Hello all, I used the htc unlock method, but I am not able to flash a different radio version.
Does anyone know how to do that?
(Just booting into bootloader does not do the trick like it would normal unlock methods)
Thanks.
Anyone?
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have you tried the commands
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fastboot boot recovery.img
and flashing the radios from fastboot? or FlashimageGUI (which probably will not work for radios)
I have been wondering this myself. I have not heard of any methods that have come up to allow this recently. Same thing goes for splash images as I havent seen any method for those.
I have an idea of how it may be possible though. Perhaps someone else with a bit more knowledge can chime in to let us know if it is possible or not.
Anyhow.
Being officially unlocked I don't believe that ROOT is an issue like it is on an unofficial method. I know typically you would NOT accept an OTA to prevent the loss of ROOT. However, being an officially unlocked device, I am not sure if it matters.
I know that when I unlocked my device I had to manually unlock it, then I installed my recovery, then I simply flashed SU to it. My thought is that you can take the OTA. If the OTA doesn't work, you may have to re-lock the device, then run the OTA. But I believe the OTA would be safe. Once OTA completed, then flash your unlock token again, put recovery back on, then flash SU again.
Or I believe you could also wait for the new RUU instead of an OTA. Put on stock ROM, re-lock, run RUU, re-unlock, install recovery, flash SU.
The problem is that you may not be able to flash back to the previous radio once you are done.
Any thoughts on this?
UPDATE: I recently (like two minutes ago) learned that an RUU will not update a radio. I was under the impression that they did. Since it will not, I guess the RUU method will not work. Still curious about the OTA method though.
From the HTCDev Q and A:
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Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
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Well, yeah. The S stays on to protect the radio.
But the S would be on regardless if you never rooted to begin with, but an OTA would allow the radio to update. So, my thought is that you can potentially take an OTA with the HTC unlock method and get the new radio.
If it were me, I would save my titanium file to my PC (just as a precaution), I would re-lock my device using fastboot oem lock, then I would run the RUU that matches my current software version. This would return me to stock/unrooted. At this point you should be able to accept an OTA. The OTA updates your radio/software/etc. Once you update, flash the unlock token again, then flash the superuser binary back onto the phone. Now, this would be contingent that HTC doesn't go back on their word and they dont push an OTA that prevents you from unlocking the phone.
Now, Ill admit I am not a developer, so I am not an expert, but it is my understanding that once it is unlocked putting root on the phone is pretty straight forward. You don't have to come up with a root method such as revolutionary, etc. It should simply allow Superuser because it is unlocked. If this is not the case, then Ill admit that my thought process is flawed. However, if it is the case, then why not return to stock, take an OTA, unlock, re-root, use titanium? Like I said, may not be able to return to previous radio, but why would you anyhow?
mildlydisturbed said:
have you tried the commands
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot boot recovery.img
and flashing the radios from fastboot?
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Can someone tell me how exactly to accomplish the above?
I ran these commands and the it said "Installing update..." but the radio remains the same.
Thanks again.
So here's my goal, to leave everything stock, with only root (su installed), so I can install a Verizon locked app, su, and perhaps busybox (I installed Terminal Emulator, but virutally no commands available).
1. Why use the one-click method over the method? As I understand it, the just unlocks the bootloader, so I'd need to install a custom recovery, to be able to flash an unsigned zip (su). I'd like to keep the stock recovery. Perhaps the process is to flash custom recovery, su, then restore stock recovery?
2. After I get root, will future OTA updates work? I'd like to not break that functionality.
3. It would be nice if would also allow you to just get root on your phone without dealing with the bootloader.
I've rooted and flashed my old Cliq, and it's nice having root when I need it. I also wanted to play around with setting the button led backlight levels, which via the command line requires root.
wrong section man
Well, perhaps I mis-understood the sections. Seems any questions having to do with roms/rooting go in this section.
Either way, questions still stands, and it seems your the resident expert for this phone.
