[Q] wifi bands on TouchPad? - TouchPad General

I found the TouchPad listed as having wifi a/b/g/n in some places, b/g/n in other.
Are there different hardware models? Is there any way to check my tablet for the radio bands it has?
Thank you for any assistance.

as long as it has n bands why should it matter?

If it had the "a" band it would be able to use the 5 GHz radio which right now is not as crowded as the 2.4 GHz used by the regular "n" and "b".
Also, for my curiosity...
Does anybody has an answer? Thank you in advance.

I have a WRT610n running DD-WRT and have no wifi issues at all on 5Ghz N. Its rock solid. Haven't tried A and wouldn't bother with it.
--Matt

From the HP Touchpad spec sheet:
Wireless Wi-Fi:5 Dual-band Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n with WPA, WPA2, WEP, 802.1X authentication
Bluetooth:5 Bluetooth wireless technology 2.1 + EDR with A2DP stereo Bluetooth support
There you go, a/b/g/n

Thanks for the replies.
I guess the only way to confirm the "a" band is to force the router's radio on 5 GHz and see if the TouchPad connects...
I was hoping for an app that maybe would show the chip's capabilities.

Though unless your router's in the middle of the house, why would you want to use A ? It's signal strength isn't as good as B / G / N, and it has a much lower range. You're better off using something forcing it to N, since it uses the 5 as well as the 2.4, and offers much faster throughput and sustained connectivity.

ve6ay, thank you for the answer. I live in a small townhouse so range is not a concern, interference on the other hand is. The speed offered by the 802.11a is sufficient for me.
I am just curious - is there a wifi analyzer type of app that will detect the capabilities of the wifi chip inside the TP?

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[Q] Gtab wireless N

Does the Gtab not support wireless N? Or is it Vegan5.1? I have a linksys WRT610N and I have my b/g on the 2.4Ghz and N on the 5Ghz but my Gtab doesn't pick the N SSID. Anyone know why this is?
tcoker79 said:
Does the Gtab not support wireless N? Or is it Vegan5.1? I have a linksys WRT610N and I have my b/g on the 2.4Ghz and N on the 5Ghz but my Gtab doesn't pick the N SSID. Anyone know why this is?
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Nope, its got nothing to do with the rom you are running. The G-Tab is hardware limited to wireless G, no N. I was a little dissapointed by that too when I researched it to buy, but frankly G is fine for streaming vids, music, etc.
Most N routers support dual mode for legacy G devices so I'd suggest turning this on. Additionally if your router does not broadcast its SSID you'll have to manually type it in when setting up the wireless connection on your tab...
tcoker79 said:
Does the Gtab not support wireless N? Or is it Vegan5.1? I have a linksys WRT610N and I have my b/g on the 2.4Ghz and N on the 5Ghz but my Gtab doesn't pick the N SSID. Anyone know why this is?
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My upstairs router is a WRT610N. My GTab works fine with it. The Gtab comes with a single wireless radio (does not support MIMO) that supports the Wireless-N (802.11n) draft standard.
The Gtab will only see the 2.4GHz band, not the 5GHz band.
Butch1326 said:
My upstairs router is a WRT610N. My GTab works fine with it. The Gtab comes with a single wireless radio (does not support MIMO) that supports the Wireless-N (802.11n) draft standard.
The Gtab will only see the 2.4GHz band, not the 5GHz band.
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Oops, you're right, thats what I was trying to say, no 5Ghz frequency.... While it connects fine to my N router, it really isn't true N or any speed near it.
powercrazy said:
Nope, its got nothing to do with the rom you are running. The G-Tab is hardware limited to wireless G, no N. I was a little dissapointed by that too when I researched it to buy, but frankly G is fine for streaming vids, music, etc.
Most N routers support dual mode for legacy G devices so I'd suggest turning this on. Additionally if your router does not broadcast its SSID you'll have to manually type it in when setting up the wireless connection on your tab...
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I have my routers on the 2.4GHz band setup for Wireless-N only, and my Gtab connects to them just fine. Both on my E4200 and my WRT610N.
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Oops, you're right, thats what I was trying to say, no 5Ghz frequency.... While it connects fine to my N router, it really isn't true N or any speed near it.
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Yeah, I only see 72Mbit/second, but someone else reported that they saw 270 Mbit/second connecting to their Netgear router.
I agree with you. I haven't seen the throughput, especially during large file transfers.
So once again the marketing monster strikes. Clearly states wireless N but only in the 2.4 Ghz range. That's fine just wanted to be sure there wasn't something I was missing. Thanks to everyone who replied.
tcoker79 said:
So once again the marketing monster strikes. Clearly states wireless N but only in the 2.4 Ghz range. That's fine just wanted to be sure there wasn't something I was missing. Thanks to everyone who replied.
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N doesnt specify any frequency.
True but when anyone sets up a wireless N router on the 5GHz band only...it will not be found by the G-Tablet. I have mine set up with both 2.4GHz and 5GHz so all of my equipment is covered.
I'm using the WRT310N and I have mine set to Wireless N only.
Standard 20MHz Channel @ 2.412GHz
GTAB Connects.
Hell, if you live in an area where you can use all 14 2.4GHz channels you can even connect on channel 14. A lot less interference.
My gTab can see my N-network but it disconnect immideatly after I try to connect. I have 2 routers; 1 upstairs with N only, an done downstairs with both N & G. I'm mostly upstairs but I have to connect to the G-router which only gives me one bar.. But it works just fine, although full speed N would have been nice for Winamp Wifi-sync and transfering Movies etc
Mine connects to DLink Dir655 2.4Ghz rounter using N protocol but gTab radio definitely not a MIMO one.
Best download speed is about 2.7 - 3.0 MByte per second when using FTP, and only 1.9 - 2.0 MByte per second when using SMB protocol.
My laptop can get upload/download speeds around 9-10 MByte per second using same router and 2.4Ghz MIMO N wireless card.

