Asus has the worst customer service I have ever encountered. I sent back my charger to Asus on Febuary 16. Not only was I told it would be a 14 business day turnaround, but I was also told I had to send in the cord as well. After about 20 calls to Asus, speaking to numerous supervisors, being told they had no idea where my charger was and I had to just wait, I finally recieved a tracking number a few days ago. I was beyond excitement when I heard the knock from FedEx today. I opened the box up and what do I see? A plain charger, no cord, no outlet plug adapter. NOTHING. What am I suppose to do with just the plain charger without anywhere to plug it in. Every time you call asus they tell you they have to contact another department and someone will contact be back. Which no one ever does. They also say that contact takes up to 48 hours. I just stayed on hold for a supervisor 20 minutes which never came on the phone. I'm at my witts end on what else I could do. Needless to say I will probably never buy Asus again. This is completely unacceptable. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it.
Throw it in the trash and buy an ipad. Then you can swap it out at an apple store if there is a problem or buy any number of third party accessories to charge your device.
Although a great suggestion, I would like to keep this one and not spend another $500
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Although a great suggestion, I would like to keep this one and not spend another $500
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Not exactly positive.. but.. this should work with Transformer Prime.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0367050
i honestly wish i had never sold my A500 for this tablet. i can't unload it without selling it at a significant loss. my gps still doesn't work despite asus having it for 21 days, 6 days after it came to me on dec21 ( yes i was one of the Neanderthals that thought this tablet was worth preordering for). i will NEVER buy another asus product again. I'm stuck with this tablet for at least 6 more months before I can think of getting a new one.
Found a different number which I assumed is some sort of corporate office. The nicest guy I've spoken to in this whole ordeal. He is overnighting me the parts I'm missing. Hopefully I will receive it tomorrow or the day after. Thanks
Great its resolved. Thats why I insert photos (time/date stamped) of what condition the items are and everything included, I also make sure all the components going in the package are checked off on the RMA request. Then I take a video of me wrapping all the items, packaging, and finally closing the package in case i need to resort to it.
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Great its resolved. Thats why I insert photos (time/date stamped) of what condition the items are and everything included, I also make sure all the components going in the package are checked off on the RMA request. Then I take a video of me wrapping all the items, packaging, and finally closing the package in case i need to resort to it.
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This is good advice in general, and I do it EVERY TIME I'm sending ANY product in for service, refund, exchange, or whatever. I have a horror story like this for almost every technology manufacturer or vendor I've purchased a product from over the years, including HP, Dell, Toshiba, HTC, Samsung, and some now-defunct companies that few people here would recognize.
Pretty much the only company I never have problems with in this regard is Costco, which is why I buy everything I can from them. Although, seriously, I've found ASUS to be pretty good comparatively, which just goes to show how different peoples' experiences can be and how sweeping generalizations shouldn't be made based on a relative handful of complaints.
Oh, and since Apple was mentioned in this thread, it's maybe valuable to add: yes, they provide good customer service, at least as far as getting product replaced in-store. But, one pays for that luxury, either in higher prices (MacBooks), in a locked-down environment, or at least SOMEONE pays for it (in the case of the iPhone, that would be the cost-shifting that occurs when carriers take a loss in subsidizing the iPhone). Maybe the iPad is decently priced, or maybe it's not--but even if the iPad is reasonably priced, it's because the costs are merely shifted to other Apple products. Apple couldn't make their absolutely phenomenal profits if they weren't getting the money from someone.
Wait, if you were without a charger all this time... were you not able to charge your Prime and thus not able to use it?
Sucks lol
OH and the iPad bit-- the OOW replacement cost for an iPad 3rd gen is $299 regardless of what model. iPad 2 and original, $249.
What does this mean? Apple's OOW replacement costs for iOS devices are usually posted at a 20% or more profit. That means that Apple makes at 50% profit on each sale of its devices, and an additional 20% on each OOW repair.
Apple makes plenty of money to support each product with each unit purchased. This is not including returns from AppleCare protection sales.
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Maybe the iPad is decently priced, or maybe it's not--but even if the iPad is reasonably priced, it's because the costs are merely shifted to other Apple products. Apple couldn't make their absolutely phenomenal profits if they weren't getting the money from someone.
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Shifting money from other Apple products wouldn't increase their profit. Apple makes phenomenal profits cause they do things like, sell 3million tablets in 3 days.
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Shifting money from other Apple products wouldn't increase their profit. Apple makes phenomenal profits cause they do things like, sell 3million tablets in 3 days.
