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What do you think about this review? GSII won in all of the tests
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2-video
Personal preference is what it comes down to for every phone and person in the world. There is no such thing as the best phone, just the best phone for each person.
That said, who cares about this review? I like my EVO3D, period. Might another phone be slightly better in some areas, sure. Does it matter, no.
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It won by like one milla second in real world you will not know the difference
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I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
What I love about all these Galaxy S II comparisons is the fact that the phone IS NOT YET AVAILABLE IN THE US!!! Carrier variants are known to have differences (HW & SW wise, especially in the US) so the small edge the test unit may have on Evo 3D can easily disappear once the REAL choice is available... just my $0.02
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I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
Does the "comparison" mention that the Samsungs build quality is the lowest of it's kind?
That the screens have these "weak spots" where it you press it too much they'll go black/dimmer?
They the charger port goes bad VERY quick and need to be replaced probably within the first 6 months.
That the speaker phone ALWAYS sounds like there's plastic film stuck in it?
I've had many Samsung phones, the only one I liked was the VERY first one I ever had back in 2002.
I'm no HTC nuthugger(because fk HTC for not releasing the unlocked bootloader) but HTC builds better phones. Simple.
Will have to revisit the test once the phone is actually available on the Sprint network, with the Sprint bloatware loaded on the Sammy. The GS2 is obviously a good phone, but this test isn't apples to apples.
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
Yes, the difference in benchmark scores is due to the differences between how the processors run. (synchronous vs. asynchronous)
on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core. Yes when you bench it, you see a difference. I mean we use our phones to use them everyday and bench them every day.
I really doubt you would see the difference between sgs2 and evo3d processor on everyday use.
This is like having a dual chip graphics card and running it on a 17inch monitor and not even use all the power. That is what android is right now, it is just not that demanding. I still highly doubt on every day use you will be able to see a difference between snapdragon dual core or samsung's new processor even with ICS.
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
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Doubtful since benchmarks that utilize one or both cores still favor the sgs2
hydrogenman said:
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
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depends on the person. I personally think that super amoled screens are over saturated, I looked at the droid charge at verizon store and I really didn't like how the colors were on the icons. Yes its a beautiful screen but I myself prefer slcd better, just because it seems like the colors are more naturals on it.
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I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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sense probably has something to do with it. It is a resource hog, although it runs smooth, it does eat up a lot of resources.
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I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
Even the gorilla glass website says our device does not have Gorilla Glass on it.
Love the review.
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on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core.
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let me stop you there, and just say you're full of it
This phone has a dual core 1.2 ghz, just came from the Infuse on AT&T with a 1.2 ghz single core. it's fine most of the time, but has annoying lags when it's doing things (installing apps comes to mind, among some others)
The evo's really yet to ever stutter or lag like the Infuse did.
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I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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It really is preference. I am looking for camera quality and SGS2 is better there so I might be moving there. The speaker quality is really good on S2 also.
But some like the heavier/build quality of HTC better. Many don't like the super amoled Samsung screens. If you love Sense its Htc. (I use launcherPro). The dev community will be stronger undoubtedly for Evo...(although SG2 was rooted immediately.)
But...it is megalight, powerful and yep, sexy.
All that said...might not see it released for a while...some release issues were reported yesterday. Google around.
Okay, so I just ran the CPU Benchmark test and got 1100mhz and 1000mhz with 430ms and 497ms.
What's everyone else getting? Just curious to compare numbers.
I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
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No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
-DJ
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That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
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No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
-DJ
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That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?
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I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.
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+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.
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Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.
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That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?
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I do think overclocking is the ****. I do it as a passion, but undervolting isn't the best way to go. Yes it can be stable with undervolting, but I think you can go way to far also. And there are apps out there that test both cores, and there will be more out there that test both cores. Dual-core phones are still pretty new. But its really a moot point, I like it, you don't, we can leave it at that. I am going to try to start working on kernels myself and learning about them. Maybe I will come up with something you like that gets the best of both worlds. I would love for there to be a kernel out that you could just switch modes. High performance, and low battery use. etc. I don't just mean governor switching, switching the kernel, I'm sure that would require just reflashing different kernels, but maybe someday it wont.