Wireless N???

The phone says its wireless N able but I can't seem to get it to see my wireless N network over 5GHz. It sees my wireless G network over 2.4GHz fine but not wireless N over 5GHz evidently.
Anyone gotten theirs to connect to N networks? If so what were your configs for channel, and all that if you mind me asking?
I haven't had any issue connecting to wireless n. I'm connected at home, girlfriends and work. My router is channel 11, gf is channel 6. I don't know about work.
Night·Fire said:
I haven't had any issue connecting to wireless n. I'm connected at home, girlfriends and work. My router is channel 11, gf is channel 6. I don't know about work.
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If your on channel 11 then your only on 2.5GHz not 5GHz. do me a favor and while your connected on your Evo3D go into wireless settings and click on the network that your connected to and tell me the speed it shows. Willing to bet its only 65Mbps, which is because your on 2.5GHz and not 5GHz.
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The phone says its wireless N able but I can't seem to get it to see my wireless N network over 5GHz. It sees my wireless G network over 2.4GHz fine but not wireless N over 5GHz evidently.
Anyone gotten theirs to connect to N networks? If so what were your configs for channel, and all that if you mind me asking?
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There is a difference between A/N and B/N.
B/N is 150Mbs + and has better penetration than A/N. You're asking the wrong question.
Yes, you can connect to a B/G/N network. No you cannot connect to a 5.0GHz anything network.
NoSoMo said:
There is a difference between A/N and B/N.
B/N is 150Mbs + and has better penetration than A/N. You're asking the wrong question.
Yes, you can connect to a B/G/N network. No you cannot connect to a 5.0GHz anything network.
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So this has a single antennae then correct just like the Evo4G did which is why it couldn't connect to 5.0GHz networks?
j/w b/c I can't get past 65Mbps on the connection while I thought the 3D had a better wireless card in it than the 4G. Its not my router as I get boost up to 130Mbps on my laptop connected to same SSID at times.
Just a bummer thought we were getting a true wireless N capable phone.
This makes me wonder even more why they took out N capability in the Evo4G update and never added N to the spec sheet.
A single antenna is not what makes it 2.4GHz vs 5GHz. The single antenna basically limits it to Wireless N, 150Mbps vs 300Mbps. The 5GHz is just the frequency that it travels over, and most mobile devices won't do 5Ghz, and will only have a single antenna.
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A single antenna is not what makes it 2.4GHz vs 5GHz. The single antenna basically limits it to Wireless N, 150Mbps vs 300Mbps. The 5GHz is just the frequency that it travels over, and most mobile devices won't do 5Ghz, and will only have a single antenna.
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So your able to connect over 2.4GHz freq and your evo3d shows its connected at 150Mbps??
I have a top of line netgear full dual band router here so I know its not that, esp seeing as my pc connects at 150Mbps over the 2.4GHz band. I'm checking this by just clicking on the SSID after connected on the Evo3D, or checking Status on my PC's connection.
Dont get why I'm always showing 65Mbps on the Evo3D. Would of thought that since they are publishing that they support Wireless N as opposed to the Evo4G who only had 1 antennae, that I would connect at higher speed than the Evo4G. did
sgt. slaughter said:
So your able to connect over 2.4GHz freq and your evo3d shows its connected at 150Mbps??
I have a top of line netgear full dual band router here so I know its not that, esp seeing as my pc connects at 150Mbps over the 2.4GHz band. I'm checking this by just clicking on the SSID after connected on the Evo3D, or checking Status on my PC's connection.
Dont get why I'm always showing 65Mbps on the Evo3D. Would of thought that since they are publishing that they support Wireless N as opposed to the Evo4G who only had 1 antennae, that I would connect at higher speed than the Evo4G. did
