I've just been re-reading the official Sony comparison of their Gingerbread and ICS offering. This time I've had the chance to read more properly all the things they said. For the first time I actually have sympathy for Sony. The manufacturers bring out phones (e.g. SE) with the Xperias 2011 all running Gingerbread from the very start, then the next Google upgrade wipes out the phones. I owned the 2010 X10 Mini and our phone got wiped out the same way. It seems to me that we consumers do not benefit. Anyone who comes to this forum is already a bit of tech. nut, we are a very small population of the whole market, of course we want to try what's new and hot. But in this blog, Sony is explicitly saying that ICS is much, much more demanding on system resources and that we will definitely see a fall in performance, they clearly reference longer boot up time, apps force closing and stalling as well as poor video performance for different reasons that they explain in the blog.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Now I want to wait before I upgrade and check out the news. A few new icons and wallpapers is NOT good enough reason for me to upgrade. Better battery is a good reason to wait, which in that blog, Sony says you will get with Gingerbread over ICS. Do we really benefit here? Do we have to buy a new phone every year now, because Google is bumping up the demands of Android, like Microsoft did with Windows Vista? Windows 7 has less requirements than Vista, only slightly, and 8 has the same requirements as 7 so at least we could use the same laptop/pc for a few years. With Google, the way they are doing this is screwing us over I think.
For you, stay with Gingerbread, move to ICS, not sure or want to wait?
Ray users say they havent experienced any major bugs... Battery is definitely poor for now.....
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I think on the minis and active devices we have the advance of having a smaller resolution area while having almost the same hardware as the other xperia 2011
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They are really both very good points: we can look to the current Sony beta roms for more clues and it is true, our smaller screen being powered by the same CPU is an advantage. Perhaps we Mini users will have the least trouble amongst the 2011 Xperias?
Gingerbread would still be the most dominant OS, due to its stability on most phones,
having a new OS or phone is not always the best option.
I really thank the devs here in XDA, they are keeping old phones alive,
giving us a chance to have a taste of the new flavor and further improving stock OS on current phones.
I just recently read about the Xperia S Rom ported to Xperia X10 here, how cool is that...?
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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you can always remove the bloatwares , though of course with custom roms we can do a lot of things which are still restricted even with a rooted stock rom
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I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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If you want a different UI, just use a different home.apk? Just saying...
But yea i'm with the OP on these thoughts, have had the same thoughts for quite some time now. The thing is, we can make ICS faster on our devices just as we did with GB, but... How stable will the non-stock ICS roms be? Honestly I would rather see MIUI roms derived from GB as a base than ICS. A lot more stable with less bugs. Even the MIUI roms aren't AOSP based (as are official MIUI releases), they are FXP based roms. So, all in all we are between Stock and FXP releases.
I am not bashing on people working on developing MIUI and various ICS based roms, but like the OP, i'd rather have stability over "new features", such as full HW acceleration, which can be triggered using a variable in GB too (mind you that uses more juice).
I am going to seriously think about moving Spartan Rom from stock GB rom as a source, to stock ICS as a source.
Even if the battery consumption, which in my list of priorities for a fully functional rom is the highest in the list, is sub-par, I wont be switching over to ICS personally.
@drumraden if you see about other devices there are lots of stable roms are available (mostly aosp based, even I am using a stable custom rom for my Xoom)
We just need to give time to the devs to come up with stable ice roms.
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You don't get my point.
The only reason to build an MIUI from ICS sources, is for the **** of saying its ICS therefore updated.
Yeah as for battery drain, I'm afraid Sony says on that site above that battery will be less durable with official ICS. What a shame. The discussion here though is really making me thing about all of this.
Yeah I am seriously thinking of going back to gb as soon as there is a good miui rom I am right now on ics because there is only one really stable miui release for the lww and it is ics but i really prefer better battery life.
On the other hand I prefer ics over hb a thousand times on my tab but it has like 7 times the battery of my phone so I have no issue with that.