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I mean, Apple can afford to sell the iPad for lower margins (if they do, and maybe they don't) because their margins are inordinately high on their other products. Of course, ultimately, that reduces overall profit margin a tiny bit (more so as more iPads are sold as a percentage of their total sales, of course) and total profits as well. But, again, Apple's margins are already so high that they can afford to take a bit of a hit--it becomes something of a rounding error on their quarterly statements. Also, Apple makes a bit of profit from iTunes and the App Store, which also helps.
The point is, anyone buying an Apple product should expect a much higher level of customer service, because they're paying for it. Kind of like buying a BMW vs. an Infiniti--I hope nobody who buys a BMW and gets the included maintenance actually thinks that maintenance is free...
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I mean, Apple can afford to sell the iPad for lower margins (if they do, and maybe they don't) because their margins are inordinately high on their other products. Of course, ultimately, that reduces overall profit margin a tiny bit (more so as more iPads are sold as a percentage of their total sales, of course) and total profits as well. But, again, Apple's margins are already so high that they can afford to take a bit of a hit--it becomes something of a rounding error on their quarterly statements. Also, Apple makes a bit of profit from iTunes and the App Store, which also helps.
The point is, anyone buying an Apple product should expect a much higher level of customer service, because they're paying for it. Kind of like buying a BMW vs. an Infiniti--I hope nobody who buys a BMW and gets the included maintenance actually thinks that maintenance is free...
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That's weird cause I paid 650 for the TFP + dock but only 500 for my iPad. You just can't match the support of physical Apple stores to call centers like ASUS. Besides, I've dealt with HP warranty a few times and they were much better than what ASUS is giving me ATM. My Prime has arrived since two weeks ago and it is not even in their system yet.
In the end, as a end user, we don't care the reason why a certain company can provide better service, we only care that one company provides better service period.
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Found a different number which I assumed is some sort of corporate office. The nicest guy I've spoken to in this whole ordeal. He is overnighting me the parts I'm missing. Hopefully I will receive it tomorrow or the day after. Thanks
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Thanks for sharing the happy ending.
It's nice to know that Asus operates an environment where its employees have the latitude to be helpful if that's their nature. Perhaps the first group you talked to was an outsourced support center...
One thing I've learned is to always ask for a supervisor, and then their supervisor if you're unsatisfied. You need to get to a level where you can get their FULL name, not just a badge number. If they won't give you their full name and their direct number, you've not gone high enough. The real key here is to remain FRIENDLY, CALM, FIRM. If you start getting hot, you'll get nowhere.
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Thanks for sharing the happy ending.
It's nice to know that Asus operates an environment where its employees have the latitude to be helpful if that's their nature. Perhaps the first group you talked to was an outsourced support center...
One thing I've learned is to always ask for a supervisor, and then their supervisor if you're unsatisfied. You need to get to a level where you can get their FULL name, not just a badge number. If they won't give you their full name and their direct number, you've not gone high enough. The real key here is to remain FRIENDLY, CALM, FIRM. If you start getting hot, you'll get nowhere.
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Unfortunately I believe the key point in your statement is the outsourced call center. I believe this is exactly where my call would get forwarded. Unfortunately no matter how calm, friendly, firm, or insistent that i knew it wasn't the reps fault but i just needed help, none was given. I was even insulted at one point by a general rep saying I wasn't paying attention and wasn't listening because he told me his computer listed the charger as not received by the facility, and that meant they didn't have it. So when I inquired where it was if FedEx marked the package with information given to me by Asus was, he said I wasn't listening. I asked for a supervisor multiple times and more than half the times i was placed on hold for 20 minutes, told I would be called back and I am still waiting for the phone calls back. The few I did speak to said they were the highest up. Fortunately the last number I called, which was a USA number, not 1800 I spoke to someone who not only had an American accent (not trying to come off racist) but was extremely helpful. Promised he would over night me a charger over night and it was waiting for me today at my doorstep. I will call the same number tomorrow and hopefully find the same helpful individual and personally thank him. The general customer service from Asus was horrible beyond belief, but at the very least there is at least 1 person somewhere that was helpful and to him I thank.
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Expansys is where I got my pre-order. I've never heard of them. I've heard of B&H, J&R, Best Buy, Newegg, and Gamestop having access to preorders, but who are these guys? They seemed legit so I gave them my preorder info. Any thoughts?
I don't think I've ever ordered with them, though if by "legit" you mean if they're real OR a scam in terms of a business, they seem to be an established business.
Site: http://www.expansys-usa.com/ (them, right?)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/eXpansys-USA/336647714042
Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/expansysUSA
Reviews: https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=expansys+reviews
If by "legit" you mean they can deliver your Prime by Christmas or this month, that's something you'll find out on the receipt OR your order info, or by calling them. Hopefully someone else here can shed more light for you. (was there a reason you chose them and not the other companies you knew about already? like a special or something?)
