I have owned my G Tablet basically since it first came out. It has been a great little tablet, especially with all the custom roms available for it.
While the G Tab has it's cons like screen viewing angles, the positives definitely out weigh the negatives in my opinion.
I was thinking of getting another tablet. But, every time I compare what's out there now like the Xoom, Playbook, Samsung Galaxy to the G Tablet, I just cannot justify getting a new tablet.
The G Tab has an excellent processor, great battery life and wonderful community support. The only thing I can think of that the G Tab doesn't have is a HD rear cam for video recording. Which, in reality doesn't worry me to much because I have other devices, such as my phone for video.
What's your opinion? Is there any tablet out there you are considering as a replacement for the G Tablet? Or is it a better idea to see what the next generation of tablet brings?
I think I'm going to wait for the quad core Tegra's. The chip is supposed to have 5x the performance of a Tegra2.
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I hadnt even HEARD about the quad cores, whos releasing those?
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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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I see you found your answer. NVidia started shipping tech samples back in Feb with planned release this summer. I'm sure others will jump on the boat after the current crop of tab are out for a while...they do want to recoup some of their investment on the newest tablets, but I'll be waiting.
If you check NVidia, they have a whole line of Tegra processors planned through 2013, utlimately reaching 75x the performance of Tegra2.
Al
Today I would not buy a gTablet, but I don't think it's the right time to buy another tablet either. It's not just because 'the next generation will be better'. It's also because, 'the next generation lowers prices on the current generation'.
We are seeing more new tablets approach the $300 mark, either due to $100-off coupons or tablets just being priced low (i.e. Acer Iconia A100, 7-inch Tegra 2 Honeycomb tablet will be coming out at a rumored $300 price). Soon the choice may be between a $300 transformer, brand-new $300 Acer, and a $200 (if not totally discontinued) gTablet.
Tablets are rapidly evolving so I understand the upgrade cycle will be faster than, say, TVs or desktop computers. Even so, personally I will not upgrade more often than once a year; I'm not made of money. Late winter/spring 2012 we will have new tablets with 4.0/Ice cream, Tegra 3, and post-Christmas pricing might be more attractive. That's just me.
Tegra roadmap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
Jaycard, I'm in the same position, for the same reasons.
I don't need a newer operating system right now and my gtab runs any app my phone does.
Also every time I look at the newer tabs, I have to think, gee my Viewsonic can already do that.
For now it has been a good buy and and meets my needs.
So I'm going to wait till next year before I upgrade.
Maybe that Staples coupon was a real temptation.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/03/opi...to-be-made-by-asus-include-quad-core-tegra-3/
Just a rumor. Makes you wonder if this rumor is true...
Just yesterday some Asus exec mentions about Jellybean
I can see 7 in. Tegra 3 (the one they announced at CES) turning into this Android Experience Tablet at $199..... but a 10 in. tablet for $299? Not only that but Transformer Pad 300 with Tegra 3 & 10 in. display will be $399....
Not only that but if we were to guess if those 2 devices are the one Asus exec mentioned about with Jellybean.. you also have to question what Google is thinking. ICS is slowly rolling out (heck, most won't see ICS til 2nd qtr or even after).. but if this is Jellybean launch tablet.. so much for ending Fragmentation (but it makes sense if Jellybean is 4.1 or 4.2.... instead of 5.0).
Either way, you have to wonder where "Prime" will fit in if all of these RUMORS or Asus's plans with Tablets are concerned....
I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus. if rumor holds true then this will really increases their shares of android tablet market. rumor seems legit and very feasible especially since Google and Asus relationship is one of the strongest in the industry. that's why Asus leads all other manufacturers in update roll outs and having latest firmware. makes sense next Google nexus tablet is made by them as it will always have the latest firmware upgrades. plus Asus has one of the most vanilla stock firmware experiences. it doesn't slap bloatware UI like touchwize over the stock android experience.
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I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus.
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Don't really care how "media" is portraying Prime. Majority of the "reviews" from the media are about the same as that author (honestly, it really is a nice device if you ignore the signal issues)...
Anyways, if Google does release a "Nexus" tablet with Asus.. it has to be "Jellybean" as "nexus" tablets are typically a "flagship/launch" device for Android. So, if Asus were to release 7 in. Tegra 3 Tablet and.. even the 10 in. Tablet this year.... you have to wonder how they will market Prime & even TF700 and Pad 300 as they are on ICS or will be launched with ICS. They could simply "upgrade" majority of their Tablets to "jellybean" if they are working closely with Google... but if true..