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There's nothing more misleading than the whole "link speed". I've never seen an actual 150Mbs off of my A/N "300Mbs" connection, and that's with the laptop sitting 4ft from the router. The phone can't utilize anywhere near that bandwidth, and I'm willing to bet that even if your internet is several MB/s, you won't actually find a website to give you more than 1.2MB/s. Microsoft is one of the few that I know of that can really dish the data out.....but how often are you downloading massive updates?
NoSoMo said:
There's nothing more misleading than the whole "link speed". I've never seen an actual 150Mbs off of my A/N "300Mbs" connection, and that's with the laptop sitting 4ft from the router. The phone can't utilize anywhere near that bandwidth, and I'm willing to bet that even if your internet is several MB/s, you won't actually find a website to give you more than 1.2MB/s. Microsoft is one of the few that I know of that can really dish the data out.....but how often are you downloading massive updates?
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Not concerned with internet speed and more so looking at my internal network speeds for file transfers and such.
I get that it can be missleading but do not get that if the Evo4G which has a less powerful card than the 3D evidently that the 4G and 3D show the same link speeds.
I prob need to check the specs on each phones card really though the more i think about it b/c most i have been going off of is word of mouth like the 4G only having 1 antennae and such. No clue if the 3D has 2 or not.
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Not concerned with internet speed and more so looking at my internal network speeds for file transfers and such.
I get that it can be missleading but do not get that if the Evo4G which has a less powerful card than the 3D evidently that the 4G and 3D show the same link speeds.
I prob need to check the specs on each phones card really though the more i think about it b/c most i have been going off of is word of mouth like the 4G only having 1 antennae and such. No clue if the 3D has 2 or not.
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You'll probably find that the WiFi and BlueTooth antenna are shared....and if a phone has an FM rx, it too will use that antenna. Not likely to find a cellular with dual WLAN antennas.....they're not really built to be a dedicated WIFI anything.
If you're concerned about xfer rates on the phone, yank the SD card out and put it in a reader. That's the fastest way to get data to the phone, followed by hooking up the phone via USB. The phone has no use for WLAN data rates above 15Mb/s. If you're transferring movie files, use the USB connection method. Outside of that, don't sweat it. I honestly couldn't see someone moving GBs worth of data on a constant basis with the phone.....and if you are, sounds like you should look at something with larger storage like a Tablet PC.
NoSoMo said:
You'll probably find that the WiFi and BlueTooth antenna are shared....and if a phone has an FM rx, it too will use that antenna. Not likely to find a cellular with dual WLAN antennas.....they're not really built to be a dedicated WIFI anything.
If you're concerned about xfer rates on the phone, yank the SD card out and put it in a reader. That's the fastest way to get data to the phone, followed by hooking up the phone via USB. The phone has no use for WLAN data rates above 15Mb/s. If you're transferring movie files, use the USB connection method. Outside of that, don't sweat it. I honestly couldn't see someone moving GBs worth of data on a constant basis with the phone.....and if you are, sounds like you should look at something with larger storage like a Tablet PC.
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I hear ya im aware of outside options. I just thought that since this phone is supporting wireless N fully then the link speeds would be able to be higher than the link speed on the 4G.
But again like i said before i really need to get down to it and look at the documentation of the chips used on the 4G and 3D to see what differences there are.
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NVM makes sense now. both phones have the same Broadcom chip inside. the Broadcom BCM4329.
BUT whats odd is that from what i read that chip only supports bluetooth 2.1 while we supposedly have 3.0 on this phone. Also interesting is the chip supports 5GHz dual band. here