Forgot to add, from all the other threads I've read, it seems there is/was some confusion as to whether or not the method would all you to flash a new kernel, not that I currently want to do that.
Edit: Since this is apparently in the wrong section, can one of the mods move it?
Edit 2: Thanks Binary100100 for moving this thread to the correct section.
oryan_dunn said:
Well, perhaps I mis-understood the sections. Seems any questions having to do with roms/rooting go in this section.
Either way, questions still stands, and it seems your the resident expert for this phone.
Forgot to add, from all the other threads I've read, it seems there is/was some confusion as to whether or not the method would all you to flash a new kernel, not that I currently want to do that.
Edit: Since this is apparently in the wrong section, can one of the mods move it?
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you can flash kernels it is harder what else you need to know
How do I backup the stock recovery?
If I unlock the bootloader, do I need to flash a custom recovery to move forward? Or does unlocking the bootloader allow me to flash unsigned zips?
yes and its hard to backup stock recovery i got a backup all ready
So with an unlocked bootloader, I won't need a custom recovery? Just trying to learn, as it's a bit different than my Cliq.
you do need custom recovery sorry man i cant do much more explaing so busy butother people help you and look around read root threads etc
Well, thanks for the help so far.
If any one else is reading this thread, these are the questions I still have:
1. How do I backup the stock recovery? I know once I load a custom recovery, I will be able to backup the stock ROM.
2. Disregarding any warranty issues, why choose the method or the One-Click method?
3. Once unlocked/rooted, will DRM content still work? Will the Movies section in the Android Market still be available? It's not on my Cliq with CyanogenMod 7.
4. Once unlocked/rooted, will OTA updates apply correctly? Was anyone rooted on 1.36.531.5 and have the 1.36.531.6 update apply correctly?
5. Does the method wipe the device?
Thanks,
Ryan
oryan_dunn said:
Well, thanks for the help so far.
If any one else is reading this thread, these are the questions I still have:
1. How do I backup the stock recovery? I know once I load a custom recovery, I will be able to backup the stock ROM.
2. Disregarding any warranty issues, why choose the method or the One-Click method?
3. Once unlocked/rooted, will DRM content still work? Will the Movies section in the Android Market still be available? It's not on my Cliq with CyanogenMod 7.
4. Once unlocked/rooted, will OTA updates apply correctly? Was anyone rooted on 1.36.531.5 and have the 1.36.531.6 update apply correctly?
5. Does the method wipe the device?
Thanks,
Ryan
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1. There is no need to backup the stock recovery. Once you flash a custom recovery there will never be a need to go back to stock. If for whatever reason you do want stock then just flash an ruu and you'll go completely back to stock.
2. You MUST use the method to get the unlock_code.bin file to unlock your bootloader before you even attempt to get root access. Once you have your bootloader unlocked you can make changes to the root of your device. With it locked you can only obtain a partial root which will reset itself after a reboot. For example, if you obtain a temporary root and remove a system app (like boatware), or two, or ten (whatever) then reboot they will re-appear. So you MUST have either s-off (not going to happen until an exploit is found and really isn't needed) or an unlocked bootloader. Once you receive the file from HTC then follow the included instructions to unlock your device. NOTE: You will lose all of your data when you unlock your bootloader so back it up first! After your bootloader is unlocked you can obtain root by one of two methods.
a) 1-Click root script.
This simply pushes an app called SuperUser.apk to the /system partition and a su binary file to the /system/bin directory which gives us root. Then download ClorckworkMod app from Market and install the custom recovery. From the app you can select "reboot to recovery" and install your custom roms.
b) Placing a custom recovery in a form of a PH85IMG.zip on the root of your external sdcard and boot into the bootloader. Then update the recovery.
Now with all of that being said I want to make something clear. The unlock method does NOT allow you to use the device for other carriers! You would still require the T-Mobile SIM to use the device.
