Eclipse vs CM7DX2 - Motorola Droid X2

So, i'm running Eclipse 2.0 on my DX2 right now, and i flashed it after trying CM7. CM7 was great, but felt sluggish at times (admittedly I don't believe that I had the "allow purging of assets" enabled at the time either). So after flashing the brand new Eclipse 2.0, I felt like Eclipse was so much more complete, even though it is blur-based. Now, however, after about 3 weeks it's getting sluggish at random times for no reason. There's no apparently eating up the CPU. I always have 80+ MBs of RAM (I'm running Supercharger V6 with the middle (unleaded?) option for 512mb devices selected). I can't seem to pinpoint the problem. So here's where I pose 2 questions:
Eclipse or CM7DX2 (and your reasoning, if you can)
And any ideas on the sluggish performance? I've had this happen on previous ROMs too (older Eclipse models and stock gingerbread w/ bloat removed). I always SBF and wipe data/cache before each fresh ROM install.
Thanks!
Eclipsed from my DX2

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Boardwalk30 said:
So, i'm running Eclipse 2.0 on my DX2 right now, and i flashed it after trying CM7. CM7 was great, but felt sluggish at times (admittedly I don't believe that I had the "allow purging of assets" enabled at the time either). So after flashing the brand new Eclipse 2.0, I felt like Eclipse was so much more complete, even though it is blur-based. Now, however, after about 3 weeks it's getting sluggish at random times for no reason. There's no apparently eating up the CPU. I always have 80+ MBs of RAM (I'm running Supercharger V6 with the middle (unleaded?) option for 512mb devices selected). I can't seem to pinpoint the problem. So here's where I pose 2 questions:
Eclipse or CM7DX2 (and your reasoning, if you can)
And any ideas on the sluggish performance? I've had this happen on previous ROMs too (older Eclipse models and stock gingerbread w/ bloat removed). I always SBF and wipe data/cache before each fresh ROM install.
Thanks!
Eclipsed from my DX2
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Wow, I'm really surprised to hear Eclipse is running sluggishly. I've been running it for a while now and it's completely reliable, the epitome of a "daily driver". Are you running any funky apps or getting apps from fringe markets?

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I've found either one can get sluggish, especially if you have a ton of apps loaded.
What I've been doing now is rebooting daily. I'm also running Fast Reboot Pro, which is really more of a "soft" reboot - it doesn't really reboot the phone, per se, but instead it "simulates" a reboot by stopping many services and programs that wouldn't be running at start up.
I myself have a lot of apps installed. I should probably go and remove them, but for some reason, I like to have them loaded (mainly games) just in case I want to play them. OCD anyone?
In any case, I was running CM7 and I'm now running Eclipse 2.1. I've found that I've had the problems in either one which required a reboot. I just switched to Eclipse 2.1 because I found it a wee-bit more stable (no Superuser issues like in CM7) and Eclipse 2.1 has a even more Motoblur crap removed. It's just as responsive as CM7 IMHO.
But, in any case, a daily reboot will fix things and I'm hearing from many that this is almost global across the board with any ROM for the DX2. I think what really hurts the DX2 is the 512mb of main memory. Just pitiful compared to other phones out there.
I've also found running V6 Turbocharger scripts (the latest) helps as well. I've enabled options 6 and 20. Now, this is fine for Eclipse, but you don't want to run it with CM7. At least, that's what I've been told.
Anyways, when I find things get sluggish, I run the Fast Reboot Pro AND, since I'm running Go Launcher EX, I'll got into the "Running Programs" tab in the app drawer and close all the apps in there as well.
If that doesn't help, I then run V6 TC and run option 18 (which recoups RAM and kills lag). If that doesn't help, then I will reboot.
I also forgot to mention, I also use an application called Autostarts. It allows you to choose which apps start up based on a system event (during startup, after startup, USB connection/disconnect, WiFi status change, etc). I've found that a LOT of apps that I've installed start up on some various events. Many games apparently like to connect when they sense there is a data connection present, so I've turned those off. I only want the apps running when I actually launch them. With Autostarts, I have been able to finely control what apps start and when, which has helped as well.

