I would still get the SGS2 just for the SoC.
So my mom got a 3VO recently, and I threw CM7 on there for her.
However, it's too buggy, and having never really messed with any other stable roms, I come to you XDA.
Only requirements are
Stable
Good battery life.
Works with Sprint TV
Has a customizable notification drawer.
Works with ADW
Shouldn't be too hard right?
Thanks!
P.S. I also have a 3VO if that matters
P.P.S. Mods feel free to move if this is in the wrong section.
Try chogardjr3d.
I'd go with cleanrom
Something stock feeling would be best I believe till she gets use to it and/or bored of it.
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I don't think your mom would get "bored" with a ROM. That's a sentiment expressed by flash junkies like us...
She seems like a cool mom though if she likes flashing (had to go there)
I like the Infected Eternity ROM but I'm probably going to go back to Viper ROM when they finish their super secret project. Those are the only two I would recommend for your mom. Don't put her on any AOSP ROM until 4G Wimax is working. Unless she is ok with slow(er) speeds.
MOM ROM?
MOMROM?
MOMrom?
I offer no suggestions. Scratch that, Ill also vote for Clean. I dont use it personally but it would be good for a MOM ROM.
Why not just leave it stock?(rhetorical)
Clean ROM
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Miui ex: my mom uses!
Miui is the rom I'd suggest sure she will loose her 4G,3D but she will gain an easy to use phone and lots of hidden goods in it too don't be afraid to give her a good old 5 minute lesson one she picks up Miui she will thank you trust me!
my "MOM" has sense on her 3VO when she first got it after a week she kind of got lost in it I said why don't you use what I use? she said its probably way to complicated lol then I told her ok go to your Wifi settings, she paused for 15 secs trying to remember how to do that she did turn it off after 1 minute of searching of course I didn't help her lol I was just trying to prove a simple point...
Yes I am aware certain SENSE/AOSP roms have the same features!
I could sell anyone my phone with MIUI on it give me 15 minutes of there time and they will instantly want there phone like it.
put MIUI on your mom's phone and set swype as default yes you will have to download the beta install it and then make sure you go to swype settings and adjust for accuracy and not speed our phones so damn fast anyways it will only make it more accurate and I promise you between the messaging app that's in MIUI and the general layout of the phone she will love you for it!
in short my mother uses MIUI and she wasn't confortable with her phone for a week on sense after 1 day of her bickering on MIUI she was already thanking me on how much she loves her phone now....
both synergy and viper are pretty good
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Miui is the rom I'd suggest sure she will loose her 4G,3D but she will gain an easy to use phone and lots of hidden goods in it too don't be afraid to give her a good old 5 minute lesson one she picks up Miui she will thank you trust me!
my "MOM" has sense on her 3VO when she first got it after a week she kind of got lost in it I said why don't you use what I use? she said its probably way to complicated lol then I told her ok go to your Wifi settings, she paused for 15 secs trying to remember how to do that she did turn it off after 1 minute of searching of course I didn't help her lol I was just trying to prove a simple point...
Yes I am aware certain SENSE/AOSP roms have the same features!
I could sell anyone my phone with MIUI on it give me 15 minutes of there time and they will instantly want there phone like it.
put MIUI on your mom's phone and set swype as default yes you will have to download the beta install it and then make sure you go to swype settings and adjust for accuracy and not speed our phones so damn fast anyways it will only make it more accurate and I promise you between the messaging app that's in MIUI and the general layout of the phone she will love you for it!
in short my mother uses MIUI and she wasn't confortable with her phone for a week on sense after 1 day of her bickering on MIUI she was already thanking me on how much she loves her phone now....
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Your keyboard missing the 'period' or 'comma' keys?
Sheesh.
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How about stay on topic and perhaps "SPAM" post that actually aid the OP.
IDK/C if you was talking about me or not but why not contribute, who gives a crap if punctuality isn't correct or spelling this isn't school or english class.
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That's too bad.
IMHO, I'd keep her at stock unrooted.
It may become tedious for her to manually update when OTA's are released.
Easier for you to support to.
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I like the Infected Eternity ROM but I'm probably going to go back to Viper ROM when they finish their super secret project.
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What's this secret project you speak of?
milfROM 4.0.3 imho.
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Cleanrom or Meanrom are the best.
Lol Go FRESH ROM stockish clean good battery life
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IMHO, I'd keep her at stock unrooted.
It may become tedious for her to manually update when OTA's are released.
Easier for you to support to.