7 in. at $199, 10 in. at $299 & $399, Prime at $499 (with wifi/gps issues.. although, it could be solved), and TF 700 at $600+.....
So, unless Asus fixes or finds a solution to all of Prime's current issue... MOST Likely.. or the future of Prime looks bleak to me.
But yea, Nvidia should/will be happy if Asus is selected to create "nexus" tablet with Tegra 3 included. Btw, I don't think Google has more faith in Asus over other OEMs... they simply liked the "price" of 7in Memo that was presented at CES.
Aren't nexus devices fully unlocked? Doesn't Asus have a problem with that? Not if google tells them not to.
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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saw an article on that also. supposedly its the new nexus phone.
some more details on this. first the name is rumored to be the GooglePlay. 1280x800 resolution. production starts in April and shipping date is in June.
www.droidgamers.com/index.php/table...ake-the-google-qnexus-tabletq-to-be-quad-core
Think it's a win win for everybody if Google can release a Nexus tablets with a decent price.
More tablets on the market = More people that can buy and want apps = More developers that now can put in some time to do good tablet friendly Apps/Games and know that it worth the time and effort.
The Verge and Andy Rubin about tablets
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2...wn-on-android-tablets-in-2012-says-andy-rubin
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead. Android has none of these advantages. It's not catching on outside of phones.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, are still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should definitely prove that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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That's my point more or less. It isn't because Google has Faith in Asus but simply the "PRICE" that was attractive to Google..
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Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
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price point will be the determining factor. we know Samsung tabs are over priced and has no low end sector really. the tab is still priced higher than comparable tablets with same specs or higher. Sony just released the clamshell dual core 1Ghz processor selling it for $599. are they retarded or something. no one will pay that much for s tablet using very outdated specs.
like said before though, no single android manufacturer can compete with Apple. it will take the whole Android collective to swing the tablet shares and nothing less. just like small businesses in America the foundation, same will go for the perceived smaller tablet manufacturers. As Asus is right behind Samsung in android tablets.
So Android really needs all manufacturers to sell well. only way to do that is catch up to the times and start innovating and coming with new features that will even appeal to apple owners. plus zandroid marketplace needs a huge boost in tablet only apps and needs to dedicate its own section for that. apple just recently hit a milestone with like over 25billion app downloads. in order to compete, the apps n software needs to be a bigger factor. if android just solely focuses on hardware spec boosts, we will never beat apple.
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e.mote said:
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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I agree. price point will be the biggest factor. Samsung can't play ball with apple at their own price point or higher. only way to gain more of a stronghold is to start undercutting prices while still having comparable specs or better. Asus seems like one of the only mainstream ones who know howbto properly price devices. Acer also but even Acer themselves unsure of their Android future.
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wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
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wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
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I think it's obvious that I'm looking forward to Win 8 tablets. To answer your question... Intels cloverfield/medfield x86 SoC will be deciding factor to Win 8 ... Biggest knock on Intel's mobile SoC has been battery life..... but if the battery life is near or close to ARM... You are looking at Win 8 Tablets that'll have fully functional OS to their PC counterpart.
If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
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If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
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Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
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Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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I agree, however.. I don't think & seriously doubt it'll be FAR more expensive if all things are equal in hardware wise. By being far more expensive.. as in.. in upwards over $100. Also, Win 8 is being developed to break into tablet market... I doubt Microsoft will charge OEMs excessively ...
Personally I would like to see Google team up with Samsung for Tabs
Super AMOLED HD displays please
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Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
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Sorry, I just used your quote to give some color on Sony as potential player. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else. They're kind of a sleeping giant and everyone underestimates them. They could easily be a bigger player than Samsung in mobile if they could actually get their act together. The key word is “if” because they have a record of squandering opportunities. Appointing a new CEO (the former head of PlayStation) and buying out Ericsson's share of their phone business was a good start.
Look at it this way, if Sony approached Google who has stores set up to sell and distribute content and said "hey, we want to build the Nexus tablet and in return we'll give you access to all our media assets," you think Google would say no? Also Sony and Microsoft with PlayStation and X-Box are like Apple and Google. With W8 leveraging X-Box if I was Sony I'd be looking for a partner with a huge audience in order to counter. People still view Google as a "public service." While they give Android away it's only to get access to an audience for their other money-making products. Google's no more unselfish or concerned about their users when they make decisions than any other public company with shareholders. They may "like" Asus and Samsung but they like money even more.