Expansys is big for imported phones so they're definately legit. Their inventory systems are archaic and all communication is done manually. They keep bankers hours so they're hard to get in touch with. I'd say they're a poor choice for the Prime because they don't do a lot of business with Asus and communicating with them for a product that's touch-and-go will have you ripping your hair out. If companies that have sold a lot of Asus product in the past are having trouble with inventory I can't see how Expansys would fare any better.
Well, I chose them because they were the only company that still had pre-orders available.
I've heard of all the delays. I don't expect to be seeing my Prime before 2012 . Reeeeeally wish I hadn't sold my laptop/eReader preemptively....
With all the hype around this device, I just wondered if anyone had experience buying electronics from this company because I'd never heard of them before. Not only was I wondering about them as a business, I was wondering about how far down the totem pole they may be.
Thanks for the replies.
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Expansys is big for imported phones so they're definately legit. Their inventory systems are archaic and all communication is done manually. They keep bankers hours so they're hard to get in touch with. I'd say they're a poor choice for the Prime because they don't do a lot of business with Asus and communicating with them for a product that's touch-and-go will have you ripping your hair out. If companies that have sold a lot of Asus product in the past are having trouble with inventory I can't see how Expansys would fare any better.
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Ahh BarryH, thank you!
they are definitely a legit company, everything is based in the UK though but they are the place to go for imported phones, my friend ordered his S II from their because when it first came out that was like the only place but yes they will not steal your money or anything
My concern is that they dont metion the model number, and they dont show a picture of it and being that there the same name the first and second generation I think there selling the first ones.
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My concern is that they dont metion the model number, and they dont show a picture of it and being that there the same name the first and second generation I think there selling the first ones.
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That doesn't make sense because the new one is Transformer PRIME. (which is clearly on the order page and title) The new one also comes in two colors while the original only had one.
The order page also describes the Transformer Prime.
it means no Christmas gift for me. Now seriously I just got a "friendly" email from Best buy explaining me my order has been backordered, I'm cancelling right now(a $650 order with dock), 2-3 more weeks waiting is totally unacceptable, I pre-ordered mine on November 23th, by the time tf201 is out, it will be only 2 weeks away from ipad 3 release, and there won't be any guarantees asus will deliver on time, it may be another delay. I will better wait for apple 3(already have an ipad 2 and tf101), so long asus.
Thanks, the more pre-orders that cancelled, the sooner I get mine!
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it means no Christmas gift for me. Now seriously I just got a "friendly" email from Best buy explaining me my order has been backordered, I'm cancelling right now(a $650 order with dock), 2-3 more weeks waiting is totally unacceptable, I pre-ordered mine on November 23th, by the time tf201 is out, it will be only 2 weeks away from ipad 3 release, and there won't be any guarantees asus will deliver on time, it may be another delay. I will better wait for apple 3(already have an ipad 2 and tf101), so long asus.
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iPad 3 isn't coming out in late January.
i got the same email
I am in the same boat. This was the sole gift for my 7 year old Autistic son.
I can understand the supply issues with a preorder product. However, I was in contact with Best Buy every day and, although each rep had a different story, all we ensuring me that I would get this by Christmas and that there were no problems with the order getting filled. Then, of course, they backorder the thing on the VERY LAST FULL SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR. Now most places are bare, will not be getting more shipments and a very unlikelihood of being able to order anything online for the holiday. To butter it up, Besy Buy reps have not made any offer to make good on this screw up. At least Gamestop and Amazon gave out credits.
I am going to be calling to make a huge stink today. I am not cancelling until I have the product from somewhere else, but I am going to spread the same holiday cheer they have with me.
By the way, feel free to contact the corporate offices and the CEO to send your holiday wishes as well:
Best Buy Corporate: (612) 291-1000
[email protected] (CEO)
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iPad 3 isn't coming out in late January.
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Feb at the earliest.
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I am in the same boat. This was the sole gift for my 7 year old Autistic son.
I can understand the supply issues with a preorder product. However, I was in contact with Best Buy every day and, although each rep had a different story, all we ensuring me that I would get this by Christmas and that there were no problems with the order getting filled. Then, of course, they backorder the thing on the VERY LAST FULL SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR. Now most places are bare, will not be getting more shipments and a very unlikelihood of being able to order anything online for the holiday. To butter it up, Besy Buy reps have not made any offer to make good on this screw up. At least Gamestop and Amazon gave out credits.
I am going to be calling to make a huge stink today. I am not cancelling until I have the product from somewhere else, but I am going to spread the same holiday cheer they have with me.
