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As my attempt to organize a group buy was closed I might try the tegratab forum to start one there.
The case is still in the mail but I hope to have it soon.
I will post pictures of the original dock later today because I have to run out for a bit. The dock I hope will be in the mail soon but as I mentioned before.. it's expensive.
Here are the pictures of the official malata dock.
Sorry, forgot to post them yesterday.
I like the looks of the dock. What types of connections does it have on he back?
it's the same connections as the copy version on taobao.
1 x ethernet (10/100)
1 x HDMI 1.2
1 x USB
1 x Power
I hope to have more info on this soon.
looks nice....i am about to buy the tab from Sears, would love to know the price of the dock, is this the official dock ? how much did it cost and from where?
It's the official malata zpad dock but I don't have it yet. Unfortunately the pricing is like $65 so I don't know if I will order it because that's a but on the high side for me too.
The sample case will be arriving Thursday (Dec 2nd) if customs doesn't slow it down any more.
I'm sorry..
Sorry my friend, maybe my mistakes Caused your post has been closed.
You will be get the sample tomorrow?please give me a
information.
The case was just delivered but UPS!
All the work has paid off!! It's a perfect fit for the g-tablet.
Will get some pictures online tonight and start a group buy at a different place.
Here are the pictures with the g-tablet in the case.
Case is made out of real leather (smells better then chemicals) and the inside is a soft suede to protect the tablet.
The viewing angle works perfect for me and when I am looking at the screen I don't have any problems with the bad viewing angles of the g-tablet which is a big plus.
It's very sturdy and even sitting it on books or an uneven surface won't make it tip over.
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Here are the pictures with the g-tablet in the case.
Case is made out of real leather (smells better then chemicals) and the inside is a soft suede to protect the tablet.
The viewing angle works perfect for me and when I am looking at the screen I don't have any problems with the bad viewing angles of the g-tablet which is a big plus.
It's very sturdy and even sitting it on books or an uneven surface won't make it tip over.
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Is there a version of this without that click flap/strap thing? I'm looking for something really simple like the apple made one for the ipad which is similar in design but doesn't have that clumsy clasp thing. Thanks.
If you want one without the strap then I think that would be possible yes.
It's a fairly custom product.
I'd also prefer without the clasp. Since you have one, can you see whether it is easily removed or unstitched?
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Is there a version of this without that click flap/strap thing? I'm looking for something really simple like the apple made one for the ipad which is similar in design but doesn't have that clumsy clasp thing. Thanks.
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It's the sample..maybe have the one without click flap/strap.instead of Built-in magnets.and,the part of the standing can also be changed into scaffolding. cut into the bottom bracket from the case.
I would love to get one which is custom made for the tablet? How much is it to get it delivered in Florida/USA?
It's not allowed to sell here but send me a PM and I can give you more info.
Case looks great Agreed. Smaller clasp with magnet instead of snaps would be ideal.
How long would it take to get a batch made in such a way?
I'll arrange for one without the clasp/strap.
I would like one without the clasp/strap also
I'm curious to see what it looks like without that clasp/strap. I'm very intrigued by this case, it looks really good.
I'll try to get more info on the options and if without is actually possible.
To give my 2 cents. I wasn't crazy about the clasp either from the first pictures and that it sticks out when sitting down. Now that I actually have the case I wouldn't want it without it. It feels solid when closed and looks very nice. Everyone their own choice
I'll see what info I can get.
I'm trying to get a place together to organize the group buy so hang in there.
For more info just PM me and I will try to get back to you as soon as possible.
Thanks!
Has anyone found any decent cases or sleeves for this tablet yet?
It's dimensions are listed as 271x176x12.9mm, which makes it longer than the iPad, as well as longer and wider than the Xoom, so I imagine most cases for those devices will be too small (or it'll protrude through the opening.)
At the same time, lots of netbook cases are around, but they seem to extend by 1 or 2cm too far in each dimension. Closest appears to be the Belkin 10.2" cases on Amazon.