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Great answer! My wife and 2 of my kids are rooted with custom roms (wish I'd never done it) and every time there's an update or issue I have to fix it. Keep her stock
Btw. Thanks to the ****ing mod that won't let me comment in my favorite thread. Good looking out!
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Personally I would leave her phone on stock or use a ROM that won't change much outside of improving performance. ViperRom is pretty good, doesn't remove 3D functionality.
As you can see there are lots of differing opinions, which is why we have so many ROMs here in the first place. I will however do you a favor and list your 3 best options and reasons why, in no particular order. Take whichever option sounds like it will work best for your mom:
MIUI
This one is probably your best bet if you dont care about losing your 4G and 3D. It gives the best battery life and smoothness of any ROM and is a great match for ADW, Launcher Pro, or Go Launcher EX. It is easy to use, has little to no bugs, and you wont have to worry about OTA updates because it will already be perfect and you wont see OTA notifications anyway so it wont bug your mom that there may or may not be an update. Pair this rom with AnthraX A06 kernel for best results
Stock rooted odex w/ latest update OTA
This is because it will have everything in it that the phone is supposed to have. It will be the simplest for her to deal with issues if she has to take it in to a Sprint store or call customer service or whatever. OTAs shouldnt be an issue but if you accept an OTA you will probably lose root, but that wont matter much anyway since you are trying to keep it stock. Can use ADW if you want or keep it regular Sense since thats what this phone is designed to have. This will not allow you to change notification bar things.
Eternity R81 Sense 3.0
Because it is like stock, but a few useless things are removed, performance is improved, and more stable. R81 has been reported to be nearly flawless with the exception of some GPS issues for some users only. It uses the latest OTA and stock kernel and works great. Very smooth. This has the ability to change quick-settings, the personalize button, and other notification bar things just like you want.
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As you can see there are lots of differing opinions, which is why we have so many ROMs here in the first place. I will however do you a favor and list your 3 best options and reasons why, in no particular order. Take whichever option sounds like it will work best for your mom:
MIUI
This one is probably your best bet if you dont care about losing your 4G and 3D. It gives the best battery life and smoothness of any ROM and is a great match for ADW, Launcher Pro, or Go Launcher EX. It is easy to use, has little to no bugs, and you wont have to worry about OTA updates because it will already be perfect and you wont see OTA notifications anyway so it wont bug your mom that there may or may not be an update. Pair this rom with AnthraX A06 kernel for best results
Stock rooted odex w/ latest update OTA
This is because it will have everything in it that the phone is supposed to have. It will be the simplest for her to deal with issues if she has to take it in to a Sprint store or call customer service or whatever. OTAs shouldnt be an issue but if you accept an OTA you will probably lose root, but that wont matter much anyway since you are trying to keep it stock. Can use ADW if you want or keep it regular Sense since thats what this phone is designed to have. This will not allow you to change notification bar things.
Eternity R81 Sense 3.0
Because it is like stock, but a few useless things are removed, performance is improved, and more stable. R81 has been reported to be nearly flawless with the exception of some GPS issues for some users only. It uses the latest OTA and stock kernel and works great. Very smooth. This has the ability to change quick-settings, the personalize button, and other notification bar things just like you want.
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Great breakdown. I've been debating which ROM to flash and this is very helpful.
Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
just gotta wait for a leak from someone important....hopefully it doesn't take as long as it did for the s3!
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
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You could do something that looks like AOSP, but no, I don't think you could get true AOSP until we get custom kernels.
I've been in Android for a few years now, and I've always defaulted towards AOSP since I hate the heavy overlays that these OEM's place on our devices, but this is the FIRST time in a long time that I will be saying this: why would you even want custom ROM's for this device?
I mean that, honestly. It's perfect. Sure it's nice to get root and modify certain things, but for the most part I don't see any 3rd party ROM trumping stock for this phone. Just the S Pen alone is reason enough to never want to leave stock.
I wasn't really lurking the Note 1 ROM scenes so I don't know how well developers were able to port S Pen functionality over to ROM's like CM10 etc, but I don't imagine they'd ever be able to fully integrate it to the level it is on stock.
And given the immense battery life, top notch performance on stock, I don't see a need to "trim the proverbial fat" of the actual firmware anyway. It's just, perfect.
You can have custom ROMs without getting rid of spen features. I agree with you that I wouldn't want an AOSP ROM but shaving a little weight off this thing wouldn't hurt
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Honestly, I'm just waiting for a rom that's debloated, deodexed, has unlimited multiview, wifi toggle, adjustable homescreen, etc. etc. Nothing major, unless some one comes up with some neat ideas on how to integrate the S Pen into the ROM for a better user experience. We've got a good dev community, so I remain optimistic that something cool will come our way.
i agree...i see no need for aosp on this device at this time. just need root and hopefully cwm recovery. samsung has touchwiz dialed in pretty well. however aosp will have its place when this device quits getting updates.
