I'm on UnNamed Rom v2.2.1 which has native tethering capability, but given AT&T's recent crackdown on tethering, is using Pdanet a better option? I've searched a bit on the topic but most are related to iPhone. I generally don't tether, but may need a few megs here and there when on the road, nothing much, probably less than 50mbs in totally but don't want to get served with AT&T's notice. Just wondering if PDANet is any better in hiding the trace from AT&T, the latest PDANet v3.5 has the ability to hide tethering (level 1 & 2) but they don't recommend it because they claim the traffic is already routed through the phone so should be undetectable.
Has anyone used PDANet on UnNamed and lucky enough to have bypassed ATT detection so far?
From my understanding it doesnt matter if you use the phones native tetther or any other one. once you reach the limit You will still get tethered
chibixzero said:
From my understanding it doesnt matter if you use the phones native tetther or any other one. once you reach the limit You will still get tethered
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This is true, it really doesn't matter anymore.
Once you hit 3gb (or local top %) they throttle you to horrible speeds, so just use the native tethering.
data plan is different than tethering plan. my understanding is throttling of 3gb is applied to mobile data only but I'd still have to pay for separate tethering plan even if I only use 300mb of mobile data.
LiLChris06 said:
This is true, it really doesn't matter anymore.
Once you hit 3gb (or local top %) they throttle you to horrible speeds, so just use the native tethering.
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If you do not have an unlimited plan then it is different, they will charge you extra if you go over.
I wouldn't pay for Tethering if you have a grandfathered unlimited plan.
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Is there an App to turn my phone into a wifi hotspot for free? Like, I'm fine with paying for the app, but I don't wanna pay for tethering. I will root if necessary (heck, I'd probably root regardless when I get the phone).
kenio8185 said:
Is there an App to turn my phone into a wifi hotspot for free? Like, I'm fine with paying for the app, but I don't wanna pay for tethering. I will root if necessary (heck, I'd probably root regardless when I get the phone).
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You can use barnicle app (free) or if your more comfortable with modding your phone you can enable the mobile hotspot setting, it only takes like 10 min.
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You don't need a third-party app. You can get the Mobile Hotspot the phone comes with to work without a tether plan: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980636
Zerxer said:
You don't need a third-party app. You can get the Mobile Hotspot the phone comes with to work without a tether plan: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980636
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I guess that might work, but I'm gonna be getting the phone from Bell, not AT&T, so that may not work for me.
straight from google
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
why do u even need 3rd party apps? Root your phone, and the wifi hotspot (aka tethering) option is built-in within the phone itself, for free.
Go here: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root to root your phone. It's very simple actually. Just follow the steps.
Good luck.
aquariuz23 said:
why do u even need 3rd party apps? Root your phone, and the wifi hotspot (aka tethering) option is built-in within the phone itself, for free.
Go here: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root to root your phone. It's very simple actually. Just follow the steps.
Good luck.
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Will AT&T know you are tethering? I am on unlimited plan and they may just switch me to a limited plan. That will suck!
Rican2008 said:
Will AT&T know you are tethering? I am on unlimited plan and they may just switch me to a limited plan. That will suck!
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They can't switch your plans unless you say so. They either need your sig from a store or need you to switch online. The worst that might (and most likely won't) happen is that they'll just cancel your plan, in which case, congrats, you just got an Atrix for a really good deal.
What is most likely gonna happen is that IF AT&T figures out you are tethering, they're just gonna charge you for it. I don't know how AT&T's rates are, but I believe the company I'm with, Bell (it's in Canada) charges about $5/mb if you're tethering.
So, if I were you, I'd get the app or do the mod. Then use about 1mb through tethering. Then call them in a few hours, maybe the next day and ask how much tethering you have used so far. If they say 1mb, you did something wrong (and get dinged on your next bill for it), if they say nothing, then you're good.
aquariuz23 said:
why do u even need 3rd party apps? Root your phone, and the wifi hotspot (aka tethering) option is built-in within the phone itself, for free.
Go here: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root to root your phone. It's very simple actually. Just follow the steps.
Good luck.
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Ya, rooting is the easy part, but how do I access the wifi tether option after rooting? and are you sure I won't be charged for tethering if I use it?
Also, like I said, I'm not with AT&T. I live in Canada, and a company called Bell is gonna be getting it here soon, I'm gonna be buying the phone from them, and using it off their network.
aquariuz23 said:
why do u even need 3rd party apps? Root your phone, and the wifi hotspot (aka tethering) option is built-in within the phone itself, for free.