I'll prefer ICS when main apps start to requires ICS.
While the requirements surround the GB I'll stick with it.
But it's nice to know that if it occurs my phone will be ready.
That's why I bought my mini-pro.
Personally, I will first give it a try. Then we will see, if it deserves to stay on my LWW or not...
yup ... sure will giv official a try ... but the best rom on gb wud be miui .... is that project still going on or has been dumped ?
i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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I like the sound of that....perfect functionality and stunning visuals, yes.
Yup it feels tooo good..... Had it on ace.... Beautiful and fast......
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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One simple question... How much battery %/hour does the rom you have installed consume in standby mode with all radios except mobile turned off.
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My x10 is not as smooth as a HTC Legend, an older iPod, iPhone 4 and more phones,
Why is this stupid thing?
Thanks for an answer if you reply.
Mine is quite smooth.
But maybe you thing it isn't as smooth as other devices because it has a 32fps cap.
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Mine is quite smooth.
But maybe you thing it isn't as smooth as other devices because it has a 32fps cap.
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I guess you've never seen the smoothness of an iPhone 4... Can developers here on XDA remove the cap when the bootloader gets cracked?
I find it very smooth...
The stock firmware isn't, but custom roms are super smooth.. Mine never lags or freezes, and I've use all that you have mentioned above..
Same here. with 2.1 using various roms, there was a noticeable lag, especially moving from an app to the dialler. I'm now using 2.2 cm mod(6. 1.3) and the difference is pretty amazing, no discernable lag atall.
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iphones are definitely more responsive to the touch. as far as scrolling and everything.
but my x10 with the custom 2.2.1 rom, adw, and all the tweeks is smooth as fast and sometimes seems faster at opening apps and stuff than my gf's evo. so im happy as long as i have these great developers.
tho i do wish it had come like this out of the box.
Well considering the lack of true multi tasking on an iphone it makes sense that it would be smoother as it hardly has to use any of it's ram or processing cpu...
Anyhow, this thread is posted here about every two weeks, if you want an iphone go get one. I'd pick my x10 over one any day
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Well considering the lack of true multi tasking on an iphone it makes sense that it would be smoother as it hardly has to use any of it's ram or processing cpu...
Anyhow, this thread is posted here about every two weeks, if you want an iphone go get one. I'd pick my x10 over one any day
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amen to this...
i agree with the two above. had an iphone before this.
only thing i see better about it would be a majority of the apps and games.
the phone itself is much better than an iphone.
+1 for the 'il take my x10 over any iphone any day'
and also +1 for ' it didnt come out of the box as good as it can be'
but its got potential with a bit of research and some modifications... iit can do waayy more than an iphone can
and with the right mods its as smooth as it needs to be imo
well said ^^
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Well considering the lack of true multi tasking on an iphone it makes sense that it would be smoother as it hardly has to use any of it's ram or processing cpu...
Anyhow, this thread is posted here about every two weeks, if you want an iphone go get one. I'd pick my x10 over one any day
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Did I every say that my x10 sucks? Im just wondering something dumb ass.
Good one, and very mature..
Your parents must be very proud.
fiscidtox said:
Good one, and very mature..
Your parents must be very proud.
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Brave kid -.-
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Brave kid -.-
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Firstly, I'm a 28 year old man...
Secondly, wow I'm terrified!
hahahaha .
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amen to this...
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Indeed it is, Iphone just pretends of multitasking. SE really deserve that title In X1, X2 and X10 has a Multitask Powner Title!! Compared to iphone, even a intel PIII running just Clock App would be smooth
Wow - When did we all get so good at going completely off topic!..
I had lots of problems with the stock rom being jittery and generally slow.. I didn't want to move to a custom ROM cos none of them are complete.. so I've rooted, installed JIT, and removed some of the preinstalled apps that I don't want (Timescape, and moxier mainly.) now it's fast and smooth..
