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I got it on Sunday. I have a GT 10.1 Wi-Fi that I'm using until I get a GT 10.1 3G that's back-ordered from the UK. Spec wise, other than the weight, the Jetstream seems perfect. HTC did a great job with the UI too.
But, like all HTC devices, video playback is screwed up and streaming video is something I use a lot on a tablet. Neither Plex nor PlayOn, the two biggest streaming apps, work on the Jetstream but work fine out of the box on the GT. It also doesn't natively play MKV files which I have about a terabyte of. There are work-arounds via the market for MKV support but for $700 HTC should have been more thorough in their video support and implementation. The dev group at Plex is looking at a logcat file to see what the screw up is but I don't have a lot of hope. There's actually no dedicated video player in the Jetstream. You have to open a video via the library to get it to play. Wierd. Other than the weight and lack of video support there's a lot to like about the Jetstream. But the video issue(s) are a deal breaker (at least for me). So, back it goes.
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I got it on Sunday. I have a GT 10.1 Wi-Fi that I'm using until I get a GT 10.1 3G that's back-ordered from the UK. Spec wise, other than the weight, the Jetstream seems perfect. HTC did a great job with the UI too.
But, like all HTC devices, video playback is screwed up and streaming video is something I use a lot on a tablet. Neither Plex nor PlayOn, the two biggest streaming apps, work on the Jetstream but work fine out of the box on the GT. It also doesn't natively play MKV files which I have about a terabyte of. There are work-arounds via the market for MKV support but for $700 HTC should have been more thorough in their video support and implementation. The dev group at Plex is looking at a logcat file to see what the screw up is but I don't have a lot of hope. There's actually no dedicated video player in the Jetstream. You have to open a video via the library to get it to play. Wierd. Other than the weight and lack of video support there's a lot to like about the Jetstream. But the video issue(s) are a deal breaker (at least for me). So, back it goes.
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I haven't tried any of those apps yet on mine, so I can't speak if I can get them to work or not, however I did manually install the Netflix apk as it wasn't available for the device in the market directly and it installed and worked perfectly. So as far as streaming video at least there is one working option so far.
- Dan
BarryH_GEG said:
I got it on Sunday. I have a GT 10.1 Wi-Fi that I'm using until I get a GT 10.1 3G that's back-ordered from the UK. Spec wise, other than the weight, the Jetstream seems perfect. HTC did a great job with the UI too.
But, like all HTC devices, video playback is screwed up and streaming video is something I use a lot on a tablet. Neither Plex nor PlayOn, the two biggest streaming apps, work on the Jetstream but work fine out of the box on the GT. It also doesn't natively play MKV files which I have about a terabyte of. There are work-arounds via the market for MKV support but for $700 HTC should have been more thorough in their video support and implementation. The dev group at Plex is looking at a logcat file to see what the screw up is but I don't have a lot of hope. There's actually no dedicated video player in the Jetstream. You have to open a video via the library to get it to play. Wierd. Other than the weight and lack of video support there's a lot to like about the Jetstream. But the video issue(s) are a deal breaker (at least for me). So, back it goes.
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yea plex doesn't work... i emailed them a log file......however, emit does work.
https://market.android.com/details?id=tv.wpn.biokoda.android.emitfree
B"H
Sorry to hear about the Jetstream.
Just out of curiosity, there are many websites here in the USA that have the Galaxy 10.1 3G in stock, like onthegosolutions.com
Not sure why you are waiting for the units from England? Is there a difference?
Thanks.
dovid said:
B"H
Sorry to hear about the Jetstream.
Just out of curiosity, there are many websites here in the USA that have the Galaxy 10.1 3G in stock, like onthegosolutions.com
Not sure why you are waiting for the units from England? Is there a difference?
Thanks.
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All the 3G units currently available in the U.S. are 16GB (I want 32GB or 64GB) and sourced from either Latin America or South Africa. The units from the UK have XEU firmware which pretty much covers all of Europe. It's updated much more frequently and comes with things left out in the U.S. like Reader's Hub. UK units also come with a two-year warranty. The new release date is 9/30.
For the purpose of this review, I am comparing the Jetstream, side by side, to the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Both in hand. I promise no iPad comparisons. I tried as best I could to represent both devices, however, please keep in mind that my findings are completely subjective.
Styling:
The Jetstream, without question, is thicker and heavier than the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Although thicker, the build quality on this device is solid. Where the GT10.1 is light and thin, and has a somewhat plastic feel, the Jetstream by comparison is very well built. It feels somewhat like the EVO View/Flyer, only in a 10” variety. Same styling and curves.
Screen:
This is the difficult part of the review. Both screens are very nice. In fact, I think probably the nicest Honeycomb screens available, besting both the EEE Pad Transformer and the Acer A500 in my opinion. The color representation on the Jetstream is “probably” more accurate, and definitely softer; however the contrast on the GT10.1 definitely provides an image that gives much more “pop” and color than the Jetstream. Maybe not as true of a color, but definitely more vibrant.
Processor/Connection Speed:
Although the Jetstream runs a dual core 1.5Ghz Snapdragon, in a purely subjective (side by side) comparison, I would still give the nod to the Dual core 1.0Ghz of the Tegra 2 on the GT10.1. Screen transitions seem quicker and where I noticed the speed difference most was in the Gallery application. When viewing the same pictures on both devices and swiping between images, it took the Jetstream a second to “redraw” each image. The image initially appears blurry until it draws on the screen completely. On the GT10.1, images appeared instantly in full resolution.
These devices are both 4G LTE devices on their respective carriers, however, not having AT&T LTE in Milwaukee, it was impossible to compare. I will say that downgrading to the HSPA+ on the Jetstream provides a pretty continuous 3.5+ Mbps down in the Milwaukee area, which for most applications, is plenty fast. Still a far cry from the 20Mbps down when running LTE on Verizons Galaxy Tab, however.
Games run smooth on both devices; however, because Tegra apps will not run on the Snapdragon, the Jetstream will not run the handful of games currently available in the Tegra Zone on the GT10.1.
Sense vs. Samsung UI:
This section is purely subjective to the user, however, for me was one of the areas where the Jetstream outshined the GT10.1. The Sense UI implementation on the Jetstream is fantastic. You are still crippled by the restriction of only 5 home screens; however, they can now be reorganized within Sense.
The pure number of Sense Widgets available is enormous. All of the Sense widgets we are used to are present here as well. Clocks, Calendars, Friend stream, Twitter, Weather, stocks, bookmarks, people, mail, etc. are all available for use. Similar to Sense 3.0 on phones, you can also configure 4 applications as quick launch items on the home screen as well as have the current weather always available when unlocking the device (with or without sound).
You can also download other widgets, backgrounds, Scenes, and skins through the HTC club. Sense overall provides quite a bit of customization. Very Very nice.