Go here: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root to root your phone. It's very simple actually. Just follow the steps.
Good luck.
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No, don't root using that article (could someone get them to update the article with the new method?). It's messy for the Atrix. Best thing to do now is use aRoot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981866
kenio8185 said:
Ya, rooting is the easy part, but how do I access the wifi tether option after rooting? and are you sure I won't be charged for tethering if I use it?
Also, like I said, I'm not with AT&T. I live in Canada, and a company called Bell is gonna be getting it here soon, I'm gonna be buying the phone from them, and using it off their network.
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Dude, neither Telus or Bell have any sort of tethering fees. You also don't know if Bell will modify the phone to just include the option, seeing as AT&T have some sort of tethering fee service going on for some reason.
The only thing you're going to get from tethering here is whatever data you use being chipped off your regular data plan. I use 50 MB worth of tethering, that's 50 MB off my data (which makes sense).
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Dude, neither Telus or Bell have any sort of tethering fees. You also don't know if Bell will modify the phone to just include the option, seeing as AT&T have some sort of tethering fee service going on for some reason.
The only thing you're going to get from tethering here is whatever data you use being chipped off your regular data plan. I use 50 MB worth of tethering, that's 50 MB off my data (which makes sense).
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Are you sure they don't have any tethering? I remember once they increased my bill by a horrific amount, and they said it was because I tethered to my computer (I didn't tether and after many calls and hours of complaining, they took away the charge). However, thinking back to it, that was before I had data as well. I do remember the rep specifically saying it's because I tethered data to my computer though, maybe he meant that I tethered it but I was being charged regular data.
Anyways, what you said is what I want, I have 6gb of data and I rarely get passed 500mb. I wanna start using more of my data per month, and wifi tethering is gonna help me with that.
One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
i've personally never read about android devices being caught tethering (if anyone can show me otherwise, i would appreciate it)
the way AT&T picks up on people doing illegitimate tethering is by iphone users using mywi, not sure how they do it but every single post i've read of people who got served was using an iphone.
uuh... Bluetooth is not even remotely close to tethering. The reason they charge extra for tethering, compared to simple data plans... and why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
Also would need a bit more information about how your friends were tethering. The first mentioned friend with the iPhone was probably doing what Alcapone said... using MyWi to tether for free, while probably on an unlimited data plan. That's probably why he got a letter saying that if it continues, he will be switched to the 4GB Tethering plan. They probably noticed an unusually large amount of bandwidth being used, which raised a red flag.
The second friend i'm assuming probably actually pays for tethering... or at least that's probably what the AT&T rep was assuming. In that case they'll charge per extra GB downloaded.
Only time i've ever heard the possibility of someone's plan being switched is if they're doing something that's not possible on their plan to begin with. Kinda like the people that were praying they could keep their dumbphone unlimited data plan to use with a smartphone.
zelipukin said:
One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
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this rant and its questions have all been debated and answered time and time again on this forum. search.
all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
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all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
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This has been covered over here...
Going over your 2gb data plan is one thing and tethering is another. The iphone OS records the amount of time tethered and somehow notifies att about the devices usage. Also, from what I've learned when I had my iphones, not syncing to itunes after you've installed jailbroken apps will not register with apple. The only tethering apps I think most people getting caught with is an app called MyWi. Not sure about PDAnet. My wife uses MyWi but has never synced her phone to itunes after installing and we've never gotten a notice. Might also being looked at cuz the iphone doesn't have flash so other than netflix....how can you use a ton of data other than streaming or tethering.
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This has been covered over here...
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ty, ty, ty
I knew kind people will point me to the right topic I couldnt find myself.
elementaldragon said:
why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
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Is this necessarily true though? With a phone that's capable of multitasking like the Atrix, I don't see the real issue. AT&T claims that by using a laptop, you will end up eating more data, but I always saw the service they provide as the real bottleneck. No matter how many devices you tether to the Atrix, whether it be 1 or 4, you're still unable to use more bandwidth than what you are capable of receiving. If your speed tests run at the miserable 1.5Mbps down and 1Mbps up that I get, how can they claim that you download information QUICKER from a computer? This may have been true before, when phone's couldn't handle as many operations as they do now, but I can definitely stream some music from pandora, browse the web, and hell, even download a torrent all at the same time if I wanted to.
