Im assuming lack of roms is because we are waiting on ics?
due to lock bl. if kholk releases his bypass we may see more development of roms and kernels for razr
due to lack of developers and locked bootloader
Well bl allows different kernels. I just thought there were more gb options. However, running eclipse and couldnt be happier.
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I'm new to Android (I'll have my Atrix tomorrow), and hearing all this concern about the locked bootloader has me questioning what an unlocked bootloader would actually get us. On a PC or Mac, a bootloader would let you install multiple OS's to your system and load any of them at will. It's useful, but I wouldn't be upset if I couldn't do it. I think I must be missing something. On Android how does this differ? I noticed there's already at least one custom ROM (GingerBlur) available and working on the Atrix, which means we can already run custom ROMs... What else is there? If the bootloader were unlocked, what more would that actually get us?
that rom, from my understanding (fairly new to android and waiting for my atrix too) is only a pseudoROM that doesnt actually change the OS only edits the framework of the current one. a locked bootloader means we cannot run custom/vanilla versions of android and so we are stuck waiting for AT&T or Bell or motorola to decide when we can update to the latest version of android.
without a locked bootloader we are stuck being a pawn in 3 big companies' game of chess.
Kernels my friend. Allow us to toggle art" 4g" manually. And others like enable hardware to use features like 1080p record. And able to get (which is currently limited to 2 points of recognition touch) ore like 5 or 10 ( to use the hardware fully)
Kernels, which are the meat of any good rom. It allows us to make ROMS that allow for overcpocking, wiping the slatefor a fresh, lean build, and many other things.
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like has been said, basically you are correct, in that it lets us load custom OS's and ROMs
as someone above me said the ROM released now is only a pseudoROM, and only edits existing framework. an unlocked bootloader would allow us to load fresh version of Android without any bloat and allow us to overclock the already impressive processor in the Atrix.
Basically - unlocked bootloader = unlocked near infinite potential for the Atrix.
When you think of the possibility of an unlocked bootloader combined with the Atrix hardware it's easy to forget what you already have in hand. I don't think that there is any phone out (custom rom or not) that is ALL AROUND better than the Atrix is right out the box. The bootloader will get cracked but until then enjoy your 3k quadrant scores, great GPS, screen, and webtop.
I am coming from a long line of HTC phones, never had a motorola phone. Always had CWM on my phones, etc...
Correct me if im wrong.
With a locked down booatloader, we can only have roms based on OTA updates?
Custom roms are not possible because of locked bootloader?
One can not use the source of ICS, GB, or froyo and create a rom for a device with a locked bootloader?
AOSP (CM) won't work with a locked bootloader because it has a custom kernel, and a custom kernel needs an unlocked bootloader?
So what are the current rumors regarding the bootloader unlock(not bootstrap)?
Will there be an unlock tool from moto or are we waiting for some kind of exploit?
I am in the last few days where i can return this device for something else.
I do not want to be stuck with a locked down device. (looking at the Rezound forum..there seems to be more hope)
your thoughts...
thanks.
Good question! Wished I new all the answers.
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Droidel said:
I am coming from a long line of HTC phones, never had a motorola phone. Always had CWM on my phones, etc...
Correct me if im wrong.
With a locked down booatloader, we can only have roms based on OTA updates?
Custom roms are not possible because of locked bootloader?
One can not use the source of ICS, GB, or froyo and create a rom for a device with a locked bootloader?
AOSP (CM) won't work with a locked bootloader because it has a custom kernel, and a custom kernel needs an unlocked bootloader?
So what are the current rumors regarding the bootloader unlock(not bootstrap)?
Will there be an unlock tool from moto or are we waiting for some kind of exploit?
I am in the last few days where i can return this device for something else.
I do not want to be stuck with a locked down device. (looking at the Rezound forum..there seems to be more hope)
your thoughts...
thanks.
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#1 - No, there is a workaround called 2nd-init that lets us change everything except the kernel. Just look at DROID X/2/2 GLOBAL.
#2 - Custom roms are very possible either way, even without 2nd-init
#3 - If you can add 2nd-init, then you may. otherwise you need to work backward or forward from moto firmwares.
#4 - Cyanogen uses 2nd-init on devices with locked bootloaders. Some features require kernel changes (2D hardware acceleration for example) otherwise, it will work fine.
#5 - Rumor is that unlock is coming with ICS for international devices, not VZW though.
#6 - See above. VZW will need an exploit or an edit of the international unlock.
Someone has been reading the blogs.
And I see it in the comments all the time... OMG LOCKED BOOTLOADER I WANTED TO FLASH A ROM.
Although I'm not seeing anything yet, but give it time, it will happen.
Hello everyone, I have just received my beloved white X10a after letting a friend of mine borrow it for almost a year now. I know how to flash ROMS and know some (although very little) about Android tweaking and things like that. Coming back to the X10 forums it seems that the bootloader has finally been unlocked!