There's a comparison of sizes here:
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_co...om-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10-1v-vs-Apple-iPad2
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=5653&t_mode=des
Looks like it might work - size wise it seems the transformer will fit.
For the moment I am going to keep my transformer in the case I used for my Asus EEE PC Netbook, just hope it fits!!!
I also contacted tuff luv as I adore their cases and have one for my Kindle and love the fact I can prop it up and read it. They say there going to look into it and to contact them again in a couple of weeks, I really hope they do a case.
I got on of these as a temporary measure. .
http://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasic...1_6?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1302631132&sr=1-6
Fits well enough, of somewhat unspectacular..
REALLY hoping Yoobao do a transformer version of their magic case.. have emailed them to enquire.. mebbe i enough of us register our interest.. Hint.. hint
I still haven't found a case :'( I'm using a net book neoprene case which is too big, do we need to consider the keyboard as well... might make it harder to get the case.
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Ive got one of these and it fits pretty well.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9295706.htm
I got one of these anticipating my Transformer but after getting it, I'm pretty sure it will be about .5 inch short.
www .amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Netbook-Handle-10-Inch-Netbooks/dp/B002VPE1Q6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302649243&sr=8-1
The Transformer is long and narrow unlike all other tablets.
I got my kindle sleeve from here..http://wrappers.typepad.com/
Very pleased with it...
If you email them with details they will advise which of their huge range will fit the Xformer. They are custom made.
I bought a cheap neoprene sleeve on ebay (item no 170625464579) for £3.30 delivered (although he has now hiked up his price to £4.95). It fits pretty much perfectly - although I did manage to accidentally wake the tablet up from standby putting it in the sleeve on one occasion.
andyfoster said:
I bought a cheap neoprene sleeve on ebay (item no 170625464579) for £3.30 delivered (although he has now hiked up his price to £4.95). It fits pretty much perfectly - although I did manage to accidentally wake the tablet up from standby putting it in the sleeve on one occasion.
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Looks like this one on Amazon?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/A1CS-tablet...66/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1302711288&sr=8-24
Edit: blah, ignore - just noticed that's for 7" tablets.
steftymo said:
I got my kindle sleeve from here..http://wrappers.typepad.com/
Very pleased with it...
If you email them with details they will advise which of their huge range will fit the Xformer. They are custom made.
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Wow, those look really nice. I'll email and see what they say.
Edit: Have just been emailing with the lady that makes them. She's confident she can make something up for it and is going to send me a sample. I'll keep you posted!
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I just bit the bullet and ordered this one for now:
www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0045D88I4/ref=ox_ya_os_product
Size is 270x200x25 mm which is the closest I could get to the Transformer size. It should arrive in a couple of days and then I will report back.
rio
This looks like a perfect fit from the listed dimensions:
http://www.gearzap.com/pakuma-eco2bag-cocoon-10-netbook-sleeve-black-and-jasper-red.html
Anyone know the height of the keyboard? Don't want to buy a sleeve yet until I know both the tablet & keyboard are going to fit in it!
can we use the cases/sleeves for asus eee netbook? they are the same size of 10.1"..
leeharo said:
can we use the cases/sleeves for asus eee netbook? they are the same size of 10.1"..
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maybe im not sure. but isnt the transformer 16:10? its pretty widescreen so itll be a little lengthy compared to netbooks i think. im not quite sure.
Today i went to my local PCWorld store and picked up a Samsonite 11" Notebook Case, it seems to fit quite well, but was £24.99 ....
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/samsonite-aramon2-11-laptop-case-black-05318913-pdt.html
It is duel aspect, so when the keyboard part of the TF arrives it will also be used in this case, the tablet part fits in the top part of the case and is held in place by two corner holders.
bobcatuk said:
Today i went to my local PCWorld store and picked up a Samsonite 11" Notebook Case, it seems to fit quite well, but was £24.99 ....
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/samsonite-aramon2-11-laptop-case-black-05318913-pdt.html
It is duel aspect, so when the keyboard part of the TF arrives it will also be used in this case, the tablet part fits in the top part of the case and is held in place by two corner holders.