What if I want to keep Timescape and Moxier? (They are one of the main reasons I'm not switching to a custom rom, other than battery life)
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What if I want to keep Timescape and Moxier? (They are one of the main reasons I'm not switching to a custom rom, other than battery life)
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moxier - not a problem, you can purchase it from the market if you need it - there are other email clients anyway but if you like this particular one...
timescape - there are other social media aggregators also, tweetdeck was one that i played with once.
personally i would switch to a custom 2.1 rom and get some alternate apps running. you wont look back I say custom 2.1 rom so you get a complete rom and not a beta. i am running a 2.2 cyanogen rom and its 98% functional but i can understand why others dont like to run beta roms!
how this all relates to the OP? custom roms run so much smoother due to the lack of bloatware and not using the SE launcher. it is a resource pig and when it combines with time/mediascape running in the background at all times - the x10 drags to a halt. i switched to custom roms a while back and have not considered going back at all. closest thing i did was run KXHawkins high performance 2.1 rom for a while - it is based on the SE 2.1 rom with all the crap removed or modified.
Hey guys,
New to the board, new to the Ray. I used to frequent the Arc, Play, Nexus S, and Desire S boards under a different user name but I've not posted in a while so I've since forgotten my User info, so thought I'd make a new one.
Anyways...
I got my Ray, bought it out unlocked, and unlocked the boot loader. I was really excited to get my Cyanogen on and enjoy this beautiful device. Only...Cyanogen Rom for the Ray is HORRIBLE. The Camcorder is broken, the live wallpapers option is non-existant, and the control widget is completely useless for brightness control. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that ROM its is absolute garbage.
I can understand the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM being bug ridden, its early time, but at the very least I expected Cyanogen 7 to be fully functional. Geez.
Those are the only 2 ROMS I've tried so far, the rest look boring. MIUI I am not interested in, and outside anything that slightly alters the Stock firmware there is NOTHING AVAILABLE?
Where are the ROMS? Where is the support? Where are the quality developers?
All we have are half backed ideas, ROMS that don't work properly, and nothing else.
Maybe we should start up a fund and maybe donate a few Rays to some good developers that can actually provide because at this point, there is no point in using anything other then Stock Firmware.
The Ray is a capable device, similar to the Arc, there should be more support. I miss the great support that the Nexus S and the Desire S recieved. Especially the Desire S, the Developer from that board are truly amazing. Proxuser and Super kid were really really good developers, and we need developers like them who dedicate the time needed for quality ROMS. Our support is a joke compared to what they have, and I think we need to either put up some money or some incentive, like maybe donating a few Rays, to get the ball rolling.
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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I agree with you!...even my previous worst phone...Se X8...got tons of support ...i am really disappointed seeing Ray being put aside...
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What are you guys on anyway? The X8, since it was mentioned, was released 1 year ago. With 1.6 on it... there have been, what 4 different versions? And Gingerbread is sub par on it.
Regarding Adreno's note on HTC Devices.... As you are aware HTC makes phones for many companies, including T-mobile and Google. So most of these devices have almost the same internals. Hence development on those devices is really easy (you just copy paste files from one rom to another and bam you got your kang).
So on to the Ray... It was released 4 months ago. It has a different screen than most phones (480x854) so porting any generic rom onto it requires some smali editing skills. And... There is NO AOSP release for Xperia devices... at least so far. What makes other devices so "different" than the Xperia's is that some of them have been build on AOSP.
For example the DesireZ - Tmobile G2. One has Sense, the other is built on AOSP. So you have 2 completely different builds for the same device.
And some food for thought... Sony Ericsson needs about 6 months, an enormous team of developers and a ****load of money to build their own Firmware based on Already released Code. What makes you think you will see something "new" from some amateurs in less than 6 months time?
Yes i have built my "own" Rom based on the Stock Rom for the Xperia Active. I dont even consider my self an amateur. I am a total noob.
