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Okay, so I just got my replacement vibrant and am about to reflash dragon kernel 3.1 oc version. Will the overclocking shorten cpu life, as I plan to use my phone for 2-3 years? Also, will increasing the voltage to the cpu just hasten the cpu wear?
EDIT: LOL. I spelled impact wrong. Stupid swype dictionary.
yes, overclocking will shorten the lifespan of a cpu without question, but it all depends on the cpu itself. I overclock my AMD chips all the time, but when the Chip will last 10 years, why not overclock since you don't plan on using it for longer than 5-8 years anyway. Now, I'm not sure how hardy these hummingbird chips are, but I do know that the chipset they are based off of were originally developed with capabilities of 2ghz.
This causes 2 issues in a cell phone tho, not enough space for heat dissipation and it eats batteries like my wife eats chocolate cake! So, if you OC plan to see your battery life drop like crazy. 1ghz is pretty powerful, I don't really see a need for more power on your cell phone, but I don't see a reason why you shouldn't either
Not all chips can handle overclocking as well as the next. They are all kinda individualistic. Remember, I'm not saying "yeah dude, OC your phone! it will be so powerful it can do your laundry for you and even get you a beer from the fridge"... nooooo, so if your phone turns into a vibrick don't go...."oh, darksurf said OCing your phone was OK and that my phone wouldn't catch fire".
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just a disclaimer
I think your phone could handle a small OC and still live to be 2 years old just fine. Its up to you to void the warranty...
Has it ever been heard of that someone killed their gs2 from using 1600mhz in daily use?
My gs2 likes to have 1475 as a minimum voltage for 1600.
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Ever rev an engine into the red? Did the engine blow up on the spot? unlikely. However if you constantly KEEP the engine in the red it will eventually break down.
Same thing for OC phones. The processor in the SGS was designed for somewhere around the 1ghz mark. Pushing it 110% likely wont kill it, they build allowances and tolerances into these things to help them last longer. Push that processor to 150% and you are risking serious damage.
Monitor the heat, if you notice its getting HOT then you should really pull the battery and let it sit for a while. Nobody here can say its safe to OC your phone like that, its a calculated risk you obviously didnt spend a lot of thought into.
TLDR: Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Actually its my thought the reason I haven't been using it on 1.6 yet, and why I'm asking. Iv been ocing my pcs since the late 90s
Now the reason I'm asking here is because the cortex a9 was designed for up to 2gHz operation, but this phones design may or may not provide adequate cooling, that's why I'm asking if other people have any negative experiences with this.
Were not actually over reving the chip its more of a environment issue with cooling/ventilation.
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Visentinel said:
Actually its my thought the reason I haven't been using it on 1.6 yet, and why I'm asking. Iv been ocing my pcs since the late 90s
Now the reason I'm asking here is because the cortex a9 was designed for up to 2gHz operation, but this phones design may or may not provide adequate cooling, that's why I'm asking if other people have any negative experiences with this.
Were not actually over reving the chip its more of a environment issue with cooling/ventilation.
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You do have to have in mind that PCs are much safer to OC, so we shouldn't really compare brtween them.
Regarding the Phone OC, I haven't OC'd mine and probably never will because I have all the horsepower I need, but I think the "safest" OC is between 1.3 and 1.4GHz, since that's a range that all CPUs are designed to overtake (max 200MHz range ).
mine's been oc'ed, uv'ed pretty much within the week I bought the phone in june.
I've got it set to clock between 500-1600Mhz on demand and I've not had a problem yet. Mind you, not many tasks you do on the phone will actually require 1600Mhz and my phone's CPU clocks mostly between 500-800Mhz.
Playing some games or doing quick video conversion will push to 1600Mhz but I rarely play games on my phone and video conversion is short process - burst of 90 seconds to 120 seconds at most. So I think you should be alright so long as you don't leave your phone CPU at 1600Mhz at all times.
Like you said, it is the cooling and ventilation system on the phone, which you can't modify.. Unlike PCs, where you can install bigger fans or water cooling systems. So if the phone isn't constantly cooking itself inside, should be alright.
You should already know that OCing anything is dangerous since you overclock PCs,so I'll skip that part.