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Been there, done that. Unfortunately - as you'll soon notice - when it's done up the zip sits right on top of the power button, making it incredibly easy to turn on accidentally. I'm taking mine back tonight.
My sample "Wrapper", as linked above, arrived this morning and it's very nice indeed! Perhaps a little small width ways but I've sent my feedback and I think they're going to re-work it a little. Once they've got the final design down-tap I'd recommend them without hesitation.
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Been there, done that. Unfortunately - as you'll soon notice - when it's done up the zip sits right on top of the power button, making it incredibly easy to turn on accidentally. I'm taking mine back tonight.
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I guess i can see what you mean about the zip, but im traveling around with work next week and wanted something quick to stop it getting battered in my laptop bag with everything else that is in there.
It will do for the moment until either an official case comes out or a good alternative is found, I will hold onto the receipt and packaging that came with it, if it turns on the power constantly when im away next week i will take it back.
The TeckNet iPad Leather Case for Apple iPad is exactly the type of thing I want, only designed for the eeePad!!!
I'd link you to the page on Amazon, but I've not posted enough on here yet to put up external links! (GRRR!)
hey! has anyone able to find any nice leather cases for the TF201 that would also allow keyboard docking?? i found a few nice cases but they all specifically say (This Case is NOT Compatible with Keyboard / Dock)
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hey! has anyone able to find any nice leather cases for the TF201 that would also allow keyboard docking?? i found a few nice cases but they all specifically say (This Case is NOT Compatible with Keyboard / Dock)
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Someone here posted a bunch of links, in those links I found a "nice" pad/keyboard case, but guess what, I can't friggin find it now, but I am looking. Will post back once I find it, good news is, there is one out there now. I am in here searching for it now, have my prime, now I need a case.
this case is exactly what im looking for! except its for the TF101
http://www.amazon.com/Tuff-Luv-Veggie-Leather-Keyboard-Transformer/dp/B005965US2/ref=pd_cp_e_1
hopefully they come out with a TF201 version
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this case is exactly what im looking for! except its for the TF101
http://www.amazon.com/Tuff-Luv-Veggie-Leather-Keyboard-Transformer/dp/B005965US2/ref=pd_cp_e_1
hopefully they come out with a TF201 version
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UG, that looks like the one I found, same thing I am looking for, if I find one for the Prime, will post and let you know.
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>> Ultimate Transformer PRIME TF201 Accessory Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20013463&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20013463&postcount=1
+1 would like one of these for the tf201 as well
I'm also looking for something like this
Bookmarked this thread, if I ever find one I'll post a link.
I emaile Tuff-Luv asking if they would release a case that is compatible with both the keyboard and dock. They replied saying they will be releasing their line of cases in Feb of 2012, so hopefully they will release a nice case by then!
spex714 said:
I emaile Tuff-Luv asking if they would release a case that is compatible with both the keyboard and dock. They replied saying they will be releasing their line of cases in Feb of 2012, so hopefully they will release a nice case by then!
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Thanks for the update, looking forward to their release.
Wow, this is pretty slick looking. I might pick one up in Feb. Until then I am just going to use a neoprene case to carry it around like a laptop and use it naked when I take it out.
I thought I saw in another thread someone say there is very little clearance between the keyboard and the screen when it is closed. I wonder how a case like this will work if that's true.
You need to un-dock the keyboard.
wwwamazoncom /MiniSuit-ASUS-Transformer-Keyboard-Portfolio/dp/B006ULQPTI/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_3
Its available for pre-order on amazon. add the periods and delete the space after .com
But it will not be able to close properly with that Tuff-lov thing...?
There's leather on top of the keyboard dock and alson on the front of the tablet.. So thats 2 x leather layer when trying to close the thing.. it cannot be healthy for the dock hinge....
I think I've seen the Case Logic case asked about or maybe even shown somewhere else but I can't find it (I've searched, no luck). SO I'm hoping this might be a good place to post pics, at least it's on topic (except it's not leather).