Browser:
The Jetstream uses a skinned version of the standard Honeycomb browser. Although similar, in my opinion, I like the looks of the Jetstream browser better than the standard implementation found on the Galaxy Tab. One omission on the Jetstream browser that Google+ users will notice is that unlike the GT10.1 honeycomb browser, you cannot view your Google+ stream natively within the browser. I was notified that if I wanted to do this, I would need to download Chrome. Google+ streams can still be viewed from within the Google+ application.
Market:
Netflix is available without side loading on the Jetstream. That aside, the movies tab normally found on the market, as well as the Google videos application are not currently available on the Jetstream. This may be due to the Jetstream running only Honeycomb 3.1, or may also be affected by both the HTC Watch and AT&T Movies applications being installed on the device. The “Movies” application pre-installed on the device is different in that it provides a “rental subscription” type of service where you purchase a specified amount of credits per month to use on movie rentals. For comparison sake, the GT10.1 does include both the Samsung Media Hub as well as the Google Videos application. Verizon also includes a $25 voucher to try the service out.
Memory configuration
Each device comes with 32G built in storage. Unlike the GT10.1, however, the Jetstream can be expanded VIA Micro SD to provide up to an extra 32GB of storage. The Jetstream also splits the memory in half and provides 16G for applications and 16G as storage. I personally like the storage setup on the GT10.1 better, allowing the entire 32GB to be used as a whole as you wish.
Video & Audio:
Although I am not a big fan of cameras on tablet devices, I have to give a nod to the full 1080P video recording capabilities of the Jetstream. Videos look clean and clear without any loss in quality or jaggies. As with other mobile devices, sound recording is limited to the included microphone, although both devices do an admirable job of pulling audio.
Both devices have great speakers, however, when you plug in a nice pair of headphones, HTC once again adds the SRS audio enhancements to the Jetstream that really makes the audio a cut above the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Value:
The Jetstream sells through AT&T for $849 off contract and $699 on a 2 year contract with a minimum $35/month data plan for 3 gigabytes of data. Your allotment of data cannot be used as a Wi-Fi hotspot for other devices through the Jetstream. Although you save $150 on a 2 year contract, the early termination fee is $325, decreasing by $10 a month. The subsidy of only $150 seems a little extreme to justify a $325 ETF.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 sells through Verizon for $729 off contract and $599 on a 2 year contract. Data plans start at $30 for 2 gigabytes of data, $50 for 5, and $80 for 10. The difference with Verizon is that you can use your included data allowance to use the tablet as a Wi-Fi hotpot device for other devices.
If prices for the hardware were the same at $729 off contract, $599 on contract, I would give the nod to the Jetstream. Although a bit thicker and heavier, I really enjoyed having the Sense UI on the tablet. Even with Verizons 4G LTE service having a much larger installed area, for most applications, AT&Ts HSPA+ service will suffice until their LTE service arrives.
Let me know if you have any questions between the 2. I still have 12 days left before I have to decide which one to part with.
Thanks for the quick comparison!
Hi,
using Dice Player with hardware decoding mode ( or another videoplayer hardware accelerated), can you test theese files:
http://mediafire.com/?ge1nwgd5003s3ak ( .mp4 1080p high profile)
http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/h264_1080p_hp_4.1_10mbps_dts_unstyled_subs_monsters.mkv
( .mkv 1080p high profile 4.1)
http://www.auby.no/files/video_test..._vorbis_styled_and_unstyled_subs_suzumiya.mkv
???
using the browser (not youtube application , please) can you test this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2YWRJ-ppo
at 1080p resolution , please.
Thank you
Having used a Galaxy Tab 10.1, I agree on some points, and disagree on others. Obviously every user has different thoughts on Hardware and Software.
I have used the following tablets prior to using the Jetstream:
1. iPad
2. iPad 2
3. Xoom
4. Galaxy Tab 7"
5. Galaxy Tab 10.1
6. Thrive
7. Playbook
8. HTC Flyer
9. Sprint View 4G
10. Touch Pad
Styling: I really beleive the Jetstream feels better than any Tablet I have tried/used. It's not as thin or light as the GT 10.1, but I like the way it feels while holding it. I have to disagree that is does not feel like the View, but the curves and style is somewhat the same. The Jetsream is very well built, and I would argue it's as well built as any of the tablets I have used.
Screen: I couldn't really tell you which screen is better. It's very bright and clear.
Processor/Connection: Since Sunday I have been nothing but impressed with the Jetstream's speed and quickness. The WiFi speed is fast, the Mobile Network speed (Non-4G) is really fast. I actually had a guy tell me yesterday "wow, this thing is so fast". I also I am impressed with the overall speed of the unit. I find the unit to be zippy in the menu's and screens, and do not notice re-draw lags. I find the device quicker than any I have tried. Could be a perception, as I don't have them side by side to test.
Sense: Sense is so well done for the tablet. It was nice on the Flyer, now it's amazing on the Jetstream. Really, really cool. The sense experience is refreshing.
Overall I always felt like the Honeycomb tablets were missing something. Now with Sense, Honeycomb just feels right.
While it's a pricey tablet, it does everything I need it to do. Having 3G/4g on the go is really nice. I get 2gb a month for $25.00. If I go over it's $10 per GB over. So the pricing is the same as the iPad.
codeworks said:
For the purpose of this review, I am comparing the Jetstream, side by side, to the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Both in hand. I promise no iPad comparisons. I tried as best I could to represent both devices, however, please keep in mind that my findings are completely subjective.
Styling:
The Jetstream, without question, is thicker and heavier than the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Although thicker, the build quality on this device is solid. Where the GT10.1 is light and thin, and has a somewhat plastic feel, the Jetstream by comparison is very well built. It feels somewhat like the EVO View/Flyer, only in a 10” variety. Same styling and curves.
Screen:
This is the difficult part of the review. Both screens are very nice. In fact, I think probably the nicest Honeycomb screens available, besting both the EEE Pad Transformer and the Acer A500 in my opinion. The color representation on the Jetstream is “probably” more accurate, and definitely softer; however the contrast on the GT10.1 definitely provides an image that gives much more “pop” and color than the Jetstream. Maybe not as true of a color, but definitely more vibrant.
Processor/Connection Speed:
Although the Jetstream runs a dual core 1.5Ghz Snapdragon, in a purely subjective (side by side) comparison, I would still give the nod to the Dual core 1.0Ghz of the Tegra 2 on the GT10.1. Screen transitions seem quicker and where I noticed the speed difference most was in the Gallery application. When viewing the same pictures on both devices and swiping between images, it took the Jetstream a second to “redraw” each image. The image initially appears blurry until it draws on the screen completely. On the GT10.1, images appeared instantly in full resolution.