Well,if it's dangerous for the phone...It depends.Yes,the processor will die sooner.Yes,you risk frying your device.No,you don't have to push it to the limit(don't push it more that 1450μV,that's the general advice for 45nm chips).However,my thoughts are:
-I won't still have the device when it's time for its CPU to get fried,so I don't actually care.
-Something else,probably the Amoled screen,will make the phone useless by breaking sooner than the CPU will.
-This winter here is really cold(for our standards anyway),so heating has been taken care of.During hotter weather,I kept multiple temperature profiles in SetCPU,so that frequencies get lower as temperatures get higher.
In the end,what matters most to me is to have the experience I want.And with OCing my phone I get it.I'm happy with it,that's all I wanted.So,it's personal preference.Some feel they don't need it,others feel they do.Decide for yourself,that's the best advice.
PS:In case you are using Siyah kernel or CF-Root with Tegrak overclock,try lowering your clock by small steps(8Mhz is the smallest step) for a sane voltage,say 1400μV.Sometimes small increments make big differences.
Thanks for the advice guys. Appreciated.
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Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
Buffalee said:
Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
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how can you tell, that its dead because of the use and charging, if you didn't even OC'ed?
Buffalee said:
Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
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I bet you didn't know there are faulty products out there that show their faults during intensive usage,eh?Mine's running at 1.6GHz(give or take a few MHz ) for months.I've played games while charging countless times.And my phone is still here,intact,so that I can write this here.
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Of course my sgs mobo could have been faulty.
When the mobo fried it was hot, i mean hot.
I didn´t look temperatures.
It didn´t wake up even using jig.
I sended it to service.
If they had succesfully woke it up, they wouldn´t fix it on warranty (rooted).
Normally oc would be fine because it´s using powersave and underclock it.
But if you play like 2 hours on 1,6Ghz it can get too hot (over 60c on cpu).
I can´t recommend that kind of temperature.
And nobody here knows what kind of vrm´s phone has.
Also cooling plates are not designed for massive oc/voltage.
Of course temperature depends on voltage more than the clock speeds.
It´s up to user if he want to use it that kind of voltages/speeds.
I would´t use it 1600Mhz/24/7.
Generally i know what i´m talking about (using water on pc...)
Just look for temperatures and don´t give too much voltage (as low as possible).
Of course you don´t know safe voltage limits, but try and look what other have been using.
Don´t oc much if you don´t know what are you doing.
@tolis626 Hi, I have oc'd to 1.4ghz for the last few weeks, and I have under volted it to 12.75mV, the same as you, have you had any problems at that voltage? Also, is your 1200mhz voltage stable as it seems very low, to say that it was, at stock, 13mV. Furthermore, have you ever tried to under volt 1600mhz please?
Buffalee said:
Of course my sgs mobo could have been faulty.
When the mobo fried it was hot, i mean hot.
I didn´t look temperatures.
It didn´t wake up even using jig.
I sended it to service.
If they had succesfully woke it up, they wouldn´t fix it on warranty (rooted).
Normally oc would be fine because it´s using powersave and underclock it.
But if you play like 2 hours on 1,6Ghz it can get too hot (over 60c on cpu).
I can´t recommend that kind of temperature.
And nobody here knows what kind of vrm´s phone has.
Also cooling plates are not designed for massive oc/voltage.
Of course temperature depends on voltage more than the clock speeds.
It´s up to user if he want to use it that kind of voltages/speeds.
I would´t use it 1600Mhz/24/7.
Generally i know what i´m talking about (using water on pc...)
Just look for temperatures and don´t give too much voltage (as low as possible).
Of course you don´t know safe voltage limits, but try and look what other have been using.
Don´t oc much if you don´t know what are you doing.
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I know what I'm doing.I know the risks,that's why I don't encourage anyone to overclock as much as I do.I carefully monitor temperatures and voltages over long time periods.Rest assured,I won't come back here crying.
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@tolis626 Hi, I have oc'd to 1.4ghz for the last few weeks, and I have under volted it to 12.75mV, the same as you, have you had any problems at that voltage? Also, is your 1200mhz voltage stable as it seems very low, to say that it was, at stock, 13mV. Furthermore, have you ever tried to under volt 1600mhz please?
