If I had the choice between the developer version and a non-developer version which should I opt for?
Does it really matter as most users have the locked bootloader?
Thanks
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Yea its kinda pointless to get a dev phone when the bootloader is lock on it too. Just a expensive razr imo.
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So only reason is for running roms like the ICS leak via fastboot?
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So only reason is for running roms like the ICS leak via fastboot?
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Umm....no..you don't know what your talking about. The dev version is supposed to get an unlocked bl but motorola has f'd people of lol
Just get the normal one if your not a Dev
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MattyOnXperiaX10 said:
Umm....no..you don't know what your talking about. The dev version is supposed to get an unlocked bl but motorola has f'd people of lol
Just get the normal one if your not a Dev
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Wow, you're a real people person. I do know what I'm talking about. Unlock the bootloader with fastboot oem unlock so images can be flashed directly without hacking.
I was merely asking that with the Razr unlocked, the only thing that can be done is flashing images via fastboot, which as a non expert in the Razr forum, I wanted to see if there was any point.
You can flash images in fastboot or CWM just fine if you have a regular flavour locked RAZR, you just can't flash unsigned kernels. Pretty arbitrary, huh?
Story goes that even the developer edition RAZRs can't be unlocked through fastboot at this point, so really no point in shelling out the extra cost.
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Why were they able to root and unlock the boot loader and everything else on the thunderbolt so quickly but yet no one can do it on the atrix?
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Sorry, I don't know.
Because it's not locked or signed?
There's seems to be some discussion regarding it being locked or not. Engadget wrote an article about it being locked but there are a lot of comments from readers with evidence to the contrary.
With it being broken so fast, I believe it wasn't locked or signed.
Um. The phone is not unlocked. In fact the devs were in for a surprise to see the phone has signed bootloader. Signed karnel. Everything is sihned. Which is a furst for htc phone . The only thing they managed to do is root it. And they already did with the atrix. Once you have a signed bootloader and karnel. There is not much you can do.
The article was posted new today or yesterday at engadget. And nothing happened since then.
Its safe to assume all companies right now will use a locked bootloader and karnel. They dont want you to keep your phone. They want you to update.
So basically unless an employee leaks the codes we are s o l.that really sux.
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Android police is reporting that the Bootloader has been unlocked.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...he-htc-thunderbolt-and-unlock-its-bootloader/
Exactly and since the bootloader will never be unlocked on the Atrix then its going back next week. Suck it moto!
Right.So like I asked earlier, why were they able to unlock that one and not ours?
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Exactly and since the bootloader will never be unlocked on the Atrix then its going back next week. Suck it moto!
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Yea I'm in the same boat, I might just go back to my captivate in the next week. I really like this phone but I don't feel like much progress is being made. I know there are a few busting ass trying to crack this thing but that doesn't necessaraly mean theyre making progress. Although they did get a copy of that unlocked/deencrypted phone from ken so maybe we'll see something soon.
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most android hackers are on verizon, because they went in with android first. the least amount of android hackers are on at&t. also, they had better resources, they were leaked a beta bootloader that was unlocked, and also a previous ruu image (like sbf but for htc)
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Right.So like I asked earlier, why were they able to unlock that one and not ours?
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I don't know the true reason, but historically, HTC phones are more "open" and "hackable" than Motorola phones (excluding the original Droid). It's just a different company policy more than likely. Is this policy different with the Thunderbolt? I'm not sure...
there is a definitive difference between 'Locked' and 'Encrypted'
if VZW released the DX2 in Europe (possibly with an unlocked BL) couldn't we use files off that phone to unlock our BL? (if any of this was released, of course!)
Also, the photon now has their BL unlocked, and the DX2 and Photon are cousins couldn't we try their method(s) to unlock our BL? Unless that's not possible at all.
Sorry guys, these are just random thoughts that have crossed through my head.
I don't think we could because VZW would probably put a different bl on the Europe version. And I think I read our kernel doesn't have an option to unlock it any ways, so we would need a new kernel that gets past the sig check, then try to unlock it. Could be wrong though. Still learning this stuff haha
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Verizon Wireless, who is an American Subsidiary wouldn't release a phone in Europe, lol. And Moto won't release the phone there because A. It is old news now, and B. They are predominantly a GSM region.
