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I've heard that you guys have folio100s with 512MB ram,
But mine has 1GB ram, dunno why....
now that I flashed Dexter's Mod foliomodv1.4,
which is a 512MBRAM version,
Now my OS cannot recognize all of my RAM, it just recognizes 751MB of the 1GB.
the data is gotten from typing 'free' in console mode.
what should I do to find the hidden part of my ram back to work?
I've tried CyanogenMod7, and it's worse, the ram decreases to exactly 512MB.
Thx to anyone who will help me with this!Sincerely!
How do you know there is really 1Gb ram in your folio ? Don't you think it's probably just a bug showing 1 gb intead of 512 mb?
Jean.luc said:
How do you know there is really 1Gb ram in your folio ? Don't you think it's probably just a bug showing 1 gb intead of 512 mb?
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it says so on the label at the back side beside the battery.
and when I'm on native rom the 'free' command shows 990MB free memory, and I always use up to 700+MB ram running all kinds of apps.
but however, as everybody knows, the native rom sucks.
so, is there a way I can adjust the foliomod to yield some more ram?
OK. I was a bit surprised and was thinking that it could be due to a bug.
Unfortunatly I have no answer to your problem.
Is this one of the new batch that was supposed to relaunch in April, or are you just lucky?
I have that label too that says my folio has 1gb ram, Bought my folio about 2 months ago?
How can i find out does it really have 1gb ram?
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theheat94 said:
I have that label too that says my folio has 1gb ram, Bought my folio about 2 months ago?
How can i find out does it really have 1gb ram?
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The native rom will tell you your total ram is 990MB. And you can experience great multitasking !
So, dude, wr are the minority, we should try to fix it, don't you think?
I bought my Folio a month ago and only have 512 Mb reported by Cyanogen.
Do someone know why there are some differences here ?
Mine has 512 mb ram, and 1gb for app installation.
Maybe the inscription in the box is 1gb of ram , for app.
If you really do have 1 gb of ram, lucky you
Ill check that out, ill post my results here then
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who would continue with this problem?
I am still confused, I recently have returned to the native rom and obtained the latest official update, it is really stable, with touchscreen responsive, though poor graphic performance(opengl1.1) and wrong direction of sensor in some games.
but the ram reported is the same as foliomodv1.4, that is, 751MB, don't you think it is interesting? it's like the DDR2 ram has 8 blocks with each 128MB, and foliomod has discovered only 6 of them, while Cyanogenmod discovered only 4 of them, that's why Cyanogenmod reports 482MB total ram.
in fact, seen from the dissembly pictures sent from a guy in China like me, there really are 8 similar blocks on the chipboard, with 128MB written on each block as the guy told.
So what do you think, guys? Is it possible to find the hidden memory blocks and get them to work? I think it is highly possible, for different roms report different total ram, and some of them well exceeds the assumed 512MB, that's an implication that some of the folio100 really are bestowed with 1GB ram, rather than 512MB. So why can't there be a rom that makes full use of the ram?
I believe we are the last group of Folio100 users inthe world, so we are gonna stick together to make the most out of our device, guess what, newly published devices mostly have the same hardware as our folio(I mean the 1GB version), except for the screen, but I don't see it as an unacceptable shortcoming. Lower resolution sometimes mean higher performance. I've tried Backbreaker THD running on MOTO XOOM, though the graphics are good, but as I expected it isn't so smooth as running on Folio100. So disadvantages come with advantages, that's why we'll stick to Folio100, at least Before Tegra3 becomes trivial.
Expecting replies from you !! In hope of a better rom and a better tomorrow!
Me too...
CM9/ICM , it just recognizes 512MB of the 1GB.(RAM)
But FolioNotion2.0 recognizes 1G.
I can't paly games like Plants vs Zombies in CM9/ICM ,But in FolioNotion,It works perfect....
I am still confused...
folio100---512M Rom
AS100---1G Rom
Xda Rom just dev for folio100... So,we are just recognizes 512M.
but FolioNotion have recognizes 1G,Why?