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Well,since 1400MHz and 1600MHz aren't stock clocks,you don't actually undervolt them.You rather choose a voltage for them as there isn't a standard one.
My phone is stable with the voltages in my sig(I've only changed 200Mhz and 500MHz voltages a little but too bored to update my sig ) for months,so yeah,I'd say I don't have any problems.This doesn't mean that no one will.Your phone might need 1325μV or 1225μV for 1400MHz.Every phone's CPU is unique in its own way.
@tolis626 Thanks very much, one more stupid question please, will under volting from stock Samsung voltages, even if it's stable, decrease performance compared to stock voltages on an average exynos processor please, aslo will undervolting from original kernel clock speed increase the processors life span? I have researching this and came up with nothing.
Will it break your phone? Not directly. It will shorten the lifetime.
Besides that the heat can indirectly kill your device.
I'm just curious:
Why overclocking the device? I have mine underclocked to 1 GHz max. It still has enough power to handle everything.
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I have just been messing around. I can get 1.6ghz perfectly stable at 1350mv, I tried 1325mv and it hung up after about 2 min of use. I can also get my 1.4ghz down to 1225mv's and 1.2ghz to 1.200 it is rock stable and I haven't tried lower voltages on 1.4 & 1.2.
I am going to keep [email protected] & 1.4 @ 1250mv & [email protected]
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@tolis626 Thanks very much, one more stupid question please, will under volting from stock Samsung voltages, even if it's stable, decrease performance compared to stock voltages on an average exynos processor please, aslo will undervolting from original kernel clock speed increase the processors life span? I have researching this and came up with nothing.
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No,undervolting will in fact prolong your processor's lifetime,albeit negligibly,because with less voltage less heat is generated.It's plain physics.
Overclocking on the other hand will reduce your CPU's lifetime.The damage(mostly electromigration) is dependent on the CPU and how much you overclock.Quite frankly again,you won't still have the phone when enough damage is done for it to break.If the slightly lower battery life doesn't bother you that much,I say go for it.
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I have just been messing around. I can get 1.6ghz perfectly stable at 1350mv, I tried 1325mv and it hung up after about 2 min of use. I can also get my 1.4ghz down to 1225mv's and 1.2ghz to 1.200 it is rock stable and I haven't tried lower voltages on 1.4 & 1.2.
I am going to keep [email protected] & 1.4 @ 1250mv & [email protected]
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Dude,that's some nice UV!Mine instantly crashes when I set it to 1375μV at 1600MHz.You're lucky.
Oh and,most probably your phone can handle 1200MHz at 1150μV.
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tolis626 said:
No,undervolting will in fact prolong your processor's lifetime,albeit negligibly,because with less voltage less heat is generated.It's plain physics.
Overclocking on the other hand will reduce your CPU's lifetime.The damage(mostly electromigration) is dependent on the CPU and how much you overclock.Quite frankly again,you won't still have the phone when enough damage is done for it to break.If the slightly lower battery life doesn't bother you that much,I say go for it.
Dude,that's some nice UV!Mine instantly crashes when I set it to 1375μV at 1600MHz.You're lucky.
Oh and,most probably your phone can handle 1200MHz at 1150μV.
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Thank you very much for all your help I tried undervolting 1200mhz more, I got to 1075mv and it was rock stable, I don't think I am going to try anything lower than that. Just for info, I'm on SiyahKernel v2.6.2 Thanks again
CPUs care a lot about voltage and don't give a rip about MHz except for the minor heat increase. The chip in my phone is a bad clocker though. If I could get 1400mhz to work at close to the stock 1200mhz voltage I would do it in a heartbeat. Sadly mine requires a healthy bump so I abstain. At least until I can afford to replace it
Number one rule of overclocking, don't push the voltage if you can't afford to replace it
I discussed the topic of overclocking processors with a friend of mine who design cellphone CPUs. He told me that over the lifetime of a CPU, the insulating oxide layers break down. This process is considerably faster at 40% extra power and frequency. So don't expect it to last as long as a normally clocked CPU. So the question is how long it would normally last.