I feel like all of the "modern" updates AT&T has made has just hurt the consumer in the process. Tethering on an unlimited plan shouldn't be allowed, I understand that. Your cell phone plan shouldn't be the basis for your home internet, and that's fair. But if you're on a tiered plan, your 2GB should be yours to do whatever you want with. And while I'm ranting about the tiered plans, I think for the price they charge for the 200MB plan, they need to start offering more. As their service supposedly gets faster, that 200MB cap becomes so much easier to reach. Come on AT&T, get with the times.
I would like to be able to tether my HTC View to my iPhone 4 via bluetooth to share the internet connection. It works successfully via MiWi with the wireless hotspot. I would like to use the bluetooth instead though since the wifi hotspot kills my battery and makes my phone physically hot to the touch after a few hours of it. Is this possible?
The 2 devices do pair through mywi using bluetooth. But when i click to connect and use for internet access the View just sits there and says connecting.
iPhone is running 5.0.1 and is jailbroken
HTC View is running 3.2.1 and is rooted and s-off
jonesychris said:
I would like to be able to tether my HTC View to my iPhone 4 via bluetooth to share the internet connection. It works successfully via MiWi with the wireless hotspot. I would like to use the bluetooth instead though since the wifi hotspot kills my battery and makes my phone physically hot to the touch after a few hours of it. Is this possible?
The 2 devices do pair through mywi using bluetooth. But when i click to connect and use for internet access the View just sits there and says connecting.
iPhone is running 5.0.1 and is jailbroken
HTC View is running 3.2.1 and is rooted and s-off
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Sorry, I don't have a solution for you. I was just more curious if your wireless carrier has found out about you tethering and tried to force you into a tethering plan? I really want to jailbreak my iPhone for tethering but it sounds like there isn't a fullproof way of not letting carriers find out you are doing this.
I would like to do the same. I've read on other forums that some have success with honeycomb connecting to 4.0 miwi
I've been using tethering for about 6 months now. In the beginning it was only when wifi wasn't available for my laptop, or my wife's iPhone on trips (she has 200mb data)
They have not complained yet but it was very low data usage before. I'm sure my data will increase now so I will have to see. I work in IT, everywhere I go has wifi. I've used 702mb of data this month (1/2 through cycle). I'm normally around around 300 - 400mb of data a month. I'm also grandfathered into unlimited plan, so they get $30 a month from me for data. I doubt they are complaining much since i'm such a light user. This bill will be my first full month with the view, so we will see if I ever get any complaints.
jonesychris said:
I've been using tethering for about 6 months now. In the beginning it was only when wifi wasn't available for my laptop, or my wife's iPhone on trips (she has 200mb data)
They have not complained yet but it was very low data usage before. I'm sure my data will increase now so I will have to see. I work in IT, everywhere I go has wifi. I've used 702mb of data this month (1/2 through cycle). I'm normally around around 300 - 400mb of data a month. I'm also grandfathered into unlimited plan, so they get $30 a month from me for data. I doubt they are complaining much since i'm such a light user. This bill will be my first full month with the view, so we will see if I ever get any complaints.
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Ah ok, well keep us updated. I too am grandfathered in on unlimited data on my iPhone 4. And I also am a fairly light user (< 1GB/month), but everyone makes it sound like the carriers are jumping on illegal tethering pretty hard. Regardless of how much data is actually used, they know from the ports that tethering is happening. I almost wouldn't mind paying for a tethering account, but the worst part about doing it is that you lose unlimited regular data.
Reading your posts, I can't understand why tethering is "illegal" or forbidden. I you pay for a data plan, why can't one use it on any device?
Because they want to charge for it. Not sure
No one has successfully tethered with bluetooth?
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I found this article with some searching.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374213&highlight=bluetooth+tether
I wonder if this would work with the View. Same WPA file work?
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Reading your posts, I can't understand why tethering is "illegal" or forbidden. I you pay for a data plan, why can't one use it on any device?
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Its not "illegal", in that I don't think you can get thrown in jail or sued for it.
But you agree to the carrier's Terms & Conditions when you sign up to use their network, whether you like it or not (or bothered to read them). Violation of the Terms means that the carrier can terminate your service, add charges to your account, or other repercussions, depending on what the Terms state.
Not sure what carrier's policies are in Israel. But in the US, most of the big carriers have specific statements in their Terms of Use, that prohibit tethering other devices to your phone without a tethering specific plan. If you are caught violating this policy, they reserve the right to add that plan to your account, or even drop your account if they want.
And yes, its of course so they can charge you extra. I completely agree that data should be data. And if you pay for a certain amount of data, or on an unlimited plan, then ideologically it should not make a difference if you are tethered or not. But there are many times in life where the most logical or fair concept is not what happens in reality. Especially in the for-profit business world.