It's all good.
Acer A510
(Tegra 3, Android 4.0)
n.4 in Glbenchmark top 5
Price 370 euro
ASUS Google Tablet 7
Price 149 $
Google it
hmm that is not the prime...neither of them but its nice to have a asus small tablet the price will go down when the infinity comes out..
is there a ETA of the infinity?
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hmm that is not the prime...neither of them but its nice to have a asus small tablet the price will go down when the infinity comes out..
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What I mean is, because there is the Acer A510, that is like the Prime (same specs if not better specs) but has lower price then the Prime and there is this ASUS google Tab for just 149$, the Prime can not keep the price it has now.
It appears to be the same price with only 16Gb
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What I mean is, because there is the Acer A510, that is like the Prime (same specs if not better specs) but has lower price then the Prime and there is this ASUS google Tab for just 149$, the Prime can not keep the price it has now.
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Tech device like thse are like cars, their value deperciate quickly, as new thing constantly comes out.
So what else is new?
In searching on Acer A510, looks like scuttlebutt from EU blogs is that A510 will sell for €399 in EU and £370 for UK. Price in USD should be same as EUR. Asus TP300 should be priced same. Both will have a tough time competing against iPad 2 at price parity. Don't expect a big marketing push for these models. These are what you call placeholders.
Per Acer press release, A510 will have a 9.8Ah battery for 50% improvement over previous gen. A500/100 had poor battery life. 3.7V also means USB charging is likely doable. OTOH, buh-bye full USB port...
Battery capacity:
A500: 3.26Ah * 7.4V = 24.1 Whr
A100: 1.53Ah * 7.4V = 11.3 Whr
A200: 3.26Ah * 7.4V = 24.1 Whr
A510: 9.80Ah * 3.7V = 36.3 Whr
Re: Prime price cut - Doubt it. More likely is Prime will continue w/ limited availability until new models are intro'ed.
Re: Goog el-cheapo tab - Verge rumor sez $199, which sounds more reasonable. Will probably have OMAP 4430 like Fire/Nook. Hopefully 1280x800. Probably 1GB/8GB RAM/flash.
Geek Qs: Unlocked bootloader? GED w/ direct updates from Goog? Since it's Goog, bet on working GPS. Helps with location-based ads.
Larger implication: Will other vendors be happy? Then again, it's not like there's much action going on in the 7" front. But if Goog lowballs the 7" market, no one will want to step in. How can you compete with a $200 official Google tablet? For better or worse, Goog will have to carry its own ball from now on--at least for the 7".
How would a lowball 7" Goog tab affect the 10" market? Calling all Nostradami...
My magic 8-ball sez it depends on how much enthusiasm Goog can whip up w/ Jelly. In terms of buzz, ICS is clearly buzzed out. 5 months post-launch, and adoption = 0.0000001%. Sales is about excitement first, price second. I don't see too many excited Android peeps here.
And it's not just about the home team. If Win8 tabs hit a home run come fall, Goog will have to carry its own bucket regardless. So might as well start now.
After decrypting your cryptic language and adapting to the slang, I appreciate what you wrote.
I think most will not take on the task to decypher...
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After decrypting your cryptic language and adapting to the slang, I appreciate what you wrote.
I think most will not take on the task to decypher...
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I read it just fine.... this is a developer forum and the slang isn't wayyy over top.
However, I agree in general settings as a rule of thumb it's better to write for a broad audience, but being a dev forum it's not totally inappropriate
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I read it just fine.... this is a developer forum and the slang isn't wayyy over top.
However, I agree in general settings as a rule of thumb it's better to write for a broad audience, but being a dev forum it's not totally inappropriate
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Asus is playing real dumb. Soon as Samsung and other companies put out their high end tablets they will be easy to buy because they know how to release a product and have it available. Who's gonna be searching all over for an Asus when you walk into any electronics store and buy a Samsung/Acer, etc??? If Asus wanted more business they should have flooded the market with their Prime since it is right now the only tegra tablet available, but the dumbo's made it almost impossible to get, even after 3 months on the market. They need to go back to business 101.