I have my SGP5 overclocked to 1.5ghz at the moment via Tegrak. Everything is running smoothly but the spot on the back where the CPU is gets warm to the touch. Not hot or anything, but obviously warm.
Before I had it overclocked to 1.45ghz and it stayed a lot cooler, but to get to 1.5 I had to bump the core voltage to 1.35v. I also have the up-threshold set to 35% so it spends a good amount of time at max speed.
Since these things don't have CPU temp monitoring, how do you tell when it's too hot? My battery temp never goes much over 80*F, so that doesn't seem like a good indicator of anything.
Sitting here playing music with Mufin my IR temp gun reads a max of 100*F on the back of the case over the CPU. Battery temp is reading 77*. Is that too warm? How much of a temp differential can there be between the outside of the case and the CPU itself?
I'm no noob to overclocking PCs, but this is my first Android device so I don't really know it's limits as clearly.
Any help would be mucho appreciated!
DISCLAIMER - anything within this thread has the potential to do permanent damage.. I haven't had any issues yet but will not be held responsible for any damage!
So I just pulled the back cover off it. Running the same program for 10-15mins the CPU never exceeded 82.5*F which is well within safe limits imo.
I guess that goes to show how poor the cooling is in one of these things with the back cover on. I'm going to keep running 1.5ghz and report any issues. The difference in smoothness between 1.4 and 1.5ghz is pretty dramatic.. web browsing is very very smooth now. I probably won't be going any higher than 1.5, but for now it seems safe.
Tegrak Ultimate Profile -
Level0
1500mhz
1.350mV core
1.155mV internal
Level 2-4 untouched
Level 5 (undervolted for better battery life)
100mhz
850mV core
900mV internal
Using ondemand governor
35% up-threshold
exodus454 said:
So I just pulled the back cover off it. Running the same program for 10-15mins the CPU never exceeded 82.5*F which is well within safe limits imo.
I guess that goes to show how poor the cooling is in one of these things with the back cover on. I'm going to keep running 1.5ghz and report any issues. The difference in smoothness between 1.4 and 1.5ghz is pretty dramatic.. web browsing is very very smooth now. I probably won't be going any higher than 1.5, but for now it seems safe.
Tegrak Ultimate Profile -
Level0
1500mhz
1.350mV core
1.155mV internal
Level 2-4 untouched
Level 5 (undervolted for better battery life)
100mhz
850mV core
900mV internal
Using ondemand governor
35% up-threshold
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Just tried your profile, and I have to say it works fantastic! The web browsing really is super fast.
Is there any major danger at this clock speed with On-Demand on? I mean, it'll only use 1.5GHz if it needs it right?
ZaIINN said:
Just tried your profile, and I have to say it works fantastic! The web browsing really is super fast.
Is there any major danger at this clock speed with On-Demand on? I mean, it'll only use 1.5GHz if it needs it right?
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Ondemand from my understanding, scales processor speed using the values in the up/down (I believe System Tuner refers to down as "powersave bias") threshold. From my experience it's the best governor to use as far as customizing it easily and getting it to respond well.
Whatever you set the up-threshold to, when CPU load exceeds that value it bumps the speed up to the next "level" and ending in full speed. Then when CPU load falls below the down-threshold, it scales it back down to the next lowest level, so on and so-forth. You can also adjust the sampling rate too - lower frequency means it checks the CPU load more frequently and essentially makes the governor more responsive.
When I set mine to 35%, almost any program aside from stuff sitting almost completely idle will trip the CPU to hit 1.5ghz. This makes everything real responsive and may use more battery.. but I prefer having a more responsive device. You can also adjust the up-threshold to a higher number to try to lower temps and extend battery life. You can really play around with it to suit your needs, there's not really anything to screw up there.
There shouldn't be any danger using it with the ondemand.. but since I haven't tested this for more than a few days right now just keep an eye on temps (especially while playing games) and watch out for any "stuttering" out of the blue. Mine gets warm but nothing excessive. You'll be able to feel it on the back between the speakers.
I have to say though, even running such a high clock speed I'm not really seeing any negative effect on battery life so far.
Lemme know how yours goes!
How can it not have any risks? When the heat is too much somethig will explode wouldn't it?