3. Having root does have some disadvantages. Some roms may effect the ability to watch DRM movies, watch movies from Market, etc. Depends on your rom though. Check with the developer. ALWAYS make a nandroid backup prior to flashing any rom! That way if you don't like what you flashed you can always revert.
4. Okay... well I stand corrected.... this is the ONLY real reason to install the stock recovery. However installing an OTA update will cause you to lose root. Even with a custom recovery and a stock rom... if you receive a notice to install an update it will not work! The best alternative if you really really really want the update and lose all root then flash an RUU, do the update and hope that HTC didn't do anything to prevent you from getting root again. My best advice would be to wait for your favorite developer to update his/her rom with the update that you're trying to flash. That way you won't lose your data (shouldn't anyway) and no real risk of losing root.
With all that being said... I'm moving this to General because it's where all the Q&A's go.
Thanks for all the detailed info. I'd like root (installation of Superuser only) for the stock ROM. I don't plan on installing a custom ROM at this time. If I have an unlocked bootloader, how could HTC block root access? Couldn't I just flash an su zip? Ideally, I'd like to be able to swap recoveries out to apply the OTA updates. I kinda wish they had a code to just give me root access on the stock ROM.
I see the ruu thread, but am concerned about the source of the ROMs. Does HTC ever officially release a complete stock ROM?
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oryan_dunn said:
Thanks for all the detailed info. I'd like root (installation of Superuser only) for the stock ROM. I don't plan on installing a custom ROM at this time. If I have an unlocked bootloader, how could HTC block root access? Couldn't I just flash an su zip? Ideally, I'd like to be able to swap recoveries out to apply the OTA updates. I kinda wish they had a code to just give me root access on the stock ROM.
I see the ruu thread, but am concerned about the source of the ROMs. Does HTC ever officially release a complete stock ROM?
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This is all that you really need here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1324177
If you really want to be able to download and install system updates you will need the stock recovery in step 4.
oryan_dunn said:
Thanks for all the detailed info. I'd like root (installation of Superuser only) for the stock ROM. I don't plan on installing a custom ROM at this time. If I have an unlocked bootloader, how could HTC block root access? Couldn't I just flash an su zip? Ideally, I'd like to be able to swap recoveries out to apply the OTA updates. I kinda wish they had a code to just give me root access on the stock ROM.
I see the ruu thread, but am concerned about the source of the ROMs. Does HTC ever officially release a complete stock ROM?
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IDK but I read your questions in a very slow voice like mr. mackey in southpark or something
anyways, why are you so worried about getting OTA updates?
a developer will eventually root and deodex it anyways.
You say you want to keep stock rom, but why don't you try the Custom ROMs which are basically stock ROMs on steroids?
You do realize when you apply an OTA update you lose your root access and there is a possibility that it'll be harder to even have your device rooted in the future.
For example, the mt4g, everybody got happy and updated to the gingerbread OTA, but lost root and nobody found out how to exploit it until about a month later or so.. and that is only by downgrading which is a tedious process that many, who don't know how to use ADB, have troubles with.
I believe the OTA updates comes with new bootloaders and radios, not only the rom, so it will lock your bootloader. (I think) that's what it does to other devices. Who knows if htcdev will work on all bootloaders. just my two cents, if you want full control of your device, unlock bootloader and root it. You can get every OTA update through developers here.
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IDK but I read your questions in a very slow voice like mr. mackey in southpark or something
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Man, hopefully I don't sound like that. I really appreciate all the step-by-step guides; but, unlike most people, I want to understand what I'm doing, not just run through the steps.
anyways, why are you so worried about getting OTA updates?
a developer will eventually root and deodex it anyways.
You say you want to keep stock rom, but why don't you try the Custom ROMs which are basically stock ROMs on steroids?