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I don't think we could because VZW would probably put a different bl on the Europe version. And I think I read our kernel doesn't have an option to unlock it any ways, so we would need a new kernel that gets past the sig check, then try to unlock it. Could be wrong though. Still learning this stuff haha
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so if our kernel wasn't unlockable then thered be no BL pudding for us unless we found the sbf that had an unlocked bl, correct?
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so if our kernel wasn't unlockable then thered be no BL pudding for us unless we found the sbf that had an unlocked bl, correct?
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I think so. But I'm not completely sure. I need to go back and read the bl notes thread.
But there are ways around it, like the theory of 2nd init starting a different kernel. So maybe some one could find a way around and we wouldn't have to wait for the SBF. But I think the SBF would come faster, if we get one.
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true, if the photon has a sbf that's been leaked then the DX2 has gotta have one as well, or at least that's a theory
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Yeah. Just gotta hope some one catches it off a server it gets it from the inside!
I'd be sick to see what this could do with an unlocked bl!
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IDMA.DROID.X2 said:
Yeah. Just gotta hope some one catches it off a server it gets it from the inside!
I'd be sick to see what this could do with an unlocked bl!
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well, I think i found a new update on the servers, 2.3.5 for the DX2, but who do i send it to?
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well, I think i found a new update on the servers, 2.3.5 for the DX2, but who do i send it to?
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Just saw your post in the other thread! Nice!! Send it to the guy who replied, and maybe send it to some ROM devs
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Gotcha, yeah, I figured I'd see what it it's all about, but you can't root it, pete's rooting tools wouldn't root nor unroot my phone, so i think the exploit was covered up, which def sucks.
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Gotcha, yeah, I figured I'd see what it it's all about, but you can't root it, pete's rooting tools wouldn't root nor unroot my phone, so i think the exploit was covered up, which def sucks.
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Yeah! Maybe some one can find another exploit that'll work. See if you can pull the update again and copy the update file to your PC and upload it to mediafire and post a link to it for anybody who's interested. I'd see if I could help, but I'm not at a PC.
How's it running with the update? Any noticeable changes?
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I'd tell you, but I had to sbf back to 2.3.4 to do anything that was relevant to unlocking the BL.
but I have overmind at the IRC, so i think i'ma try and pull the update again and not update and see if i can pull it.
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Yeah! Maybe some one can find another exploit that'll work. See if you can pull the update again and copy the update file to your PC and upload it to mediafire and post a link to it for anybody who's interested. I'd see if I could help, but I'm not at a PC.
How's it running with the update? Any noticeable changes?
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the only thing on 2.3.5 we found was a faster non-delayed lockscreen, but there may be more soon!
afaik the only markets the x2 was released was the united states and mexico.
I could be wrong though.
In the many threads we have on unlocking the bootloader there is much discussions that have been beaten to death about unlocking using other phones methods. Bottom line it just isn't possible due to kernel differences and hardware differences. Check the "project thread" in development section for more info about why.
there was a LOT of discussion about it around the time we got the ATRIX ports as well.
And the ring able to start a second kernel after ours starts needs kexec to work along with 2nd init. I don't believe 2nd init alone will be able to start a new kernel. People had worked on kexec I believe but it didn't go far. We need more of a team to get something like this wiring but as of now we have requested a couple dev teams to help us out but were told "not working on x2 at this time....busy with other projects" or something to that effect. Hopefully we will get that leaked sbf that has our unlock one day....I did hear a while ago from a little birdie that an sbf was found that had oem unlock option but it didn't work/unlock wasn't implemented so hopefully we are getting a little closer.
**don't ask me where I heard it...and don't ask for any links for proof...I have NO proof for what I say....just take it as it is....believe if u want or don't believe if u want....either way keep your eyes and ears peeled and keep trying to find us that unlock option....this phone could destroy many others if we get unlocked***
Hello everyone i tried looking around this forum but cant find what i need do i need to have the bootloader unlocked to have root access and whats the safest way to root my device
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Unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone are two separate processes, and you don't need one to have the other.
As far as root methods and the rest, have you looked here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393519
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Unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone are two separate processes, and you don't need one to have the other.
As far as root methods and the rest, have you looked here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393519
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Im a noob with motorola i always had samsung. Samsung doesnt have a bootloader what is good about unlocking the bootloader sorry for my noon question
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Im a noob with motorola i always had samsung. Samsung doesnt have a bootloader what is good about unlocking the bootloader sorry for my noon question
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Unlocking the bootloader allows you to load roms like CM7, CM9, MIUI - anything that uses a custom kernel. It also allows you to load up a custom recovery.