These devices are both 4G LTE devices on their respective carriers, however, not having AT&T LTE in Milwaukee, it was impossible to compare. I will say that downgrading to the HSPA+ on the Jetstream provides a pretty continuous 3.5+ Mbps down in the Milwaukee area, which for most applications, is plenty fast. Still a far cry from the 20Mbps down when running LTE on Verizons Galaxy Tab, however.
Games run smooth on both devices; however, because Tegra apps will not run on the Snapdragon, the Jetstream will not run the handful of games currently available in the Tegra Zone on the GT10.1.
Sense vs. Samsung UI:
This section is purely subjective to the user, however, for me was one of the areas where the Jetstream outshined the GT10.1. The Sense UI implementation on the Jetstream is fantastic. You are still crippled by the restriction of only 5 home screens; however, they can now be reorganized within Sense.
The pure number of Sense Widgets available is enormous. All of the Sense widgets we are used to are present here as well. Clocks, Calendars, Friend stream, Twitter, Weather, stocks, bookmarks, people, mail, etc. are all available for use. Similar to Sense 3.0 on phones, you can also configure 4 applications as quick launch items on the home screen as well as have the current weather always available when unlocking the device (with or without sound).
You can also download other widgets, backgrounds, Scenes, and skins through the HTC club. Sense overall provides quite a bit of customization. Very Very nice.
Browser:
The Jetstream uses a skinned version of the standard Honeycomb browser. Although similar, in my opinion, I like the looks of the Jetstream browser better than the standard implementation found on the Galaxy Tab. One omission on the Jetstream browser that Google+ users will notice is that unlike the GT10.1 honeycomb browser, you cannot view your Google+ stream natively within the browser. I was notified that if I wanted to do this, I would need to download Chrome. Google+ streams can still be viewed from within the Google+ application.
Market:
Netflix is available without side loading on the Jetstream. That aside, the movies tab normally found on the market, as well as the Google videos application are not currently available on the Jetstream. This may be due to the Jetstream running only Honeycomb 3.1, or may also be affected by both the HTC Watch and AT&T Movies applications being installed on the device. The “Movies” application pre-installed on the device is different in that it provides a “rental subscription” type of service where you purchase a specified amount of credits per month to use on movie rentals. For comparison sake, the GT10.1 does include both the Samsung Media Hub as well as the Google Videos application. Verizon also includes a $25 voucher to try the service out.
Memory configuration
Each device comes with 32G built in storage. Unlike the GT10.1, however, the Jetstream can be expanded VIA Micro SD to provide up to an extra 32GB of storage. The Jetstream also splits the memory in half and provides 16G for applications and 16G as storage. I personally like the storage setup on the GT10.1 better, allowing the entire 32GB to be used as a whole as you wish.
Video & Audio:
Although I am not a big fan of cameras on tablet devices, I have to give a nod to the full 1080P video recording capabilities of the Jetstream. Videos look clean and clear without any loss in quality or jaggies. As with other mobile devices, sound recording is limited to the included microphone, although both devices do an admirable job of pulling audio.
Both devices have great speakers, however, when you plug in a nice pair of headphones, HTC once again adds the SRS audio enhancements to the Jetstream that really makes the audio a cut above the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Value:
The Jetstream sells through AT&T for $849 off contract and $699 on a 2 year contract with a minimum $35/month data plan for 3 gigabytes of data. Your allotment of data cannot be used as a Wi-Fi hotspot for other devices through the Jetstream. Although you save $150 on a 2 year contract, the early termination fee is $325, decreasing by $10 a month. The subsidy of only $150 seems a little extreme to justify a $325 ETF.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 sells through Verizon for $729 off contract and $599 on a 2 year contract. Data plans start at $30 for 2 gigabytes of data, $50 for 5, and $80 for 10. The difference with Verizon is that you can use your included data allowance to use the tablet as a Wi-Fi hotpot device for other devices.
If prices for the hardware were the same at $729 off contract, $599 on contract, I would give the nod to the Jetstream. Although a bit thicker and heavier, I really enjoyed having the Sense UI on the tablet. Even with Verizons 4G LTE service having a much larger installed area, for most applications, AT&Ts HSPA+ service will suffice until their LTE service arrives.
Let me know if you have any questions between the 2. I still have 12 days left before I have to decide which one to part with.
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I too have used (purchased-returned-or sold) several tablets. I figure if I'm going to drop $400-$900 on a tablet...it needs to be everything to the user-me!
So with that being said, I have been VERY pleased with the JS so far. Pleasantly surprised is more like it. I liked the Flyer, but I agree Sense wasn't all it could be...and on the JS IT'S ALL THERE!
I really did enjoy the G-tabs 10.1 (both WiFi and VZW 4g LTE). Besides the obvious weight between the Gtab 10.1 and JS, both are solid against each other.
I am not in an area with AT&T's LTE network (Central Indiana- USA)...let alone good AT&T service at all really. I splurged for the no-contract buy. Yes, it did sting a bit on the price! BUT- I spent almost the exact same on the VZW no contract buy for Gtab 10.1...and the Xoom was the same price point too when it first came out. Granted, the Xoom def didn't live up to the hype Moto created.
I'm rambling, sorry. Very nice write up and comparisons...I do agree on most. I think a lot people really got stuck on the price point before ever digging into the quality that was put into this one. I really like this one a lot....finally!!!
Just my 2 cents worth! Look forward to chatting more with other JS owners.
Thanks,
C-J
Plus:
-UI is sleek, polished, and contemporary
-Great stock browser
-App, scrolling, and transition speed
-Customization and great assortment of widgets
-Social/e-mail integration
-Build quality
-Micro SD
-Stylus support
Cons:
-Bad for video (stutters, stalls, limited codec support)
-Funky non-Android compliant video implementation limits third-party options (Dice FC's, Plex and PlayOn don't work period)
-It weighs a ton, especially going back and forth to the GT 10.1
-Limited distribution = no accessories, no app developers attention
-Bad placement for the volume rocker
If you can get past the weight, price, and aren't a heavy video user, it's a solid choice. I could live with the weight, the price didn't bother me but the crappy video implementation and potential lack of accessories and app support sent me back to the GT. The latter is a big deal because it appears HTC did a lot of proprietary stuff to the OS that affects a bunch of third party apps that don’t have problems on other tablets.
Looking at what's currently available, the JS is the only tablet that is different than the pack. Sony's using the same technology that's been out for almost a year as are Toshiba, Lenovo, Acer, and Asus. I'll stick with the GT until something revolutionary (vs. evolutionary) comes out hardware or software (ICS) wise; hopefully before the holidays. I’m waiting for a 32GB GT 10.1 3G from the UK but the release just got pushed back from early September to early October. HSPA+ is the only thing missing for me on the GT and unlimited fake-4G data and MMS ends up being $25 a month for an international device.
B"H
Pretty sure the Samsung Tab 10.1 3G units ARE NOT LTE capable. Other than that, loved the review.