I've seen this online but I stumble across at Walmart so had to check it out knowing I could easily return it. I is a semi-hard sided case that will hold the tablet and dock when they are connected (or if they are not, just be careful where the hinge is on the dock when you close the case if its' not connected).
I like it. It's growing on me. It offers a lot of versatility. At first I thought wth am I going to do with the dock when I only want to use the tablet (where am I going to store it or put it if I'm traveling or at a friends, etc) but quickly found it kinda just stashes away on it own within the case. Problem solved!
My opinions, fwiw:
Pros -
*cost $25
*durable, rugged
*really good fit
* soft lining, extra padding behind the tablet
*presents well ( easily walk into any meeting or class room with this)
*while it's not technically a portfolio, there is room for some note paper and my stylus fit in there in a little spot on top and the mettle never hit any of the metal on the tablet or dock
*neoprene cover does just *barely* wraps around it if I want added cushion
*versatile viewing angles
*can keep dock in the case detached from tablet and still use tablet with case
*you can leave the top straps on and attached to the top corners of the tablet when you close the case - it's not putting any pressure on the dock hinge at all, it adds a little more cushion between the two units, plus it fills up the space within the case a little more
Cons -
*the strap on the top left corner WILL hit the volume rocker.
*takes a bit of fooling around with the middle velcro part to see how and where it will work with the hinge, but it's worth the little extra time so it doesn't get messed up later
*be careful if you've detached the dock and try to close the case with the units separated - the hinge needs to be in the right place or we might risk breaking it or scratch the glass - maybe not but I wouldn't want to force it or risk it.
*it adds significant overall weight. I don't have a scale that will measure it , but it is heavier. That being said, I may not to drop it from my 3rd story balcony, but I feel pretty safe with it withstanding most common impacts and injuries. If I took the time to add another thin cushion later I am fairly certain it would withstand any fall from counter or waist height
whats the name of the case logic case?
It's this one I think (or very very similar):
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Logic-ETC-110-10-Inch-Tablet/dp/B004XANKWI
I got it at Walmart for $25.
The biggest pro to this one is that it will securely hold both tablet and dock. I'm glad I have it, I wont be returning it, it will serve it's purpose when I need a case like this. At home, I'm very careful. Now I know I can take both with me and they will have a safe home, too
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Thanks for the update, looking forward to their release.
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I just got my mini suit case or the prime. It fits well and works with the dock and with out the dock. I will post back with any gripes or comments once ive given it more of a chance.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
I've got this on pre order
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006ULQPTI/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
Covers both
Found one seller on EBAY
Found one seller on EBAY...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keyborad-Leather-Cover-Case-Pouch-Skin-Asus-EeePad-Transformer-2-Prime-TF201-/160726484419?pt=AU_TabletAccessories&hash=item256c0b85c3
FWIW
I have the Transformer Prime with keyboard, and just got the mini suit case. I like it, for the most part. The leather feel is much nicer than the other brands I've seen. And it's really cool how it covers both the Prime and the dock, yet will come apart (with a couple of snaps) when you don't want to bring the dock along. The only thing that bugs me is the sloppiness of the cover without the dock. It's like a book with a very old, very loose, sloppy binding. I'm not sure I like that, and may decide to pick up one of the cheaper covers to use when I'm not planning to have the dock with me.
I have a question too, about the dock. Is there a forward delete key? Or a hot key that works to delete forward instead of backspacing? That missing function has bugged me since I first discovered Android! Just sayin'...
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I just found this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/MiniSuit-ASUS-Transformer-Keyboard-Portfolio/dp/B006ULQPTI/ref=pd_cp_e_0
Hi everyone,
I just bought my Transformer Prime last week, and I am faced with a major dilemma. I'm scared to death that I'm going to drop it, so I've been using the case I bought for my granddaughter's original Transformer. It doesn't quite fit, but it works.