No just kidding, but seriously. There is a risk of overheating a hardware and 'destroying' it, there should be!
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Well of course there's always some risk in overclocking! Especially when you don't know what you're doing.
As far as using one governor or another though.. when it comes down to it there shouldn't be a huge difference.
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I use SetCPU for root, but i don't see an option for more than 1200 mhz. How can I get it to 1500?
Rapydax said:
I use SetCPU for root, but i don't see an option for more than 1200 mhz. How can I get it to 1500?
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Tegrak Overclock Ultimate
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Tegrak Overclock Ultimate
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you bought it?
i really want tegrak OC can you send me it in pm?
kfirbep said:
you bought it?
i really want tegrak OC can you send me it in pm?
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Better battery life. But be careful with undervolting. It can cause phone to be unstable. Under clocking is more forgiving. If you are going to do either I would suggest only making small changes and then use phone for several hours to settle in. If all good then try next step lower and test until you find the limit of your phone. Then bump it back up to last stable setting.
There are no noticeable benefits.
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There are no noticeable benefits.
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I agree, its mostly the placebo effect regarding lag, a variable effect regarding battery life, due to user apps, and downright dangerous regarding overheating.
But many people whine when its not available for a kernel. I don't have a very high opinion of its necessity.
Battery life in our phones is dominated by the screen and radio (cell and wifi) but I find that undervolting at least reduces the heat when I'm doing something intensive like SNES emulation. Lag in our phones is also primarily a software issue (I have other Android devices with the same hardware running at the same MHz and it's a smoother experience).
Not that my Note got hot, it's just less warm.
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If someone would teach me that would be great!
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There's no reason not to under volt.
UC=Under clock
UV=Under volt
OC=Over clock
OV=Over volt.
Newer generations of chips have tremendous tolerances. If you were to look at the S3, a Qualcomm built SoC that was a bit long-in-the-tooth by the time the Note was released, you'd see that in many cases, there were phones that featured the chip, but were clocked lower... I.E at 1,000 MHz.
Most chips are designed to run faster than they do, at least for short periods of time. Modern chips use temperature and load to designate the running frequency.
When Qualcomm releases a chip, they need to be sure that 99% of the units they produce, can run with a near-flawless level of stability. Because of this, they often run chips slower, and at a higher voltage than is actually needed. The result is, that Qualcomm or Samsung might design a chip rated for 2ghz, and release their first device with the chip running at 1.5ghz. This is common. Each piece of silicon is slightly different due to manufacturing differences. Chips are made on giant discs, with hundreds of chips on a single disc. The chips in the center are generally considered to be of a slightly higher quality, requiring less voltage, or capable of running at a higher frequency, sometimes both. Because of this, each device is capable of slightly more, or slightly less. The challenge is for Qualcomm to set the speed and power usage for every chip-- the challenge for us, is to see if we can run the chip at a higher frequency, while drawing less power....because power =heat, and power= battery life.
There are two different ways to approach customizing frequency and voltage to your needs.
One: If you could run your Note at 1,900mhz, instead of 1500mhz, and draw the same amount of power, that'd be considered a success case. Your device would be faster, without a hit in battery life.
Two: Or, if you could run the device at the same speed, and lower the voltage (saving battery life), this would also be considered a success.
Sometimes, but rarely in the mobile space, you'll get lucky and receive a prime piece of silicon, and you'll be able to over clock, WHILE undervolting...resulting in a faster phone that uses battery life.
Ranger was correct...clock speed changes on the order of +/-20 percent are hardly noticeable. However, power requirements grow exponentially at higher frequencies, and on a mobile device, they're noticeable. While a device might require 1.2 volts at 1.5 GHz, and 1.3 at 1.6ghz, it might also only require 1.05, or 1.0 volts at 1.4ghz. These numbers are theoretical, and shouldn't be used-they arent even close to correct. They're used merely to illustrate that to over clock, chips often require more power than over clocking is worth, in heat (and heat past a certain point will instantly fry your device, or will reduce the lifespan of the chip).