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
/rant off
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So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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I personally don't want "assisting" of the developers that have been working on the Ray thus far, as I said my original post I don't believe that they are up to the job.
I want to entice more talented developers. What can we do to bring experienced developers that know what they are doing to the Ray?
At this point, rooting and unlocking the bootloader is pretty pointless. You are screwing yourself out of over the air updates, and there is nothing that can fill the void from the development community thus far. What. is. the. point.
This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom? Speed? Stability? Battery Life?
I have managed to do all these with no real coding at all. The Xperia Active with DooMLoRD's Kernel and various tweaks that i found on XDA, when on max OC ranks between the Sensation and the SGS2. Both are Dual core with a far better GPU than the Adreno 205. Oh and the OC is completely bulletproof.
For the time being, the best developers for these devices is Sony herself. It is stable, and battery efficient. You on the other hand can make it more "personalized" and fitting to your needs... Gaming-browsing... whatever...
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This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom?
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Even if I had just Cyanogen working properly I'd be happy.
On the Desire S board Superkid had Ice Cream Sandwich ported (AOSP) to the desire S within 2 weeks, only being able to work on it on the weekends. Thats like 6 days.
On top of that, he had everything working flawlessly other than the camera by week 3.
Thats the kind of development I am talking about. Imagine how hard that was.
We don't have anything like that over here.
No it wasnt that hard. I say again. You need to be able to edit THE WHOLE DAMN BASE, if you want it in a different resolution than the one it was intended.
Yes some guys are simply amazing at what they do, but as i said earlier, most HTC devices use the same chipsets, boards, cpu's, modems etc. Sony uses a board (codenamed mogami i think) specific to the mini's. It uses a different one for the Ray, Play etc.
You will almost never have something like that. Be happy that the Cyanogenmod Team is actually working on these devices.
Hell, the mini's dont even have a MIUI build. Its either CM7 or Stock. But honestly i couldnt care less. I got bored of flashing a new rom every 2 weeks, just to see nothing different. The only difference was Sense 2.1 Sense 3.0 Sense 3.5. The rest ROMS use the same old AOSP build with an ADW launcher or a LPP on top... Big deal.
Now if someone gets sense on these devices... i'd be impressed
Complaint/rant threads about developers are not allowed at XDA. If you want something done, make it happen!
With the new ICS roms/kernels appearing and the huge enthusiasm for them, I'm actually left wondering why?
Given what we know from SE posting on the topic in their dev blog, surely ICS will never run as fast or as effectively as GB on our small phones?
So specifically, what does ICS bring to the table for our phone which GB does not?
Sure, it gets a new styles GUI but that's about it. The under-the-hood fundamental differences surely decrease it's suitability to our hardware.
Now I am not knocking anyone making roms/kernels here and I'm all for doing stuff just for fun, or to see if I can. However I can't help think that a bug free GB will always be superior for our phones than ICS?
Not necessarily, the aokp and miui beta 3 roms by stelios97, which are based on ics, but run on the nAa-11 kernel show a fair amount of promise in speed and stability. I'm very much looking forward to improvements in the miui-rom especially.
As far as the ICS kernel and MiniCM9 by nAa are concerned, they're still very early works with lots of bugs to be ironed out. I am sure in future iterations you will see lots of improvement in the overall user experience.
All that said though, my phone worked perfectly fine on eclair too, so i guess it's all about what you want from your phone, nothing is perfect, and different people have different needs or expectations.
I just love to see that our little devices are capable of so much more than people think or expect, so for what it's worth... there will come a time when it will be impossible for us to run the latest android, but i don't think that time is here yet.
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With the new ICS roms/kernels appearing and the huge enthusiasm for them, I'm actually left wondering why?
Given what we know from SE posting on the topic in their dev blog, surely ICS will never run as fast or as effectively as GB on our small phones?
So specifically, what does ICS bring to the table for our phone which GB does not?