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go into BSR and wipe cache and dalvik cache
lemme know if that clears up Ya,lag
it worked for someone else and I've used that method before to clear up lagging issues...
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also, you know eclipse has a 2.1 version out now correct?
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iBolski said:
I've found either one can get sluggish, especially if you have a ton of apps loaded.
What I've been doing now is rebooting daily. I'm also running Fast Reboot Pro, which is really more of a "soft" reboot - it doesn't really reboot the phone, per se, but instead it "simulates" a reboot by stopping many services and programs that wouldn't be running at start up.
I myself have a lot of apps installed. I should probably go and remove them, but for some reason, I like to have them loaded (mainly games) just in case I want to play them. OCD anyone?
In any case, I was running CM7 and I'm now running Eclipse 2.1. I've found that I've had the problems in either one which required a reboot. I just switched to Eclipse 2.1 because I found it a wee-bit more stable (no Superuser issues like in CM7) and Eclipse 2.1 has a even more Motoblur crap removed. It's just as responsive as CM7 IMHO.
But, in any case, a daily reboot will fix things and I'm hearing from many that this is almost global across the board with any ROM for the DX2. I think what really hurts the DX2 is the 512mb of main memory. Just pitiful compared to other phones out there.
I've also found running V6 Turbocharger scripts (the latest) helps as well. I've enabled options 6 and 20. Now, this is fine for Eclipse, but you don't want to run it with CM7. At least, that's what I've been told.
Anyways, when I find things get sluggish, I run the Fast Reboot Pro AND, since I'm running Go Launcher EX, I'll got into the "Running Programs" tab in the app drawer and close all the apps in there as well.
If that doesn't help, I then run V6 TC and run option 18 (which recoups RAM and kills lag). If that doesn't help, then I will reboot.
I also forgot to mention, I also use an application called Autostarts. It allows you to choose which apps start up based on a system event (during startup, after startup, USB connection/disconnect, WiFi status change, etc). I've found that a LOT of apps that I've installed start up on some various events. Many games apparently like to connect when they sense there is a data connection present, so I've turned those off. I only want the apps running when I actually launch them. With Autostarts, I have been able to finely control what apps start and when, which has helped as well.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement, they are nearly equals in every respect except for SU and most of the time it depends on the user. You will have your own opinions of what you like and dislike in a ROM.
I have always liked Cyanogenmod and I have nothing against Eclipse, it was something that really saved the X2 for me, I was super POed when I found that there was so little to be done with my phone last August when I upgraded to it.
IMHO I would stick with Eclipse just because it is more stable, Cyanogen was a great release from the norm of Moto based ROMS but it is missing a few things since we cannot build it specifically for our phone as easily as everyone else.
Personally though, I hate you guys for being able to flash things right now and I really, really cannot wait for this F-ing soak to come through so I can either join you on 2.1 or have a really fancy paper weight.....

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I've been running Eclipse for months, 2.1 for a few weeks now, best version yet. I run it with the build prop mash up, its always fast and responsive. However there are a couple things I do to help ensure that.
1. I schedule "Clear cache for user & system apps" in TB to run daily at 4:30 AM while I'm sleeping which is 30 minutes after my daily backup runs. After the cache clean it reboots. When I get up at 5:30 its usually quick and responsive all day.
2. Use the Moto performance manager built into Eclipse parts, schedule things that you don't want or need running in the background to auto-end (kills the app 2 minutes after the screen shuts off) This really helps with battery life as well, I can usually get 20+ hours of light/moderate use and it helps manage those apps that like to turn themselves on in the background.
3. I use Avast for security, but I also use the firewall feature to restrict network access of games & apps that don't need it.
4. I keep any apps/games I don't use regularly uninstalled, which I can quickly restore from TB if I need them. That seems to really help to as my wife had every free app of the day from amazon installed on hers and it was constantly locking/freezing. she cleaned most of them up and did the auto-end trick and hers has come back to life.
These are just suggestions but I've been using them for months now and they really work well to maximize the X2 as much as we can given the restrictions we have on it. Goodluck.

