[Q] Best/Most Natural Handwritten note taking experience on the Prime - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

Hey guys,
So I have been reeeaaallly looking forward to use my Transformer Prime as a note taking device. I tried a $5 stylus, it had a very fat tip and clearly not even remotely ideal for taking notes.
I want the end experience to be as close to taking notes on a piece of paper as possible, so that I can avoid using paper and pen.
In this regard, please answer me the following questions:
1) What stylus do you use?
2) What app do you use to write handwritten notes?
3) Does it really feel just as natural to write with that stylus and app combo as a real life paper and pen/pencil?
Thanks for the help!

1) I have a DAGi P507 pen. It has a clear plate and the feel of the pen it self is really good. It came with extra tip, clear stickers to protect the plate and even an extra stylus for my phone.
2) I have tried almost every note taking app there is on the market, but haven't really found any that I really like. Best so far have been FreeNote, Antipaper Notes and Genial writing.
3) The experience is no where near natural. Recognition is way too slow and it won't pick up any small movement. I have heard alot about app called TouchScreen Tune, which they say should improve handwriting and drawing, but I haven't tested it myself yet, because I can't root my device at the moment.

I have no idea whether it is hardware or software related but the ipad has a really nice feel to it when handwriting with notability. I think android just needs to catch up in software optimization and we'll get there someday. For now just make do with what you have. I have found that ezpdf with a blank white pdf is good for note taking. I am using the adonit jot stylus with thermal grease in tip. Good luck.

Pirkule said:
1) I have a DAGi P507 pen. It has a clear plate and the feel of the pen it self is really good. It came with extra tip, clear stickers to protect the plate and even an extra stylus for my phone.
2) I have tried almost every note taking app there is on the market, but haven't really found any that I really like. Best so far have been FreeNote, Antipaper Notes and Genial writing.
3) The experience is no where near natural. Recognition is way too slow and it won't pick up any small movement. I have heard alot about app called TouchScreen Tune, which they say should improve handwriting and drawing, but I haven't tested it myself yet, because I can't root my device at the moment.
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Regarding the sensitivity of the Prime:
I have also heard of TouchScreen Tune, and I've seen it in action on the Samsung Galaxy Tablet. It seemed to work great on that tablet, so I imagine a similar experience can be expected on the ATP.
Ultimately, it increased sensitivity so it can pick up all those small movements. So I recommend you give it a shot if you can't seem to get a good feel for the default values (of screen sensitivity).

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Wacom Bamboo Stylus

Just found a new stylus by wacom,bamboo stylus
http://www.wacom.eu/index2.asp?lang=en
Looks promising, should be due out this month. It has the thinnest nib of any stylus on the market, and since I take alot of stylus notes (maple paint and genial) I think this is a must have for me.
I have ordered it from their site, delivery is within 14 days, i am currently using the Boxwave one but like this one because it is the size of an average ball point pen which I would prefer. Hope it works as well as or better than the Boxwave. I went for it because of wacom's reputation.
Can be ordered from here:
http://eu.shop.wacom.eu/Bamboo/Bamboo-Stylus/Bamboo-Stylus?c=9149
ordered a dagi one as the bamboo looks pretty pricey for.....a possibly better designed rubber nub. I use a wacom tablet and know they make some nice stuff, but it doesn't seem to be much different than the cheaper alternatives out there.
The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
lacrossev said:
ordered a dagi one ....The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
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I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
Think will order one, will give a review of it when received, but probably be a few weeks before I get it
does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
bdangol said:
does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
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Its not anything that will work like a wacom tablet + their stylus. This is just a regular capacitive stylus with the nub at the end of it, it just so happens that wacom makes it. Theres no interactivity between the stylus and the device other than the contact of the nib. So yea, it will work fine with the TF101, as will all capactive styli on the market today.
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tonyz3 said:
I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
I ordered the DAGI too.