1GB with foliomod 1.4
as100 with 1gb ram,and a recently flashed ics rom changed it to 375mb.......those who r confused with the 1gb ram on folio can go to search the pics of disassembly of as100 in some chinese website, after u do that u could fing that there r 8 ram chips installed on the pcb while some of the folio may only have 4installed...
i checked now my folio,...
http://db.tt/dVei7u49 on the top on the right side, is a small sticker 1GB000
CM9 shows me 364M
Is there any way to test it on cm9?
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i checked now my folio,...
http://db.tt/dVei7u49 on the top on the right side, is a small sticker 1GB000
CM9 shows me 364M
Is there any way to test it on cm9?
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I have that sticker with 1GB000 as well, does that mean I have a 1 GB device?
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I have that sticker with 1GB000 as well, does that mean I have a 1 GB device?
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Maybe someone can test it with Ubuntu?
I have the sticker with 01GB000.
I checked the picture of the hardware (ref.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868617)
On one side there are 4 chip NT5TU128M8DE-AC that is a 128Mx8 DDR2-800
so 128M x 8 = 1Gbit and 4 x 1Gbit = 4Gbit = 512 Mbyte.
On the other side there is a place for additional RAM (see picture BILD2387)
If you have the chips in these place you have additional 512Mbyte of ram otherwise no.
To open this box you have to remove only the back cover and open the box with a cutter under the corner with the arrow.
In my case there aren't additional chips of RAM.
So the sticker 01G000 is not for RAM info.
Sorry.
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I have the sticker with 01GB000.
I checked the picture of the hardware (ref.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868617)
On one side there are 4 chip NT5TU128M8DE-AC that is a 128Mx8 DDR2-800
so 128M x 8 = 1Gbit and 4 x 1Gbit = 4Gbit = 512 Mbyte.
On the other side there is a place for additional RAM (see picture BILD2387)
If you have the chips in these place you have additional 512Mbyte of ram otherwise no.
To open this box you have to remove only the back cover and open the box with a cutter under the corner with the arrow.
In my case there aren't additional chips of RAM.
So the sticker 01G000 is not for RAM info.
Sorry.
Bye
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I've just checked and there's no extra RAM for me as well.
Thank you anyway for your explaination.
I also have the AS100 model with 1GB RAM. Does any one know how to modify ROM to detect all available RAM?
Look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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Look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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Interesting question, I heared that multitasking with 512 MB of RAM isn't very good because apps close very soon due the lack of memory.
When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
I hope not!
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Ectoplasmic said:
When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
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I know a tablet require less memory, they should at least...
But if we got more ram, more complex applications/games can be developed!
We have now some restriction about compress/uncompress files because of the amount of ram free/avaliable at the device.
Let's wait some one put their hands at the tablet and say to us
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Every Android device is like this: some RAM is used by the system, some RAM is used by the video frame buffer, and some RAM is used for applications. Every time a new device is released, this forum and others are filled with complaints like "I don't have 1GB RAM!!! ASUS screwed me!!!" The fact is that there IS 1GB of RAM, it's just being actually USED as it's supposed to be. And, if we had only 512MB of RAM, then far less would be available for running applications.
Furthermore, the number of cores has nothing to do with this--it's not like there's a linear relationship where more cores equals the ability to run more apps. Or, that we're somehow going to be crippled vs. a device with a dual-core processor. We'll be able to run the same number of apps as any other 1GB device, only more efficiently and quickly.
It would be nice to have 2GB, of course, but then the device would just be more expensive.
Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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You are right about websites. Web browsers n sites can eat up RAM fast as he'll. More tabs open, more ram eaten up. SH!?, my iPad only has 256MB RAM total and I make due with it..lol browser shuts down at times due to too much ram used or too many tabs open. Heavy duty games will eat it up also.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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Yep, the Prime has a faster/more advanced memory module or something. Plus several vids showed it multitasking like crazy. Andyx, member here, even showed a vid with his prime loaded with widgets on all home screens and stuff running in background. It still moved fast n smoothly between pages in such. No slowdown at all.
I multitask on first Transformer and had an app restart in the middle of it maybe one time - when sth was clogging the system (a broken game or sth). Browsers can be a problem though, the more memory they have, the happier (faster) they are. Games use a lot of graphic memory, so the more of it, the better (256 for 2D games is more than enough, but for 3D games nothing is enough ).