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Asus is playing real dumb. Soon as Samsung and other companies put out their high end tablets they will be easy to buy because they know how to release a product and have it available. Who's gonna be searching all over for an Asus when you walk into any electronics store and buy a Samsung/Acer, etc??? If Asus wanted more business they should have flooded the market with their Prime since it is right now the only tegra tablet available, but the dumbo's made it almost impossible to get, even after 3 months on the market. They need to go back to business 101.
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Who knows why Asus didnt decide to flood the market with the prime... Maybe the prime was pressured to be released when it wasnt ready yet. Maybe Asus wanted to know how the prime is going to be accepted at its state when released. Maybe they wanted to make the prime a limited edition. Maybe they wanted to leave room for the Pad 300 and Infinity series. Maybe they'll drop the price 100 dollars when the infinity series comes out, like what apple did with Ipad2 and the new Ipad... Who knows... only Asus knows..
Why didn't asus flood the market? Because the ones that didn't sell by the time others put out T3's will gather dust or be sold for very little profit. Would you want to be the store that has a large inventory off first generation Transformers (or like generation tablet's)?
I still think Tegra 3 supply has been limited. I think the best sign of that supply improving will be actual stock of other Tegra 3 devices hitting the street. So far, there's been lots of talk bit nothing actually shipping.
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I still think Tegra 3 supply has been limited.
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Tell that to HTC. And phones sell in significantly larger quantities than tablets.
HTC One X, One S to launch on April 5 in the U.K.
Posted: 3 days ago, 09:50, by Nick T.
First the good news: we have an update regarding the HTC One S and HTC One X release dates. Both smartphones are expected to hit the shelves on April 5. Now the not-so-good news: word comes from sources in the U.K., meaning that the U.S. release dates for the two smartphones may vary. The April 5 release date for the Tegra 3 powered HTC One X comes from U.K. carrier O2, which spilled the beans in a tweet this morning. Meanwhile, online retailer Phones4u is already accepting pre-orders for the HTC One S with shipping expected to begin on that very same day.
Looks like Android police has posted a new Asus TF500T has hit the FCC. They think it may be the replacement for the transformer prime.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...he-fcc-could-it-be-the-new-transformer-prime/
Would be nice if Asus would allow us prime owners a free upgrade.
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Infinity was a replacement for Prime, which is also somewhat broken. This could be a replacement for Infinity.
It is probably their Windows RT tablet.
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It is probably their Windows RT tablet.
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Asus Windows 8 Tablets are
1. Asus Tablet 600 (Tegra 3 ARM)
2. Asus Tablet 810 (Intel Medfield or Cloverfield x86)
Asus TF500T could be Windows 8 tablet... although, not sure exactly where this would fit in their line-up for Windows. However, it most likely is an Android tablet as Engadget, Androidpolice.. and etc are indicating...
I was eyeballing their FCC label which says MSQTF500T thinking maybe MS could mean Microsoft.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-TF500T-Tablet-Approved-by-the-FCC-286860.shtml
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I was eyeballing their FCC label which says MSQTF500T thinking maybe MS could mean Microsoft.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-TF500T-Tablet-Approved-by-the-FCC-286860.shtml
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Sorry to disappoint
MSQ= the Asustek ID at the FCC.
I've just looked at the TFP internal pictures at the FCC (they were withheld for 6months after approval) https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1566969 Well worth a look and compare to the production model teardown pictures. In view of the 100's of posts about wifi the antenna picture #33 shows there has been some DIY after the PCB was made.
Should be interesting....
If it is Windows tablet... you have to wonder why Asus would release two ARM tablets based on Tegra..
1. MS Surface is rumored to be launched with $200 (i doubt it but.. whatever, rumor goes) & it'll be impossible for Asus to match that price & H/W
2. Releasing two Tegra 3 tablet (and both of them seem to be 10 in tablet) makes no sense again.. for Asus... when you consider Windows RT & MS Store is at complete infancy (and most OEMs are shunning Windows 8 RT at least until next year....)
If it is Android tablet.... welll..
1. Asus is releasing Android tablets in about every 3 to 4 month (and each with issues & in limited quantity)..... This seems to be old HTC model with their smartphone, just releasing new phone almost every month with very small "upgrade" in spec.... Do they really want to follow HTC model where they are currently having major financial issue?? I can't see how this will go well with current ASUS tablet owners from Tegra 3 generation as well (especially... US... the Prime owners).
