So far what I've been able to figure out:
Liberty = code name for device; it applies to all of them.
Aria = AT&T's USA phone.
Gratia = the international version (which uses different 3G bands from the Aria) and is free of AT&T branding on the top.
Intruder = ??
The reason I'm asking: behind the battery on my "Aria", it says "Intruder". I'm just wondering if this means there's a difference in my phone from others.
Thoughts? What does yours say behind the battery?
Intruder was the codename used for the device during development. This was changed to Liberty at some point, but for whatever reason, they never changed the device name underneath the battery.
3G band support is determined by the model number - A6366 for 850/1900MHz 3G bands, and A6380 for 900/2100MHz 3G bands. There's also another version that was sold only in Japan, but I don't know the model number for that.
The A6366 was sold in North America and some parts of South America and was called Aria. The A6380 was sold in the rest of the world and was called Gratia in some countries and Aria in other countries. I think it's only called Gratia in Europe. So, you can't tell the 3G bands the phone supports just by what name it has on it.
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So the Hero's from England won't work on USA 3G bands correct? Does anyone know when a Hero will come out that is capable?
yes that is correct, 3g in the usa will not work on the hero. the hero will come out on october 11th for United States, many indications are hinting that the carrier will be sprint
does this lie in the hardware?
Sorry to bump this thread, but as I asked earlier. Does the 3G settings lie in the hardware, or is it customizable/changeable somehow?
No, there is nothing to "unlock" a non 1700 frequency phone to make it capable of accepting 3G speeds on T-mobile
I've no idea whether the radio in the Hero is capable of supporting T-Mobiles 3G 1700Mhz band, but I do personally find it hard to believe that HTC would manufacture 2 different GSM Heros (as opposed to a GSM and CDMA one) which differ only by the bands they support since the additional cost involved in having 2 separate production lines is probably far greater than the incremental cost of using a more capable radio in all GSM Heros.
My G1 is a US T-Mobile G1, and it works fine with the 3G bands here in Europe. In addition, if you look up the specs of the Magic on HTCs website, it does not mention the 1700MHz band, but the MyTouch 3G does support and it is essentially a Magic.
This would lead me to believe that it is likely to be a firmware rather than hardware restriction - only time will tell!
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Dave
Hero coming to T-Mobile USA
By the looks of things at http://www.tmonews.com and with a bit of url manipulation I was able to navigate to this pretty convicing and helpful page.
Anyone have any better resources?
foxmeister said:
...My G1 is a US T-Mobile G1, and it works fine with the 3G bands here in Europe. ...
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yeah, but the G1 was designed specifically for t-mobile and so the G1 itself was built to support the bands for all t-mobile networks in one device.
And as the european ones nearly all use 2100mhz, that is a slightly different case.
and as for the URL manipulation, that doesn;t always mean anything.. with the right manipulation, you can get it to show updates for one device on a page titled for a totally different model. however, it would be good if you are right!!
G1 = 1700 and 2100 MHz
Hero = 900 and 2100 MHz
So both work fine in europe (2100) but only the G1 will work with T-mo US (1700). Considering that there is no reasonable prepaid 3g data in the US anywhere, not many European travellers will miss the 1700MHz capability of their cell phone.
The choice of the 900MHz band is a bit odd, seems like the only reasonably-sized market for that would be Australia. At least it'll work when you are down-under ;-)
at the moment yeah, but many European networks are pushing to get access to the 900mhz frequency and use it for 3G once 2G gets turned off.
apparently it has better penetration into buildings or something...don't quite understand the reasons why it should be better for that, but the UK networks certainly want a bit of that action....
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at the moment yeah, but many European networks are pushing to get access to the 900mhz frequency and use it for 3G once 2G gets turned off. apparently it has better penetration into buildings or something...
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As a rule of thumb, the lower the frequency (longer wavelength) the deeper it is going to penetrate. Thats why you can listen to the radio inside whereas you can't see the sun (visible light=much higher frequency).
cool.
I understand now. i suppose it kinda makes sense as well, lower wavelengths tend to have more power anyway,so i shoulda figured that out....
I currently have a telus HTC HERO in black but i am selling that one and buying a white HTC HERO.
The white HERO that im looking to buy is a european model.
I looked at the HTC website to see if there was any difference between the two phones and i found this:
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz for Europe and 850/1900 MHz for USA.