I don't think my 3D has connected to 5GHz on my home network. I have a dual-band N router, and I have 5GHz as the primary, so my laptop and media player connect to that immediately.
I only noticed my 3D on the 2.4GHz part of my network. I haven't tried manually connecting it to the 5GHz band, but if it could, I would have assumed that it would automatically.
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NVM makes sense now. both phones have the same Broadcom chip inside. the Broadcom BCM4329.
BUT whats odd is that from what i read that chip only supports bluetooth 2.1 while we supposedly have 3.0 on this phone. Also interesting is the chip supports 5GHz dual band. here
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Well, when it comes to "N", there are several factors that come into play. One, the wireless chip MAY be able to support the A frequencies, you're talking about additional code to make it work with rest of the phone. Antenna isn't an issue since 2.4 is half of 5.0. A 1/2 wavelength 2.4GHz antenna, is about a full length 5GHz antenna if memory serves me correctly (that and the 36hrs I've been up). Another thing that comes into play as far as the bandwidth is concerned is channel width. There is also MIMO too....but the phones will be basic of basic. The fact that N support is enabled is surprising, but it's most likely just a selling point. It supports the most basic N, with the smallest channel width, and clearly MIMO isn't supported. Routers can be configured to B or G or N only, sometimes combos of them as well. I use DDWRT on my routers and it allows virtually everything to be manipulated. Either way though, there is a lot of features to cram into the small area that is the cellphone, and if you ever take a look at a full featured ABGN mini pci-e WLAN card, you will see that there is still a decent size to it when all the features are present.
Ok, I think that's about all I can add to the topic, LOL
N is the technology that delivers faster then G speeds using MIMO packets.
A is the technology that frees up the crowding of B/G Networks by running on 5GHZ as opposed to 2.4GHZ
BGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ spectrum capable of running the N packets.
ABG Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running the B/G packets.
ABGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running BGN packets.
It's retarded how they label it. LOL but you can run N on 2.4 spectrum or 5GHZ spectrum.
Most mobile devices only see 2.4GHZ spectrum since they only have one antenna.
darkflame said:
N is the technology that delivers faster then G speeds using MIMO packets.
A is the technology that frees up the crowding of B/G Networks by running on 5GHZ as opposed to 2.4GHZ
BGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ spectrum capable of running the N packets.
ABG Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running the B/G packets.
ABGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running BGN packets.
It's retarded how they label it. LOL but you can run N on 2.4 spectrum or 5GHZ spectrum.
Most mobile devices only see 2.4GHZ spectrum since they only have one antenna.
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Actually, abg means that it can use the 802.11a, 802.11b, or the 802.11g standard, and abgn adds 802.11n. 802.11A is a very different standard than N, and is incompatible with the others, whereas B, G, and N are forwards and backwards compatible, except for N going over a 5Ghz signal, which still isn't compatible with A.
All that said, I'm pretty sure that this phone will only support 802.11n over 2.4GHz at 150Mbps. I don't have the phone yet, but I'm basing this off the fact that nearly all portable devices that use 802.11n are that way. At least I haven't seen one that is capable of either using 5GHz, or 300Mbps.
My EVO 3D does NOT see my 5 GHz N network.
ZachPA said:
My EVO 3D does NOT see my 5 GHz N network.
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I have the exact same issue. My laptop sees my 5ghz ssid, but my MT4G doesn't. The weird thing is, I've flashed several ROMS to my phone, and none see it. I did however, flash the stock ROM (froyo 2.2.1) today for the sh*ts and giggles of it, and it saw the N ssid! WTF.