I'll also provide feedback once I receive it.
mias1 said:
That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
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Well the way I see it when u are handwriting your movements should just follow your first stroke. I tried writing quickly and found the dot to be useless because I'm writing so fast I'm just going by muscle memory instead of trying to aim it
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I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
Discusbass said:
I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
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I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
HasC said:
I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
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first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
danielcmacedo said:
first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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That looks awesome, im going to use it for marking up pdf drawings in the field. If i can keep somewhat a straightish line its a winner.
@ Delecron:
You can draw lines using Repligo reader or EZpdf which also allows you to draw in freehand if necessary.
HasC said:
Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Had an email from the developer a couple of days ago where he apologised for not getting back to an email that I had sent him when he first put the software on the market where I requested from him a few changes such as having the undo and other tools at the top instead of having to select them via the menu option. He has done this and made a few other changes that enhance the software e.g. the little arrows on the bottom corner on the right to position the writing area etc.
Hopefully he should be releasing the full version fairly soon because he also advised that the reason for late response to emails was because he is hard at work improving the software before release which in his estimation is a couple of weeks.
I am checking for software updates daily for Tabnotes as I too can see the potential of this program and it is definitely my first choice for producing hand written notes on my tablet.
Too costly, even though the quality is there I just can't pay that much. Probably going to buy a few of these.

Handwriting on the Prime

I know there's tons of threads out there about this issue but I wanted a flat out answer. So is the diagonal line issue a firmware issue or a hardware issue? In my language class (vietnamese) I take handwritten notes using ipad 2 using notability and adonit jot, and I am very happy with it, however there are many things that the Prime does that the ipad 2 cannot do (e.g. flash) and I would like to transition into android however using the Prime I cannot draw the necessary characters in class due to whatever glitches in the hardware firmware. Vietnamese requires a lot of diagonal slashes, squiggles, and hooks and the Prime isn't cutting it for me right now. Is this something that can be fixed in the future or is it a hardware limitation?
P.S. not willing to wait then shell out a boat load of money for the atmus whatever pen.
say what? Never heard anything about diagonal line issues link pls
Works with stylus but you may want to use touch screen tune to tweak for smooth op with no skips. Palm detect does not work. I use a stylus daily for taking notes and works fine.
Well it works alright if you have a good stylus, but i prefer real paper and a pen, or just write it with the keyboard dock. But thats just my preference.
Does someone want to actually answer the OP
These responses are not helping the guy. He is not asking if you CAN take notes, or how it works or if it works well or not. He is referring to a specific issue with the Prime (and others regarding the rendition of diagonal lines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHpfkI6l1-0&sns=tw
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...mer-primetouch-screen-response-is-this-normal
If you don't have an answer for him, why post a comment? I will only say that the Prime, unlike HTC Tablets with digitizers and the Samsung Note I believe DOES have issues here. I am sorry that I do not know if firmware alone can fix it, all of my research has been inconclusive to date. If anyone knows if this is likely to be unfix able, and WHY that would be really helpful. For everyone who wants to say how they take notes with a a pen and paper, or like how the Prime takes notes with Adjonit Jot or other fine point styli, thats great, but not too helpful.
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These responses are not helping the guy. He is not asking if you CAN take notes, or how it works or if it works well or not. He is referring to a specific issue with the Prime (and others regarding the rendition of diagonal lines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHpfkI6l1-0&sns=tw
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...mer-primetouch-screen-response-is-this-normal
If you don't have an answer for him, why post a comment? I will only say that the Prime, unlike HTC Tablets with digitizers and the Samsung Note I believe DOES have issues here. I am sorry that I do not know if firmware alone can fix it, all of my research has been inconclusive to date. If anyone knows if this is likely to be unfix able, and WHY that would be really helpful. For everyone who wants to say how they take notes with a a pen and paper, or like how the Prime takes notes with Adjonit Jot or other fine point styli, thats great, but not too helpful.