These are general ideas on over clocking. If you want to know something specific, ask away. When over clocking/underclocking, the governor used (a set of conditions that tells the CPU when to change from, say 300mhz (when the screen is off, and the device isn't being used), to 1.5ghz, when both cores are being used, and fully loaded.
If you want to save battery life, a combination of build.prop radio tweaks, modem tweaks, under clocking profiles, and using a custom governor can significantly increase standby time, and noticeably, but not too significantly increase usage time. Its important to know though, that the screen is the hungriest part of our device, and brightness is the the quickest setting to adjust to gain battery life.
The same is true for performance. Kernel, OC profiles, build.prop and launcher tweaks, GOU over clocking, etc. All in combination can have a noticeable effect, because performance is the net sum of dozens of moving parts.
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Jamesyboy said:
There's no reason not to under volt.
UC=Under clock
UV=Under volt
OC=Over clock
OV=Over volt.
Newer generations of chips have tremendous tolerances. If you were to look at the S3, a Qualcomm built SoC that was a bit long-in-the-tooth by the time the Note was released, you'd see that in many cases, there were phones that featured the chip, but were clocked lower... I.E at 1,000 MHz.
Most chips are designed to run faster than they do, at least for short periods of time. Modern chips use temperature and load to designate the running frequency.
When Qualcomm releases a chip, they need to be sure that 99% of the units they produce, can run with a near-flawless level of stability. Because of this, they often run chips slower, and at a higher voltage than is actually needed. The result is, that Qualcomm or Samsung might design a chip rated for 2ghz, and release their first device with the chip running at 1.5ghz. This is common. Each piece of silicon is slightly different due to manufacturing differences. Chips are made on giant discs, with hundreds of chips on a single disc. The chips in the center are generally considered to be of a slightly higher quality, requiring less voltage, or capable of running at a higher frequency, sometimes both. Because of this, each device is capable of slightly more, or slightly less. The challenge is for Qualcomm to set the speed and power usage for every chip-- the challenge for us, is to see if we can run the chip at a higher frequency, while drawing less power....because power =heat, and power= battery life.
There are two different ways to approach customizing frequency and voltage to your needs.
One: If you could run your Note at 1,900mhz, instead of 1500mhz, and draw the same amount of power, that'd be considered a success case. Your device would be faster, without a hit in battery life.
Two: Or, if you could run the device at the same speed, and lower the voltage (saving battery life), this would also be considered a success.
Sometimes, but rarely in the mobile space, you'll get lucky and receive a prime piece of silicon, and you'll be able to over clock, WHILE undervolting...resulting in a faster phone that uses battery life.
Ranger was correct...clock speed changes on the order of +/-20 percent are hardly noticeable. However, power requirements grow exponentially at higher frequencies, and on a mobile device, they're noticeable. While a device might require 1.2 volts at 1.5 GHz, and 1.3 at 1.6ghz, it might also only require 1.05, or 1.0 volts at 1.4ghz. These numbers are theoretical, and shouldn't be used-they arent even close to correct. They're used merely to illustrate that to over clock, chips often require more power than over clocking is worth, in heat (and heat past a certain point will instantly fry your device, or will reduce the lifespan of the chip).
These are general ideas on over clocking. If you want to know something specific, ask away. When over clocking/underclocking, the governor used (a set of conditions that tells the CPU when to change from, say 300mhz (when the screen is off, and the device isn't being used), to 1.5ghz, when both cores are being used, and fully loaded.
If you want to save battery life, a combination of build.prop radio tweaks, modem tweaks, under clocking profiles, and using a custom governor can significantly increase standby time, and noticeably, but not too significantly increase usage time. Its important to know though, that the screen is the hungriest part of our device, and brightness is the the quickest setting to adjust to gain battery life.
The same is true for performance. Kernel, OC profiles, build.prop and launcher tweaks, GOU over clocking, etc. All in combination can have a noticeable effect, because performance is the net sum of dozens of moving parts.
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So what I understood is this: instead of having let's say, your note running at 1.2ghz consuming 15% battery per hour you can have it at 1.5ghz consuming the same battery life?
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Hey, this is my first post here! **Edited for... uh... clarity and to add some information. Hopefully it's more readable now.