I'm trying to decide how to protect my new tablet. I like the look of leather and a well-padded case would provide good protection, and the ones with stands are very utilitarian. However, it would be a shame to cover up such a beautiful device! (After all, its good looks are one of its strong selling points.)
Has someone found a good solution for protecting their tablet while still being able to show it off?
(I apologize if this question has already been answered; if so, please just point me to a link. Sometimes it's really hard to find the right search terms.)
Thanks!
I have ordered the case shown in link below. In my case I have the Dock also and this seems to me the Best available. Though this might not be what you need thought I would at least post it for you.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006ULQPTI
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Since we have an Accessories Forum for the Transformer Prime that discusses accessories like cases, created for or compatible with the Transformer Prime, you might look there for answers first.
This thread in the Accessories forum would be a good place to start:
Ultimate Transformer PRIME TF201 Accessory Guide
Check out this one
This is the one I will be sporting once it is available... April 16...
http://www.gumdropcases.com/asus-prime.html
I've got a simple 10" laptop/tablet neoprene sleeve. The prime fits nicely inside it with or without the dock attached. Apart from that i dont have any protection on it right now and its been working well for me. Having it for 2 months now and i dont have any scratches. And i have it with me most of the times in my backpack or guitarcase.
MagicSpeller said:
Hi everyone,
I just bought my Transformer Prime last week, and I am faced with a major dilemma. I'm scared to death that I'm going to drop it, so I've been using the case I bought for my granddaughter's original Transformer. It doesn't quite fit, but it works.
I'm trying to decide how to protect my new tablet. I like the look of leather and a well-padded case would provide good protection, and the ones with stands are very utilitarian. However, it would be a shame to cover up such a beautiful device! (After all, its good looks are one of its strong selling points.)
Has someone found a good solution for protecting their tablet while still being able to show it off?
(I apologize if this question has already been answered; if so, please just point me to a link. Sometimes it's really hard to find the right search terms.)
Thanks!
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Forgive me if someone already posted, but I bought a leather case from Best Buy made by a well known name..Targus.
It does offer great protection and has the stand built in, a nice velvet/cashmir type fabric inside. I don't have the link but it's the only one that the Best Buy by me had so I grabbed it. It was $40.00
This ISN'T my Transformer Prime
Yeah there are a lot to choose from on Amazon.com. This is the one I went with, I'm happy overall:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063Q3G3I/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
Thanks!
Thank you, RonH54. That looks like a very nice case. The problem is that although the front of the keyboard is visible, the back of the keyboard and pretty much everything on the tablet itself is pretty much covered--so no one can see how nice it looks. (My dilemma....)
I'm also a little concerned about the very negative review I saw there!
joedeveloper, the Moko also looks very nice, but also has the same issues. And Pixelation, I haven't seen the Targus case, but I assume it covers the tablet as well. Am I right? And finally, Gage_Hero...!!!! What can I say? That looks like a pretty extreme solution. I don't plan to treat my tablet in a way that I would need anything like that.
almightywhacko, thank you for the link. I had already seen it, and looked at most of the cases there, but got discouraged because they all looked pretty much the same and all covered the tablet so you couldn't see it. I tried to post my question in the Accessories Forum first, but was told that I was breaking forum rules by posting a question there and that I needed to post in the Q&A forum--so here I am.
I've never seriously considered a sleeve, but clouds5, thanks for the suggestion. There are several listed in the Accessories Forum thread, so I intend to look at them. That might be the best compromise, because the tablet would be protected when it most needed it, but would be on display when I was actually using it.
The only other option that has occurred to me is a clear case. Something like the Invisible Shield wouldn't provide enough impact protection (although I would need something like that for the screen to prevent scratches)--but there might be a clear case out there that is more protective. Has anyone seen something like that?
Again, thanks to everyone for your contributions. You have given me some new ideas. (Sorry to be so slow--I've tried several times to post over the past couple of days, but kept being told that "the token had expired", whatever that means!)
I have 6 cases. I am not kidding. 6.