I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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But I will admit that I am PLEASANTLY suprised at how nice TW is. With an AOSP JellyBean launcher and lock screen I am really enjoying this thing. I am not sure what could really improve this bad boy other than some cleaned up stock ROM and OC kernel.
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I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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What I'd a custom kernel going to give you over stock performance? A few added features maybe, but it didn't seem like this phone needs undervolting or overclocking.
bose301s said:
Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Aosp roms are the hardest to get on cdma devices, plus isn't this chip a new one as well? Many hurdles to jump over before that happens.
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If we could have per app DPI on TW, that would be really cool. I'm confident we'll get this thing unlocked soon enough tho.
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im with the others...im very impressed at this UI of this phone. i would like a recovery and perhaps and overclock but the overclock isnt even needed IMO. other than that (thought id never say this) the stock rom nailed it. its apparent the people at samsung not only know what they are doing but listen to the consumer. i dont know how many of you are boaters but phones are like boats. you will never find the perfect one. however judging from the reviews so far this is about as close as it comes...from my point of view anyway..
and to think i was hesitant about getting it. i stood in the store for 30 minutes contemplating it. the rep was about to give up when i said "okay im pulling the trigger". first time i have ever bought a phone and not been 100% sure when i walked through the door.
I guess I have also been spoiled by the phones I have had, the OG Droid and the Galaxy Nexus, honestly I don't think any one phone has had a bigger and more vibrant community than the OG Droid, not even the Galaxy Nexus. I would like to be able to stay on the cutting edge of Android though, knowing that if a new version is released I should have it within 24-48 hours if not less. I am using 4.2.1 on my Nexus and quite like it, seems even smoother than 4.1.2 and also like the few new features, mainly the quick settings panel and PhotoSphere. I know the Galaxy series was one of the originators of the quick setting panel but I like Google's implementation quite a bit. Would just be weird to give up using CM after doing so for almost 3 years now. All decisions to consider. May pick up the phone at Best Buy and see if I like it an return it if I still prefer the Nexus.
There is a thread about them trying to get CM10 on the Note 2, but the VZW version might be the hardest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2019535
Would it be useful to start a bounty for a bootloader unlock and custom recovery or for CM and AOSP on it? If so I would donate, just wondering what you all think.
I have said in a lot of devices forums in the past that the amount people will be able to do is proportional to the amount of effort and the support the communities give. In this case you guys have already bought adamOutler a phone, and he has torn it down, we have started to analyze the bare bones, and I'm sure hes looking for an unbreakable mod. With this being said lets address a couple of the questions at hand:
First off it does not look like their will be an easy fix to the fact that the bootloader is locked. The way that it looks in the white paper are their are efuses that are used as both a hardware key and possibly a configuration bit. Once this is set it cannot be unset. All hope is not lost though. With adam's UART he has found a couple loading points that might be inject a new bootloader and kernels and such there. However this is a shot in the dark, as it utilizes the fact that there is some security code loopholes in the boot chain to allow for injections.
Secondly there is always the possibility of custom roms. Using subsystems such as 2ndboot and such you can always make it so that you load a new system image onto the existing one, though this means longer boot up times. Also there is another cool thing out there called kexec (this may or may not be enabled in the default kernel). If enabled in the kernel, the kernel can shut down proc1 and then re initiate with a new kernel ontop of it. If properly coded all phones with the root ability have the ability to do this if they can issue a kexec. Kexec has been ported over to many phones, and some of which dont have kexec enabled in the existing kernel. This makes it so EVERY DEVICES THAT HAS ROOT HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE CUSTOM ROMS. However with kexec not being enabled on ever phone, it makes it hard to program ever phone to have the right kernel injection points.
The last thing is that to the best of my knowledge the bootloader code is not public, which makes it very hard to find vulnerabilities, however it does not mean that they never get found. Time. Time is all we ask for, as this is not our only job and it takes alot of hard work from devs free time to work and develop. With all that being said im sure in time someone some where will find a link.
Wondering if there is any way I can help. I am not new to Android, however I have never gone past using already fully known and documented things, standard rooting etc. I am interested in getting to know things better so if I can be of any help let me know.
Man I think this will be the last time I buy a Samsung phone from Verizon. The way they force samsung to lock down the bootloader is crazy.