2. This only makes sense if it is 7in. tablet..... But we shall see...
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Looks like Android police has posted a new Asus TF500T has hit the FCC. They think it may be the replacement for the transformer prime.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...he-fcc-could-it-be-the-new-transformer-prime/
Would be nice if Asus would allow us prime owners a free upgrade.
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Srry but capitalism still exsists
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Its going to be a windows tablet
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Maybe it is going to be the rumored Nexus 10 they are going to build for Google.
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Maybe it is going to be the rumored Nexus 10 they are going to build for Google.
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unlikely. Would be called something else then. It wouldn't go under transformer line.
Cant stand it.
these TF500 and the Nexus 10 rumors are keeping me form buying anything at the moment.
some seem to suggest that the TF500 might in deed be the Nexus 10, other think its a ridiculous idea.
thinking about the nexus 10 (if it even exist) and Asus track record of FCC approving the nexus 7 under memo370t,
to me it seems plausible the TF500 FCC might indeed be for the nexus 10
it makes no sens for asus to indeed role out a tf500 so close to the release of both tf300 and the tf700.
with the specs some where between the tf300 and tf700. i mean what improvements could they possibly make between tf300 and tf700?
the only difference between the two is the display and the cpu.
so would they release a tf500 with the cpu of the tf700 and the display of tf300 or maybe the other way around?
the hd display of the tf700 but the cpu of the tf300??
doesn't make to much sens but it very possible.
it would make a lot more sens for google to put out a nexus 10 as something similar to the tf300 with some minor improvements at a cool $300 bucks, in direct challenge and alternative to both window8 table and the apple ipad.
"demandarin" comments about asus would not give it a Transfomer line name seems sensible too.
but looking at it from the other side if asus would have applied memoX10t to fcc would we then not be much more incline to think that it probably means nexus 10??
just my 2cents
I've known about this model since April as it was mentioned in the Readme file for the ASUS Android USB Drivers (I sent it here: pastebin.com/0UkGtbcS ). In the last version of these drivers they removed the readme file
If we take take a look back at the number of models Asus produced in the eeepc family there maybe a few clues. eeepc family
In the end it was just plain confusing. I really should have learnt my lesson with the 900 that discharged the battery 15% each day when switched off due to poor motherboard design.
Maybe the TF500 is in the works so when they recall the POS Prime for the remaining poor saps that still have one (pi$$ed Gamestop customer here), they don't have to give us an Infinity. Since it is considered an "upgrade".
The TF500 is probably made out of recycled paper, but hey, the gps and wifi actually work.
OK here is my completely worthless prediction (worthless in that it isn't any better a guess than anyone else). The TF500 will be basically a TF700 with a 1280x800 screen. This gives them the following lineup:
TF300 with price reduced to about $300 MSRP. Plastic case and somewhat lesser build quality and slower clocked tegra 3
TF500 priced at about $400 MSRP with metal case and similar to the TF700 but with lower res screen (1280x800)
TF700 remains at its current $500 MSRP
Throw in the fact that the N7 is Asus too and you end up with Asus tablets at $200. $300, $400, and $500
Of course none of this would make any sense unless the price on the TF300 gets down to that $300 price point unless the TF300 is going to be phased out in favor of the TF 500.
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OK here is my completely worthless prediction (worthless in that it isn't any better a guess than anyone else). The TF500 will be basically a TF700 with a 1280x800 screen. This gives them the following lineup:
TF300 with price reduced to about $300 MSRP. Plastic case and somewhat lesser build quality and slower clocked tegra 3
TF500 priced at about $400 MSRP with metal case and similar to the TF700 but with lower res screen (1280x800)
TF700 remains at its current $500 MSRP
Throw in the fact that the N7 is Asus too and you end up with Asus tablets at $200. $300, $400, and $500
Of course none of this would make any sense unless the price on the TF300 gets down to that $300 price point unless the TF300 is going to be phased out in favor of the TF 500.
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If it's only 100 dollars cheaper not sure I would want it, for 350 I would go for it.
Looks like the TF500 is NOT the nexus 10.... Samsung must have beat them to it.
I'm not too stoked about the nexus 10 not having expandable memory. By the time you have music, movies, a couple backups and different ROMs to flash you are out of memory.
Is a Dual-core A15 Eagle CPU in the Nexus 10 better than the Quad core in the Prime?