-DJ
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Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.
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I believe you are completely wrong here, the 3d sucked. The Photon can crush that snapdragon chip. I too had the 3d, but I know the Photon outperforms that thing by a long shot. The 3d was an asynchronous processor, the tegra is not.
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/03/24/nvidia-tegra-2-outperforms-qualcomm-dualcore-1015/
I found this to be quite neat:
As an upstart in the mobile industry, NVIDIA is moving at a lightning-fast pace. The company is already working on a quad-core processor called Kal-El and this should be in a retail product as early as August.
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-DJ
Ppl say snapdragon is faster because of what the chip can do theoretically but in real world it can only playback 1080p videos smoother.
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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.
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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.
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^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!
Yea I never really played any games, my evo3d had too many touch screen issues lol.
I won't own another HTC phone. I don't care what processor it has. Unless it can either A) Dive for me or B) Build my cars I have no interest what so ever in it. So I'm happy with the chipset we have. :]
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^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!
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I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
-DJ
I have the Photon, Evo 3d, and Now the Epic, and still have my OG Evo, here are my personal stats
Photon: amazing and the smoothest for gaming
Evo 3d: pretty much amazing with everything
Epic: fast and smooth and best for battery life
OG Evo: best for customization, ROM flashing, kernal flashing, and for lasting the longest out of every sprint smartphone
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I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
-DJ
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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8484/20110912125517.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2179/20110912125531.jpg
Go compare the devices yourself @ http://www.glbenchmark.com/
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I downloaded a couple of games off the nvidia game zone, I am very impressed with the quality of games and how well they run. Im gonna probably sink a lot of money into it lol. As far as nvidia vs snapdragon, its all and always been about personal preference. Both perform well for what they're designed to do.
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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8484/20110912125517.jpg
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Those benchmarks mean nothing but some random site that simply said its 10% better does lol? What are you going to base you statement off then? Can make a claim without facts right? I gave you facts that REAL WORLD test prove dual snapdragon is more powerful, faster, and etc. You're just saying "sorry you're wrong" id say you're the one that doesn't know how to debate. I mean you're asking for a debate but you got nothing but your word and some sketchy old website....lol
I got no idea, (and don't really care) but prepare for a new twist on the question, and for fanbois everywhere to get their minds BLOWN on this phone:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3064&c=samsung_shv-e120s_galaxy_s_ii_hd_lte_samsung_celox
The Samsung Galaxy 2 HD... WITH has the SAME Snapdragon CPU as our Evo.
I guess that kinda nullifies most of the arguments about the Exynos CPU being sooo awesome, lol!
On a more serious note, I'm really curious about the performance of this one. If TouchWiz gets the same kind of performance as Sense does or not, since most other things in this phone and the Evo or the Sensation XE will be equal...
Interesting...
ohmy......
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Interesting...
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Yeah, isn't it? Especially since HTC also have some HD handsets on the way ALSO with the same Snapdragon SOC, so you can make even more of a direct comparison.
People have said for years that Sense slows down HTC phones, something I don't really buy (Might make a little difference, but they had years to finetune it, so I doubt it makes a big difference).
But for the first time we'll be able to see if Sense really makes a difference in performance as opposed to Touchwiz or plain Android, and how big a difference drivers make.
And by comparing Samsungs ROM with HTCs or SEs ROMs, developers will learn a little more and might come up with some new tweaks.
So interesting indeed!
I really don't see why people are attacking the OP. He isn't trolling.
Anyway, something interesting I read was that the T-mobile Galaxy S II will be using the MSM8260 @ 1.5 Ghz. Engadget said so far from what they've seen, they couldn't see any hint of it being slower than the Exynos version of the GSII.
Here is the Xiaomi phone, which also has the 1.5 Ghz dualcore snapdragon MSM8620. They benchmarked it against the GSII and it kept us quite well.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/
Based on all of this information, its clear that other phones with very similar hardware to ours are performing noticeably better which indicates to me that our software is the culprit.