Thank you,
Dovid
Dovid, in the US, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is available in WiFi as a only model and a 4G LTE Verizon model (that has WiFi too and fallback to Verizon 3G EV-DO Rev. A).
On another topic started by BarryH, I found out of the box MPEG4 video playback to be very good, in fact better than my other Honeycomb tablets. It handles 1080P high profile, and that's not too common with Tegra 2 tablets. I'm not talking about 3rd party apps like PlayOn, and I wonder if those are having problems right now because they don't yet support the dual core Snapdragon Scorpion + Adreno 220 used in the Jetstream.
dovid said:
B"H
Pretty sure the Samsung Tab 10.1 3G units ARE NOT LTE capable. Other than that, loved the review.
Thank you,
Dovid
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The international version's are HSPA+ capable to 21MBs so they support AT&T's fake-4G network (as opposed to LTE). The 16GB is out now but I'm waiting for the 32GB which is due out the beginning of October. Since AT&T doesn't have the IMEI in their database it can be used with the data for non-Smartphones plan which is $10 for unlimited data and messaging. I'm using it on my SGS2. I figure in nine months to a year when LTE's widely deployed I'll end up getting one of the newer more advanced tablets that will be out by then.
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On another topic started by BarryH, I found out of the box MPEG4 video playback to be very good, in fact better than my other Honeycomb tablets. It handles 1080P high profile, and that's not too common with Tegra 2 tablets. I'm not talking about 3rd party apps like PlayOn, and I wonder if those are having problems right now because they don't yet support the dual core Snapdragon Scorpion + Adreno 220 used in the Jetstream.
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If my choice is re-encoding 2TB of video files from MKV to MP4 or sticking with the G-Tab that has no problem playing them natively, I'll take the latter.
The issue with not supporting online video streaming is HTC's non-standard implementation of its video player. It effects the Flyer and Sensation as well. For those looking, Orb Live works for video but not audio. It's still in beta so the latter might be fixed when its released. Plex is a much more elegant solution so I decided to stick with it and the G-Tab.
Also, the G-Tab supports MTP so you can download and store subscription tracks from Rhapsody and play them offline using the stock media player. That's a great feature when you're traveling.
B"H
Hey PDA Gal - I know you!
Anyways - a bit confusing when you say "in the US, such and such is available ...", because everything is available here in the US. At onthegosolutions, we have been providing the Sim-Free Samsung Tab 10.1 AT&T HSDPA 4G units for months already, like Barry mentioned.
Without trying to start anything disrespectful, but just a note that "Verizon" & "Best-Buy" are not the entire USA - just two stores in the US. Tons more places to get devices than those outlets!
Thanks,
Dovid
OK, I'm speaking of non-import products when I say "in the US". Certainly all manner of products are available through your site and others that aren't offered by US carriers or retailers who only carry US SKUs.
Hey forum,
Need your help, I'm looking at either purchasing the Jetstream or the Galaxy Tab with Rogers. I've scoured the net with reviews and comparisons with no definitive answer.
From your experience which is the better tablet and what would you recommend.
Please note that the price is not an issue here.
Thanks
izzkid said:
Hey forum,
Need your help, I'm looking at either purchasing the Jetstream or the Galaxy Tab with Rogers. I've scoured the net with reviews and comparisons with no definitive answer.
From your experience which is the better tablet and what would you recommend.
Please note that the price is not an issue here.
Thanks
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I just picked up the JS yesterday, and so far it is a very good tablet. I also have the SGT 10.1 and though very nice I do see that the JS is more responsive than my SGT 10.1.
Reason I purchased the JS is because of the stylus. I use this daily on my Flyer. The Note app that syncs with EverNote is the best thing I have used. I also installed Quill great app for note taking and works excellent on the JS.
The screen is much better on the SGT 10.1 as the ppi is much lower on the JS which you can see lines in the display. Not a big deal for me but some might not like it.
I have 14 days to return the JS so will be testing out things I use the tablet for. So far its a keeper and will sell my SGT 10.1 if I keep the JS. Also looking to find out if HTC plans on releasing ICS 4.0 for the JS. If not, then I will return it and wait.
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I was wondering if the new Galaxy Player 70 Plus (YP-GB70D) is worth getting from all people that own in.
I've been thinking about getting a PMP/MP3 player of late & read about the new GP70 (YP-GB70D) that was recently released. I was wondering if the older version (YP-GB70) its worth getting? I do currently have an AT&T Galaxy Note & prefer not to use it as a media player even though I could.
I was wondering if it's worth getting since I can get it for $330ish from http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...-70-yp-gb70-galaxy-s-wifi-50-32go-blanc-.html
RMXO said:
I was wondering if the new Galaxy Player 70 Plus (YP-GB70) is worth getting from all people that own in.
I've been thinking about getting a PMP/MP3 player of late & read about the new GP70 (YP-GB70) that was released. I was wondering if its worth getting? I considered the 5.0 but didn't like it cause of the 8GB since the new one has a 32GB version. I know I can add a microSD card on both but I prefer as much as possible for the internal memory.
I do currently have an AT&T Galaxy Note & prefer not to use it as a media player even though I could.
I was wondering if it's worth getting since I can get it for $330ish from http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...-70-yp-gb70-galaxy-s-wifi-50-32go-blanc-.html
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For some reason... this looks like it could potentially be a scam. A new one was announced, but I would NOT trust that retailer from a first glance. I mean look at it, they say on that site that it has a 3mp front cam? Doubt it.
ZaIINN said:
For some reason... this looks like it could potentially be a scam. A new one was announced, but I would NOT trust that retailer from a first glance. I mean look at it, they say on that site that it has a 3mp front cam? Doubt it.
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I have bought numerous items from them in the past so they are legit. I wonder if its a misprint on the camera. thanks for making me research further on it.
EDIT: after further research this isn't the new one I was after.
EDIT2: Found the correct version Yp-GB70D
http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...s-yp-gb70d-multimedia-player-32gb-white-.html
So no one with the Galaxy 5 wifi YP-G70 can tell me if they are worth it or not? if they are then I plan to get the new released Korean version.
If you care about Android development and want more of a variety of roms to choose from then I'd choose the Galaxy S I9000. If you don't mind the fact that the Galaxy Player doesn't come with SAMOLED screen and a lot activity in the development section, then go for it.
Sent from my YP-G70 using XDA
RMXO said:
So no one with the Galaxy 5 wifi YP-G70 can tell me if they are worth it or not? if they are then I plan to get the new released Korean version.
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The international version isn't that much different from the US version. Plus can you really justify paying that much for an outdated MP3 player when you can just purchase a dual core device with better development for less in the market?
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i n f a m o u s said:
The international version isn't that much different from the US version. Plus can you really justify paying that much for an outdated MP3 player when you can just purchase a dual core device with better development for less in the market?