I found a way to control and manage the thermal throttling of the device.***
Modern smartphones create a lot of heat, and usually the casing of the device or the aluminum midframe chassis is used as a heatsink. Unlike a laptop, it does not have a cooling fan, so it must rely on the passive dissipation of heat through the casing of the device and the display panel to keep the CPU temperature down. On the Nexus 6P, there is decent thermal contact between the processor IC and the midframe. However, due to both the fact that the RAM is layered over top of the CPU and because the thermal contact is still not ideal, it is difficult to keep the CPU as cool as a computer implementation.
In order to reduce heat production and control the temperature of the device, the OEM implements thermal engine for Qualcomm MSM chipset in order to slow the frequency of the CPU and GPU cores down when the temperature is high.
Right now it is set to 50C throttling temperature, presumably so that the heat production does not cause the display panel to heat up to the touch, as at lower powers, the thermal mass of the aluminum frame plus passive dissipation will make case temperature increases not very noticeable. However, at 50C, the CPU will often throttle even at medium load, because the hardware does not make it easy to keep the temperature under that. This has been true for every phone I have worked with in the past and some are even worse at this.
Personally, I find that having a high (>45C) surface temperature is not a huge problem (You can decide that for yourself. if it is a problem for you, this won't help you. You can't change the power efficiency limit of the processor). In my use case, when I have a lot of applications open, especially Firefox in desktop mode, or 4-way Android M multitasking or something like that (or just typing to a lot of people in Facebook Messenger or something similar). I kinda use the thing like a computer so obviously it has extended periods of high CPU workload and the device starts to throttle back to something like 1344 or 960MHz or even lower.
Given this, what I want to do is change the CPU throttle temperature to a higher one. Generally, we don't need to worry about protecting the processor hardware because it has built in thermal shutdown/reset functions should something go wrong. It's at something like 110C, which sounds high, but as someone who uses a MacBook Pro, it is normal to see the CPU temperature that high! Intel generally throttles at a much higher temperature because they don't care about the actual temp of the heat sink, only that of the processor die.
In the past kernel I tried, there was an option to set up the thermal throttling temperature (God's Kernel). However, I switched to the AK kernel recently, due to its High Performance Audio feature. This kernel did not include support for this configuration.
I am running MH19Q Marshmallow stock.
I used File Explorer with root access to go to system/etc I think and there is a file called thermal_engine.conf or similar. If you edit it, you see there are a lot of values. Actually basically if you look around, there are a lot of temperature values in there seperated by the things they control. I would like to explain more, but I think it is better if you can open up your file and my file side by side and see for yourself what's different. The gist is that there's a table of values and a bunch of actions to take when they're hit, and of course, there are release temperatures, which are basically the lower hysterisis limit I think. The temperature values look like 44000 or 43000 by default, which means 44C and 33C (celcius)and I changed mine to 97000 (97 C)
Here you can find the content of the file. Type in the pastebin website, then put slash QYhi05rE.
I didnt keep my old file.... sorry about that... Perhaps someone can post it if they have it.
With stuff set to 97 C, the device heats up a lot more, obviously, but it's manageable. If you have something like Cinema 4K open for a long time, of course it will get to like 50C on the surface (That is quite unconfortable to put your hand on, but I'm okay with it). Hangouts video calling seems to be the worst and sometimes the battery will get higher than 50C and then stop charging. Given the design of the phone, by the time the battery gets too hot to be safe, the system will probably shutdown or restart, and you'll notice it LONG before anything becomes a problem.
Thanks for looking!
***Do this at your own risk, as with all root mods and tricks. Obviously this has the risk of breaking things or causing hardware to fail. High temperatures on BGA soldered chips have been observed to increase the failure rates, even in stuff like routers and TVs and other stuff that you don't generally think of as having thermal issues. My last phone (Note 5) kinda broke after a little while, although I'm not sure if me doing this caused it. (Appears to be display panel issue, but have not tested). All I know is that earlier that day I was outside filming on it and processing video, and that the area above the SoC got rather warm to the touch. Which should be read as "painfully hot" to most.
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LarryChendragon2099 said:
Hey, this is my first post here! **Edited for... uh... clarity and to add some information. Hopefully it's more readable now.