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iBolski said:
I've found either one can get sluggish, especially if you have a ton of apps loaded.
What I've been doing now is rebooting daily. I'm also running Fast Reboot Pro, which is really more of a "soft" reboot - it doesn't really reboot the phone, per se, but instead it "simulates" a reboot by stopping many services and programs that wouldn't be running at start up.
I myself have a lot of apps installed. I should probably go and remove them, but for some reason, I like to have them loaded (mainly games) just in case I want to play them. OCD anyone?
In any case, I was running CM7 and I'm now running Eclipse 2.1. I've found that I've had the problems in either one which required a reboot. I just switched to Eclipse 2.1 because I found it a wee-bit more stable (no Superuser issues like in CM7) and Eclipse 2.1 has a even more Motoblur crap removed. It's just as responsive as CM7 IMHO.
But, in any case, a daily reboot will fix things and I'm hearing from many that this is almost global across the board with any ROM for the DX2. I think what really hurts the DX2 is the 512mb of main memory. Just pitiful compared to other phones out there.
I've also found running V6 Turbocharger scripts (the latest) helps as well. I've enabled options 6 and 20. Now, this is fine for Eclipse, but you don't want to run it with CM7. At least, that's what I've been told.
Anyways, when I find things get sluggish, I run the Fast Reboot Pro AND, since I'm running Go Launcher EX, I'll got into the "Running Programs" tab in the app drawer and close all the apps in there as well.
If that doesn't help, I then run V6 TC and run option 18 (which recoups RAM and kills lag). If that doesn't help, then I will reboot.
I also forgot to mention, I also use an application called Autostarts. It allows you to choose which apps start up based on a system event (during startup, after startup, USB connection/disconnect, WiFi status change, etc). I've found that a LOT of apps that I've installed start up on some various events. Many games apparently like to connect when they sense there is a data connection present, so I've turned those off. I only want the apps running when I actually launch them. With Autostarts, I have been able to finely control what apps start and when, which has helped as well.
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iBolski, the similarities between yours and my "phone management" techniques scare me lol.
pretty much everything you have said I do as well, including leaving games installed just in case I wanna play one day lmao
I just wanted to add to the point you made about rebooting once every day, this is something that it's not only recommended for the Dx2 but for ALL, Android powered phones in general, I do believe it is also written in the "manual", that comes with the devices, kinda like how a PC needs a reboot once in a while, Android benefits from a reboot once a day as well, allows it to drop system caches that have built up and are hanging around and such,
that fast reboot app I have also used in the past, but nothing compares to an, accrual power cycle of the device, I will even go ahead and wipe cache from Android recovery as well once every couple days,
our set UPS are most likely extremely similar and I've found I get pretty damn near the most I can get out of this x2, I feel like the only thing else I could benefit from is a new kernel, as I've pretty much tweaked this thing to the max I can get while locked down

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ashclepdia said:
iBolski, the similarities between yours and my "phone management" techniques scare me lol.
pretty much everything you have said I do as well, including leaving games installed just in case I wanna play one day lmao
I just wanted to add to the point you made about rebooting once every day, this is something that it's not only recommended for the Dx2 but for ALL, Android powered phones in general, I do believe it is also written in the "manual", that comes with the devices, kinda like how a PC needs a reboot once in a while, Android benefits from a reboot once a day as well, allows it to drop system caches that have built up and are hanging around and such,
that fast reboot app I have also used in the past, but nothing compares to an, accrual power cycle of the device, I will even go ahead and wipe cache from Android recovery as well once every couple days,
our set UPS are most likely extremely similar and I've found I get pretty damn near the most I can get out of this x2, I feel like the only thing else I could benefit from is a new kernel, as I've pretty much tweaked this thing to the max I can get while locked down
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I think we're so similar due to the fact that I've seen you tell people to do this, so I'm just following your instructions. Scary, huh?
Also, Orange Terror gave a great tip that I didn't even know existed in Titanium Backup Pr. Goes to show you can always learn something new since I've used TBU for about two years now. I've gone in and set up a schedule to clear user and app cache and reboot the system every day around 4 am. At 3 am, I have it backup and upload to my Box account. Now I don't have to worry about doing that myself or missing a backup.
But I think the big thing that has helped me out now is also the Autostarts app. Going through and having it ensure certain apps don't launch under various scenarios has definitely caused my phone to be MUCH more responsive now.
Like you, it's allowed this crap X2 to actually be functional, along with Eclipse 2.1 and/or CM7. With DZK and Nitro, I'm not sure where this phone would be. Probably thrown against the wall and shattered into a million pieces!