Sent from my YP-G70 using XDA
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Yah, if I'm going to spend that much then it will be for the newly dual core version (YP-GB70D). Actually, I just put in an order for the newly Korean released YP-70D, but started to get buyers remorse after seeing the final price with 2-3 international shipping.
Hopefully someone will start dev'n for the YP-70D in the future.
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CONS:
The 5MP camera on GB70D totally sucks, because it's omap chip. Compared to 70GB Korean model (which has 5MP camera too) the colours are washed out, the focus is not sharp and the video is a joke. You can't set saturation, brightness etc. The video app can't pause now.
With current firmware (as of April 2012) it can not play most of the 720p videos smoothly (quite a joke for a media player).
The battery seems to be drained faster then original model.
There's not included offline 3d navigation iNavi, as was the case with previous model.
The display is not as bright as before and the colours are not correct (yellow hue).
The display still lags, in some HD videos it's quite bad.
In direct sun the display is still dark.
It has the same videochip as before, PoverVR SGX540. Some games run better, but many of them look the same or don't run at all. It definitely is not a device for 3D HD games.
Wakeup is remarkably slower now (sometimes 3 seconds).
The default sound app still sucks.
It's made in China, the previous model was made in Korea.
As for the white design, I like the original black/white design more.
PROS:
The dualcore does it's job, especially if you run torrents or other downloads in background and browse the web in foreground. It's fast.
1GB of memory is a significant upgrade.
The UI and fonts seem to be a bit smoother.
Conclusion:
It's faster. Soon there would be custom ROMs and upgrades as there are for the previous model, so many things will be fixed. But the camera sucks and the videochip is the same. So something is wrong, this was supposed to be a multimedia device.
Note: I could compare three models, all Korean versions.
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CONS:
The 5MP camera on GB70D totally sucks, because it's omap chip. Compared to 70GB Korean model (which has 5MP camera too) the colours are washed out, the focus is not sharp and the video is a joke. You can't set saturation, brightness etc. The video app can't pause now.
With current firmware (as of April 2012) it can not play most of the 720p videos smoothly (quite a joke for a media player).
The battery seems to be drained faster then original model.
There's not included offline 3d navigation iNavi, as was the case with previous model.
The display is not as bright as before and the colours are not correct (yellow hue).
The display still lags, in some HD videos it's quite bad.
In direct sun the display is still dark.
It has the same videochip as before, PoverVR SGX540. Some games run better, but many of them look the same or don't run at all. It definitely is not a device for 3D HD games.
Wakeup is remarkably slower now (sometimes 3 seconds).
The default sound app still sucks.
It's made in China, the previous model was made in Korea.
As for the white design, I like the original black/white design more.
PROS:
The dualcore does it's job, especially if you run torrents or other downloads in background and browse the web in foreground. It's fast.
1GB of memory is a significant upgrade.
The UI and fonts seem to be a bit smoother.
Conclusion:
It's faster. Soon there would be custom ROMs and upgrades as there are for the previous model, so many things will be fixed. But the camera sucks and the videochip is the same. So something is wrong, this was supposed to be a multimedia device.
Note: I could compare three models, all Korean versions.
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Would you buy this model again or another if you had the chance to do it over again? If another, which device.
Could you compare the 5.0 series with the YP-GB70D? Just curious on your opinion of them.
I would not buy it. Omap cameras suck, that's what cheap LG devices use. Also the omap dualcore in GB70D isn't the same as exynos or tegra. As for 5.0 series, it's the same as Korean GB70, except Korean GB70 has 5MP camera (good one!) and DBM TV.
I would buy Galaxy Note instead, even if you don't need a phone. I think Samsung now goes the way Apple did before Steve Jobs returned. Too many products, in the end none of them done properly. Just look how many Galaxy Tabs are there now. It's a joke.
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I would not buy it. Omap cameras suck, that's what cheap LG devices use. Also the omap dualcore in GB70D isn't the same as exynos or tegra. As for 5.0 series, it's the same as Korean GB70, except Korean GB70 has 5MP camera (good one!) and DBM TV.
I would buy Galaxy Note instead, even if you don't need a phone. I think Samsung now goes the way Apple did before Steve Jobs returned. Too many products, in the end none of them done properly. Just look how many Galaxy Tabs are there now. It's a joke.
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If you're talking about an Int Galaxy Note, I had one & sold it. I'm currently using an AT&T Galaxy Note. I seriously thought the new version of the SGP would be awesome with dual core, hence my reason in wanting one.
Since I was able to cancel my YP-GB70D 32GB order, I'm either going to find a cheap alternative or just buy more batteries for my I717. I would save a ton if I went with more batteries route.
Hmmm this is interesting... I haven't had any of these issues with my YP-GB70D. I don't use the camera on it however. I've only used the front facing camera with Skype and haven't had any complaints from the other end.
I just got a used GP70+ (YP-GB70D). I am quite disappointed with it - the major problem is the Adobe Flash performance of videos played in the web browser.
The GP70+ has flash 10.3 installed. Since Flash player is no longer available in Google Play, I use backup copies from my other phones and tablets and .apks from apktop. Flash 11 does NOT work - either causes force closes, or start playing and freezes. I installed the last version of Flash 10 before 11 (10.3.186.7), and it can only play up to 480p video - NO HD Flash, that completely freezes.
This is really unacceptable for a dual core OMAP4430 device. My GP5.0 and the Galaxy S phone has a single core Hummingbird CPU. It has Flash 11.1 and can play up to 720p Flash video in the browser.
The device also feels a little sluggish for a dual core tablet, even when using GO Launcher. It has a 800 x 480 screen, which is lower resolution than eg. Kindle Fire (which also has OMAP4430), the GPU drives fewer pixels and everything should be faster.
The screen is also not as bright and crisp as the GP5.0, not to mention the AMOLED screen of the Galaxy S or S2.
One big plus is that 1080p STORED videos (MP4, DIVX) play flawlessly with MX player - MX player shows that hardware decoding is enabled. HW acceleration is NOT supported in the single core GP5.0, and it can only play up to 720p (some not all, depending on bitrate).
P.S. By the way, if any GP70+ owners want a copy of the rooted firmware of this player (GB70KRLD2), please post your request here or PM me (I don't want the upload link to be killed quickly). I searched high and low and finally found it in a Chinese forum (Google Translate saves the day!). Thank goodness it was still good for download.
mobile flash is dead..in one year it will be frogoten..all web is swithing to html 5 videos.And it should be frogoten becuse it is so poorly coded.
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DZonikg said:
mobile flash is dead..in one year it will be frogoten..all web is swithing to html 5 videos.And it should be frogoten becuse it is so poorly coded.
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Well I just hope that it is not the Android story all over again - rushed to get implemented, years to improve.