I have not unlocked it yet and I am running Donut 2.2 with XperiaS look along with ThKernel 2.6.29. I am enjoying the smoothness and average battery life (this battery is super old so I imagine that it's lasting capabilities have diminished a little). Anyway, I don't use my X10 for much, just a few games like Draw Something, but mostly I like reading manga or e-books and forums. I edit a good bit of pictures as well.
So, what I want to know is am I going to benefit from unlocking my bootloader? I know unlocking it allows so much more control over your phone but since there are not many devs still here in the X10 forums, is it even worth it? Will I benefit from anything by using kernels for unlocked bootloaders with my phone usage? I have never overclocked a phone because I really had no need for it but is it safe to use an overclock-capable kernel but use the native voltage at all times?
Hey pal yeah it is basically as u said there a few nice kernels about now with oc, built in recoveries (xrec, cwm and bootmenu-kernel booting) and many other tweaks and things. Its well worth doin as with flashtool its so easy to do it just one button. There are kernels for locked bl i think but dont know if they as good never used one (i unlocked as soon as the laser released it) id say personally do it
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Locked bootloaders allows you to have custom kernels too, but they're not as advanced as the custom kernels for unlocked bootloaders. If you have a custom kernel that you have in mind to use and it has specific patches/fixes/additions that's only for unlocked bootloader (which you need), you should unlock your bootloader.
Plus, some ROMs requires you to have unlocked bootloaders (i.e. FXP CM7/CM9) as they require their own custom kernels (which has patches/fixes/additions that can only be used/made/added with unlocked bootloaders).
Furthermore, with unlocked bootloader, it allows you to use BOTH custom kernels which were designed for locked and unlocked bootloader thanks to D's BootMan (but you still need to use the recommended kernel for the ROM that you're going to use).
Give it sometime, think about it. Once you've decided, take your action. And make sure to test your USB connection first as if they're broken, you might ended up getting your USB disconnected while in the process of unlocked bootloader (which will result in bricking the phone).
I really appreciate the insight guys.
Hey Guys
I am thinking of starting development for the Photon 4G, and i also want to understand the limitations we have at the point, towards developing new ROMs. To start:
i) i know a Kernel stays between software and hardware, and contains all the drivers needed. But where are we right now in Photon 4G's case? i mean, are we dependent on Motorola to release a Kernel for ICS, if we want to run an ICS ROM properly? As in to utilize the GPU of the Tegra 2 chipset we have, we need Motorola to release a Kernel or is it that we can write drivers on our own or that Nvidia would release those drivers and not Motorola?
after Rollout of ICS ROMs for the 4G begins in Q4, would we be able to use these drivers and use them on JB ROMs? would this work good?
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Hey Guys
I am thinking of starting development for the Photon 4G, and i also want to understand the limitations we have at the point, towards developing new ROMs. To start:
i) i know a Kernel stays between software and hardware, and contains all the drivers needed. But where are we right now in Photon 4G's case? i mean, are we dependent on Motorola to release a Kernel for ICS, if we want to run an ICS ROM properly? As in to utilize the GPU of the Tegra 2 chipset we have, we need Motorola to release a Kernel or is it that we can write drivers on our own or that Nvidia would release those drivers and not Motorola?
after Rollout of ICS ROMs for the 4G begins in Q4, would we be able to use these drivers and use them on JB ROMs? would this work good?
Regards
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Don't quote me, by my understanding is that for the ICS/JB ROMS we currently have they all run a modified GB Kernel and until Moto actually releases ICS officially(or atleast the Kernel) things will stay this way. And assuming they release ICS(as they claim they will in Q4) we should be able to take the Kernel from the release and have a fully functional(minus 4g) actual ICS Kernel. Best of luck with your work glad to see more on board! And im sure we will get some more definitive posts than mine by our actual devs here soon
Unless moto does something about the locked bootloader issue custom kernels will be an issue.
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But we have unlocked boot loaders for some phones atleast right? Locked boot loaders means those permanently locked ones, doesn't it? Actually, though I never tried the Online Boot loader Unlock method, has anyone with a locked boot loader tried doing that? I would have to read to know exactly how it works but I am just suggesting. Also if we have proper GB kernels, where are our GB ROMs? Atleast when we have kernels for those we should be having pretty stable tegra 2 based GB Right?
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Edit: Ok, i checked on the website, they do not support unlocking the Photon 4G. But maybe in Time.
Still, we can develop Kernels for the phones can't we?
Also, while on JB, i have noticed some graphical Artifacts (Shadows behind moving icons, unwanted graphical stuttering), these are because of incomplete/bad drivers right??