Just look how similar this phones hardware is to ours:
"Being one of the few devices sporting a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm MSM8260 SoC, we'd be silly to not do any benchmarking with the Xiaomi Phone. Accompanied by an Adreno 220 graphics processor, 1GB RAM and 4GB ROM, a slick performance is a given -- after all, Xiaomi did start off as a third-party ROM developer, so system optimization should be a piece of cake for it. From the scores we obtained, we'd say the Xiaomi Phone is on par with the Galaxy S II despite the higher clock speed: on Quadrant the former got 3,040, which is only a bit behind the Galaxy S II's 3,396. However, the graphical performance showed mixed outcomes:"
This is good news IMO, since we should experience quite a performance boost once all the problems with AOSP/CM7 have been ironed out and we get more optimized kernels.
The EVO 3D is capable of more than what HTC's stock software allows it to do, that much is clear.
damn my mind.. its like.. bloownnnnn
The SGS2HD might have the same chip, but the Sprint SGS2 curb-stomps the 3D, right?
Alright folks, back on topic please.
One warning, that is all.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Nonetheless. His post in this thread are unnecessary. If a person is just being a **** and not contributing then they shouldn't bother posting. The negative, flaming, and bullying post are a major reason why this site is going to ****. If those unnecessary post are never made then this would be a MUCH better place.
To the OP. It will be interesting to see how the processor performs w/ Samsungs optimizations and and software. It will be the true test of Exynos v Snapdragon.
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I still think this phone has already showed us that the Snapdragon can run with the Exynos.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/
Look at the benchmarks on that link.
Just like the Evo 3d, it has a dual core snapdragon (though at 1.5 Ghz), 1 GB Ram, 4GB ROM and the Adreno 220 GPU.
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The SGS2HD might have the same chip, but the Sprint SGS2 curb-stomps the 3D, right?
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Benchmark scores are certainly more impressive but for real world use I can't tell a difference in speed. However, the SGS2 is a little smoother. In all honesty, the NS4G is smoother than the E3D.
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Benchmark scores are certainly more impressive but for real world use I can't tell a difference in speed. However, the SGS2 is a little smoother. In all honesty, the NS4G is smoother than the E3D.
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heck, my brother's Epic 4G is smoother than my Evo 3D...
you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
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you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
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it isn't a lot higher
Really? Another one of these posts? *sigh*
Just to note. The fact the Sammy might be using a snapdragon does not mean, at all, that its the better CPU. Do all manufacturers go with the best when building anything?
Absolutely not... So why do they go with some parts over others? Cheaper. If their contract ran out with Nvidia and they could go with Qualcomm for cheaper. Yeah, they would jump the boat for sure.
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it isn't a lot higher
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well i mean alittle higher
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you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
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While the NS4G is smoother than the E3D, the E3D is certainly a lot faster.
The question to ask is;
What has better 3d?
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While the NS4G is smoother than the E3D, the E3D is certainly a lot faster.
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what good is all that speed if it isn't translated to smoothness?
does anyone know the difference between the msm8260 and the msm8660?
whats the apq8260 (ap only apparently, i dont know what that means)?
i just bought a touchpad and i originally thought it had the same processor as the E3D
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what good is all that speed if it isn't translated to smoothness?
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The nexus S is just as relevant at this point as an iPhone 3G.
Hello everyone,
i currently own the good ol' fashion nexus one and i decided to stick with htc.
right now i have my eyes set on the evo 3d but i would like to have some more opinions on the phone from people who acctually own\owned one.
how fast is it?
hows the 3d?
is the 1gb or rom that restrictive? [evo 3d gsm users]
does it run demanding games well? [shadowngun, GTA III, dead space, modern combat 3, etc..]
whats the highest stable overclock and how does it effect performance?
and some general notes you have to say about the device.
thanks you all and best regards
how fast is it?
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Umm, fast? Obviously not the fastest phone out anymore, as its about 8 months old.
hows the 3d?
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Works good, but pretty much just a gimick. I have watched a few 3d youtube videos, but I would never be able to stare at this small of a screen to watch a two hour movie.
whats the highest stable overclock and how does it effect performance?