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iBolski said:
I think we're so similar due to the fact that I've seen you tell people to do this, so I'm just following your instructions. Scary, huh?
Also, Orange Terror gave a great tip that I didn't even know existed in Titanium Backup Pr. Goes to show you can always learn something new since I've used TBU for about two years now. I've gone in and set up a schedule to clear user and app cache and reboot the system every day around 4 am. At 3 am, I have it backup and upload to my Box account. Now I don't have to worry about doing that myself or missing a backup.
But I think the big thing that has helped me out now is also the Autostarts app. Going through and having it ensure certain apps don't launch under various scenarios has definitely caused my phone to be MUCH more responsive now.
Like you, it's allowed this crap X2 to actually be functional, along with Eclipse 2.1 and/or CM7. With DZK and Nitro, I'm not sure where this phone would be. Probably thrown against the wall and shattered into a million pieces!
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Amen to that. Thanks to Nitro, DZK and anyone that has contributed something.
I've been trying to start synching to box through TBU recently, but I can't schedule it to run automatically and when I try to run it manually after an hour its at like 20%, and I'm doing it on wifi. And it won't upload to my dropbox account at all, just sits there. Any suggestions?

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iBolski said:
I think we're so similar due to the fact that I've seen you tell people to do this, so I'm just following your instructions. Scary, huh?
Also, Orange Terror gave a great tip that I didn't even know existed in Titanium Backup Pr. Goes to show you can always learn something new since I've used TBU for about two years now. I've gone in and set up a schedule to clear user and app cache and reboot the system every day around 4 am. At 3 am, I have it backup and upload to my Box account. Now I don't have to worry about doing that myself or missing a backup.
But I think the big thing that has helped me out now is also the Autostarts app. Going through and having it ensure certain apps don't launch under various scenarios has definitely caused my phone to be MUCH more responsive now.
Like you, it's allowed this crap X2 to actually be functional, along with Eclipse 2.1 and/or CM7. With DZK and Nitro, I'm not sure where this phone would be. Probably thrown against the wall and shattered into a million pieces!
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lol
well I know quote a few people seem to trust my set up lol
that auto starts app sound like it worth checking into also, thanks for the tip!

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Thanks for all the responses guys! It's great to see some insight as to what everybody does on their daily schedule.
1. Yes, i do know there is 2.1, I just haven't had the time/availability to upgrade (until tonight, so i'll probably be doing that).
2. I'm admittedly bad at keeping a LOT of apps installed feeling like i'll need to use them, probably would be better off if i just kept them either frozen or only kept a backup.
3. As with you, iBolski, i've been running option 6 in V6 and that definitely helps a lot.
4. I'll have to try the nightly cache clearing, i usually just manually do it when i feel the phone is laggy.
Also, what launchers do you guys use? Just outta curiosity. I personally use LauncherProPlus. Yeah, the development is dead, but I've been using it since my OG Droid days, and it's served me excellently ever since. I don't need beauty in a launcher, just raw speed and a small footprint.
Thanks again!

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Boardwalk30 said:
Thanks for all the responses guys! It's great to see some insight as to what everybody does on their daily schedule.
1. Yes, i do know there is 2.1, I just haven't had the time/availability to upgrade (until tonight, so i'll probably be doing that).
2. I'm admittedly bad at keeping a LOT of apps installed feeling like i'll need to use them, probably would be better off if i just kept them either frozen or only kept a backup.
3. As with you, iBolski, i've been running option 6 in V6 and that definitely helps a lot.
4. I'll have to try the nightly cache clearing, i usually just manually do it when i feel the phone is laggy.
Also, what launchers do you guys use? Just outta curiosity. I personally use LauncherProPlus. Yeah, the development is dead, but I've been using it since my OG Droid days, and it's served me excellently ever since. I don't need beauty in a launcher, just raw speed and a small footprint.
Thanks again!
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just a tip for when you update to 2.1
you really shouldn't need to wipe data, I haven't wiped data once when updating from 2.0> 2.xand I have had zero issues,
also, nitro has added a couple features/options to the stock eclipse launcher which are nice, u can choose amount of home screens, infinite loop, uninstall app when u long press then hold it over the trash can for a second (pretty useful, no more needing To go into manage apps to uninstall apps)
if ya wanna venture from that I recommend adw ex or go launcher ex(nitro has an eclipse theme in the market for go launcher in case ya wanna support him (it's like a buck) and wanna keep an eclipse theme with a different launcher that has more options)
either that or just do a quick market search or Google search for "light weight launcher" to get some nice options, there's an almost endless list of launchers to try, I've spent hours trying different launchers and still haven't touched half of them lol, there is so many choices it's crazy, there is something for every type of user, from minimalistic launcher to fancy ones like spb shell and such