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Hello thanks for defending me I appreciate it. I own the original asus transformer as well as the iPad 2 and I can say that both are much more capable of handwritten notes than the asus prime. It's not just the fact that the htc flyer and Samsung note have active digitizers it is the digitizer software or hardware on the prime that there are problems with using a stylus. If you slowly make a diagonal line in any program even with touchscreen tune you'll see that the lines are jagged for some reason and not straight like on the original transformer or iPad 2 which also do not haves active digitizers. I cannot use the prime to annotate PDFs as it is now and am wondering if this can be fixed in the future or should I look for another device to fit my needs if that makes it clearer at all. Thank you.
But can you write in normal letters?
I ordered the Prime specifically for handwriting, so i really want to know this.
If not, is the original transformer capable of writing normal letters?
It is quite choppy and doesn't feel natural at all. Asus transformer is much better but still not the best. If specifically for handwriting I would look elsewhere at this point like towards a lenovo thinkpad tablet or something with an active digitizer unless an update will fix this and make it like the original transformer. As for me i was looking for the best of both worlds and hoped to find it here but i guess not. Good luck in your search.
Splitert said:
But can you write in normal letters?
I ordered the Prime specifically for handwriting, so i really want to know this.
If not, is the original transformer capable of writing normal letters?
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Thanks, so it doesn't look like this on your prime?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195Z4V6qO-Y
This looks acceptable for me for handwriting.
Seeing this vid it looks like it is a problem with hardware, as a friend of mine doesn't have the choppy lines too.
Anyway, I will test it on the one on display in the shop before I buy it.
Yes it is like that if you watch the video handwriting only registers when he writes really slowly. How is there any way I can keep up in class writing in slow motion? But anyway if this fits your needs and is acceptable for you then go for it the only way you'll ever know is by testing it out yourself right?
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Thanks, so it doesn't look like this on your prime?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195Z4V6qO-Y
This looks acceptable for me for handwriting.
Seeing this vid it looks like it is a problem with hardware, as a friend of mine doesn't have the choppy lines too.
Anyway, I will test it on the one on display in the shop before I buy it.
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handwriting just doesn't work for me
This is the best i can manage on the prime.
This combination of Bamboo stylus and Quill was *nearly* perfect for me on the Transformer.
The Bamboo and certain apps on a different tablet we entirely usable, even better than paper and pencil for me especially when taking notes on textbooks or pdfs in class. I *want* that ability on the Prime! It is essential for me.
In the image you can see three attempts that say approximately the same thing each time, written at a pace that worked okay on the Transformer, and perfectly on the iPad 2.
Each example also demonstrates three setting levels for Touchscreen tuner.
I need suggestions. Does anyone know how to get substantially better results?
I've just ordered a few pens , dagi and Adonit jot. and planing on testing the screen/ touch calibration tool l found on the market.
Has anyone had any luck in improving the accuracy of the screen??
I would like to see your results. my post above yours includes examples of using touchscreen tune.
now if i slow my pace of writing to glacially slow and write twice as large as i need to i can get better results. that example was at the pace i need.
I'm still waiting for the pens, will probably have to root the device.
a short story
Ok a short update / review:
I have ranked the 3 pens and tested them with 4 different apps.
The score:
based on 1-10 ( 1 = super crap , 10 the mother/father/brother of all pens thus far)
Quality : build quality from the handle to the tips. Potential durability
Accuracy: this is based on the "limited time" l have had to play with them, as well as the fact that l haven't yet tried to tune the screen etc
Speed: How fast can you ink with realistic accuracy
overall feel: how does it feel to use etc
total score: guess what this means....
Misc: other factors that might have en impact, both positive and negative. Note this one does not impact the overall score.
The targus and pogo sketch it pens l have rated as 6,5/10 .
Quality : 7 / 10
Accuracy: 6 / 10
speed: 6,5 / 10 ( you have to ink slower then feels natural)
overall feel: 7 / 10
total score: 6,5 - 7 / 10 depending on use
Both were ok, and decent enough for browsing and quick sketch, but note taking was a bit awkward in the long run. Quality was about the same, l got both second hand so wont go into detail.