Sure, it gets a new styles GUI but that's about it. The under-the-hood fundamental differences surely decrease it's suitability to our hardware.
Now I am not knocking anyone making roms/kernels here and I'm all for doing stuff just for fun, or to see if I can. However I can't help think that a bug free GB will always be superior for our phones than ICS?
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I remember the firsts steps in development of froyo and after Ginger, the first versions were very buggy but now you can see smooth roms of those versions, the same is going to happen to ICS.
We all know that our devices are not supposed to run ics... But as we all have seen all those months of x10 mini development, all versions start all buggy and in the end, are fully optimized for our devices....
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I cant wait for jellybeans!
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I cant wait for jellybeans!
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jellybean was announced to be running on really High-end tablet and PC's.... I imagine it sth like honeycomb. No idea if this is true though
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jellybean was announced to be running on really High-end tablet and PC's.... I imagine it sth like honeycomb. No idea if this is true though
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Gingerbread was the last phone-only android, Honeycomb was meant to be a tablet-optimized operating system, and with ICS google wanted to combine the two, that's why they never released the source for honeycomb, they didn't want it to run on phones. From ICS on, Google thinks they've solved the problem of different resolutions and use-cases...
So from now on, every android-release is meant to run on tablets as well as phones.. you can't blame them for aiming at increasing hardware capabilities, after all, you wouldn't expect to run Windows 7 on hardware that ran just fine on windows98.
Eventually, our little devices just don't have enough power to run the latest and grreatest operating systems... deal with it...
I remember when I installed the GB for the first time, e the bugs and speed in this was worse then in ICS (CM9) that I flash last week...
I'll report all bugs I see in ICS and wait to be fix.
I liked much more this ICS then the last GB released.
(Sorry my bad english)
I'm using CM9 right now and liked more than CM7, I have better performance and battery life than before, with few bugs of course, but I can live with that. The guys are really doing a great job with ICS! The GUI is amazing!
Don't forget what anancr said "I remember the firsts steps in development of froyo and after Ginger, the first versions were very buggy but now you can see smooth roms of those versions, the same is going to happen to ICS"
Hi guys. This is not a "best rom" thread. I'd like some advice please.
A couple of months ago I rooted my girlfriend's xpu because she complained it was slow. I sympathise because I have an s3 mini with similar chipset and roughly the same specs, yet even my original stock rom was faster and more efficient.
I tried jbexperience and freexperia cm9.1. Both aren't exactly what I expected.
She regularly uses Facebook, whatsapp, email and plays candy crush and jewel star. On cm9.1 her battery life is horrible even with greenify and the phone is unstable. The ram fills up very quickly and the phone frequently reboots. She also had problems with apps that use webcoreview force closing.
Now as you can probably tell, I'm a veteran rom flasher and have been doing it for a long time on various phones. My old wildfire buzz and my son's hero are rooted with custom roms and are generally smoother and more stable than the xperia u. They are old and the hardware is ancient.
So my question for you lovely, fair members of the xperia u group today is, can you please recommend a stable and battery friendly rom for the xperia u?
Please don't say "this rom is best" or "this thread is bad", etcetera..
I can't try them all as my girlfriend has far less patience for this than I do.
Thank you for your understanding and patience, and please be nice.
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Gb-rocks and remove the bloatware you don't want. if your bootloader is unlocked then flash supercharged kernel too
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Thank you. This looks more like the kind of thing I'm looking for. Gingerbread for a newer model, using less ram than ics crap. My gf will be happy with this although I'll probably need to modify play store to show more apps
Yes of course bootloader is unlocked
Is there a specific supercharged kernel you're talking of?
If there are any other roms you feel are worth mentioning please do Thanks again
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Thank you. This looks more like the kind of thing I'm looking for. Gingerbread for a newer model, using less ram than ics crap. My gf will be happy with this although I'll probably need to modify play store to show more apps
Yes of course bootloader is unlocked
Is there a specific supercharged kernel you're talking of?