By the way, feel free to contact the corporate offices and the CEO to send your holiday wishes as well:
Best Buy Corporate: (612) 291-1000
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Has anyone considered that no one is giving anyone the shaft, that crap sometimes happens that corporations cannot foresee? I think asus cannot keep up with the demand, and Best Buy probably had way to many people order. Granted the communication has been horrible, from every company dealing with this. I am in the same boat as you guys, waiting for it, but I do not believe that anyone set out to do this.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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It's more that they should've informed their customers that Asus is being stupid. Of course they said the 18th was just an ETA, but I was told countless times that there is no reason to believe it won't be shipping on that date. I had one guy tell me it had shipped to UPS and should get a shipping confirmation soon. All of that is unacceptable.
Remember the last 2 ipads re announced in Feb and did not ship until April. I would guess this one will be no different. Good luck getting one in February.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Best Buy is responsible for fulling orders. If they did not have stock then they should not have been taking pre-orders. Other vendors did this, so Best Buy should be able to do it too. There's other things like maybe letting people know sooner their order would not be fulfilled.
I expect a retailer to be able to count.
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Best Buy is responsible for fulling orders. If they did not have stock then they should not have been taking pre-orders. Other vendors did this, so Best Buy should be able to do it too. There's other things like maybe letting people know sooner their order would not be fulfilled.
I expect a retailer to be able to count.
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I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" fiasco.
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I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" issue.
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Primegate®
stolen. she's mine now.
calin75 said:
I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" issue.
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They did the same with the delayed release of the Thunderbolt. They are incompetent. I was giving them a second chance but now I am fed up with them. I canceled and ordered with Amazon again. I save Tax and shipping that way. When I have to wait until the new year then I want at least the best deal.
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Asus' CEO publically said "November" for release. Then Asus said "12/9." Then Asus said "12/19." Then Asus said "the week of 12/19." They'll make their last commitment but by sending far fewer units to far fewer resllers then they originally planned. The Galaxy Nexus was a highly anticipated device for VZW. They didn't officially launch it until their was enough inventory in the pipeline (stores, VZW.com, resellers) so that people looking for it didn't have to pull their hair out. Something happened that screwed up Asus' ability to honor their original commitments to resellers. Since they're a public company, they will have forecast "x" amount of Prime sales in 2011. We'll see when they file their Q4 earnings report how badly they missed their earlier projections. Bottom line is they rushed the product to be first to market with Teg3, encountered issues and had no slack in their timeline to deal with them, and are claiming victory by eeking out a small quantity of product this year.
and Best Buy probably had way to many people order.
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Totally not true. BB, like Amazon, was told by Asus how much initial inventory they'd be receiving and what the flow would be subsequently. They sold pre-orders based on those commitments. Asus botched the commitment causing both BB and Amazon to have to cancel or back-order customer orders. Amazon deserves props for getting the message out early and at least giving their customers an option to find a "plan B."
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Asus' CEO publically said "November" for release. Then Asus said "12/9." Then Asus said "12/19." Then Asus said "the week of 12/19." They'll make their last commitment but by sending far fewer units to far fewer resllers then they originally planned. The Galaxy Nexus was a highly anticipated device for VZW. They didn't officially launch it until their was enough inventory in the pipeline (stores, VZW.com, resellers) so that people looking for it didn't have to pull their hair out. Something happened that screwed up Asus' ability to honor their original commitments to resellers. Since they're a public company, they will have forecast "x" amount of Prime sales in 2011. We'll see when they file their Q4 earnings report how badly they missed their earlier projections. Bottom line is they rushed the product to be first to market with Teg3, encountered issues and had no slack in their timeline to deal with them, and are claiming victory by eeking out a small quantity of product this year.
Totally not true. BB, like Amazon, was told by Asus how much initial inventory they'd be receiving and what the flow would be subsequently. They sold pre-orders based on those commitments. Asus botched the commitment causing both BB and Amazon to have to cancel or back-order customer orders. Amazon deserves props for getting the message out early and at least giving their customers an option to find a "plan B."
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This happened last time. I'm really not sure what the exact cause of it is but it seems like their production/supply chain/delivery process is unreliable.
You would think they would have learned something the first time...
Honestly, a delay wouldn't be too bad. But, they have to be public about it -- not leave customers in the dark. This whole time they're trying to market this thing by giving it away on facebook but people who actually want to buy the thing, can't. Where is Asus's official message about these botched commitments? Asus isn't as big as some companies but it isn't a small company either; they should have said something by now. You limit the damage by being upfront with your customers.