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I believe 1.5 or 1.6 is the highest stable you can go.
Don't buy this pos.
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kthejoker20 said:
Don't buy this pos.
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when i saw you name, i thought that i remember i labeled you as a troll from some posts a while back, now reading your reply my initial thoughts were correct.
this phone is very good but if you want a phone that you expect many different roms to flash maybe you should get another phone
I say just wait for the phone that everyone wants = more devs
dfskevinohyeah said:
this phone is very good but if you want a phone that you expect many different roms to flash maybe you should get another phone
I say just wait for the phone that everyone wants = more devs
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i second this. good phone...not an extreme amount of community/dev support. there is plenty, but it's not a phone that has some great number of experimental roms or anything.
Good phone, but imo should go with something newer if tech interest you. If not, go for it. Can get it really cheap now compared to the other phones with same tech. 3d is just a plus, not a must have but fun to play with and show off to friends.
And 3d boobs =
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It currently has the best resolution, openness of storage, good processor speed, and ram available on sprint. The 3D is an OK extra but even without it it's the best phone right now.
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It currently has the best resolution, openness of storage, good processor speed, and ram available on sprint. The 3D is an OK extra but even without it it's the best phone right now.
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does anyone really even use the 3d capabilities?
how fast is it?
The UI has no lag, if that's what you mean
hows the 3d?
It's annoying and strains your eyes, but pretty cool the first few weeks. After that, you really stop using it.
does it run demanding games well? [shadowngun, GTA III, dead space, modern combat 3, etc..]
Yep, no lag
whats the highest stable overclock and how does it effect performance?
The phone's stock clock is 1.2Ghz. The processor is meant to be at 1.5Ghz so that's the highest stable you'll go. Some phones can get up to 1.8Ghz and 1.9Ghz.
Additional Notes:
Don't get the evo 3D unless you need a new phone now. This phone is 8 months old meaning the new Evo will come out soon. Also, the GSM Evo 3D doesn't have much dev support. If you want great dev support, try the Samsung Galaxy SII.
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how fast is it?
The UI has no lag, if that's what you mean
hows the 3d?
It's annoying and strains your eyes, but pretty cool the first few weeks. After that, you really stop using it.
does it run demanding games well? [shadowngun, GTA III, dead space, modern combat 3, etc..]
Yep, no lag
whats the highest stable overclock and how does it effect performance?
The phone's stock clock is 1.2Ghz. The processor is meant to be at 1.5Ghz so that's the highest stable you'll go. Some phones can get up to 1.8Ghz and 1.9Ghz.
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Don't get the evo 3D unless you need a new phone now. This phone is 8 months old meaning the new Evo will come out soon. Also, the GSM Evo 3D doesn't have much dev support. If you want great dev support, try the Samsung Galaxy SII.
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Pretty much what this guy said.. I was going to say. So Kudos.
Get this phone if its for cheap money, otherwise get a GS2.
I wouldn't waste your upgrade on a phone that's been out for 8 months
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mentaist12 said:
how fast is it?
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At stock it is meh, put a custom ROM and kernel and it is very fast and smooth.
mentaist12 said:
hows the 3d?
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Just a gimmick that youll use for a day when you first get it and to show off to people that will also get tired of it in 5 minutes
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is the 1gb or rom that restrictive? [evo 3d gsm users]
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I have CDMA, IDK if you mean the 1GB internal storage space? All ROMs install and run fine and have plenty of room left
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does it run demanding games well? [shadowngun, GTA III, dead space, modern combat 3, etc..]
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Never played any of those but I would imagine so. It has pretty beefy processing power and as I said before, if you put a custom ROM and kernel on it then things become VERY smooth. Benchmarks are subjective and everyone has their favorite, but some people can pull over 4000 score in Quadrant benchmark with this phone.