[Q] 5 Ghz WiFi enabled device?

Hello,
as I've read on the net, i9100 should be a dualband wifi device. 2.4 Ghz AND 5 Ghz ought to be supported.
I that true? Is someone actually using 5 Ghz-only mode or was that just marketing buzz?
greetings
No, it doesn´t connect to 5GHz WLAN
How could I control it ? I don't have anything related to it in my settings' panel ^^'
LightspeedGalaxy said:
No, it doesn´t connect to 5GHz WLAN
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it does, i´m using it once in a while
sewe said:
it does, i´m using it once in a while
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You are right! I just tried that, and it works just fine.
Thanks for your answers. But which one is correct?
Did you set your Wifi-AP to IEEE 802.11a which is 5Ghz or to 802.11n, which uses 2.4 AND 5 Ghz?
Please some more details. Right now the possibility for dualband is still just 66%
greetings
My case :
My house Router Setting - 2.4ghz band for Wireless G and 5ghz band for Wireless N... Both worked with my phone. But G on 2.4ghz more stable (most of the time 3bar or more), fot N on 5ghz sometime no network coverage.
My router : DLink Quadband DIR825
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App
I'm using Apple's Time Capsule with both 5 Ghz N and 2.4 Ghz G and N.
As usual 5Ghz is faster but weaker in signal strength.
Yarymo said:
How could I control it ? I don't have anything related to it in my settings' panel ^^'
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I tried to set my router to 5GHz mode, and it wouldn´t find the WLAN even if I´m standing next to the Router.
I only tried 802.11n, not 802.11a.
But as others said differently I may give it another try. My Firmware is still KE2, maybe the updated the WLAN-driver later?
I´d actually would like to be able to use 5GHz, as there are quite a few 2,4GHz WLANs next to me, so bandwidth isn´t always the best.
So, whats the case now? Are there several different Hardware/Softwarelayouts on the market or why are there these differences?
Can someone confirm that pure 5GHz wifi works or not, based on trial and error, and post his Firmware-details?
Greetings,
Fenrasa
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i googled something VERY interesting:
[Firmware] I9100XXKG1 (Android 2.3.4) (05.07.2011) is supposed to be able to connect to 5GHz Wifis. Can someone try it out and confirm it?
Another poster to the thread wrote, that "KE2 and 7" ought to connect to 5GHz wifi as well.
SOURCE: --cant post link yet, need 8 posts ---
No people some ROM's supporting some NOT !!
Example: Stock Rom -supporting!
and LeoMar75 Rom Revolution
My EU device with KE7 ROM does connect to 5GHz on my WNDR3700 router. IIRC I had to make the SSID visible to make the original connection; once the connection was set up, I then reset the SSID to hidden.
Allright!
Samsung Galaxy S2 i9100 on I9100XXKE7 logged into my 5GHz Wifi. (Buildnummer GINGERBREAD.XWKE7)
Thank you all for your help!
Just a follow up question to this:
It appears the GS2 does have 5ghz support at least to some degree.
Is this 802.11a 5ghz, or 802.11n 5ghz, or both? And on a side-note, what's the fastest speed you've got it to negotiate with wifi? On my Galaxy S, even with 802.11n and 10 feet away from my router, I usually max out at 72 mbps.
It definitely supports 802.11n at 5 GHz, as that's how I connect to my home network. I have no idea how fast the link is -- never bothered to check.
Now that I'm at home, I just connected to my 5 GHz 802.11n, and the link speed reported by the SGS2 is 65 Mbps, the same speed I get connecting at 2.4 GHz. I'm sitting about 2 meters from my access point, and the 5 GHz signal strength is only "good", as opposed to "excellent" for the 2.4 GHz.
3waygeek said:
It definitely supports 802.11n at 5 GHz, as that's how I connect to my home network. I have no idea how fast the link is -- never bothered to check.
Now that I'm at home, I just connected to my 5 GHz 802.11n, and the link speed reported by the SGS2 is 65 Mbps, the same speed I get connecting at 2.4 GHz. I'm sitting about 2 meters from my access point, and the 5 GHz signal strength is only "good", as opposed to "excellent" for the 2.4 GHz.
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Interesting, thanks 3waygeek! Glad to hear 5Ghz appears to work with 802.11n.
*Bump*
Anyone else have any experience/input?
5ghz works here too, speeds seem to be faster( not that they matter on real life conditions) but signal ill always be weaker for 5ghz as it doesn't penetrate walls and such as well as 2.4
Sent from Samsung Galaxy S2 on TELUS.
I am quite confused about the statements here regarding the signal ranges of a....n..
can somebody have a look at "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11" they give the largest ranges for ...n signals. The only thing I can confirm is that yes, I can connect to all: a... and ...n..
Well it may be useful to gather a collection of working/not working stats together to find the best rom/kernel/modem combos.
NOT working (5GHz network not detected, Time Capsule with separate named 5GHz channel, picked up fine by Macbook Pro):
ROM: VillainROM 2.4.2
Kernel: 2.6.35.11 ninphetamine 2.0.5, and also 2.1.3
Modem: XXKG6
ROM: LeoMar75 2.6 - XXKH3
Kernel: 2.6.35.11 ninphetamine 2.1.3
Modem: XXKH3
well, for those who can't connect to 5Ghz band, try to adjust channel setting on your router may solve the problem.
My S2 only supports 36-48 channels currently, and I can't find any region option in the setting menu.
BTW, yes, the 5Ghz signaling strength is not as good as 2.4Ghz. However, the trasmission rate (or efficiency) is much better than 2.4Ghz due to less interfere.