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Well, I don't really want to wipe my device at this time, so that probably rules out the HTC Dev method and installing a custom ROM. I asked about the source of the ROMs in the RUU thread, but if the stock recovery would flash them, then they'd obviously have been signed by HTC. If software is available via an official source, why would I download it from a forum? If I can get Ubuntu from Canonical, I wouldn't go download the ISO from an unofficial mirror (or if I did, I'd verify with the md5sum keys posted by Canonical).
Since I am really happy with my device as it is, and the ease of updating via OTA, I didn't want to give that up, just for the couple things I want to do with root access.
You do realize when you apply an OTA update you lose your root access and there is a possibility that it'll be harder to even have your device rooted in the future.
For example, the mt4g, everybody got happy and updated to the gingerbread OTA, but lost root and nobody found out how to exploit it until about a month later or so.. and that is only by downgrading which is a tedious process that many, who don't know how to use ADB, have troubles with.
I believe the OTA updates comes with new bootloaders and radios, not only the rom, so it will lock your bootloader. (I think) that's what it does to other devices. Who knows if htcdev will work on all bootloaders. just my two cents, if you want full control of your device, unlock bootloader and root it. You can get every OTA update through developers here.
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Hmm, unless these devices have backup/secondary bootloaders, I doubt and OTA update would flash a new one, as an error during that flash could brick the device. It would seem odd that HTC would promise to unlock bootloaders, give an OTA update that would not work with their site. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, just seems unlikely. Was the MT4G unlock done via? If it was an exploit to gain root, then I'd understand why they'd loose root.
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Hmm, unless these devices have backup/secondary bootloaders, I doubt and OTA update would flash a new one, as an error during that flash could brick the device. It would seem odd that HTC would promise to unlock bootloaders, give an OTA update that would not work with their site. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, just seems unlikely. Was the MT4G unlock done via? If it was an exploit to gain root, then I'd understand why they'd loose root.
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HTC has updated their bootloaders via OTA on a few occasions. And we know that HTC and T-Mobile (along with other carriers) read these forums as well (shout out to HTC and our wireless carriers) so almost literally the day of an exploit is discovered and if HTC isn't happy with our findings what do you suppose they will do? They will almost always look for the safest way to update the bootloader and keep us from being able to use that exploit. Seeing that we still don't have S-OFF (and may never have it) they are obviously doing all they can to make it more and more difficult. That in itself is proof that they don't want us to have it. So would they push an OTA to keep us locked to S-ON if they can? You better believe it!
I can see them patching a hole that would get you S-OFF, but seems odd that they would take back an unlocked bootloader that they themselves unlocked.
I guess I'm ok with the offical unlock method without S-OFF, if the only things I can't do are flash a new bootloader, radio, or unlock the SIM. Did I miss anything there?
I don't get it, you say you want to use root on the stock roms, and now you're saying why bother downloading a stock ROM that is prerooted when you can download stock ROM that isn't rooted ota? What is the difference? You're going to want to root the ota updates and the developers are already providing it for you. it doesn't matter where you get it, you're gonna use some 3rd party exploit to root the ROM anyways.
You my friend seems to have a indecisive problem. I understand that you want to understand the process, but if you don't want anything to do with 3rd party developing you're in the wrong place. You're making your life very hard.
And i think that's about it about being s-on. It's more of the hardware functionality that is locked.
Think about it as a locked bios kinda... Lol
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Teo032 said:
I don't get it, you say you want to use root on the stock roms, and now you're saying why bother downloading a stock ROM that is prerooted when you can download stock ROM that isn't rooted ota? What is the difference? You're going to want to root the ota updates and the developers are already providing it for you. it doesn't matter where you get it, you're gonna use some 3rd party exploit to root the ROM anyways.
You my friend seems to have a indecisive problem. I understand that you want to understand the process, but if you don't want anything to do with 3rd party developing you're in the wrong place. You're making your life very hard.