When the Q was first leaked during I/O, I remember thinking immediately that it looked awesome and that I would buy it, as long as it was around $150. Bear in mind this was before it was even apparent of what it actually did, there was just a leaked product image and the notion that it was a Nexus Device. I was dissapointed with the price at first, but can see that Google blew their budget on the design of the Q itself (just read the "Finish" description in the Play Store listing, it makes the device sound AWESOME). I have a couple of questions about the Google's decisions though and some insights on some early common questions I had as well.
First and foremost, my immediate response to the unveiling was the question "Why does it not run Google TV?". This took relatively little time to figure out though. Only days before they announced the new Sony Google TV at $200 and the even more affordable Vizio CoStar at $99. At $300, it was clear that this was not going to compete against them, cool design or not. They also were going for a different direction with this and I also believe they're putting Google TV on the back burner for now as their primary entry point into the living room. This device is obviously more reminiscent of the [email protected] showing that Google had at I/O last year, and is even strikingly similar to the Tungsten Speaker they had demoed last year, down to the LED lights, NFC pairing, and instant streaming from Google Music/What would become Play rather that streaming from the device itself. Also, the amount of testing that this device has been going through if you have been following Google Reports closely which desciribe a Bluetooth Internet connected device that was being tested in private through employees at home; you can tell that they are aiming for bigger things than Google TV with this. Personally, I'm glad as I never understood Google TV; I don't watch a lot of cable and an Android device mirrored on a TV would be more beneficial to me, as I only really want Chrome and Apps.
The second question I had came after I learned about the streamer from News sources, as I can't recall it was in the unveiling. The Nexus Q runs ICS, not Jelly Bean like the other Nexus devices. This puzzled me at first but makes sense when you understand that 4.1 really only brings graphical changes and graphical performance enhancements (seeroject Butter). The advantages of 4.1 would only come in once the Q gets a GUI, but I suppose that the gap less playback support would be useful as well. Either way, I also believe Google will update this device to 4.1 eventually for compatiblility as it is a Nexus after all.
Next, the hardware. I don't really understand why it is essentially the Galaxy Nexus under the hood rather than the Nexus 7. I guess cost would probably be the answer but isn't the Nvidia Kai platform the answer to that question? If they released it with Tegra 3, it would essentially be the Ouya "Elite" (a parallel to the Xbox 360 Elite, down to the black finish and premium features like 25w AMP). In some ways, this could be what Google had in mind when they packed it with 16GB of storage. My speculation is that the reason for this particular hardware is that it's cheaper for them to produce, as the Galaxy Nexus has been in production for so long now. The internal storage is probably because of this too.
The largest question is what Google wants this product to do exactly. Android Police had some interesting ideas that this could become your central [email protected] hub of sorts, and sync with all your other Android powered fixtures in the future (like the bulbs last year at I/O or an Android powered Nest like thermostat). The fact that it communicates directly with Google Play and doesn't rely on streaming also supports this idea, as it means that it is independent and can become the center of your future Android powered home. The superfluous ports and private testing, along with the advertised hackabity makes it seem like they are hoping for a Kinect like response from the Dev community, in which people will find out how to use it in interesting and unique ways. They most likely want to see what UI and applictions others come up with before revealing their own.
Lastly and this is something I've thought only recently is about the off-market price. The device isn't even released yet people are selling the I/O model on eBay for $229. This just speaks to the demand for this product I guess, but it means serious Devs who see potential in this device can pick it up for a relative bargain if they so desire.
So, what are your thoughts?
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Well, that didn't take long. It looks to have the same 1.7GHz SoC and display and in Samsung's naming convention "P" equals "standard" tablet and "N" equals a Note device. So it appears to be a high-end 10.1" tablet with similar specs to the N10. "00" in the model number indicates 3G and "10" is used for Wi-Fi so it's also 3G capable meaning it'll (likely) be launched internationally first. Samsung's model number for the existing N10 is P8110 so if it were to be offered in a 3G version it would become a P8100. Also, storage doesn't affect Samsung's model numbers so if it was a higher-capacity N10 it wouldn't be given a new model number. Since the P8200 is a high-end device by its specs it'll most likely offer Samsung's pretty much standard features like a SD card slot, IR port, and multiview. It'll probably use Samsung's propriatary charging port so it can share existing Samsung accessories and lose USB and HDMI in the process which Samsung hasn't (yet) included in any of their own tablets. I guess we'll know for sure next month at MWC.
The 7" and 10" G-Tab 3's which have already been leaked have also shown up in testing with entry-level displays of 1,024 x 600 and 1,280 x 800 respectively so they are definitely still being targeted at the low-end of the market.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/30/three-mystery-samsung-galaxy-tab-profiles-spotted/
Nope.. No way. No how.. Nope.. Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware. That thing will get one update only after a year of vague speculative `leaked' memos from Samsung about an update and pure silence on the official Samsung front. Then the update will roll out by the time Google releases that versions replacement.. Then another 8 months of "Will Samsung ever update this tab?" speculation and leaked internal memos... Then out of no where Samsung will release its replacement at the same time dropping upgrade support for it.
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Nope.. No way. No how.. Nope.. Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware. That thing will get one update only after a year of vague speculative `leaked' memos from Samsung about an update and pure silence on the official Samsung front. Then the update will roll out by the time Google releases that versions replacement.. Then another 8 months of "Will Samsung ever update this tab?" speculation and leaked internal memos... Then out of no where Samsung will release its replacement at the same time dropping upgrade support for it.
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This pretty much
Would you rather have that, or... guaranteed updates from Google (the developers of Android itself) and the best device for AOSP? Only people I see getting such a device (if it actually releases that is) are fans of Samsung, but then again even that doesn't make sense, since the Nexus 10 is Samsung... hmm. Maybe fans of Touchwiz might buy it, but still... Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
It was a given that N10's display would show up in Sammy's other GT toys, since it's the best display Sammy has available. The Note line is Sammy's high-end, and the plain GTs are value models. A dual-core N10-alike would then be a value model, with the Note counterpart getting the newer Oxy 4x4.
I'm guessing the N10-alike will show up at same pricing as N10. One likely perk is that it'll probably have a SD slot.
More interesting to me is the reversion back to 1024x600 as the baseline res, as evidenced by both Asus & Acer's low-end 7" models, and now Samsung. One would surmise that $150 is new entry price for this year, with 1280x800 7" at $200. Likewise, the 1280x800 res apparently will also populate value 10" models (at probably $250).
Good to see vendors paying more attention to the low-end, as iPad Mini at $329 leaves a big gap, and iOS popularity is starting to show signs of plateauing.
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This pretty much
Would you rather have that, or... guaranteed updates from Google (the developers of Android itself) and the best device for AOSP? Only people I see getting such a device (if it actually releases that is) are fans of Samsung, but then again even that doesn't make sense, since the Nexus 10 is Samsung... hmm. Maybe fans of Touchwiz might buy it, but still... Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
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I would be inclined to agree with you, but judging from the Note vs N10 thread apparently so!