As an update, I called and gave the rep a hard time expressing my opinion that Best Buy needed to make some attempt to make good. Finally after asking for free next day shipping and some sort of compensation for not getting anything for christmas, I was told they could not credit the order, but got an "issue number" to call back after it ships to get reimbursed for the shipping cost. Also they are sending me a $25 gift card.
It sucks to have to ask for this. I told them that upgrading the shipping was in their best interest because if I find it somewhere else they lose a sale. Of course, after they changed the order my status went from backordered to order in process, but I am sure this will revert back and was only because the order was changed.
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This happened last time. I'm really not sure what the exact cause of it is but it seems like their production/supply chain/delivery process is unreliable.
You would think they would have learned something the first time...
Honestly, a delay wouldn't be too bad. But, they have to be public about it -- not leave customers in the dark. This whole time they're trying to market this thing by giving it away on facebook but people who actually want to buy the thing, can't. Where is Asus's official message about these botched commitments? Asus isn't as big as some companies but it isn't a small company either; they should have said something by now. You limit the damage by being upfront with your customers.
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You're spot on. I've seen Asus' CEO speak and he's a bit of a character. His ego's also as big as a house. I'm guessing instead of letting the product drive the timeline he mandated the reverse. Product management's reported to me and this consequence is what happens when dates become more important then quality - in either the product or roll-out. Nine women can't have a baby in a month.
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You're spot on. I've seen Asus' CEO speak and he's a bit of a character. His ego's also as big as a house. I'm guessing instead of letting the product drive the timeline he mandated the reverse. Product management's reported to me and this consequence is what happens when dates become more important then quality - in either the product or roll-out. Nine women can't have a baby in a month.
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I think you're right. I think it's partly cause their CEO's a cowboy. I think the other part is that Asus made a strategic decision to be big in tablets (unlike, say, Acer, whose support is half-hearted). Asus wanted to be technology leader, in hardware, and OS, but had to hit the window before iPad 3 was released. So the CEO pushed, and drove the organization to the point where, as you say, dates drove the product, rather than conversely.
I for one, appreciate the strategic decision, and that emphasis is why I decided to return my Acer A500, and just wait for the Asus TF. I understand bleeding edge, vs leading edge, and pre-ordered one from BB on 12/4. So I got the 2 week wait email also. I was hoping for "on-time" delivery, but would have been surprised had it arrived before Christmas. So now it's a matter of managing my "wants" more than cursing BB.
That doesn't stop me from disliking BB's pre-order and order management practices. I doubt I'll online order from them again.
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That doesn't stop me from disliking BB's pre-order and order management practices. I doubt I'll online order from them again.
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I've had a few issues with them on some stuff but I had no idea how disjointed their order and dispatch systems were until the Prime incident(s). You'd think that after the death of CompUSA and Circuit City they'd have made some investments in their infrastructure. They managed this process far worse than some much smaller resellers.
Got my TP yesterday from Best Buy, and unfortunately it had few issues, biggest being that the left side was separating (you could see the glass move and could hear a click when squeezing it....) Needless to say I was not going to keep it, so I figured I will give a local Best Buy a try to see if I can exchange it...
I walked up to the Customer Service desk and explained the problem. They said no problem, just go to the computer area and get another one, and they will do an exchange. Went back there, and asked for a Transformer Prime. Got a blank stare, then was told that they are not out yet. I proceeded to explain that I already have one and I'm just exchanging it. Another blank stare, then I was assured that what I must have is the Transformer. I finally got tired of this and asked one of the reps to go back to Customer Service with me.
Upon looking at the box, he looked up the SKU and not finding it in the system, he told me that there is nothing they can do, since it's not in their system and he has no idea how I was able to order one. I politely explained that I have the packing slip from BB.com, order receipt, emails from BB, etc. I had two other people look at it, try to pull up the SKU, then telling me the same thing. It was time to talk to somebody that might have a slightest clue, so I asked for a manager. To make a long story short, after a 25 minute discussion where I was basically accused of "doing something funny", he called somebody else on the phone, and after a short conversation told me that he will "issue me a refund, but this is just not right."
I stayed calm and got the refund, then politely explained to the guy that I can't believe how they can treat a customer in this manner. I don't remember the last time being treated remotely like this, and I will certainly let the corporate office know. He could obviously care less...
Anyway, just wanted to vent. Best Buy lost a VERY good customer, as after this whole TP fiasco I'm just done with them. It's a shame that such a large retailer has so little clue about customer service and competency...
Well the TP is not currently sold in stores yet, its an online only product. I can see why there were confused, but they should've know that though.
Dang! I hope my luck is better. I have a Grey 64GB with dock on pre-order from B&H. It's amazing how lame and helpless these sales people can be. They are slaves to the Point-Of-Sale terminal with no imagination or obvious access to resources.
