I now have the screen and stylus set up where I can draw decently on the Prime, but am having issues with palm detection. I have the app TouchScreenTune and have palm rejection on, but it still registers it sometimes.
I was wondering, is there a glove or partial glove that prevents palm detection? I know that any glove with non-conductive materials should do this normally, but I have been able to have access the screen even with these.
What do you all do normally to stop palm detection?
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What do you all do normally to stop palm detection?
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I know this isn't the most helpful answer but:
Don't touch the screen with my palm.
If you are using an app like TouchScreen Tune to crank the sensitivity of your screen to increase performance, maybe turn it down a bit. If I put a thin piece of cloth over the screen none of my touches register so I don't know if you are doing something different that makes the screen work through your glove.
almightywhacko said:
I know this isn't the most helpful answer but:
Don't touch the screen with my palm.
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What a novel idea!
I used to have a windows tablet with an active digitizer and didn't have to worry about anything showing up except the pen. It's just something I'll have to train myself to watch out for.
I just got TouchScreenTune last week and am still tweaking it, so that might take care of some of it. I have Sketch Book Mobile set up now so that diagonal lines are smooth and not stair-step shaped and it seems that the Prime will make a decent sketching tablet.
I had thought of this as well while testing out stylus and hand written notes. Just to test the theory I tried with thin 100% cotton t-shirt. Two layers of that material and touches were totally blocked. My thought was that if you had a cotton glove of thick enough material it would be perfect. Also you could either cut off the fingertip of the index finger of your writing hand or replace it with touchscreen friendly material so you could still do finger touches on screen with that hand. I know I've seen companies selling thin touchscreen friendly gloves before so you could cut a fingertip off one of those and sew into the cotton glove perhaps.
Buy some cheap gloves made of thin material, cut off the fingers.
You should not register touches with light pressure by the palms. Take a piece of paper and place it over your touchscreen and see if that responds at all. It barely does with my phone and I was stabbing at it with my fingers.
Buy capacitive gloves...
http://www.amazon.com/Agloves-scree...QMPE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334608906&sr=8-2
chamberc said:
Buy capacitive gloves...
http://www.amazon.com/Agloves-scree...QMPE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334608906&sr=8-2
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Er... this is the exact thing the OP does not want.
I've used winter gloves with the fingers cut out... I can put pictures up if anyone wants.
The problem is, it depends on your set sensitivity. If you have the touchscreen sensitivity app, you can adjust the sensitivity and the problem for me is that when I increase the sensitivity so that it works best with the Adonit Jot Pro... the screen actually can pick up my palm through the gloves.
NeoteriX said:
Er... this is the exact thing the OP does not want.
I've used winter gloves with the fingers cut out... I can put pictures up if anyone wants.
The problem is, it depends on your set sensitivity. If you have the touchscreen sensitivity app, you can adjust the sensitivity and the problem for me is that when I increase the sensitivity so that it works best with the Adonit Jot Pro... the screen actually can pick up my palm through the gloves.
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It's actually exactly what he wants. Why would you be touching the tablet with your palm?
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It's actually exactly what he wants. Why would you be touching the tablet with your palm?
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The point is that for handwriting like you would with pen and paper palm rejection sucks on the ATP. By having a thin insulating glove you resolve this issue. And with the right glove material you could clean your screen while writing.
CideLode said:
The point is that for handwriting like you would with pen and paper palm rejection sucks on the ATP. By having a thin insulating glove you resolve this issue. And with the right glove material you could clean your screen while writing.
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Which is what I was thinking. I'm going to throw something together this weekend and see how it works. Its not a life or death kind of thing. It would be nice though to draw on this thing like you can with paper without acting like the screen is lava.
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Okay, well that's a result.
I turned TouchScreenTune off, grabbed a cheap knit glove and a screen cleaning cloth, quick stitched one to the other, and tested it. Through the cloth and glove, the screen is still picking up palm touches. Which must mean that the cloth I used is capacitive in some way.
Meh.
You should buy the stylus handpad. It do just what you want, and come with a stylus pen.
I think it's easier and more conformable to put on compare to glove, especially in the summer time.
You can find it in the link: anicelydone.com
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Would it be possible to have a glass screen protector that makes the screen flush with the surface of the phone?
Would it be possible to still use the touchscreen with said protector?
Is there some company that makes these?
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Would it be possible to have a glass screen protector that makes the screen flush with the surface of the phone?
Would it be possible to still use the touchscreen with said protector?
Is there some company that makes these?
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If these were readily available, the iphone wouldn't have been half as innovative. . .
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Yes
fzzyrn said:
Would it be possible to still use the touchscreen with said protector?
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Yes
fzzyrn said:
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Yes but I don't know any brand.
Huh really? I think it'd be nice. ONe of the reasons i'm leaning towards the touch dual/touch is that the screen is flush witht he surface, and it makes pushing things like the x-button really easy without the stylus. I don't particularly like the stylus.