Also, forgot to mention: Nice info OP.
>Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
Yes, distribution & promotion will be better, and more people will know more about it. From the various ad-based analytics thus far, N7 is still behind both KFs and Samsung GTs. N10 would be far behind N7. That, and no SD slot.
Seriously, stop being so parochial with the "my toy is best" attitude. The N10, along with every other toy, is already old, and getting older by the day. In Internet time, it's already past middle-age. You're just feeling your mid-life crisis.
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Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware.
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You're pretty much quoting history, not the present. They've really been focusing on getting their devices updated more frequently. All their late-model tablets and smartphones are on JB; even the SGS2. Any device with an overlay is going to lag behind an AOSP device but in return you get a ton of usability features. Android 2>3>4 were major leaps. 4>5>6 will be less so simply because Android's matured to the point shocking changes to the UI do more harm than good from a usability perspective. This is especially true now that the N4/7/10 are being positioned as mainstream consumer products vs. a developer's platform. And Samsung's JB wireless stacks aren't borked like they are in AOSP. I'm sure the N10-alike as e.mote called it will have all of Samsung's features like multiview, h/w accelerated Android-based stock browser, AllShare Cast and Play, Peel IR remote, and a color calibrated display. And people (maybe not XDA) like those things as the G-Tab 2's outsell the more powerful N7. AOSP doesn't sell because people like devices that "do stuff" (relying on "Play" doesn't count) as the following chart shows. And since the N10-alike will be sold direct via Samsung's distribution system their margin will be better even if it's the same price as the N10. Hopefully that will allow them to address the QC issues; especially with the display.
Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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>Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
Yes, distribution & promotion will be better, and more people will know more about it. From the various ad-based analytics thus far, N7 is still behind both KFs and Samsung GTs. N10 would be far behind N7. That, and no SD slot.
Seriously, stop being so parochial with the "my toy is best" attitude. The N10, along with every other toy, is already old, and getting older by the day. In Internet time, it's already past middle-age. You're just feeling your mid-life crisis.
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I suppose you do make a good point, but I was mostly asking that question to people who might be in the position of either buying a Nexus 10, or the P8200 (the person knows of both devices). If the person does know of both devices very well, then what actual reasons would there be?
The SD card is a pretty controversial part on devices. To most people, they hear "no SD card" and automatically think that device must fail beyond belief. If (and only if) that person actually heavily relies on the SD card for their portable devices, then this is understandable imo.
My mom has a Galaxy Prevail, some VisualLand tablet, and a Galaxy Tab 2. They all have microSD card slots. She however, doesn't use the slots period nor has any use to (there's enough internal storage available, and for everything else, there's streaming). So my mom switching to a device with no SD card slot wouldn't be a big deal at all.
I'm in the same situation as well for the most part, but there was one time where I wished I had gotten the 32GB N10, since installing a bunch of games took up a good amount of space. But then I realized... the games I had installed I wasn't really going to play anyway :shrug: so I got rid of them.
But, in any case, the only thing I see so far that the P8200 has as an advantage over a Nexus 10 is just the microSD card slot. From a general consumers point of view, the P8200 would seem pretty good because of the slot, and Samsung's "intuitive" (or whatever buzzwords used to describe it) Touchwiz interface. I myself like to receive software updates more often, and to have a stock Android experience, but this isn't something a general consumer thinks about when buying a device these days...
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Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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Some of that does sound pretty cool actually Still can't say it would make me choose a P8200 over a Nexus 10 though.
>I was mostly asking that question to people who might be in the position of either buying a Nexus 10, or the P8200 (the person knows of both devices). If the person does know of both devices very well, then what actual reasons would there be?
Don't worry, the P8200 is still just a rumor. You have a few more months to play with your baby.
Anyway, if you were serious about the question, you wouldn't be asking it here, where most peeps are already N10 owners, and thus biased toward their own purchase.
N10 has the privilege of "getting it first," both in hardware and OS. But along with that is "getting it buggy," again both in hardware and software. 4.2 has had teething issues; ditto N10 hardware. Other drawbacks include lack of accessories. Determining "better" then depends on the user, whether he wants his toys fast, or having them stable and polished. Some would opt for the first, but the majority would opt for the second.
One major consideration, which Barry mentioned indirectly, is whether N10 will get an update for Miracast. For me, that, more than any other spec, is the must-have feature for high-end tablets this year.
I don't care if Samsung releases an updated version. What I care about, are the dimensions of said tablet. If the dimensions are like the N10's then everyone benefits with compatible hardware that Samsung will bring to the table. There's still the dock for the N10 that Google had shown off in one of their holiday videos. So hopefully the new one will have the same dimensions, so we will have hardware to go with the N10.
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>There's still the dock for the N10 that Google had shown off in one of their holiday videos.
N10 didn't have a dock in said video; it was a generic stand that lacks stability. The shown setup would tip over if you try to use the tablet. Contrast that against the stability of the N7 dock, shown in same vid.
Secondly, the curved N10 silhouette is unique among tablets. Sammy's GT and GT2 lines have straight edges, not curved. The GT3 line may well follow N10 style, but that would be a hypothetical.
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Don't worry, the P8200 is still just a rumor. You have a few more months to play with your baby.
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I'd assume there's some window of exclusivity in Google's contract with Samsung for the N10 to prevent them from releasing a carbon copy within too short a time frame. If it's six months, the soonest you'd see a N10-alike would be April or May. Samsung selling their own version reusing many of the same components would also benefit Google in driving the N10's costs down based on the additional volume. Google's not in the h/w business; they’re in the business of selling ads and content and they'd make the same in that regard whether someone buys an N10 or P8200 so I'm sure they are fine with it.
One major consideration, which Barry mentioned indirectly, is whether N10 will get an update for Miracast. For me, that, more than any other spec, is the must-have feature for high-end tablets this year.
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That's up to Google, not Samsung. The N10's built by Samsung to Google's spec so they are responsible for what's there or missing. The good news is that there's so little out that can receive Miracast it's not like anyone's missing anything. I'm sure the P8200 will have AllShare Cast so Samsung can sell more proprietary dongles.
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Secondly, the curved N10 silhouette is unique among tablets. Sammy's GT and GT2 lines have straight edges, not curved. The GT3 line may well follow N10 style, but that would be a hypothetical.
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It'll be interesting to see if Samsung goes with a different screen/bezel design for the P8200. The current one-piece unit is the source of all the QC issues and the approach hasn't been used anywhere else by Samsung. The entire unit is shaped to mirror the N10's housing so either the display has to be redone or the P8200 will be shaped like the N10.
The new G-Tab 3's are shaped like Samsung's existing tablets. Since there's already a 10" G-Tab 3, the P8200 is either going to be positioned above it as a different series or could be called a G-Tab 3 HD.
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everyone benefits with compatible hardware that Samsung will bring to the table.