Pens
Wacom Bamboo standard softtip
Adonit Jot swivel hard tip
Dagi swivel hard tip on a spring
For review sake l also got a pen from targus and sketch it ( both soft tips)
apps
supernotes
Freenotes
Writepad Stylus
Lecture pad trial
The app l had the most success with was actually the supernotes. Though the writepad stylus was a close second. This is based on accuracy and useability on the default settings. With that said writepad and freenotes have a lot of customisation functions, while supernote is rather basic. The lecture pad was by no means bad, it's very similar to freenotes , but has a lot more "lecture functionality" that l didn't test. The focus was on the pens and not the apps.
In short
out of the box, supernotes.
if you ahve time to tinker and play around with it then any of the other three will do just fine. The main difference is what you need it for and what extra functions , such as "notebooks" and save to pdf, jpeg ..other formats, are available.
Impressions of the pens.
Note these impressions are based on about 2 + hours of use with each pen. testing writing , notes, sketch and basic drawing ( l suck at the last part, but gave it a go non the less) I will mention accuracy , but will not provide any picture just yet ( having problems with rooting my tab and havent tuend the screen yet)
Wacom
Is one of the best soft tip pens l have tested. It has a good feel and solid gripp and the smalest soft tip of the 3 soft tip ones. Feels like a quality kit, though l can imagine the tips wear down fast if used a lot.
With that said the tip is a tad too soft. As in it caves in on it self , and for best effect you have to press harder then with the targus or sketch it ones.
Rating
Quality : 8 / 10. Fells like a good piece of kit, might have issues with the tips of the pen in the long run. 2 spares included.
Accuracy: 6,5 / 10 , ok for sketch but notetaking is too impractical. Needs a lot of preassure to register. Actually more then the pogo and targus.
Speed:: 7 / 10 , it takes some pressure for it to register and that slows you down, as well as the lack to sensitivity. Might be screen / app related-
overall feel: 7,5 / 10 , sits well in hand , there is enough resistance while inking that it has a sort of paper feel to it, and the tips are soft so no risk of screen damage.
total score: 7,5 /10
Misc: Questionable if it's worth the extra cash in comparison with targus, griffin or pogo. Spare tips are expensive
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Adonit jot.
Very diferent from the other pens l have tested. Take a look at the site and you'll see what l mean. It's a sort of small glass plate attached on a ball joint that sort of swivels . Interesting and novel concept. It gives you a smaller "tip" and at the same time gives you a better view of what you are trying to draw/ write. An example is when you are drawing a box, hitting the lines exactly spot on is much harder when you can actually see what part of the tip is actually registering .with the see through plate you can hit the exact point ( more or less) and allows for much greater precision. Big bonus.
Overall quality is rather impressive. though on the web page they keep talking about a magnet in the pens so you can attach it to the side of the tab. that does NOT work on Transformer prime, though it did work with an ipad l borrowed.
The tip seems sturdy and you don't have to apply much pressure for anything to register on the screen. though l am a tad worried about scratching the screen. Guess that depends on how much you push. it comes with tip cover that is screwed on so the tips isn't exposed when it's not in use.( think old school pens with a smal cap on the tip)
Score
Quality : 9 / 10, feels like a premium piece of kit, high quality materiials used.
Accuracy: 8,5 / 10 , the see-through helps a lot, and you don't need to press down so hard. it glides quite easily over the screen
Speed: 8,5 / 10 sort of same reason as above, but you still have to move a tad slower then feel natural. again might be screen or app related.
overall feel: 9 / 10 one of the best l have tried thus far, sits well. easy to use. Good quality
total score: 9
Misc: Quick delivery, but no extra glass plates / tips for the pen?? not a big issue but still...