Does the NT have wireless n?

All the specs claim the Nook Tablet and Color Nook have 802.11n. But I can't see any of my n access points on either device, either in the wifi setup, or in tools such as wi-finder.
So do these support wireless n? If so, how do I use it?
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All the specs claim the Nook Tablet and Color Nook have 802.11n. But I can't see any of my n access points on either device, either in the wifi setup, or in tools such as wi-finder.
So do these support wireless n? If so, how do I use it?
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Hmm...what WAP (wireless access point) device do you have? i.e. model.
In other words, when you say 'any of your n access points', what device
are those declared on?
And, are you saying you CAN get on in 'G' mode, but just NOT in 'N' mode?
Or, that you can't get on your wifi at all?
I'm pretty sure that my router is set to N only and I have no issue connecting. I have a Netgear WNR3500L.
I have a WNDR3700. It is set up for both G and N, with different SSIDs. G works fine, but I cannot see any of the (non-hidden) N SSIDs.
I believe it is has 802.11n but only on 2.4 ghz networks, not 5.0 ghz networks.
The NT, like most other mobile toys, have 802.11n 2.4GHz. Hence its "b/g/n" designation. It does not have 802.11n 5.0GHz aka dual-band. Tabs that are dual-band are designated as "a/b/g/n". iPad, Samsung GT 10/8.9/7+, Xoom, have dual-band. Most tabs only have 2.4GHz.
Sounds like your 3700 is set up for N to use 5GHz band, and G using 2.4GHz. That's fine. Throughput should be the same when using 2.4GHz, whether it's G or N. Ignore the reported link rate. But if you must have that N letter, then set your 2.4GHz radio to N as well.
@liquidzoo
>I have a Netgear WNR3500L.
The WNR3500L is a single-band (2.4GHz) router. The 'D' in WNDR3700 stands for dual-band, as in "wireless network dual-band router".
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@liquidzoo
>I have a Netgear WNR3500L.
The WNR3500L is a single-band (2.4GHz) router. The 'D' in WNDR3700 stands for dual-band, as in "wireless network dual-band router".
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True, however there was nothing (at the time) that specified whether it was dual or single band N that was being talked about.
It was the cheapest gigabit wireless router that I could find. No reason to upgrade right now.