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
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Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
dont forget, more ram means also more battery drain. Ram sucks quite alot.
Of course more is always better^^ But i think "only" 1gb wont be a bottleneck for the prime.
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I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
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Yes you heard correct.I posted the link a few threads back.The Lenovo tablet itself will have 2gb of ddr3 ram.Which is a faster ram than the ddr2 ram in the Prime.But I also hear the Lenovo tablet will be a lot thicker (yuck lol).No telling how much ram Samsung will have to put in their 11.6 inch screen (2500x1600) ..that screen is going to be a battery/ram eater lol.
The Lenovo tab is making me doubt getting the Prime as if all the ICS tabs that were made for it feature 2GB RAM then it must mean ICS will benefit from it.
Granted its not as thin as the Prime and wont have a keyboard but prerformace will be better.
As far as the Samsung ICS tab..that will be EXPENSIVE because of the screen, I expect it to be around £599 as currently high res screens that size are in small yields.
I have a HTC Sensation which has "768 MB" of RAM, but a lot of it is used in normal use. I mean a LOT. I normally only have about 100 MB of free RAM. This is how essentially all Android devices are.
Yea, there are going to be some tablets coming out partway through 2012 with 2 GB of RAM, but quite frankly Lenovo products don't do anything for me because they're typically so ugly, and I'm not interested in a Samsung tablet if they put Touchwiz on it.
While I would like 2 GB of RAM, you have to consider that the TF Prime is IMO ushering the beginning of the 2nd generation of Android tablets. No company so far has put such an effort into an Android tablet. Look at the Motorola Droid XyBoard, Motorola's successor to the Xoom. It's absolutely pathetic compared to the TF Prime. Until the TF Prime, every tablet maker so far has been half-assing Android tablets, giving them basically the same specs as always. The TF Prime brings in the true beginning of 2nd gen specs, and it still comes in cheaper than the half-assed XyBoard. Considering that, I'm not surprised that Asus can't make absolutely every spec on the TF Prime amazing. They have to make money on it somehow lol.
I don't think a "super resolution" will be good for us.
Ok, Tegra 3 is X times faster than Tegra 2, but my Xoom got a 1280x800 screen.
Now, 2500x1600? holy ****! too many pixels to handle...
Lenovo? don't have a keyboard.
Samsung? don't like they software modifications...
A asus "prime 2" with 2gb and a faster ddr3? I will got one
Let's wait and see what the future has to offer.
I have been so busy catching up with all the amazing stuff Da_G has been pumping out (thanks!) that I didn't even take a look at this until now. I am showing that we only have 733MB of avaliable RAM. That is a far cry from 1024MB.
I am seeing 733MB w/ both Android System Info and with the built-in Task Manager.
Does anyone know if we indeed have 1024MB of RAM and... if it is just assigned else where?
Yes we have 1GB every phone has RAM missing because the system is holding it.
I remember one time the OS didn't support that much not sure if that's the case now but the phone has 1GB to my knowledge and.what I've read
sent from AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note Dual Core 1.83 GHz
Just like memory... Do we really have 16gb? Its never what they say... All marketing!
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I have also read that is has 1GB everywhere, but missing 291MB seems like an awful lot.
I beleive my Atrix showed 897MB. I just seems like an awful lot 'mssing' w/ the Note.
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Just like memory... Do we really have 16gb? Its never what they say... All marketing!
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I am with you on that! Makes me
I noticed the same, it's showing short but using the same app(system tuner pro) on my G2 it showed the correct 512mb.
It's not false marketing; it's fact. There is 1GB of RAM in the phone. I'm pretty sure the rest of the RAM is used by the GPU. My GS2 has the same thing, shows about 800MB of RAM available to apps.
What does it matter? I usually have 3-500MB of free RAM. Have you ever managed to fill the RAM with processes? Do you know anyone who has? Android clears old apps from memory even when there is enough free so I have never even come close to filling my RAM.
Graphics memory
As with any computer your phone has a gpu which needs graphics memory and because the gpu is integrated (SOC) it takes its memory off the top. This can be seen with any computer you have with integrated graphics it will section off some memory for your gpu.