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Boardwalk30 said:
Thanks for all the responses guys! It's great to see some insight as to what everybody does on their daily schedule.
1. Yes, i do know there is 2.1, I just haven't had the time/availability to upgrade (until tonight, so i'll probably be doing that).
2. I'm admittedly bad at keeping a LOT of apps installed feeling like i'll need to use them, probably would be better off if i just kept them either frozen or only kept a backup.
3. As with you, iBolski, i've been running option 6 in V6 and that definitely helps a lot.
4. I'll have to try the nightly cache clearing, i usually just manually do it when i feel the phone is laggy.
Thanks again!
Also, what launchers do you guys use? Just outta curiosity. I personally use LauncherProPlus. Yeah, the development is dead, but I've been using it since my OG Droid days, and it's served me excellently ever since. I don't need beauty in a launcher, just raw speed and a small footprint.
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I'm using Go Launcher EX myself. Have been since I ran an LG Vortex (now THAT was a SLOW phone but man, as far as music goes, it never skipped unlike the X2. Sad since it's an ARM6 600mhz single-core phone AND it had an unlocked bootloader so I could overclock the thing!).

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For launchers I started with pro launcher. Then ended up with go launcher for a while. Now I am using adw ex. However I really like the new work nitro did with pro launcher. I would of stayed on it except for the 3D app drawer. Don't get me wrong it looks awesome and I used to use similar app drawer with the shell launcher but it triggers my vertigo.

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Boardwalk30 said:
Thanks for all the responses guys! It's great to see some insight as to what everybody does on their daily schedule.
1. Yes, i do know there is 2.1, I just haven't had the time/availability to upgrade (until tonight, so i'll probably be doing that).
2. I'm admittedly bad at keeping a LOT of apps installed feeling like i'll need to use them, probably would be better off if i just kept them either frozen or only kept a backup.
3. As with you, iBolski, i've been running option 6 in V6 and that definitely helps a lot.
4. I'll have to try the nightly cache clearing, i usually just manually do it when i feel the phone is laggy.
Also, what launchers do you guys use? Just outta curiosity. I personally use LauncherProPlus. Yeah, the development is dead, but I've been using it since my OG Droid days, and it's served me excellently ever since. I don't need beauty in a launcher, just raw speed and a small footprint.
Thanks again!
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I also use ADW EX, it has been the most consistently bug free for me depending on the settings you use it can be lightning fast or just as bad as a stock launcher, but generally it is much faster than the stock ones and it is more user friendly.

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Love all the insight here. I was running cm7 for a while but now on eclipse 2.1 and I haven't wanted to go back to cm7 yet. I also usually use adw ex but have been sticking with stock launcher. This go around. I reboot my phone at least once a day. I haven't tried any scripts yet but I haven't felt the need to iether. I try too keep as few apps running as possible. I also found that after I get done charging my phone I will reboot. Seems to give me more free ram. 185mb right now.
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CM7 rocks. Once CM9 becomes stable and a beta it will most likely be the best ROM on the X2.
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I must say, after upgrading to 2.1, uninstalling 34 apps (mostly large games) that i seemingly never used, and installing the build.prop mash up, i haven't had any issues yet so far! 2.1 seems to be quite the upgrade from 2.0. Thanks to everybody who posted their experience/ideas!

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I started experiencing even more lag lately and it would immediately show up even after reboot. This started happening after I set up TBU to do a nightly cache clean and reboot.
What I finally figured out was, V6 Turbocharger scripts mem settings were not sticking! They were reverting back to the default for whatever reason. It was funny because the Lag Nullifier was still active.
So, I unturbocharged and everything via the scripts and set it back up to use local.prop and that seemed to fix everything.
Another thing I did was install Autostarts to tell it what apps should NOT start when certain system events occur (during startup, after startup, media change, etc).
I also used the Motorola Performance Manager to set up most apps to be killed two minutes after the phone goes to sleep.
I reinstalled Widgetlocker and things have been running smooth all day where as before, after playing many games (like Templerun, Fruit Ninja, Sims Free to Play, etc), I would notice lag would seep in and would require a reboot to fix it.
Now, with my set up (TBU clears cache and reboots nightly, Autostarts, Motorola Performance Manager, V6 TC), things are running smooth, smoother than they have before.