So my question is will the european HERO work on canadian networks providers (FIDO, ROGERS)....would i have any issues with getting good signal connections and optimal speeds for 3G
thanks in advance
The Canadian GSM networks & AT&T in the US use a different 3G frequency than what GSM networks use in Europe & T-Mobile in the US. Due to this an European Hero on a Canadian network will not get 3G.
thank you for the quick reply.
I guess i will have to look for another seller.
Thanks again
Further, In Canada, networks like Bell and Telus are ONLY 3G, so without the North American 3G bands, you won't get any signal. I think Rogers has 2G, though. I'm not sure exactly which networks do and don't, but I know that at least some don't.
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Further, In Canada, networks like Bell and Telus are ONLY 3G, so without the North American 3G bands, you won't get any signal.
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Umm, no....
As far as I know, the Bell and Telus joint network is 3G only. I don't know if the carriers have a deal to use EDGE from Rogers or areas not covered by 3G.
To the OP: Why don't you get a Hero from Telus? It's the same one as the European version, but works on the North American 3G band.
Soaa- said:
As far as I know, the Bell and Telus joint network is 3G only. I don't know if the carriers have a deal to use EDGE from Rogers or areas not covered by 3G.
To the OP: Why don't you get a Hero from Telus? It's the same one as the European version, but works on the North American 3G band.
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I dont like going on 3 year contracts so i buy my phones from resellers on craigslist. The seller specified that his HERO was from Europe so i wanted to find out if it would work. That was the only option at the moment but now I do have a Telus HERO that I bought from some other seller.
Thanks for the help btw.
I am currently looking at purchasing a used Dell Streak, it is in Australia (so am I) but the seller says it was originally from the USA. Looking at a few different sites, the spec for American Streaks says UMTS 850. (Eg.: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dell_Streak )
The network I would most like to use here is Australia is Telstra's NextG network; it is described here: http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/3g_for_network_engineers
thus:
""3G" is a broad category of standards and services around "broadband" mobile wireless voice and data. Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) is part of this family and is the standard used for 3G services in Australia. Telstra's NextG product is a UMTS implementation using a Wideband CDMA (W-CDMA) radio carrier in the 850 MHz band. There are "legacy" pockets of 2100 MHz used in some areas. Most modems are capable of automatically switching between the two bands, though not always of making the best choice. Some Telstra technical staff recommend sticking to the 850 MHz band."
I know that the Dell Streak version sold here by Optus (Telstra didn't sell them)
was NOT usable on the NextG network, but the info above from the links seems to imply that a Streak built for the USA would be?
Am I correct, or am I missing something?
Thanks, Bernie.
Yes, the US Dell Streak will work on Telstra's NextG.
Currently using it. Getting around 2770kbps down and 1339kbps up.
so um.... hardware should be the same, so a baseband / radio flash + custom mod should enable it?
you running a custom rom or a us standard?
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Thanks bluhound,
I'm also interested to know if you can update an Aussie or UK version like live_blues suggests. Any idea?
Thanks, Bernie.
You don't have to flash anything. The US firmware will work with NextG out of the box.
I don't think you will be able to flash an Aussie ROM as only Optus has the Streak and that model operates on the 900Mhz freq, not Telstra's 850Mhz.
I am currently running on StreakDroid 1.9.1 with DSP v360.
Dell Streak FAQ - xda wiki
See the last two lines, roms do not determine/affect your 3G freqs or lock status, it's determined solely by the configuration applied to the device when it was manufactured.
Roms do not care what submodel/lock status you have, you can install any rom and it wont change anything here.
There is also no concept of a AUS rom as the only roms loaded on devices sold there are unbranded/retail (unless they changed it some time during it's lifetime)
thx Manii, so its a manufacturing thingy... interesting... im sporting a UK Streak in Oz, guess I would just have to try
So if this is a stupid question I guess I deserve the caning...
I am from the US but I currently live in China. I am here on a short term work assignment. I have the HTC EVO (not using here in China obviously) as my US phone with Sprint and use an older Samsung with a prepaid SIM and cards here in China.
If I were to buy the GS3 here in China would I be able to use it in the US with Sprint when I return? I have seen some threads referencing AT&T and t-mobil but nothing yet with Sprint.
This would not work. The international variant only includes a GSM network-compatible modem, and Sprint exclusively uses CDMA technology for its cellphones. While the GSM radio in the international SGS3 can connect (with varying degrees of speed/success) to US GSM carriers like T-Mobile and AT&T, it won't be able to "talk" to the Sprint towers at all.