As for the flash memory space many issues can take it down such as the file system, operating system, it just depends but trust me before the phone was turned on and android installed it had 16gb of memory and 1gb of ram
I'm about 100% CPU and GPU can't share ram as they do completely different tasks. They could have just added the cram and the ram to get 1GB though... But otherwise, the missing ram is from system tasks and the OS.
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It's not false marketing; it's fact. There is 1GB of RAM in the phone. I'm pretty sure the rest of the RAM is used by the GPU. My GS2 has the same thing, shows about 800MB of RAM available to apps.
What does it matter? I usually have 3-500MB of free RAM. Have you ever managed to fill the RAM with processes? Do you know anyone who has? Android clears old apps from memory even when there is enough free so I have never even come close to filling my RAM.
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Do we have a reference or any proof of this?
And to the post directly above this, any computer that does not have a dedicated graphics card uses shared system memory, just like our phones. 733MB is just quite a bit away from 1024MB.
they can and do use the same memory because they are the same soc aka system on chip. all this is integrated.
So if you built a PC yourself and loaded it with 2gig RAM and booted into windows it would have 2 gig FREE memory?
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So if you built a PC yourself and loaded it with 2gig RAM and booted into windows it would have 2 gig FREE memory?
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I am not talking about FREE. I am talking about the system as a whole. Do we really have 1GB of RAM? Where it is being used I am not so concerned about at this point, but it may help us figure out if we do indeed have 1GB (Where is the remaing 291MB assigned).
The missing 291 is being used by android..to load the launcher Widgets and everything else in the background.
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The missing 291 is being used by android..to load the launcher Widgets and everything else in the background.
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i have international version of note.its same way on this one.the missing ram is held by system tasks.as for 16gb storage memory.if you wipe all area on usb storage .u will have 16gb but not a working phone.another thing about free ram.dont use task manager to stop apps.all it does is make the phone lag.leave everything running.
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It's not false marketing; it's fact. There is 1GB of RAM in the phone. I'm pretty sure the rest of the RAM is used by the GPU. My GS2 has the same thing, shows about 800MB of RAM available to apps.
What does it matter? I usually have 3-500MB of free RAM. Have you ever managed to fill the RAM with processes? Do you know anyone who has? Android clears old apps from memory even when there is enough free so I have never even come close to filling my RAM.
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You have 300-500 MB FREE ram? My note is bone stock and I'm running at 400/700 MB RAM (meaning 300 MB free). This is also when I "Clear memory" too. Something wrong with my apps?
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You have 300-500 MB FREE ram? My note is bone stock and I'm running at 400/700 MB RAM (meaning 300 MB free). This is also when I "Clear memory" too. Something wrong with my apps?
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I have 700 free. With just 2 home screens 2 Widgets and a few apps and live wallpaper.
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Two dozen open apps on mine right now, and it shows 283 MB used, 302 MB free.
On my AT&T gs2 I consistantly show 830 to 850 MB free. On my note I only see a lil over 700. How can this have less ram than my gs2? I have over 80 app on my gs2 and less than half that on my note!!!
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Probably xtra things (like snote )loaded on note that wouldn't be on your s2
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I purchased a Simdo D98T from Pandawill. While the phone isnt pretty and the touchscreen is not well calibrated, I was impressed with the antenna quality: best wifi and GPS I have seen in any phone.
The phone reports 1G of RAM, but the lowest I have seen free RAM has been around 639MB. Programs are closed as soon as you put them in foreground and Firefox even closed on me while working, while still reporting around 640MB of free RAM.
Can the manufacturer reportan incorrect amount of RAM and tweak the kernel to use only part of it?
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The RAM might have been used by system.. Actually 1GB RAM should be 800MB+ available for users.
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The RAM might have been used by system.. Actually 1GB RAM should be 800MB+ available for users.
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Thats the issue: the kernel closes programs and available RAM never goes under 640MB.
How much difference in RAM usage between 720p & 1080p display? Z5c RAM way too low?
I've read several times, that a 720p display uses less RAM than a 1080p, plus the Z5c has a couple of extra features, like 500MB of ZRAM, which should make multitasking quite good and not a thing to worry about, despite the low RAM.