The correct response would be to accept what you said as true, apologize and issue the refund since they have no units in the store to give you.
Bye.
Hmm, who would've guessed Paul Christoforo would get a job at Best Buy so quickly.
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Hmm, who would've guessed Paul Christoforo would get a job at Best Buy so quickly.
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Well obviously since his tablet was only purchasable on wwebsite as on the internet, they couldn't find it.
Mine comes in tomorrow from Best Buy. I hope I don't have any issues that I have to do go through them. Maybe I'll just contact my ASUS rep straight up if I have a problem.
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Well obviously since his tablet was only purchasable on wwebsite as on the internet, they couldn't find it.
Mine comes in tomorrow from Best Buy. I hope I don't have any issues that I have to do go through them. Maybe I'll just contact my ASUS rep straight up if I have a problem.
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True. Or he could have sold them all on ebay for $150 so there were none left.
Asus packaging really sucks(only booklets is well protected), and BB mailed it in plastic envelope..No wonder there are a lot of problems....
Sorry to hear about the lousy experience. After working in retail, I can deffinently tell you not to threaten with "going to corporate". Just as you said they probably aren't going to care.
Much better to tell the manager on site that you want their District/Regional managers name and phone number. Call the number on the spot if it's during normal daytime hours. This will get you much better results.
District/Regional managers are the normal top dog of the store area, and if you can relay your distress to them in your treatment/experience, results will quickly follow. The store themselves aren't scared of a veiled threat to someone they never directly interact with ("corporate"). But get in touch with their direct boss (the region/district), and that'll put some fear in them...
That doesn't surprise me one bit. Best Buy customer service and return policy is one of the worst I've ever seen.
Now that the competitors (Circuit City, Silo) are gone some long gone Best Buy brick and mortars feel that they can do whatever they want. "Like where else are you going to go?"
but part of this blame also needs to be shared by ASUS for half-ass launching of their product. You don't launch a product to minimum stores unless you want your product to flop.
strange ASUS never revealed the amount of Primes they shipped to US for launch. My guess is under 3,000 units at best.
I was in BB last week, doing other shopping and for the heck of it, asked if they had the dock in yet (they didn't). But all of the BB guys were insisting that the TF Prime was not even out yet and that it had been delayed until Jan. I was like "Of course it's out, I have one!!". Lol... :/
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The Best Buy clerks at the retailer in my area knew that they were out but had no idea of when they would be in, they checked their internet computers and only saw what most online-shoppers saw the "Coming Soon" message.
Can someone explain to me again why BB stopped their TFP online ordering nearly 2-weeks before Christmas and put-up a "Coming Soon" banner? Do they not realize how many customers they lost in what I can only see as a dumb move. I mean even if you didn't have any TFP in-stock, you could have at least kept it set up as a pre-order to collect potential buyers, but leaving it as a Coming Soon did no good for anyone, not even their own brick and mortar retailers who also used BB.com.
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Can someone explain to me again why BB stopped their TFP online ordering nearly 2-weeks before Christmas and put-up a "Coming Soon" banner? Do they not realize how many customers they lost in what I can only see as a dumb move. I mean even if you didn't have any TFP in-stock, you could have at least kept it set up as a pre-order to collect potential buyers, but leaving it as a Coming Soon did no good for anyone, not even their own brick and mortar retailers who also used BB.com.
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With the ridiculous amount of issues that it turns out they've had with preorders, stopping them was ultimately the right move.
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It is just truly amazing that a retailer the size of Best Buy can have basic issues like this and how unresponsive they are to fix those issues. I think the mentality here is - it is not effecting enough people, so let's just not talk about it.
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
I agree with you about poor quality in wifi, gps, nand and whatever... But I live in Italy and no one of our sellers (neither in other Europen country, as far as I know) has never talk about or agreed with costumers about refund or change with other working product. We had only to fight with asus assistance service that, sometimes, in really unusefull. Unless in Europe, gps issue was well know before comercialization, infact gps feature wasn't even mentioned so we cannot complain about this... Honeslty I didn't bought this tablet to use it like a pnd
But wifi, speed of nand, virtual keybord, are relly awfull....sometimes far from cheaper tablets sold by other manifacturer...or by the same Asus!
Now I'm tryimg to make understand to some dumb guy of asus assistance that I could not upgrade to latest firmware because my tablet don't show serial number anymore...and I haven't erase by mistake. It came back from Asus service without s/n, where I sent in rma 2 month ago. The only answer I had is that I have the last firmware..and this is obviously false!