If there are any other roms you feel are worth mentioning please do Thanks again
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If you are OK with CM then SlimCM ROM is worth a mention.
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Almost sure there is nothing faster than the Gingerbread version as just the core is going to take less resources.
Anyway for me the stock ICS 6.1.1.B.1,1.100 firmware works pretty well. For that one I just installed it, rooted, and removed some bloatware (just the ones that came with the ROM from the phone provider that released that firmware and an app that my own phone provider installs and some other apps I don't use like office suite and one or too more (some are apps you can even uninstall without root), but I removed nothing from Xperia apps). I didn't even installed anything else to enhance performance, no greenify not lag seeder and I'm pretty satisfied with performance. Facebook sometimes doesn't work as good as I would like to but in my opinion that's more a problem of facebook app which is a **** than a problem of the phone OS.
The last official release 6.1.1.B.1.1.54 firmware is horrible but that 6.1.1.B.1.1.100 works pretty well. I just tested only two more ICS ROMs and they didn't satisfied me more than the stock. I really prefer to continue with stock firmware and as It works really good for me that's what I choose.
By the way I don't think the game you mention is something to worry about. It is not one with a high resources requirement in my opinion. So it will work pretty well in any ROM with good enough performance.
I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No, you're, definitely, not insane and you're not alone on this! Exactly, my feelings. I've never thought that one day I'll start liking one manufacturer's skin/UI better than stock Android. But, it happened. And as a result, I've purchased the Xperia Z Ultra. Couldn't be happier more. It's the best phone I've ever owned.
I have to say/admit that I've faced more stability issues on CM more than Sony's firmwares. And for speed : Yes, it's definitely faster! IMHO, Sony's software engineers are done an excellent job for optimizing the software in the best possible way. There is zero lag, zero glitches etc. Just, very buttery smooth experience.
After the Mr. Kazuo Hirai's becoming the presiden and the CEO of Sony, many things have been changed fundamentally and noticeably. They got their innovation back as it was in 90s and 80s and one more time, started to make some unique products (QX10/QX100, first mirrorless Full-Frame camera except Leica : A7/A7r etc.) like walkman back in the day.
Hopefully, they'll keep this momentum and innovation as long as they can and we will benefit/enjoy of these great products.
Cheers,
Tarkan
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No you're right, sony have done it right!
They've allowed you to keep the fluidity of stock android and have given you customization that dont slow the phone down
I couldnt be happier with my Z Ultra
It used to be that the smartphone SoC was very limited in terms of capability so a clean ROM is the better choice. But with rapid development and less bloat on Sony's UI (+cool design) and slower Android upgrade it is clearly better now. So yeah, not that much reason should i jump to CM ROM again (unlike previous RAZR MAXX of mine) for now Maybe if the Android 5.0 come out in the future i guess but for now no..
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I Concur! I've had this device for about three months, & I really enjoy it also! I purchased it with the Sony UI in mind and sure enough it did not disappoint. I wasn't upset to see the Google edition released so soon after I bought this one. This is really the longest I've ever went without root also, as most prior phones did not make the 30 day mark.
I honestly would be happy with root access on the stock Sony Rom, however with all the confusion of root methods / model numbers / TA partitions / possibility of losing LTE, I'm just really trying to be patient. I kept in mind that buying such a large (under the radar phone) my slow my ability to tinker with it, but it's beginning to a bit of a hassle without root.
I recently accepted the 4.3 update, & the speed and mellow performance was noticed immediately. I was trying to stay on 4.2 as I had read different threads saying it was able to be rooted as oppose to 4.3 .290 but as of recently that seems to have changed now... This whole phone's process seems extremely confusing, and I'm tired of reading different contradicting threads .....and it's never a good idea to start playing with your phone when your frustrated & uninformed so I guess I'll just hang out a bit longer until things seem clearer....