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Dagi
It's based around the same concept as the Adonit jot, but instead of a ball joint it's connected to a rather stiff mini spring system. That in it self requires somewhat more pressure, and makes it a tad cumbersome to write and draw on and angle. Note, the tips are softer ,thig less glass and more rubberised plastic, still see through.It doesn't glide over the screen as smoothly as the adonit jot, but the extra friction does make it feel more like a pen. It's up to personal preference.
Quality wise it's very similar to the adonit jot, but the jot has a tad more premium feel to it. I'de say it a tad lower on the scale. One cool feature is that it got a pen clip function so you can attach it like a real pen. This is more look and feel the practicality. but it makes it easier to attach to a note book or in a case with a pen holder.It also comes with a pen cap / cover thing that you can screw on to protect you tips.
Quality : 8 / 10 , still good quality , but the jot feels a tad more high end. Still rather fancy. The tip is sturdier , and stiffer, but might be more prone to breaking / falling off. Though you do get 3 extras.
Accuracy:8 / 10 , it's somewhat stiffer and a tad more awkward to use at angles. It keeps wanting to straighten up. the increased friction of the tip might make it a tad less accurate.
Speed:: 8 / 10 the rubberised tip increases friction, but sensitivity isn't affected much.
overall feel: 8 / 10 , it sort of comes down to personal preference between this one and the jot. if l didn't have the jot to compare with then well then this one would have been the king of the hill.
total score: 8 / 10 not much to say really.
Misc, not much to say here either. It is a good little stylus. Relatively accurate , easy to get used to. I even got an extra gift from dagi ( no clue why), a mini iphone pen, same principle but much smaller .
Last Word.
Even with the best stylus, l had issues with snesitivivty and accuracy. And of course the wriggly lines ( when you try to draw a straight line). The straightness of the lines were direcly related to speed. the faster l drew the lines the more straight it got, but l still feel the accuracy was lower then on the ipad.
This doesn't have *that much effect on note taking. The biggest issue here is the sensitivity issue, and general accuracy when it came to note taking, ie writing legible letters. Even with the best one, l had to write slower and larger for it to be legible. I haven't don much inking on other tabs , but l do have a lenovo x210 tablet at home with a built in wacom pressure board. And trust me BIG difference. Lenovo = as good as a pen and paper , Transformer prime = pen and fat white board marker . ( ok maybe not *that bad, but close enough)
Hope this helps, I'm trying to root the pad and calibrate the screen. then l might take the time to do a point to point comparison test of accuracy and speed one again.
Hi, I bought prime yesterday and updated it to ics and 9.4.2.21. One thing I would like to do with my tablet is to take handwritten notes. It doesn't seem to do that very well at the moment. Is there a safe way to install touchscreen tune in my device (will i lose warranty)? Or are there any similar apps that wouldn't need root?
Biggest problems seems to be that recognition of writing is too slow and it won't pick up small movement. Diagonal lines aren't straigth when drawing, but that isn't major issue for me.
well the app in i self is very safe, but you have to root the unit. Since you only have to root the unit and NOT unlock it for the app to work then the warranty etc is still good to go.
Go here and follow the root instructions, trust me easy as cake , took like 2 min all good.
this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427125
and this one ( same info but simplified)
http://www.androidauthority.com/root-asus-transformer-prime-in-one-click-44242/
let me know if you run into problems.
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well the app in i self is very safe, but you have to root the unit. Since you only have to root the unit and NOT unlock it for the app to work then the warranty etc is still good to go.
Go here and follow the root instructions, trust me easy as cake , took like 2 min all good.
this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427125
and this one ( same info but simplified)
http://www.androidauthority.com/root-asus-transformer-prime-in-one-click-44242/
let me know if you run into problems.
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Thanks, but are you sure those guides work on latest update? Other users are saying, that there aren't root for .21 yet...
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You can take good notes with the Prime, im using a cheap 4euro Stylus and it works perfectly, BUT, Touchscreen Tuner is needed for it to work.