Wireless N or Wireless G?

Ok guys I read somewhere in here that the Prime did not play nice with Wireless N so here is what I did using my D-link wireless router:
Changed wireless settings from N to G only and ran some tests here is what i got:
WiFi Analyzer - -50/-44 dbm
Speedtest.net- Ping 17ms 8275dn and 2125up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - it now can see 9 sats and lock to them but the signal is still very poor (between 10 /20 SNR) so the navigation dops the signal but IT CAN SEE THE SATS!
Changed wireless G to N and this is what I got:
WiFi Analyzer - -61/58 dbm ( the lower the number the better the signal)
Speedtest.net- Ping 72ms 6420dn and 1233up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - 0 sats
Changed the wireless N to N+G and this is what I got:
WiFi Analyzer - -55/50 dbm
Speedtest.net- Ping 24ms 8225dn and 1790up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - It can see 4 sats but wont lock
What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
Can anyone else confirm and post? Thanks
>What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
It shouldn't matter. N's main advance over G is its MIMO transmission, 5GHz inclusion, and doubled bandwidth (40MHz) mode (some turbo-G versions have channel bonding, but they were proprietary and not interoperable between brands). The Prime has a single xmit/2 rcv ant (nix MIMO), single-band (nix 5GHz), and only works with 20MHz bandwidth. You should not notice a difference between N and G wrt the Prime. In fact, as the majority of wifi in laptops and PCs are of the cheaper single-band variety, this applies to those as well.
Many early N routers are draft-N, and N mode can be problematic, especially in mixed mode use. That's probably why some people noticed an improvement when they switched to G. Many people also use TKIP in WPA/WPA2, which also leads to slowdowns.
To answer your question directly, sure, change the various settings and see if they make a difference. But if you get an improvement in G over N, it probably means you should upgrade to a newer router--or at least find an updated firmware if one is available. The improvement would apply to other devices and not just the Prime.
BTW, since wireless performance is highly variable, you would want to take a number of tests and take the avg, rather than rely on a single reading.
That was a helpful post E.mote, thank you.
e.mote said:
>What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
It shouldn't matter. N's main advance over G is its MIMO transmission, 5GHz inclusion, and doubled bandwidth (40MHz) mode (some turbo-G versions have channel bonding, but they were proprietary and not interoperable between brands). The Prime has a single xmit/2 rcv ant (nix MIMO), single-band (nix 5GHz), and only works with 20MHz bandwidth. You should not notice a difference between N and G wrt the Prime. In fact, as the majority of wifi in laptops and PCs are of the cheaper single-band variety, this applies to those as well.
Many early N routers are draft-N, and N mode can be problematic, especially in mixed mode use. That's probably why some people noticed an improvement when they switched to G. Many people also use TKIP in WPA/WPA2, which also leads to slowdowns.
To answer your question directly, sure, change the various settings and see if they make a difference. But if you get an improvement in G over N, it probably means you should upgrade to a newer router--or at least find an updated firmware if one is available. The improvement would apply to other devices and not just the Prime.
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or maybe is one more thing that the primes have wrong with them...don't get me wrong I love my prime and I DO NOT WANT TO GET RID OF IT i just wish there were some answers to all of our questions or maybe i should stay away from all the forums and pretend that there is nothing wrong with it and the $500 was money well spent. Thanks for your input
router is 2 weeks old and it has the latest firmware. (first thing i checked) the post does say Average.
Wireless N 5Ghz is so overhyped n overrated. It get less range than the 2 4Ghz band.
Read this tech article that shows how most people got scammed by 5Ghz band hype.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
demandarin said:
Wireless N 5Ghz is so overhyped n overrated. It get less range than the 2 4Ghz band.
Read this tech article that shows how most people got scammed by 5Ghz band hype.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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I work in IT field and deal with plenty of routers I will take G over N any day range is always much better which explains why Prime works so much better with G because of the aluminum backplate blocking some of the Wi-Fi signal the range isn't as good as your everyday Wi-Fi device dead spots about 10 ft difference.