I am with you guys.
Although on Note 2 I did not go with any AOSP except from the usual testing, but always came back to stock because of Spen features.
With the Ultra, this stock rom is so light, smooth and plus I keep the phone features plus it has been designed better to use the larger screen...I am VERY impressed with the Sony Rom so I dont see myself flashing anything but Sony based Roms.
I enjoy my phone now more than just using it to flash new stuff trying to get it to be better
Ah after I try a lot of custom ROM
monxDIFIED is my daily ROM
It is Sony base because I prefer stock app
FM Radio
Stock Camera
If I can install two stock app in CM base ROM like Carbon ROM
I may think using CM base ROM as my daily drive
That's common and you are not alone. I too am using the Stock 4.3 without any intention of flashing other ROMs (I do really love flashing as I had nearly flashed every Android phone I have ever owned)
I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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Im back running stock UI as well (own rom with Dogg tweaks), and am more or less happy with it.
Cant wait for 4.4 stock (not here today yet)
I had a Nexus 7 and I ran AOKP, I had an Nexus 4 and I ran AOKP, I had a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and I ran CyanogenMod. Today I switched to Sony Xperia Z Ultra and I don't want to switch to AOSP. It never happened before, but I feel like Stock ROM is good
my galaxy tab is always on another rom, after that i had asus padfone, which had no development at all. and z ultra makes me not want to change to another rom at all. loving the stock, dunno why. I'm still on 4.2 and for me it's pretty smooth and fluid already i dont even need to upgrade.
Recently get an OTA for 4.3, but there's no way to root it in a simple way. tempting to root using jackie's way or flashing monx but im still too lazy to do it, still enjoyin my current 4.2 haha
I think sony did a good job here
I'm with you too dude. For me it's close enough to stock not to piss me off, their skin is simple and black base (better for battery), and I like some of the bloatware too.
I have deleted a lot, but that's another thing I like, I was able to delete or freeze most of what I didn't want without needing root. On touchwizz practically nothing could be deleted without root.
For me, Sony have worked it really well, bugs aside, and 290 is perfect IMHO except bluetooth.
I love cm, don't get me wrong, I just don't need it as much with Sony as I did with Samsung.
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Same here, actually i'm still on 4.2.2. Still amazed with stock rom, looks good and stays smooth and fast. I can endless opening apps, not any hick up. OOM works unnoticed, and don't need to restart device. On my old LG 3d i changed roms and kernels continously. My son his tab2 flashed a hour after purchase. My Acer A700 running CM10.1 unfortunately my daughter jumped on screen i need to order new screen/digitizer.
But i'm surpised with myself that i'm still on stock and don't want to flash. Only reason for me to flash would be working miracast with my LG 55LM750S.
I'm back on the GPe ROM I was bored yesterday, so the only thing to do when i'm bored is to install or flash something. I'm still amazed how everything is running so smooth and i have still to find a bug. I haven't found a single one. I find it funny that we went from AOSP ROMs that had their fair share of problems, to a AOSP ROM that is perfect like THAT.
I guess i'll keep using GPe for now, but i find some small things to be a little annoying. The volume is rather strange. It can be really quiet on one level, and be really loud on the next one, which makes it very annoying since i have to try to find the sweet spot. The stock ROM is much better at this. The quick toggles are also quite bad. Why do i have to press and HOLD to activate/deactivate a feature? Why can't i just tap a toggle like on CM? One tap on AOSP will open the settings for that feature, and someone at Google should be shot in the face. Well, that's about it really
I agree, been on and off Cm9-10 for years with some stints on Samsung's JB, but these ROMs rock. Only complaint is WIFI is a bit flakey. I don't even have a reason to root.
I have both a C6833 and Tablet Z.
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Hmm, i have no idea. I think it "pops up" when you activate tablet mode. I know that CM supports it though, but since GPe build is strictly made for the ZU, Sony may have removed the feature (i can't prove it though).