Check my post about it here
Okay, I just copied one of your Posts using SuperNote and my Touchscreen Settings. It looks good imo, the last part looks way better not cause the Prime, but because I cant for my live write "pretty" if I have to write somewhat fast lol.
Here are my settings:
- Min movement amount: 0
- Disable movement filtering: checked
- Touch sensitivity: 30
- Palm detection: 0 (recommended for stylus writting).
then go to the menu (top-right) button, tap on "Set filter off value" and set it to 0. < this last part is super important, without this and filter check off it looks like your pic.
I think the prime does a wonderful job, I just gotta re-learn how to write lol sorry for my awful handwritting ^^

[Q] Taking notes during classes

I want to know if anyone take notes with your transformer. And i need an opinion about a good cheap capacitive pen, and a good app tu take these notes. Thank you all.
PS- I live in Portugal. If I were to buy online I would prefer buying at least inside the EU.
I'm using the classic pen from www.adonit.net. It's a wonderful pen for only 20 dollars. It's super acurate and works wonders.
As for the app i use, I use a couple diffrent ones. I find that when i need to type something, like review questions for a quiz, Kingsoft Office works wonders.
https://market.android.com/details?id=cn.wps.moffice_eng&hl=en
As for notes with the pen and such, I use WritePad.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.writepad&hl=en
There's also another app called antipaper, but I dont't have the pro version of that. If you need screen shots I can post some later. Otherwise check out the Adonit Jot thread for screens of diffrent not taking apps, and the pen it's self.
i just use the built in one called supernote. You can type fine as well as handwrite and add anotations such as diagrams. been using it now for about 4 months with no issue
I'm taking a lot of notes.
It's not easy, far from writing on paper, yet dooable and saves you a lot of time and strugle with sheets of paper and notebooks.
Cheap styluses - are very bad, don't buy them.
Adonit Jot - better for writing.
A tablet with digitizer stylus will be probably a much better choice for taking handwritten notes (although I'm not sure if accuracy of those kind of styluses is enough for easy writing).
Hi!
Thanks a lot all the answers. I see that this Adonit Jot is the way to go. Another thing, when I write on paper, e usually do a lot of pressure, if I accidentally put to much pressure writing can I wreck the screen/pen? Thanks again.
BU2T3R said:
Hi!
Thanks a lot all the answers. I see that this Adonit Jot is the way to go. Another thing, when I write on paper, e usually do a lot of pressure, if I accidentally put to much pressure writing can I wreck the screen/pen? Thanks again.
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Please do additional research on the Jot before you purchase it. Read the entire thread from start to finish than google it and read others opinions. There is a lot of problems with skipping but than again alot of people have no issues with it. I guess the luck of the draw.
I do a lot of handwriting each day for work and i tried the jot but had issues so i returned it- it wasn;t for me- I went back to my cheap Acase II stylus purchased on Ebay $9.95 delivered. And it works the best. One thing to do when you use a rubber tip stylus is to clean your screen than coat it with RainX and you will have no binding of the rubber tip stylus. And minimal fingerprints- will need to recoat once a month.
I use Antipaper, Supernote and Genial writer, Another one which is new but will be good is Phatpad- this one needs some improvement but keep watching for additional updates before you purchase it.
Good luck.
Edit: I forgot to mention this beta app i just started using- 7Notes handwriting recongnition works great so far- also works with evernote
https://market.android.com/details?....sevenknowledge.sevennotesbetaen&rdot=1&pli=1
Thanks a lot for your opinion. Just one thing, what is this RainX coating? I'm not sure I´ve understood what it does. About the App, i've been playing with supernote, and it isn't the type of App I was looking for. My idea is an App with Blank pages where I can copy things from de board in class, just like a normal printer paper. Thanks again!