Maybe this doesn't apply to some but with wireless g my speed tests are at about 15-20mbs and with N its the full 36-42 mbs. So if your internet is slower than 20mbs g is probally fine but I NEED n to work to get the most out of my connection.
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So ive got 20mb internet and have the virgin media hub, wireless connection is awful upstairs, do i go with n or g and is the prime not compatible at all with n
The Prime operates in the 2.4ghz band, forget the 5ghz, it will do nothing for your Prime, I also made tests to my network and disconnected the 5ghz band after getting results like the OP. ATM, my network operates G only and I'm getting great results.
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So ive got 20mb internet and have the virgin media hub, wireless connection is awful upstairs, do i go with n or g and is the prime not compatible at all with n
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I would definitely go with wireless N. If you have problems like very slow speeds switch back to G.
The prime seems to support wireless N speeds up 65 mbs.
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>with wireless g my speed tests are at about 15-20mbs and with N its the full 36-42 mbs.
N has better throughput and range, assuming good antennas on both ends that allow for MIMO/dual-stream use. G is needed for legacy pre-N devices. I use both.
>wireless connection is awful upstairs
Options to boost wifi in your home:
. Try a different router. Routers can vary in performance.
. Repeater (old router retrofitted with DD-WRT firmware) to extend your router's range. Repeaters aren't common as consumer products nowaday, since they need some knowledge to set up.
. Powerline adapters (pair). These are convenient but relatively expensive. Advertised for ~200Mb/s, but more realistically 100-150. They're getting more common; most vendors have a line. Performance depends on house electrical wiring.
. MoCA adapters, assuming house is wired for cable-TV (RG-6 coax). These can also be expensive, but you can hunt around for older stuff on eBay for cheap. It's more reliable than powerline.
I dropped 802.11g long ago like it was hot like I did 802.11b before it.
802.11n is now, the Transformer prime supports all of them and changing wireless broadcast to anything lower than N is just to give you less of what's current and best.
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I dropped 802.11g long ago like it was hot like I did 802.11b before it.
802.11n is now, the Transformer prime supports all of them and changing wireless broadcast to anything lower than N is just to give you less of what's current and best.
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Not really if the devices you own don't "see" the 5ghz frequency, only but the newest electronics operate on that band, you Prime don't for example, and it's new.
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After reading this I was interested to see if this was having any effect. I tried several different settings:
G - only
N - 20MHz (single channel)
and N - 40Mhz (channel bonding)
I found that by far the best setting was single channel N. I've gone from having virtually no usable connection in parts of my house, to a usable throughput in all parts of the house. Also did some tests using WiFi analyser and speedtest.net and found consistently higher throughput and signal strength using this setting.
My conclusion, it seems to have a problem with wireless N channel bonding.
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Not really if the devices you own don't "see" the 5ghz frequency, only but the newest electronics operate on that band, you Prime don't for example, and it's new.
Cheers
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I don't have a dual band N router but if I did I wouldn't set it to operate in 5Ghz only mode, I would keep it functioning as a dual band mode so both 2.4 and 5 Ghz bands were active for complete 802.11n functionality.
That way all my N devices would see the N broadcast.
That's the point, I do have a dual band router, I tested the network with both frequencies on, and disconnected the 5ghz band after testing the 2.4ghz alone, the network signal is weaker with both on.
If you stream alot of video and have devices capable of taking advantage of the higher frequency, very well, if you don't or don't stream that much video anyway, having the 5ghz on, doesn't make any sense. In my case, weakens my signal, it works for me to shut it down, maybe for others this doesn't apply.
Signal strength depends of so many factors, the environment where a network is set, strongly dictates the outcome in performance and stability of it, no network behaves the same. My network is working in top condition for the environment around it, that's what it matters for me.
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