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Unlocking the bootloader allows you to load roms like CM7, CM9, MIUI - anything that uses a custom kernel. It also allows you to load up a custom recovery.
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Oh ok thank you for that info im gonna stay stock waiting for ics 4.0 comes out in may
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Where did you head ICS in may? Sorry to hi-jack. Just being hopeful here.
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Where did you head ICS in may? Sorry to hi-jack. Just being hopeful here.
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For now, the only Motorola smartphones scheduled to get ICS in 2012 are thr Photon 4G, Atrix 4G and Atrix 2 starting in July. The rest of Motorola's lineup, including the Droid 4 and Droid Razr Maxx are in the evaluation and planning stage, and that means there is no guarantee they will be updated.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/299936/20120216/ice-cream-sandwich-update-ready-motorola-photon.htm
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These guys managed to get S-OFF on a few HTC phones by shorting something (That's what it seems to me.) in the chipset...
S-OFF via JuopunutBear Tool
If this could be made to work for us, it'd be a slap in the face for Moto...
this is very hardware specific and an epic hw design fail by htc.... :-(
anyway - who will short his phone first? ;-D
Definitely looks pretty sketchy. Lol.
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These guys managed to get S-OFF on a few HTC phones by shorting something (That's what it seems to me.) in the chipset...
S-OFF via JuopunutBear Tool
If this could be made to work for us, it'd be a slap in the face for Moto...
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I've owned mostly HTC phones. That's a company that listens to it's customer's. Period.
If you have an HTC Phone, you've got custom Kernels period. The development community is second to none.
That's why i so surprised to come here with my Razr to find out theres..not much.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't S-Off simply allow you root access? And can't we already do that with software? There's no way I'll be tearing apart my phone and start shorting things out just to get it rooted.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't S-Off simply allow you root access? And can't we already do that with software? There's no way I'll be tearing apart my phone and start shorting things out just to get it rooted.
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S-Off means unlocked bootloader.
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S-Off means unlocked bootloader.
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Not true. My Rezound has an unlocked boot loader with s-on. S-off is unrestricted access to all partitions of the phone. It's "security/signature" - off, something like that.
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Not true. My Rezound has an unlocked boot loader with s-on. S-off is unrestricted access to all partitions of the phone. It's "security/signature" - off, something like that.
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Exactly...S-Off allows one to fall back to an older radio and flash only the radio if, for instance, HTC or the carrier pushes a new OTA that has a new radio and makes your phone get a worse signal than before. W/out S-Off you can't just flash back so easily.
ETA: Re-reading my comment makes it seem as that's only S-Off can do but like quoted above it also allows you to flash stuff not officially signed by HTC. Prior to S-Off it was virtually impossible to brick a Rezound. W/ S-Off, you can easily brick a phone permanently.
amazing. If I recall something similar was done to xbox 360 JTAG.
I am confident some day someone will unlock those Motorola bootloaders...
romdroid. said:
amazing. If I recall something similar was done to xbox 360 JTAG.
I am confident some day someone will unlock those Motorola bootloaders...
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Its a shame the bootloader cant be unlocked like on the atrix
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Its a shame the bootloader cant be unlocked like on the atrix
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Well if I remember Motorola released a leak where the update gave unlock bootloader so there is still some hope, correct me if I am wrong
romdroid. said:
Well if I remember Motorola released a leak where the update gave unlock bootloader so there is still some hope, correct me if I am wrong
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On the atrix there was a fuse that was burnt to bypass the bootloader. Or something along those lines. Although when i got rid of the atrix all of the development kicked off. Lol
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On the atrix there was a fuse that was burnt to bypass the bootloader. Or something along those lines. Although when i got rid of the atrix all of the development kicked off. Lol
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Haha alright that always happen, when you get rid of something then developers start support it. I can feel you
Alright, I'm tired of this bootloader crap! I need anyone and everyone interested in helping me get this MoPho'in bootloader unlocked on 2.3.5!
We have WAY to many people stuck on GB (after Moto said we'd have ICS ) on this beast of a phone!
Before anyone asks, YES i have the skills to do this, just not enough to do it quickly.
With that said I do bring some skills to the table.
I can program in the Android language and port just about anything anyone can come up with.
I know my tech (to put it short)
Please anyone with the same feeling as me, come help me out in ANY way possible. Even if it's just testing. I would greatly appreciate it!
Please people!