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I just got back home with my shiny new S4 and I can't wait to get the thing rooted and rom'd. But! Before I take the dive, I'd like to test the waters of this lovely phone's community.
If you have a few minutes to spare:
- What rom/kernel are you using? Why?
- What is one thing that you wish you knew about the S4 before flashing?
Thanks!
- EJ
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I just got back home with my shiny new S4 and I can't wait to get the thing rooted and rom'd. But! Before I take the dive, I'd like to test the waters of this lovely phone's community.
If you have a few minutes to spare:
- What rom/kernel are you using? Why?
- What is one thing that you wish you knew about the S4 before flashing?
Thanks!
- EJ
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Before you get to excited, you might want to check what firmware version you have.
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Before you get to excited, you might want to check what firmware version you have.
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That was painfully vague. Care to elaborate?
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That was painfully vague. Care to elaborate?
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As far as I know (which I'm not 100%sure since I'm on mdk) you cannot flash custom roms yet if on the latest update (mj7 with Android 4.3) If you're lucky enough (unlikely) to get one with me7 firmware, you can flash custom roms with safestrap. This phone is not doing so well in the development area as I expected it would before release. Hopefully someone can figure out a way around the locked down bootloader
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That was painfully vague. Care to elaborate?
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That makes it painfully obvious that you haven't read much around here.
What you first need to know is what firmware version you have. That determines what you can do.
What you asked is equivalent to saying that you have a car then asking what you can do to improve it - no data on what year or model, or what you want to do. Without that info, how can anyone help you? If you can't even be bothered to figure out what build you have to start with, nobody can suggest anything to help you.
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As far as I know (which I'm not 100%sure since I'm on mdk) you cannot flash custom roms yet if on the latest update (mj7 with Android 4.3) If you're lucky enough (unlikely) to get one with me7 firmware, you can flash custom roms with safestrap. This phone is not doing so well in the development area as I expected it would before release. Hopefully someone can figure out a way around the locked down bootloader
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I managed to figure that out a couple minutes ago. I actually got pushed to ME7 while I was rooting my S4 (ironic?) and was able to stop it after that. So, it seems I was one of the lucky(ish) ones. Would've been nice to stay at MDK, but SafeStrap seems to be one hell of a tool.
.Ejekt said:
I just got back home with my shiny new S4 and I can't wait to get the thing rooted and rom'd. But! Before I take the dive, I'd like to test the waters of this lovely phone's community.
If you have a few minutes to spare:
- What rom/kernel are you using? Why?
- What is one thing that you wish you knew about the S4 before flashing?
Thanks!
- EJ
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Hey there... I remember you from the Fascinate forums. I finally ended up getting an S4 about 2 1/2 months ago and for the most part it's a great device, but you can't expect near the same freedom as you had with the Fascinate.
When I got mine I ended up with ME7 so it sounds like you're in the same boat. I have mine rooted, but decided not to use Safestrap because of the limitations it brings (mainly the storage issue). I'm pretty happy with how I have mine set up and it's pretty snappy overall, but I really do wish I had gotten an MDK in order to really flash roms like I used to on my Fascinate.
If you choose to use Safestrap then go nuts and I hope you find some roms you like (Hyperdrive seems to get the most love around here from what I've noticed). I'll just quickly list off the modifications I did to mine that got it to where I like it:
-Froze all bloat with Titanium, including the SDM 1.0 (to prevent unwanted updates)
-Got rid of e911 icon and ongoing WiFi notification
-Installed the International Voice Dialer with call recording
-Installed Volume Boost mod (increased it around 50% over stock)
-Installed Xposed Framework so I could use Greenify features
-Used Greenify to hibernate all misbehaving apps (examples would be Facebook and Google Play Store) (... this increased battery life A LOT)
-Installed AdAway (adblocker)
-Turned all animations down to .5 in developer options and disabled all hovering effects on the lock screen
Doing all that really made this thing a lot better than it was, but I'm still hoping for a true bootloader unlock to start playing with it more. I have found a lot of the Touchwiz features to be quite useful, like the voice control stuff, camera app, etc, so I would probably stick with a modded Touchwiz rom if I had the option. Good luck.
edit: Oh and another thing you might not be aware of - the camera is set to 9.5MP by default in the app, you need to go into settings to use the native 13MP resolution.
One thing to note that no one mentioned (and in case you didn't read elsewhere) is that with SafeStrap you can not use ROMs with custom kernels. So that means no AOSP based ROMs like CM, Carbon, PACman and others since they are all using a custom kernel. At least until they get KEXEC working with SafeStrap (if they get it working). So basically you can only use modded TW roms with a stock kernel.