BU2T3R said:
Thanks a lot for your opinion. Just one thing, what is this RainX coating? I'm not sure I´ve understood what it does. About the App, i've been playing with supernote, and it isn't the type of App I was looking for. My idea is an App with Blank pages where I can copy things from de board in class, just like a normal printer paper. Thanks again!
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You can find Rainx in any auto section of any store. It is a wax'ish coating that you apply to glass. ( you can not put it over a screen protector- only use if you don't use a screen protector.) I have been using it for well over a year on a few devices and it works great. really cuts down on fingerprints and makes your stylus smoothly work on the screen,
For your note taking are you looking to draw diagrams along with notes or just notes. If just notes than genial writer is the smoothest note taker. but if you need to draw diagrams etc than some of the others listed. What problems do you have with supernote- maybe we can help.
Thanks for the info. I need to take notes and also draw some circuits and graphs. My problem with Supernote is that I've never used it before =P, but now I think I can make it work for what I want. Thanks!
Skipping is easy to fix with conductive grease (or toothpaste). I just did second test after a few weeks of first applying the toothpaste - I had to replace the toothpaste because it dried out but after that the writing is without skipping and doesn't require any force again. (coductive grease wouldn't require replacing so often).
tonyz3 said:
Edit: I forgot to mention this beta app i just started using- 7Notes handwriting recongnition works great so far- also works with evernote
https://market.android.com/details?....sevenknowledge.sevennotesbetaen&rdot=1&pli=1
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Thanks for recommending this app, absolutely superb. No other app to date can match the accuracy of this app.
HasC said:
Thanks for recommending this app, absolutely superb. No other app to date can match the accuracy of this app.
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Yes I am loving it also. Glad I could help.
tonyz3 said:
You can find Rainx in any auto section of any store. It is a wax'ish coating that you apply to glass.
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It's actually a silicone polymer...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain-X
EDIT: Just to be on-topic - I am still waiting to receive my Estylo .1.1 from Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plai-tv/estylo-11-magnetic-dual-tip-capacitive-stylus-for). I'll let you know how it turns out!
I use saliva to make the Jot better . I'll possibly come back to add pics of my notes.
I use supernote although it does FC sometimes
7-note is pretty slick if all you are doing is text. Doesn't seem like there is a good way to sketch pictures.
i keep going back to ezpdf for my note taking needs.
I'm liking SuperNote. I'm not sure where it came from. Is it in the ICS rom?
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using xda premium
Hand on touch screen
awesome thread. i was actually looking for something like this but i got other question. when you get the stylus do you have to keep your hand of the touch screen? when you're writing on paper your pen just follow your hand but on touchscreen it might be tricky right?this is software thing for sure. So finally my question can some of the apps you mentioned handle this? That is just recognize the "sharp" stylus and not your "huge" hand?
I used to have trouble with it, but I just write like I would "properly" or as a Chinese calligraphy thingie.
Hand on touch screen
ok never mind. found it. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/writepad-handwriting-optimised-for-stylus-beta-testers-required/

Experience with stylus

I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Cheers
raundown said:
I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Cheers
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I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.​
I have a Jot classic, and it works great. The sensitivity is very good.
http://adonit.net/jot/
zylstrajs said:
I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.​
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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I've used Papyrus on my Note 2 quite a bit and it is one hell of a lot better that S-Note. Using it with a stylus on the XTZ is a big difference for me, I have used styluses (styli?) In the past on other tablets (Kindle Fire, original Asus Transformer, and a couple others) and there is a huge difference in the XTZ and other tablets. It seems like the XTZ is much much better and responds faster than the others but there is much to be desired IMHO. It is doable most definitely and works better than the others over personally tested, except for the Sammy devices, but if you want a tablet specifically for note taking and serious drawing I think you would be better off either getting one of the Note tablets or a Wacom tablet.
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Sketching / note taking on the Prime

Hey everyone, I've had this idea of trying to merge the use of my transformer prime with my business. I go out to several homes a day to take measurements for various things, as well as sketch rough drawings. Does anyone here use their tablet for something similar?