I found a way to control and manage the thermal throttling of the device.***
Modern smartphones create a lot of heat, and usually the casing of the device or the aluminum midframe chassis is used as a heatsink. Unlike a laptop, it does not have a cooling fan, so it must rely on the passive dissipation of heat through the casing of the device and the display panel to keep the CPU temperature down. On the Nexus 6P, there is decent thermal contact between the processor IC and the midframe. However, due to both the fact that the RAM is layered over top of the CPU and because the thermal contact is still not ideal, it is difficult to keep the CPU as cool as a computer implementation.
In order to reduce heat production and control the temperature of the device, the OEM implements thermal engine for Qualcomm MSM chipset in order to slow the frequency of the CPU and GPU cores down when the temperature is high.
Right now it is set to 50C throttling temperature, presumably so that the heat production does not cause the display panel to heat up to the touch, as at lower powers, the thermal mass of the aluminum frame plus passive dissipation will make case temperature increases not very noticeable. However, at 50C, the CPU will often throttle even at medium load, because the hardware does not make it easy to keep the temperature under that. This has been true for every phone I have worked with in the past and some are even worse at this.
Personally, I find that having a high (>45C) surface temperature is not a huge problem (You can decide that for yourself. if it is a problem for you, this won't help you. You can't change the power efficiency limit of the processor). In my use case, when I have a lot of applications open, especially Firefox in desktop mode, or 4-way Android M multitasking or something like that (or just typing to a lot of people in Facebook Messenger or something similar). I kinda use the thing like a computer so obviously it has extended periods of high CPU workload and the device starts to throttle back to something like 1344 or 960MHz or even lower.
Given this, what I want to do is change the CPU throttle temperature to a higher one. Generally, we don't need to worry about protecting the processor hardware because it has built in thermal shutdown/reset functions should something go wrong. It's at something like 110C, which sounds high, but as someone who uses a MacBook Pro, it is normal to see the CPU temperature that high! Intel generally throttles at a much higher temperature because they don't care about the actual temp of the heat sink, only that of the processor die.
In the past kernel I tried, there was an option to set up the thermal throttling temperature (God's Kernel). However, I switched to the AK kernel recently, due to its High Performance Audio feature. This kernel did not include support for this configuration.
I am running MH19Q Marshmallow stock.
I used File Explorer with root access to go to system/etc I think and there is a file called thermal_engine.conf or similar. If you edit it, you see there are a lot of values. Actually basically if you look around, there are a lot of temperature values in there seperated by the things they control. I would like to explain more, but I think it is better if you can open up your file and my file side by side and see for yourself what's different. The gist is that there's a table of values and a bunch of actions to take when they're hit, and of course, there are release temperatures, which are basically the lower hysterisis limit I think. The temperature values look like 44000 or 43000 by default, which means 44C and 33C (celcius)and I changed mine to 97000 (97 C)
Here you can find the content of the file. Type in the pastebin website, then put slash QYhi05rE.
I didnt keep my old file.... sorry about that... Perhaps someone can post it if they have it.
With stuff set to 97 C, the device heats up a lot more, obviously, but it's manageable. If you have something like Cinema 4K open for a long time, of course it will get to like 50C on the surface (That is quite unconfortable to put your hand on, but I'm okay with it). Hangouts video calling seems to be the worst and sometimes the battery will get higher than 50C and then stop charging. Given the design of the phone, by the time the battery gets too hot to be safe, the system will probably shutdown or restart, and you'll notice it LONG before anything becomes a problem.
Thanks for looking!
***Do this at your own risk, as with all root mods and tricks. Obviously this has the risk of breaking things or causing hardware to fail. High temperatures on BGA soldered chips have been observed to increase the failure rates, even in stuff like routers and TVs and other stuff that you don't generally think of as having thermal issues. My last phone (Note 5) kinda broke after a little while, although I'm not sure if me doing this caused it. (Appears to be display panel issue, but have not tested). All I know is that earlier that day I was outside filming on it and processing video, and that the area above the SoC got rather warm to the touch. Which should be read as "painfully hot" to most.
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Not new.
This has been around and discussed for a while.
I have been running a modified thermal-engine.conf since day one.