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I don't need to use an exploit to root the stock rom. I can unlock my bootloader direct from HTC, flash a new recovery, and then flash the superuser program. That was kinda my point in asking in the first place... why use an exploit (one-click), when an official route is available?
oryan_dunn said:
I don't need to use an exploit to root the stock rom. I can unlock my bootloader direct from HTC, flash a new recovery, and then flash the superuser program. That was kinda my point in asking in the first place... why use an exploit (one-click), when an official route is available?
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That's considered official? It's basically the same thing..
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Teo032 said:
That's considered official? It's basically the same thing..
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Well, yeah, you end up at the same place, except instead of using an exploit, I go to HTC to get an unlock code. I'd consider it official since I'd go through HTC to get the ball rolling.
Looking to permanently root my HTC Gratia running stock Froyo 2.2 and HBoot 1.02 but can't figure out what I need to do. I don't want to install any custom recoveries or ROM's just yet so does that mean I don't need to S-Off?
Should I root using http://unrevoked.com/recovery/ in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737
Or should I root using revolutionary in this thread which also does S-Off:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-aria/help/root-gratia-aria-2014-confused-t2863923
Do the two links work for the HTC Gratia as well as the Aria as there is a difference in the baseband and I don't want to lose 3G on my Gratia (the Aria has a different frequency for 3G and some have lost their 3G after flashing/rooting).
Also, it seems the CWM custom recovery installed in the two links above may have a bug that causes the display to show the recovery screen when charging (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474662 and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159237). Does anyone know which version of CWM is installed by unrevoked and revolutionary and is there a version that doesn't have this bug so you can charge properly off-line?
One last thing, on the HTCDev website, it says the bootloader can be unlocked which also roots the phone. However, if I restart the phone, I think root is lost so this is not permanent. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24831976&postcount=8 and also taken from the HTCDev.com site with relevant section highlighted in red:
"You do not need to turn security off to accomplish the basic installation of a custom rom which even includes providing root access and remounting your system to be writable. Note: you shouldn’t really need to keep the system files writable across reboots as this is primarily useful only while developing.".
If I do unlock the bootloader, does this root the phone or do I have to do something else?
All very confusing so if anyone could advise, that would be great. All I want is root for my stock Gratia Froyo 2.2 without custom recovery (if possible) or firmware or any charging bugs when the mobile is switched off! Thanks in advance.
Anyone able to help with rooting queries in the first post?
First off, ignore anything about unrevoked - it's an exploit for the old bootloader, and doesn't work on the newer one (1.02).
Revolutionary is probably the best way to go... I don't know of a way to get permanent root with the S-ON system protection.
This guide you already linked is the best IMO, and I think should be stickied...
Newer Revolutionary automatically installs its own recovery, so you can skip that part of the guide.
Just unlocking the bootloader doesn't add the required stuff for root (unless it's a script or something that does both).. So you'll need to install the SU zip linked at the bottom of that guide, then you should have root
Off-mode charging doesn't work with some recoveries because it's a part of the same recovery image, just telling it to boot differently - so if a recovery doesn't support off-mode charging, it just boots normally
I dug back a few pages and found this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1025704
I think I used it a long time ago, but I don't really remember much about it
Should be able to just install the zip from your current recovery. If not, extract recovery.img from it and boot the phone into fastboot, then run "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" from your PC.
Sorry if I'm too late, there's hardly any activity here anymore so I don't check threads I'm not subscribed to very often
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First off, ignore anything about unrevoked - it's an exploit for the old bootloader, and doesn't work on the newer one (1.02).
Revolutionary is probably the best way to go... I don't know of a way to get permanent root with the S-ON system protection.
This guide you already linked is the best IMO, and I think should be stickied...
Newer Revolutionary automatically installs its own recovery, so you can skip that part of the guide.
Just unlocking the bootloader doesn't add the required stuff for root (unless it's a script or something that does both).. So you'll need to install the SU zip linked at the bottom of that guide, then you should have root
Off-mode charging doesn't work with some recoveries because it's a part of the same recovery image, just telling it to boot differently - so if a recovery doesn't support off-mode charging, it just boots normally
I dug back a few pages and found this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1025704
I think I used it a long time ago, but I don't really remember much about it
Should be able to just install the zip from your current recovery. If not, extract recovery.img from it and boot the phone into fastboot, then run "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" from your PC.