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They'll almost surely use their proprietary 30-pin connector so that all the existing tablet accessories work with it. They went to universal accessories after the OG G-Tab(s) and they work on all Samsung’s tablets so that’s not going to help N10 users. Covers and stuff would work but only if they stick to the N10's design which I think is highly unlikely. It's one thing to build a tablet similar to the N10 and another thing to sell a rebadged version of the same tablet in direct competition to their partner's version.
Samsung's products always look good on paper but end up being so buggy they're frustrating to use. I really wish Samsung would iron out some of their problems since they seem to be the most innovate (IMO) manufacturer out there and have great hardware to back it up.
>I'd assume there's some window of exclusivity in Google's contract with Samsung for the N10 to prevent them from releasing a carbon copy within too short a time frame.
I don't think exclusivity matters. Nexus toys are priced below equivalent commercial products, so there's no incentive for the OEM (Samsung) to do "branded" clones of Nexus toys, as it would be undercutting its other products. If anything, Sammy would want the Nexus to have as little exposure as possible, so not to generate any price pressure on high-end Android tabs (which hasn't happened with N10).
>Samsung selling their own version reusing many of the same components would also benefit Google in driving the N10's costs down based on the additional volume.
IMO, Google isn't paying Samsung per unit. It's likely Sammy's play. Sammy gets OS development experience in working alongside Goog's design team, the prestige and exposure, and Goog's help in advertising and distribution. In return, Sammy handles the manufacturing and hardware support. So any volume-of-scale benefit would accrue to Samsung. It's probably a bit more entangled than that, being a joint venture.
>That's [Miracast] up to Google, not Samsung.
I think it's more up to the custom ROM guys. In any case, we should know by the time the new toys launch if N10 will get Mira or not.
>The good news is that there's so little out that can receive Miracast it's not like anyone's missing anything.
Miracast would be an appealing sales hook, as opposed to the usual pitch of ever-higher res and faster SoC. It's something that the buyer can see, and is an actual useful feature. I think it will have a fast ramp, and we'll see many offerings at MWC.
BTW, looks like PTV3000 works with Note 2, so you won't be stuck with just Sammy's own toys.
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/5kUFRgcEYXE
"I can confirm that the 2.2.4 firmware works with my Note 2.
PTV3000 2.2.4
Fully stock Note 2 AT&T - with the new 4.1.2 JB (multi window) update from samsung."
>Samsung's products always look good on paper but end up being so buggy they're frustrating to use.
The easy solution is don't buy toys on launch day. Wait a month for feedback from those with arrows sticking out their backside.
e.mote said:
IMO, Google isn't paying Samsung per unit. It's likely Sammy's play. Sammy gets OS development experience in working alongside Goog's design team, the prestige and exposure, and Goog's help in advertising and distribution. In return, Sammy handles the manufacturing and hardware support. So any volume-of-scale benefit would accrue to Samsung. It's probably a bit more entangled than that, being a joint venture.
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I think that's the way it used to work but there's little incentive for Samsung to sell a couple of million N10's over its lifetime at reduced margins to the rest of their devices. Frankly, Samsung doesn't need prestige; they mean more to Android than Google does based on the percentage of Android devices that are Samsung branded. I'd guess Google turned to Samsung for a 10" tablet simply because the cost of high end components like the ultra-HD display and A15 SoC necessary to power it would have made the final cost too expensive if it were built by LG or Asus who would have to buy components third party. I'm sure Samsung's making a fair (but lower than their own) margin on the N10. And it came out in the Apple trial that Samsung has over 100 s/w engineers based in the U.S. working directly with Google so they've already got all the knowledge transfer they need.
If this tablet turns out to be like Nexus 10 & Note 10.1 together, this will kill the Nexus 10! Can't wait to hear more about this tablet.
>Frankly, Samsung doesn't need prestige; they mean more to Android than Google does based on the percentage of Android devices that are Samsung branded.
Prestige/exposure may not be a big deal, but working hand-in-glove with Google's development of JB certainly qualifies. Software is key to differentiation, and many of Sam's enhancements in its Note devices surely benefitted from its close relationship with Google.
Who pays whom doesn't really matter; Nexus is a joint venture. What matters is that at this point, Nexus has shown no aspiration to be a mainstream product line. The marketing isn't there. Its intentions are rather muddied, but I see a Nexus as more of a reference device + halo product, that caters to vendors/developers/enthusiasts--not joe-blow buyer. That may be by design, as Samsung/Asus/LG wouldn't be too happy if the Nexus brand becomes a full-blown competitor. It's a balancing act, like with the various "co-opetition" relationships we've seen, eg MS' Surface products.
As for who needs whom more, Android is obviously more important to Sammy than Sammy to Android. If Sammy were to disappear today, Android phones will still roll along, with HTC and other players taking up the slack. If Android disappears, Sammy would have...Tizen? WP8?
In fact, that would be a good test of the Samsung brand, to see how much WP8 sales the announced ATIV S & Odyssey can generate. Hey, may be Sammy can singlehandedly boost Win8 sales as well?
I don't think so.
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You're pretty much quoting history, not the present. They've really been focusing on getting their devices updated more frequently. All their late-model tablets and smartphones are on JB; even the SGS2. Any device with an overlay is going to lag behind an AOSP device but in return you get a ton of usability features. Android 2>3>4 were major leaps. 4>5>6 will be less so simply because Android's matured to the point shocking changes to the UI do more harm than good from a usability perspective. This is especially true now that the N4/7/10 are being positioned as mainstream consumer products vs. a developer's platform. And Samsung's JB wireless stacks aren't borked like they are in AOSP. I'm sure the N10-alike as e.mote called it will have all of Samsung's features like multiview, h/w accelerated Android-based stock browser, AllShare Cast and Play, Peel IR remote, and a color calibrated display. And people (maybe not XDA) like those things as the G-Tab 2's outsell the more powerful N7. AOSP doesn't sell because people like devices that "do stuff" (relying on "Play" doesn't count) as the following chart shows. And since the N10-alike will be sold direct via Samsung's distribution system their margin will be better even if it's the same price as the N10. Hopefully that will allow them to address the QC issues; especially with the display.
Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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I don't even know where to begin... First nexus devices have no buttons so there's that.
Second 4.2 has quick settings
Third unlocking via voice can hurt battery life
Forth pretty much everything to do with voice isn't that grand. Until it is better implemented it is just a gimmick. Sure Google now can't do as much yet (one can argue it actually does more ie: getting your boarding pass and updating tracking info for packages) it does it so much more accurately and faster
Fifth smart start and smart rotation suck. They don't work well especially if you wear glasses.
Sixth did you forget about Google music?
I don't plan to mention anything else as they are just gimmicky features. I have a galaxy s3 and use a note 2 from time to time. They're all cool features but half the time they don't work. Until they are reliable I don't consider them features.
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