Here none talk about a class action against Asus, but I hope you Canadian could be more lucky in your fight against Asus, that onceI considered one of the best brands
Well, here in Canada, when it came out, it was clearly advertised with GPS feature. And while I agree with you, even if did not buy it only for that feature, i expect it to work when needed........compare that to the air conditiining in my car, even if i dont use it during the 6 months if winter, when summer comes, and its 100 degrees outside, i expect it not to blow hot air.......and thats exactly what the GPS is so far.....a whole lot of hot air, and nothing else !
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speed4134 said:
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
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I have encountered these RMA robots,you will never get anywhere with them.I emailed one of the lawyers on the casa and he said Asus would award us $17 for lack of GPS and give us a gps dongle. WOW I'm so excited .F******g assholes.
speed4134 said:
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
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WOW! Earth shattering stuff!! How has nobody submitted this as a news tip?
Asus already gave out free GPS dongles to everyone who has purchased the Prime before and even a bit after the GPS feature advertisement was removed. The Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine. Let it go already.
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WOW! Earth shattering stuff!! How has nobody submitted this as a news tip?
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If you took 2 seconds and read the post, you would have first realized that
1) it's in the Q/A section....so, in fact, it's not a ' tip'....
2) the title is '' Any news on the class action suit '?
Soooooooo, the post is a genuine question. don't get you panties wet !
I know there is a class action suit, i just want to know if there has been a settlement, or any developpement.
And has far as the dongle goes, just to let you know, I requested mine in april, and never got it
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Asus already gave out free GPS dongles to everyone who has purchased the Prime before and even a bit after the GPS feature advertisement was removed. The Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine. Let it go already.
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What do you mean saying "Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine"? If it's weak isn't working fine!
What is wifi good for if do not allow to move to a room 10 meters far from access point (wifi n protocol)??
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Well, here in Canada, when it came out, it was clearly advertised with GPS feature. And while I agree with you, even if did not buy it only for that feature, i expect it to work when needed........compare that to the air conditiining in my car, even if i dont use it during the 6 months if winter, when summer comes, and its 100 degrees outside, i expect it not to blow hot air.......and thats exactly what the GPS is so far.....a whole lot of hot air, and nothing else !
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If you buy a car that has not air conditioned at all, or has a not working air conditioned and you know this before buying that car, than you can't complain with seller if you need in summer but it don't work.
But this, according to me, is not the worst issue in tf201...even if is not a good advertisement for asus and this tablet.
The worst are features that should have to work perfectly, wifi above all.
asus just doesn't give a damn about the customers,
we bought their $500 POS and pretty much they're going f-off now
i given up with the GPS and wifi issue
but my camera has been RMA twice for the same problem (green lines)
now it has happened again, clearly ASUS is doing something wrong and should fix the problem instead of patching it... so it'll break again down the road....
i emailed them all they did was offer RMA
after i explained to them that RMA is clearly not fixing the problem permanently, they ignored my emails since then
posted on their FB, they replied me going "we're sorry that you're unhappy about our product, is there anything i can help you with" i explain it to them, and they ignored me there
like wth is this service? -_-
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What do you mean saying "Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine"? If it's weak isn't working fine!
What is wifi good for if do not allow to move to a room 10 meters far from access point (wifi n protocol)??
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It works fine meaning that you turn it on and it works if you are in a good range of your router. It gets weak when you move far away from it, but Asus never advertised their tablet to have the greatest WiFi strength. Does it make the Prime a bad tablet? Probably, but there is no legal case here, unlike the GPS which simply just didn't work to any acceptable degree, which Asus remedied with the dongle.
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speed4134 said:
If you took 2 seconds and read the post, you would have first realized that
1) it's in the Q/A section....so, in fact, it's not a ' tip'....
2) the title is '' Any news on the class action suit '?
Soooooooo, the post is a genuine question. don't get you panties wet !
I know there is a class action suit, i just want to know if there has been a settlement, or any developpement.
And has far as the dongle goes, just to let you know, I requested mine in april, and never got it
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in spite of the fact I read and understood your entire post, it really didnt deserve 2 seconds. Its another crying the blues because you were not smart enough to return a product you found defective in the return window offered by your retail establishment. This is xda not asus north america. Nobody here should give a damn about product warranty as we should be here to void the warranty. Unfortunately somebody told people like you where a forum named transformer prime exists. stupid google. Not going to get into the reasons for it but YOU SHOULD HAVE RETURNED IT WHEN YOU FIRST DISCOVERED IT DIDNT MEET YOUR NEEDS. That being said if you want a gps dongle I dont really need mine for anything but testing if it works on a rom. PM me and I will mail you mine at my own expense if you promise not to post another waste of space complaint thread. It works very well
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in spite of the fact I read and understood your entire post, it really didnt deserve 2 seconds. Its another crying the blues because you were not smart enough to return a product you found defective in the return window offered by your retail establishment. This is xda not asus north america. Nobody here should give a damn about product warranty as we should be here to void the warranty. Unfortunately somebody told people like you where a forum named transformer prime exists. stupid google. Not going to get into the reasons for it but YOU SHOULD HAVE RETURNED IT WHEN YOU FIRST DISCOVERED IT DIDNT MEET YOUR NEEDS. That being said if you want a gps dongle I dont really need mine for anything but testing if it works on a rom. PM me and I will mail you mine at my own expense if you promise not to post another waste of space complaint thread. It works very well
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Really, nobody gives a damn about product waranty?.......that might reflect your own opinion, not mine, not the majority of people.