Sorry if I'm too late, there's hardly any activity here anymore so I don't check threads I'm not subscribed to very often
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Thanks so much Winsuk for taking the time to reply.
You mentioned that unlocking the bootloader doesn't add anything for rooting but is it possible to install the SU zip using the stock recovery? I've read this guide and that guide for other HTC phones that seems to suggest that you can only do this by temporary flashing a custom recovery to install the SU zip. Is it not possible to install a zip using the stock recovery? I really want to do as little as possible and not touch the stock ROM or recovery if at all.
Also, I dont mind if the root is temp and is lost when restarting as I guess I would be able to install Titanium Backup and remove the factory apps I don't want (like FaceBook, Twitter,). Also, if I need to update the hosts file, once updated, if it is re locked by losing root after a restart then that's ok too.
Sorry if all these are too many questions, I'm not really a noob when it comes to rooting but for this little Gratia, there's not much info available and everything seems to be for the Aria which has a different baseband so very wary of flashing anything.
No, the stock recovery only accepts packages signed by HTC.
You can flash it back on after if you extract it from the RUU though. RUU downloads here if you don't already have one: http://www.androidruu.com/?developer=Liberty
Leave the phone unplugged (just in case) and run the RUU.. Once it appears, open task manager and go to processes/details (depending on what Windows you have), right click ARUWizard.exe, and click open file location (or something similar).
In that folder will be rom.zip (copy it out for later use if you want) - open it and inside will be recovery.img (and everything else that could ever be on the phone pretty much)
If you don't have access to a Windows PC, let me know which RUU matches your phone and I can extract it for you. If there isn't one exactly matching your phone, any of them will probably work - I don't think the recovery image differs much, if at all...
Thanks again Winsuk, much appreciated.
My current stock build is 47.54.35.20U_7.13.35.13 and the build is 2.37.405.10 so those RUU's you linked are very old. I've found a slightly newer Gratia Froyo RUU at 2.37.405.11 so that should work and it;s the WWE version rather than Asia WWE.
I'm thinking the best way to do this might be to unlock the bootloader and temporarily install a custom recovery to flash SU.zip. On reboot, the temporary custom recovery is lost but I think the root is also lost too. Seems that S-Off is the only way to achieve permanent root but even that doesn't seem to work cleanly. Revolutionary says that if Titanium doesn't recognise a rooted device then install Busy Box.
Might just leave it unrooted as is
My Lenovo P780 was a piece of cake to root compared to HTC.
Wanting to root Alcatel Fierce (model #5049z) and trying to discover whether boot loader is "locked". Read all the posts here concerning this phone and still don't know whether it can be rooted (yet). This is a fairly new phone and information for/about it is sparse. Anyone familiar with this phone and can offer up some vital stats/information or where I might obtain the information? This phone has "unlock boot loader" option, but not sure it works? HELP!!!!!! [Android 7.0]
THANX:
Rick
This does have a oem unlock option yet king root or kingo root doesnt work lol anyways I just picked one of these phones up today and looks like I will have to create my own root and hell mise well get a working twrp in order too. Back to the kitchen!
Just check whether bootloader is unlocked using fastboot.
Use rooting tools after unlocking.
Thats the plan, I planned on creating a way to root then once rooted I can make a full dump if all the partitions of the phone with fire flash then off to deodexing and debloating the system and placing SuperSU in the system so no more issues with root
I will like to know the working method as well i have turned on that option to unlock the bootloader but i have failed to google anything that actually works I have tried iroot, rootme, SRSRoot for Android and none of them was able to root the device
Anything yet?
Has anyone going out anything on this phone. Would like to be able to change a few settings on this phone. Thanks.