But here's the thing: Can anybody tell me, how much exactly is the difference in RAM usage between 720p and 1080p? I was never able to find hard numbers. Is it 50% because of half the resolution? Is it like 5% only or something else? Or is it flexible, depending on the apps? Or, if it's a fixed amount of megabytes, how much is it?
I'd love to get the Z5c due to the smaller size and it is about 100€ less than the Z5, but I'm also a heavy user and struggling very much with only 2GB of RAM in my current Z1.
I have at least 10 different apps running in the background all the time, like weather widget, several messengers, xposed, data counter, greenify, etc.
Plus, I usually like to open a lot of tabs in the browser, 10+ is quite often and my browser either craps out completely and closes itself or the tabs have to reload all the time, this even happens with only 2-3 tabs.
Same with apps.
They are almost always reloading, most of the time I can't even visit my "friends" in Simpsons Tapped out because the game crashes when I try to visit their cities or it crashes in my own town because it is too large.
The music player stops working during browsing or one of my running apps closes itself due to lack of RAM.
Is this normal, is the RAM really too low or am I just expecting too much from smartphones? I treat them like small computers, like the ads suggests. I guess, they are just too unrealistic.
The ONLY thing keeping me from going for the Z5c is the low RAM and this would be the only reason for the Z5.
Also, 2GB RAM is a 2012 standard, it's now 3 years old. After a usual usage time frame of the Z5c of 2 years, it's 5 years behind. I simply can't seem to get myself to buy an already outdated device in terms of RAM. For me, 4GB would be very welcomed.
Can anybody answer my questions regarding RAM usage or someone with a similar heavy use case can relate their experiences with the Z5c and RAM problems?
The RAM is more than sufficient. I have been using this phone for some time now and I can keep any number of apps open in the background and they do not close.
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When I say "any number" I mean any number of apps that I need to keep running in the background. I've never run out of RAM on this phone. Whereas I see a lot of phones struggling with multitasking
I don't just mean many many foreground apps which I have started myself and switching between them, but also like 10+ apps which are running as soon as the phone has finished booting and which I want to run in the background all the time, without counting additional apps which I open on purpose. Apps always running are: Hangouts, facebook messenger, Whatsapp, weather widget, one handed mode, 3G Watchdog, onavo extend, proximity screen off, greenify, setcpu, automate it, afwall+, twilight. A total of 13 background apps plus many foreground apps. After everything has loaded after boot, I'm already down to 700MB free RAM, without any other open apps.
When RAM reaches 500 or below, the force closure starts.
How much is your available RAM after boot and with many apps running?
i don't know if you are aware of it, but xposed module "app settings" has an option to keep chosen apps persistent in memory. I cannot assure it works, but probably it does. You could enable it on the apps you need to be kept open and then fill your memory fully, then see if Android system kills other apps (camera, gallery,...) instead of your favourite ones. This might be a workaround for you, or might not: if you open lots of tabs on your browser, Android kills other apps, while Windows would become sluggish but keep everything open and use the swap file. Regarding the swap theme, Android has the Zram function, a kind of swap file in the ram, that compresses some RAM in the RAM itself (at the cost of some CPU power). This might also be useful but don't know if it is already supported by stock xperia firmware or it must be implemented in a custom kernel.
Well, available RAM really doesn't matter much. Lollipop especially is designed to take up as much RAM as possible. That makes the operations smooth and the processes run in the background. But I'll attach this here. I never clear the tasks and I always keep them running so I will have less RAM. But my apps don't close on me though
It seems 2GB ram doing fine on my Z5c, I guess because of it comes with ZRAM enabled in stock kernel(for the cost of cpu and battery). Yes, 720P spend much smaller amount of memory and cpu compared to FHD/2K. There are many reports confirmed on Z1/Z2/Z3/S6 board when people used resolution changer and found much more free ram available, you can try QHD 960x540 if you want even more free ram.
I got 1GB free ram after boot up and same with my S6 but since my S6 running 2K resolution with poor Samsung memory management, actually the Z5c performs better when deal with the killing apps problem. If you will use greenify donate ver to freeze all bloatware I think memory is good, the android 6.0 seems to have better memory and battery life as well.