So,, next time, just resist waisting your precious time.....' cause you've waisted mine also... .........still no answer to the original question.....'' any news on the class action suit ?
That's all i'm asking
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Really, nobody gives a damn about product waranty?.......that might reflect your own opinion, not mine, not the majority of people.
So,, next time, just resist waisting your precious time.....' cause you've waisted mine also... .........still no answer to the original question.....'' any news on the class action suit ?
That's all i'm asking
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Apparently you do not understand the title of this website. Developers do things that void warranties in order to bring out the best in the item they are working with. your comments belong here http://www.facebook.com/IHateAsusComputers with other non doing complainers. by the way 2 r's in warranty and no i's in wasted.
How in the Holy Hellz is Samsung getting a free pass on the Note 7 debacle?? I even see mainstream Android pundits saying they did about the best they could. That's horseradish. Does anyone else notice how this is being kind of swept under the rug...and quickly too, so they can move on to the Next Big Thing???
Samsung is only offering 100 dollars to people who buy another Samsung phone. The only Samsung phone that is even remotely close to the Note 7 is the S7. So Samsung is trying to entice its customers to buy a phone that is about to iterate in 2-3 months.
What of customers that traded their phones? Many did so comfortable in the knowledge they had a new, functioning phone. Now they have nothing if they choose a straight up refund. Nobody can really "refund the transaction," because to truly redo the transaction they would need the traded phone back...(I was okay with giving up my Note-4 for 40 dollars as long as it was going toward a brand new Note 7. I am not okay with just giving up my phone for 40 bucks and now having nothing but crappy choices).
At best, users came in looking for an upgrade, only to loose everything. Many had to go back to their original phones (if they still have them), and eat the costs of any accessories over 25 dollars.
At a minimum, Samsung should give users a substantial credit toward the next new Samsung phone that is coming very soon.
You're lucky. Here in the UK we've been offered sweet FA.
Well not strictly true, we've been offered a S7 or S7 Edge and a refund on the difference or a chance to cancel the contract free of charge.
Can't really complain. Already got full refund. Also got 2 gear fit2 out of this. They said they'd refund note7 specific accessories, too.
It's going to cost Samsung $30-50 billion dollars - that's BILLION WITH A B - before all this is finally resolved. It will probably hurt them drastically for the next 12 to 18 months so, no, they're not getting a free pass over this.
They're paying for it, substantially.
I really don't care what it's costing them, as a consumer who feels pretty burned (sorry) I don't see why I should. They wasted a lot of our time and in some cases money for a product they apparently didn't test enough.
Sent from my iPad using a walled garden.
There's no reward without risk - in today's world, everything is a risk, absolute consumer safety is 100% impossible and they do the best they can given the situation at hand. iPhones have caught on fire and exploded also, lest people keep forgetting that. Other brands and manufacturers have had issues with their products of various kinds as well.
You can't test for the random events that happen, the world is just too damned complex for that and small compact incredibly complicated electronics technology just takes that to levels magnitudes greater further making it effectively impossible to be able to predict what will actually happen in any given situation.
Two Note 7 devices rolling off the assembly line one right after the other are not identical, none of them are to be honest, when you really break it down.
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At a minimum, Samsung should give users a substantial credit toward the next new Samsung phone that is coming very soon.
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There's a tone in the past few posts I've read where people sound like they're still negotiating. The Note7's over. Talking about what Samsung should have or could have done is pointless. They've lost billions and trashed their brand image. Some people will stay with them (I did) some people won't. It would be a good idea to do something special for previous Note7 owners when the next generation of Galaxy's are released but I wouldn't count on it. Just like I wouldn't count on getting anything anyone hasn't gotten in the mean time. In the U.S. they had always been offering a $25 carrier credit for people that exchanged or returned their Note7's. They upped it by another $75 if the phone people exchanged in to was a Samsung phone. And that as they say is that.