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This would not work. The international variant only includes a GSM network-compatible modem, and Sprint exclusively uses CDMA technology for its cellphones. While the GSM radio in the international SGS3 can connect (with varying degrees of speed/success) to US GSM carriers like T-Mobile and AT&T, it won't be able to "talk" to the Sprint towers at all.
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Well crap, I lose again with Sprint...oh well. Thanks.
I bought a slightly used 64gb AT&T HTC One M7, unlocked it using HTC Dev (though it's still S-ON), flashed in JellyBAM 1.0 RC1 (based on Cyanogenmod in its guts) and Cockworkmod, plus flashed in the T-Mobile radio, but the phone can only see a network listed as "WIND Away". With my Samsung Note (pentaband) it can see a number of other networks.
So WIND Mobile has two zones -- WIND Home (its own towers in Toronto) and another it calls in its literature "WIND Away" which in my area just means its roaming on Rogers Canada's network. With the Note it would show these networks as Rogers, not "WIND Away" like this HTC One is. When I try and join WIND Away it says it can't register itself on the network. I shed a tear.
Why do I mention T-Mobile? They use the same 1700/2100 frequency pair that my carrier WIND Mobile uses. I've purchased a HTC Desire Z (G2) from T-Mobile in the past and it worked great on WIND. Since the HTC One supports 2100, and the HTC One sold in WIND stores also only supports 2100 (not the 1700/2100 pair) I thought this AT&T HTC One would work as well. It's been suggested by users online that I may get slower data speeds because 1700 isn't supported. I flashed T-Mobile's radio anyway to see if it would help at least see WIND but no luck.
Here's my hold-volume-down-while-booting screen details:
M7_UL PVT SHIP S-ON RH
HBOOT-1.44.0000
RADIO-4A.17.3250.20
OpenDSP-v31.120.274.0617
eMCC-boot
Jul 5 2013, 16:04:18:-1
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So any idea what's going on?
And it's SIM unlocked?
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And it's SIM unlocked?
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Yep, I'm assuming so because the previous owner listed the phone's sale as Unlocked, and I'm not being asked for an unlock code when booting up the phone with a foreign carrier's SIM.
I too am very interested in this.
I picked up this phone used from a Rogers user (same at AT&T apparently) to use on Wind Mobile. I SIM unlocked it and rooted the phone with a custom ROM. Now when I put in my SIM card it doesn't see my network. According to the stats the phone operates on the 1900/2100 that Wind requires.
This would be the same as using an Unlocked AT&T HTC one on the T Mobile Network.
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I too am very interested in this.
I picked up this phone used from a Rogers user (same at AT&T apparently) to use on Wind Mobile. I SIM unlocked it and rooted the phone with a custom ROM. Now when I put in my SIM card it doesn't see my network. According to the stats the phone operates on the 1900/2100 that Wind requires.
This would be the same as using an Unlocked AT&T HTC one on the T Mobile Network.
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Did you end up finding a solution to this? I'm still in the same situation but I haven't been working on it much the past week.
Also a small correction: WIND uses 1700/2100 not 1900/2100. What makes this situation weird/frustrating is that the AT&T HTC One specs for frequencies are the same as WIND Mobile's HTC One, so I'm hoping that this issue isn't that the AT&T HTC One hardware is incompatible. (at least in frequency support)
WIND compatibility
I just found this comment here:
Wind operates a UMTS / WCDMA / HSPA network at the 1700 MHz frequency, known as AWS or Band IV. IT DOES NOT RUN ON 2100 MHz! NO 1700 MHz, NO WIND!
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... though it doesn't jive with the HTC One being sold by WIND directly as it doesn't have 1700 mhz but does have 2100, just like my AT&T-branded HTC One. Additionally, I can't see any of the other networks surrounding me, and I'd think I'd have some visibility of a few though I haven't gone and done frequency research on them. At the very least I still think I should be able to see WIND.
So I think both of us are out of luck with our HTC One's. Here's a response I got on this thread on Howard Forums:
AT&T's HTC One will not work with AWS HSPA. You need the T-Mobile, Wind, or Videotron version for AWS HSPA.
Wind's own marketing material is often wrong. Has happened many times where they post incorrect not enough information.
Sorry that device will not work on Wind.
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So I/we were mislead by WIND's published material on frequency support I guess.
I still feel like an idiot.
Please see this thread I managed to find it after a while
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2315880
I gave up on the HTC one and got a Samsung s4
Just a thanks to all for stepping in and helping decide what was going on with this device. Sucks I was mislead, but thems the risks when you try and dance around the norms.