Can you tell me more about the resolution changer? Is it dangerous and can lead to a bootloop or not booting at all?
Z have 2gb of ram and 1080p display and have no ram issue..
drsoran2 said:
Can you tell me more about the resolution changer? Is it dangerous and can lead to a bootloop or not booting at all?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/how-to-run-s6-1080-mode-t3124559
I don't use it on my S6. It won't bootloop or not booting but just some stock apps will have menu problem bcoz they are hard coded for native resolution, you may need to decompile those apks and edit some .xml files manually to modify the default resolution to make it works.
even my XZU with 2GB of RAM and 1080FHD is still perfectly able to multitask. no need to panic for such 2GB of RAM. yet. :fingers-crossed: well maybe when there's a game with big memory requirement in 2-3years time then you'll need more than 2GB but i bet it's not a game worth playing coz it's not mobile optimized and the devs are too lazy to optimize.
Default set at 507MB ZRAM, you can increase it to 1024MB if you wish
Yes, but only with root? And then you lose the warranty, camera functions, miracast and such because you need to unlock the bootloader.
A root exploit without bl unlock, like on my Z1, is what I'm hoping for. I also don't understand why manufacturers don't implement to gain root access via a simple reboot. Make the option available, display maybe 2-3 warnings and info screens before, then if you click yes, a reboot happens and you're rooted. Easy as this. No features lost, no exploits necessary which take forever to arrive, if at all, and involve downgrading and such. I think one manufacturer enables exactly this.
It would be unthinkable on a Windows or Linux system if there wouldn't be the option to work with full admin rights...so why is it the norm on Android and nobody bats an eye?!
Btw: I've tried the resolution changer and changed the resolution to 720p. Although this should have decreased the RAM usage, it actually increased it by around 100MB. How is that even possible?
drsoran2 said:
I'd love to get the Z5c due to the smaller size and it is about 100€ less than the Z5, but I'm also a heavy user and struggling very much with only 2GB of RAM in my current Z1.
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I think you answered your own question here. If you need a whole lot of RAM, you should probably look somewhere else.
yes, it needs root and you loss warranty and DRM and such stuffs.
Linux like to cache things, if u got more free ram it might just cached even more. It won't used more 100MB ram in reality.
The thing here is the Android 64-bits.
1080p device with 2GB RAM in Lollipop 32 bit = more than 1000MB of free RAM (average).
720p device with 2GB RAM (and zRAM) in Lollipop 64 bit = more than 550MB of free RAM (average).
Now, the resolution mostly affect the used RAM when gaming, there is not a big difference outside games.
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thesebastian said:
The thing here is the Android 64-bits.
1080p device with 2GB RAM in Lollipop 32 bit = more than 1000MB of free RAM (average).
720p device with 2GB RAM (and zRAM) in Lollipop 64 bit = more than 550MB of free RAM (average).
Now, the resolution mostly affect the used RAM when gaming, there is not a big difference outside games.
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I have never seen free memory more than 1GB of RAM with my XZU. Right now it hovers around 600MB of RAM.
for gaming it is not an 'always' case so memory cleaning at the end should happened only 1% of the time you use the phone.
Who cares about how much free ram there is? The ram is meant to be used and Android is made to use the RAM for caching and so on.
Talk instead about how well it runs in practice.
Anyone that has experienced any problems that could be because of the device only having 2GB of ram? Let us know.
If not, then I guess the fact that the Z5C "only" have 2GB ram is not a problem...(?)
Here,me! I'm having a lot of problems because of low RAM and the whole purpose of this thread is to find out if the Z5c with its 720p display and zram and such makes a huge difference in RAM performance, if at all compared to my Z1 with also 2GB which is always reloading tabs, crashing games and apps, force closing apps due to lack of RAM, redrawing the home screen when exiting apps and so on.
If there's no big difference, then devices with only 2GB are not for me.
It's good that Android uses all the RAM for caching, but I strongly believe that in my case there is simply not enough RAM and that's why all my problems occur.
And also Z5c uses LPDDR4 RAM if I am not mistaken. So that's actually more efficient. Well I have faced ZERO problems with multitasking. But I dunno about you