I am not a dev. But I would be glad to help. As a suggestion, Perhaps we could start by finding a solution for unlocking mophos that were factory shipped with 2.35 such as is done with the electrify. It could provide a lot of insight.
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Awesome. I need time to check out the electrify system. I'll post my findings soon
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im not a dev either but if there's anything you need that i can help out with let me know.
Hmm well I learned that sprint was a big reason the BL got locked. The Electrify sbf (Yes i flashed it) is unlockable easily however my radios dont work so i cant have that. I did find some cool things inside the System partition. I rooted it up and got a file browser (ES). The blocks where the BL is has a special file called infooemenc.encf assuming this has to do with our "fastboot oem unlock" command problem. That file however was a fluke. My phone soft reset itself (doesnt like the Electrify rom) and POOF gone... Very suspicious. i had to relock to go back to photon state though
Add me to the crew. I'm happy to help as a dev, or otherwise if we need something else.
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Add me to the crew. I'm happy to help as a dev, or otherwise if we need something else.
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Sweet! The crew is growing! We may be able to get this done!
Could anyone try and help me find the 2.3.5 254_13 sunfire (Sprint) Sbf file i wanna compare the soak to the Electrify unlockable
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Perhaps we could start by finding a solution for unlocking mophos that were factory shipped with 2.35 such as is done with the electrify. It could provide a lot of insight.
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What's funny is that point exactly. We can unlock factory shipped electrifys and ones with the right sbf
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Hmm well I learned that sprint was a big reason the BL got locked. The Electrify sbf (Yes i flashed it) is unlockable easily however my radios dont work so i cant have that. I did find some cool things inside the System partition. I rooted it up and got a file browser (ES). The blocks where the BL is has a special file called infooemenc.encf assuming this has to do with our "fastboot oem unlock" command problem. That file however was a fluke. My phone soft reset itself (doesnt like the Electrify rom) and POOF gone... Very suspicious. i had to relock to go back to photon state though
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wait what?
you do realize the same phone shipped months earlier on a different carrier and was locked? (and then was released later too).
moto's first device to offer unlocking services was a sprint device. rather than jumping on teh locked samsung bandwagon they are still one of teh few companies that have most of their devices unlockable. as well as their tech support doesnt care if you are rooted as if its a software issue they are going to flash stock.
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wait what?
you do realize the same phone shipped months earlier on a different carrier and was locked? (and then was released later too).
moto's first device to offer unlocking services was a sprint device. rather than jumping on teh locked samsung bandwagon they are still one of teh few companies that have most of their devices unlockable. as well as their tech support doesnt care if you are rooted as if its a software issue they are going to flash stock.
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Yes I know but there was a slight difference in the 2.3.5 factory Electrify that somehow caused an exploit (when i said it was easy i meant it was for me)
But still on the current matter we want this BL unlocked and there HAS to be a way! That's why people are joining up. They wanna be out of the hole Moto decided to throw us into. (After lying about ICS)
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Could anyone try and help me find the 2.3.5 254_13 sunfire (Sprint) Sbf file i wanna compare the soak to the Electrify unlockable
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Looking, but also found this along the away:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/photon4g.motorola/files/PHOTON-4G/4.5.1A-1_SUN-254_13/
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Looking, but also fund this along the away:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/photon4g.motorola/files/PHOTON-4G/4.5.1A-1_SUN-254_13/
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This is the Sprint version?! :victory::fingers-crossed:
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wait what?
you do realize the same phone shipped months earlier on a different carrier and was locked? (and then was released later too).
moto's first device to offer unlocking services was a sprint device. rather than jumping on teh locked samsung bandwagon they are still one of teh few companies that have most of their devices unlockable. as well as their tech support doesnt care if you are rooted as if its a software issue they are going to flash stock.
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Oh and also i just dont like how Moto and Sprint are just so mean to us :crying:
No, just files they had to supply as open source.
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No, just files they had to supply as open source.
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Dang I wanna get the full sbf lemme see what files they got here...
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I spy with my little eye a kernel file hehehe wonder what we might do with that??
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Is this the rom you are looking for?
Is this the rom you are looking for?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30332325
To devs:
Instead of trying to find a way to crack the boot loader why can we make a boot able sdcard that works around the bootloader? Like for the nooks the bootloader is still locked but we can run custom ROMs off the sdcard without any problems.. Just a thought..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2063968
Subscribed, glad to see some new action around here.
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