Regards
psgarcha92 said:
But we have unlocked boot loaders for some phones atleast right? Locked boot loaders means those permanently locked ones, doesn't it? Actually, though I never tried the Online Boot loader Unlock method, has anyone with a locked boot loader tried doing that? I would have to read to know exactly how it works but I am just suggesting. Also if we have proper GB kernels, where are our GB ROMs? Atleast when we have kernels for those we should be having pretty stable tegra 2 based GB Right?
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Edit: Ok, i checked on the website, they do not support unlocking the Photon 4G. But maybe in Time.
Still, we can develop Kernels for the phones can't we?
Also, while on JB, i have noticed some graphical Artifacts (Shadows behind moving icons, unwanted graphical stuttering), these are because of incomplete/bad drivers right??
Regards
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Yeah there are some graphical issues from time to time on ICS/JB from our lack of correct ICS/JB drivers. And we have some GB ROMS but IMO they have sort of lost appeal(there are amazing GB ROMS out there for Photon but I personally want the latest and greatest at all times, im not at all knocking the GB ROMs our devs have made) since we have a pretty damn near fully functional ICS/JB Base to port off of(Jokers CM9/10). There are several fully functioning GB based ROMs like CM7, obviously minus 4g working but other than that I believe everything works.
Ok, so one more question.
Mostly it is the lack of drivers that is not letting the ROMs work fine, right?
I mean, i see alot of shadows behind moving icons, and sometimes when playing Minecraft there is some stuttering too.Not to mention the stray stuttering in GUI. So when Motorola releases the Kernel for the Atrix (hardware almost the same as of the Photon), we can use that kernel on our Photons for ICS right? Would that mean "NO" driver issues at all because ICS for ATRIX releases in Q3 and for Photon releases in Q4. Also when we have proper ICS kernels, can we expect them to work fine on JB too? to sum it up for the lazy:
i) I read in the threads that the Atrix kernel works in the Photon too. Is it correct, and are these drivers the only causes of Major Graphics and Video Camera issues in our ROMs?
ii) i also read that once we get the ICS kernel, it might also work for Jellybean. Is that right? would we have to Port it for JB, making compromises on Graphics and other stuff or the Kernels for both are essentially the same? (asking because, i tried to flash a faux CM9 kernel to my JB yesterday and it was always stuck on the bootscreen).
iii) when the Android Source changes, do we always have to write kernels? i mean if 2.3.4 is updated to 2.3.5, and 4.0.4 is updated to 4.1.1, do we need new kernels?
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We cannot use Olympus kernel, we can use Olympus kernel source with Sunfire defconfig. But Olympus sources will be out probably later then our ICS.
ICS is a big update, based on 3.x kernel, so it's so hard to make it running properly on 2.6.32 kernel. But JB is a minor update from ICS, using the same 3.x kernel, so there should be no problem.
But it's not only the kernel, we need libraries, maybe we could use some Olympus libraries, but it will be still too hard to make things properly running.
We need Moto ICS for Sunfire. And kernel source, would be nice too.
So, when they release Moto ICS, they wont be releasing the Source at the same time? As in when they release it for the Olympus, roughly when would they be releasing the Sources? Is there no way to reverse engineer these SBF files to get kernel sources? or we have to wait for proper sources only?
if, suppose, the Olympus ICS is released tomorrow. We wont be able to build our kernel sources from that update at all?
At the same time, if Sunfire's ICS is released tomorrow, would we be able to strip these files to the proper kernel files then?
Where can i read more about Writing these kernels? where did u guys start?
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I speak for the people on versions 3.2.7 3.2.8 4.1.x and 4.5.x my question is will there be any way in the foreseeable future of uniting the people below 3.2.7 with those that are higher and only seem to have access to nexus 4.2.2 safestrap edition 1.0.1 pretty much all versions of both tablets (except Saturn) have been rooted but they are unable to do much due to the bootloader incompatibilities. Wish auto update was not a feature.
I am hoping for the longest and most prospererous future for our device. I am very sorry if this is spam or irrelevant.
What can we expect to see coming in the future for new bootloader devices?
No one knows.
it would be nice though
darn i wish i could develop roms but i dont have the time (college)
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darn i wish i could develop roms but i dont have the time (college)
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The thing is, it's not just about someone creating a compatible ROM or unlock. Otherwise, we would've already seen some development for the newer firmware versions. The sole reason for why these things are possible in the first place lies in exploits. No one has been able to discover any holes in the system yet that make these devices vulnerable enough for "attacks" like allowing you to replace the stock recovery or kernel.
I'm kinda bored with nexus safestrap.
Is there anything that can be done with fastboot, can we use that to unlock the bootloader similar to how Sony Xperias get unlocked?
No, completely different devices and software and everything else. Only similar thing is the base of Android, and even then, both Amazon and Sony modified the base(Amazon more so)