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Highest I have seen is just over 2GHz, but I dont think that is stable 100%. Highest known to be stable is a bit over 1.7GHz, most are completely stable around 1.5-1.6GHz range. I have my phone set up with a 2 stage OnDemand governor with a max speed of 1.4GHz
Performance from overclocking is big, especially on a custom kernel like AnthraX. That kernel has different GPU and bus speeds in it as well, and if you run between 1.4-1.6GHz you have an overclocked GPU as well as overclocked CPU. Going above that lowers GPU to stock speeds to help stability.
Performance is VERY good at stock though and you shouldnt need to OC to run anything.
Battery life is average Id say, but if you get just the right setup and tweak things just right you can get amazing battery life. I have gone over 3 days on a single charge with very light usage. On heavy usage it is like any phone and only goes about 5-6 hours.
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does anyone really even use the 3d capabilities?
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I keep kidding myself that I'll watch a 3D movie or so one of these days. So far I think I watched half of Avatar.
well thats kind of disappointing i thought this phone would have better opinions...
well then i would like that ull recommend a phone if possible id like to stay with htc... loving sense and loving build quality.. and the gsII isnt a possibility for me...
i wanted the evo 3d over the sensation xe because of the ram..
the question is... is it worth the wait and the money to wait for the next gen snapdragon s4 htc devices which will probebly be annouced at mwc in a month..
great phone fast responsive with the latest update battery life has been great for me. every game i threw at it , it played it with no lag . I think it will take some time for devs to really get a hold of the 3d thing to get that and 4g into asop roms. I found this app on htc hub called phereo thats a 3d pic sharing app thats got me hooked on the 3d side of it again lol. my stable max over clock is 1728 mhz hope this helps
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well thats kind of disappointing i thought this phone would have better opinions...
well then i would like that ull recommend a phone if possible id like to stay with htc... loving sense and loving build quality.. and the gsII isnt a possibility for me...
i wanted the evo 3d over the sensation xe because of the ram..
the question is... is it worth the wait and the money to wait for the next gen snapdragon s4 htc devices which will probebly be annouced at mwc in a month..
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I don't know what these guys are talking about. This is by far the best quality/price you could get right now. There is the Motorola Atrix 4G which is also cheap but not as good as the Evo3D. The only dark spot is the camera which is good but not as great as other phones.
Evo 3D is always on the top 5 most popular phones on XDA. so I guess deving is still ongoing. Most devs are just waiting for an ICS leak to get back. And GSM dev section has nearly all flavours: Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, AOSP (MIUI, ICS and CM) and I have no doubt that even if some builds miss one or two things, they will get mature in the near future.
Anyway, my choices would be:
If you have money, want speed with good quality build and can wait: HTC Edge.
If you have money, want speed with good quality build and cannot wait: HTC Amaze.
If you don't have money, want speed with good quality build: HTC Evo 3D.
And since I do like to use my phone (using like calling family, checking mails, feeds, etc. not like running useless benchmarks) and want it to stick around, I would never recommend a plastic phone like GSII.
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I don't know what these guys are talking about. This is by far the best quality/price you could get right now. There is the Motorola Atrix 4G which is also cheap but not as good as the Evo3D. The only dark spot is the camera which is good but not as great as other phones.
Evo 3D is always on the top 5 most popular phones on XDA. so I guess deving is still ongoing. Most devs are just waiting for an ICS leak to get back. And GSM dev section has nearly all flavours: Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, AOSP (MIUI, ICS and CM) and I have no doubt that even if some builds miss one or two things, they will get mature in the near future.
Anyway, my choices would be:
If you have money, want speed with good quality build and can wait: HTC Edge.
If you have money, want speed with good quality build and cannot wait: HTC Amaze.
If you don't have money, want speed with good quality build: HTC Evo 3D.
And since I do like to use my phone (using like calling family, checking mails, feeds, etc. not like running useless benchmarks) and want it to stick around, I would never recommend a plastic phone like GSII.
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What this guy said however I have cdma version.
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m00nhead said:
does anyone really even use the 3d capabilities?
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I actually use 3D a lot. I have watched quit a few movies, played almost all of the games and love just checking out 3D pictures. Some people complain about it but I love it. I love the phone overall. The only thing that would stop me from buying this phone, is the possibility of a quad core soon.
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.