The reason I ask is because I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and the stylus that comes with that has a nice fine tip that I can create notes and drawings in Evernote pretty well with.. but that stylus won't work on the transformer. So I ordered the Wacom Bamboo stylus with the rubber end. But when I write numbers like "39 3/4" or something -- it looks like a 5 year old wrote it. Same goes for the simple drawings and the dimensions.
Are there any options available that can make the tablet useful for this type of work?
Thanks everyone,
An excellent app for Android for stylus-based notes and sketches is LectureNotes. It has a ton of features, and the developer keeps improving the app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acadoid.lecturenotes
Quill is also a pretty good writing/sketching app, but not as many features as LectureNotes:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.write.Quill
For styluses that have finer control, you may want to consider some of the following stylus makers:
iFaraday: has a dielectric micro-mesh surface, which is stiffer than than rubber-tip stylus. I have the Artist version, and it's great for sketching.
Adonit: the Jot Pro fine-point stylus, has a transparent disc so you can better see the point of contact. Good for handwriting.
DAGi: similar in style to the Adonit, in a variety of sizes.
Gary_O said:
An excellent app for Android for stylus-based notes and sketches is LectureNotes. It has a ton of features, and the developer keeps improving the app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acadoid.lecturenotes
Quill is also a pretty good writing/sketching app, but not as many features as LectureNotes:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.write.Quill
For styluses that have finer control, you may want to consider some of the following stylus makers:
iFaraday: has a dielectric micro-mesh surface, which is stiffer than than rubber-tip stylus. I have the Artist version, and it's great for sketching.
Adonit: the Jot Pro fine-point stylus, has a transparent disc so you can better see the point of contact. Good for handwriting.
DAGi: similar in style to the Adonit, in a variety of sizes.
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Thank you for the recommendations! I did search quite a bit when it came to which stylus to order and I did see the Jot Pro. I was going to order it but I saw a few YouTube videos of people using it and it wasn't working all that great.
Basically my sketches would be very limited to some rather basic line drawings.. it's not like I'm sketching faces or anything elaborate. So I'd much rather have something more geared to neater handwriting.
As far as the apps go, do they themselves have anything to do with the responsiveness of the device? I know the answer is probably no, but I was wondering if their software tends to "correct" on the fly making for neater lines or whatever.. I'm not sure if that question is completely clear or not.
The reason I ask is because I like Evernote's interface and I like that you can synchronize accounts with certain notebooks, etc.
As far as a technical question goes -- do you know why my galaxy note's stylus will not work with the prime? I read that they are both capacitive touch screens.. but I guess there is more to it than just that.
Thanks again!
mmerlina said:
As far as the apps go, do they themselves have anything to do with the responsiveness of the device? I know the answer is probably no, but I was wondering if their software tends to "correct" on the fly making for neater lines or whatever.. I'm not sure if that question is completely clear or not.
The reason I ask is because I like Evernote's interface and I like that you can synchronize accounts with certain notebooks, etc.
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LectureNotes and Quill do not "improve" the quality of the writing, however they both have a zoom mode where you can write larger (and more legibly) and then this is unzoomed in the captured writing. LectureNotes has some fine-tuning options to improve the screen responsiveness to the stylus, and the apps have a palm detection feature so there is an area on the screen you can rest your hand and not have that detected by the screen.
You may also want to check out the Skitch app, which is from Evernote. It does improve or smooth out writing, and integrates very well with Evernote.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.evernote.skitch
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As far as a technical question goes -- do you know why my galaxy note's stylus will not work with the prime? I read that they are both capacitive touch screens.. but I guess there is more to it than just that.
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The Galaxy Note devices have both a capacitive touch screen and an active digitizer screen that works with the special S-pen stylus. The S-pen stylus does not work on capacitive touch screens that come with most tablets (like the Prime) or smartphones. For capacitive touch screens you will need a standard capacitive stylus.

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