No one has any ideas? Surely i'm not the first person who has tried to do this.
I just posted a possible solution related to this except I did it on the View:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469997
Since most of us who use this forum are aware of AT&T's draconian policies regarding tethering, especially the one whereby they bump you from unlimited to crappy tethering plan policy, I'm going to ask those of us who are successfully tethering their Atrix with an unlimited data plan to help correct some information.
Basically AT&T is changing their plans, and with 3gb HSPA and 5gb LTE throttling the reality for us unlimited data plan users, I and others would like to know what this has wrought for our tethering capabilities.
Previously AT&T was monitoring our accounts to see if we were tethering, seeing if our phones were using ports and protocols for checking windows update for example(used to determine that your phone is tethered to a PC), or user agent strings, or other means of packet inspection. They were hitting people with the 45$ tethering plan left and right 12 months ago, but now, Verizon has just gotten the smackdown on their charge-for-tether practices, and I recall hearing that AT&T doesn't care about tethering anymore because they are putting most people on the unified data package where a whole set of devices use one pool of allotted bandwidth. Which would mean AT&T can ream those people with encouraged tethering.
But that leaves those of us with an unlimited plan......uninformed. Are they still doing the plan bump if they detect an unlimited user tethering? Furthermore, can they even detect the kind of tethering I've tried before, namely Atrix CM7 connected to HP touchpad CM9, I think built in tethering app. Can't they tell from the amount of hops, its one further on the Time to live?
Or do I have to use PDANET for the encryption?
Surely there must be someone out there using their unlimited with tethering who can chime in, maybe you can say what rom and tether app/built in your using/technique.
And if it's safe, this would make my job so much easier to tether with my laptop. And since that work is volunteer search and rescue flying, this could be invaluable information for me and my team.
Thanks, TL ; DR, AT&T sucks. But they have a fat data pipe and large network...
Grandfathered unlimited plan here. I'm running neutrino and tether to my iPad mostly and some pc tethering I used about 2 gigs in 3 days and so far so good. No scary text or anything.
Of course ymmv but that's been my experience with tethering so far.
Btw located in more rural southeast
Interesting
Thanks for the reply, I've tethered roughly 3-4 gb using netflix and some web browsing from Atrix to Touchpad, but that was last Thanksgiving, so I'm sure AT&T's network has changed since then. I guess I'll start off with trying to push 3gb+ using netflix on the touchpad, followed by browsing on the touchpad to see if any warning bells go off at AT&T. Because frankly having freedom to tether is a joy, I used to use my HTC Touch Pro to tether like mad on AT&T going through 5gb with a laptop easily. But that was 2.5 years ago
Anyone else get slammed?
I thought they just throttled you after you used more than 3gb+. Are they guys not getting throttled anymore?
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I thought they just throttled you after you used more than 3gb+. Are they guys not getting throttled anymore?
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I have tethered on my unlimited plan, using my Nintendo 3Ds, and my laptop which is running linux, so they probably wouldn't be able to detect the devices easily.
No text messages yet.
So I am using a stock rooted rom, and using the built in tethering hotspot in android. Now I got a letter from at&t saying to stop tethering or they will remove my unlimited plan.
How do they know if I am tethering or not and what can I do about it? Is it just that they know because it's a stock rom and maybe it sends data back to them?
I read using a vpn may work, but should the vpn be on your phone or on the devices connected?
Nobody around here seems to know for certain how they are monitoring. Of course AT&T knows, but they aren't saying.
Its been theorized that is probably on the network side, its not ROM (phone) related. I've seen it stated that tethered data packets are tagged differently than non-tethered, and its easy to tell the difference (others have contested this, I'm not personally knowledgeable enough to say either way). And there are almost certainly other factors involved. For instance, tethering volume might make a difference. I've tethered just a little here and there, and never been caught. While others have claimed to tether lots of data, and never caught. The amount of non-tethered data is probably irrelevant. I consistently go close to the 5 GB throttle limit on my unlimited plan, and sometimes tethering is a small portion. So its not just volume alone, but likely a variety of "red flags" they use to enforce the policy.
Is there anything you can do about it? I'd say no. I haven't seen any mod that successfully "masks" tethering usage. Try not to get caught again. If they catch you again, you lose your unlimited plan.
Have you been tethering large volumes of data?
It is network side,after a certain amount of data the system will redflag your account for high data usage. No way around it other than to stop tethering or they will automatically change your account based on usage and you will loose "unlimited" account. Or i have seen a termination of accounts as well.