Like you, I have a tf101 sleeve that works for basic thin protection (given to me by a friend that didn't like it for their og). I have a neoprene case (another give-me). I have a non-tf202 specific hard-ish case made by CaseLogic that I like a lot because it will hold the tablet+dock and it is very durable. I have the MiniSuit linked to above for the tablet+dock and it sucks. Badly. They are a good company and they have done right by me, refunded my money, etc, but the design is horrible with a very basic flaw - the leather is way too thick where the dock meets tablet and that is just not going to be good over time. I have "modified" it with a pair of scissors so that it wont break my tablet+dock - it does make a nice case for carrying and using them both. I also have the MiniSuit 360 case. I really like that one because the tablet is detachable from the case.
IMO = The best one is the one joedeveloper linked to. Slim, good protection and really shows off the Prime. It is the only one that does not cover the bezel. It is very "configurable" and you can use the dock WITH it. I can be folded half way back and then half of the beautiful back is "shown".
I have the full body skinomi skin for my tablet and dock so I have that as added protection so I son't mind using my dock with that case because I know my dock wont get scratched. But i wont use that if I need to carry or travel with the dock, I'd use one of the other ones.
So...slugbug2010,
Let me make sure I understand you. You like the MoKo case "best" because it doesn't cover the bezel, but it doesn't give enough protection to travel with it? So you would recommend buying a second case for traveling with it (in addition to a full-body skin)?
I can't tell from looking at it and reading about it on Amazon if it covers the keyboard, or just the tablet itself. If it covers both, can the two pieces be separated? If it doesn't cover the keyboard, I'd need to have a separate sleeve or something to protect it.
Can you and joedeveloper elaborate a little more, please?
Thanks!
You can get some balls for your Eee pad if you are afraid of dropping it.
http://iballz.info/universal.html
Reading your post again, it looks like you want a clear TPU case like this one made for the iPad http://www.amazon.com/CrazyOnDigital-Accessories-Cover-Retail-Package/dp/B004RRU7NM
However sadly no company has yet stepped up to the task of making such a case. Theoretically a TPU case would provide decent drop protection and not alter the look of the tablet much. And since it is so thin it would work well with a sleeve for added padding when not in use.
Yes, the TPU case looks like it might be along the lines of what i want--but it appears that I'm out of luck.
texstar, the iBalls are a really interesting concept (despite the name). I'm thinking they might be the perfect thing for my granddaughter's Transformer, providing some protection and leaving the tablet easier to use than the traditional case I already have for her.
As far as using them with my Prime--they certainly would expose the tablet itself, but I'm not sure I like the "quirky" look mentioned by some of the reviewers. It's also not clear whether or not they might cover up some of the ports and controls.
If your post was a serious one, do you own them? Has anyone tried them on your tablets?
Joedeveloper and Slugbug2010, are you still there? I really like the Moko case, but it's tablet only. The Minisuit looks nice, too, but seems to be thicker than what I'm looking for. I think I need a combination of the two....
Those of you who are using the Moko and have a dock, do you have a separate case for it, use a sleeve, or just leave it unprotected?
Thanks again for all your help.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
Hello all
Am sure this is probably one of the number one questions, so sorry to post it one more time, but am looking for a case for my 8.4 an was looking for some suggestions.
Want something that obviously covers the screen, but can fold back 100% so I can lay it flat on the desk.
But would really want for it to fold as a stand too.
Hopefully can be tough as I work in some harsh environments, as well an in part due to this too, don't need it to fancy, an might think leather would be out, but would be easy to clean an not absorbent such as a cloth like material.
Oh, an am not looking for a key board, as well am hoping to keep the price down.
So as can be seen, is kinda why I posted as while I find some of the above, I don't find all of it, but I get too that I have to get what's out there, but just hoping I might benefit from others who have come before me to find as close to what all my needs are.
Thanks for any help.
Check local Bestbuy for Insignia folio case.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insigni...lack/9481112.p?id=1219424187668&skuId=9481112
did you look on amazon? there is a lot of case here...