We need to find some company that will make these for us.
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Would it be possible to have a glass screen protector that makes the screen flush with the surface of the phone?
Would it be possible to still use the touchscreen with said protector?
Is there some company that makes these?
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If you had a screen protector that thick, I don't think the touch screen would be very functional.
When you said glass screen protector, you mean using 'glass'? that won't be possible. Not sure how johnny88 get his answers. Anyway, the touchscreen uses a series of X Y grids of 'wires' within to detect 'touches'. Having a glass (i.e rigid) or even thick plastic scr prt will make the whole lot of these grids touching, making it impossible for the screen to actually know where you are touching. It is like replacing the stylus with a .. .. big square.. er.. glass. Logically, it (glass) wont work. Even with a thick plastic scr ptr wont work as well. It is like.. hmmm... put a piece of paper over your palm, and poke it with your stylus. You know where the stylus is by just the feelings on your palm. Replace the piece of paper with a piece of thicker paper.. (er.. or card board, notebooks, the telephone directory), and you loose the senses. Same goes for putting a glass on your palm and tyr to feel the stylus through it.
It will work though if it uses IR light as sensor.. .. which if it does, we already have multi touch capabilities.
so..no hope huh? I really would like it flush, but whatever. I guess i can just use the stylus.
By glass i meant sort of like how the iphone surface is. I'm aware that IR leds can be used to make multitouch displays.
But if the thick plastic interferes with the working of the screen, then how do the normal screen protectors function.
because normal scr prt isn't that thick (or not thick enough). Probably it does reduce the sensitivity of the touchscreen (i.e. the touchscreen may have a resolution of a dot of 0.5mm, which increased to 1mm due to the scr prt), but at a not noticible manner. E.g., poke yourself with a stylus, cover yourself with a tissue, poke it again. it feels the same because tissue is thin enough.
I have a little scratch on it, like 4 mm long and when i have a white background, its very good noticeable, it deforms the colors.
I have no screen protector, i ordered 1 yesterday, but it seems i'm to late. I always keep my G1 in the nice pocket that came with it.
Can i do it away, or do i have to live with it ?
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I have a little scratch on it, like 4 mm long and when i have a white background, its very good noticeable, it deforms the colors.
I have no screen protector, i ordered 1 yesterday, but it seems i'm to late. I always keep my G1 in the nice pocket that came with it.
Can i do it away, or do i have to live with it ?
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there is a way for non - touch screen phones but i dont think there is a way for touch screen ones, however i could be mistaken
sanding paper 6000 grit+ ( gluck finding those )
or maybe cd scratch remover
I never tried any of those so you might want to wait for a more appropriate answer
** I remove my ps3 scratches with 2k grit sand paper , some wax and voila no more scratches but I'm really not sure if 6000 grit paper or even 8000-12000 grit paper might do the job for a screen. Try it on a very old screen if you ever want to try sanding down your screen
Try using tooth paste, yes toothpaste, the colgate kind, it has some grit to it. No guarantees though, be careful, not responsible for minty fresh dead phones.
or google that stuff advertised in the late 90's to remove scrathes from eyeglasses... was I thing a self leveling polymer or some such.... but not to expencive
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or google that stuff advertised in the late 90's to remove scrathes from eyeglasses... was I thing a self leveling polymer or some such.... but not to expencive
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This is your best bet but you're going to have to be careful not to leave any on the screen where there is no scratch.
These are capacitive touchscreens, the surface of the glass/screen is special.
bad recommendation. sorry
Edit: Nevermind... Applesauce only works for ipods. Evidently it's too abrasive for the iphone, so it would be too abrasive for us too.
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http://www.displex.com/ never tried it, but this is what its for.
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Attention: use only on non-coated surfaces and plastics; when used on mobile phones, treat only the transparent portions of the display lens. Not for use with touch screen displays.
Google "displex for touch screen" and you will come up with a ton of results saying it is not for touchscreens, especially capacitive like the G1 because it will remove the indium tin oxide that conducts the electric flow across the screen.
i guess sanding is out of question then
i tough there was some plastic protector to protect the real screen
Some of the screen protectors can hide scratches when applied. The Invisible Shield has been known for this due to its flexible material. No guarantees though.
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Some of the screen protectors can hide scratches when applied. The Invisible Shield has been known for this due to its flexible material. No guarantees though.
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I can confirm this, I actually just used a screen protector on my old VX6900 Vogue, it made most of the scratches disappear except for this one very very deep one.
I got some of the mirror protectors, a bit meh, kinda covers one of the 2 small scratches on my screen (not that they are that noticeable anyway). I have the standard kind in the post, so I'll try one of those when they get here.
Vaseline works great on most standard LCDs. The day I bought a 19" WS LCD I knocked it over, coffee all over it, but on it's way down it caught the edge of my baccy tin, leaving a bright blue stuck pixel in the middle of a scratch (arghh). Luckily I was able to massage out the pixel and cover over the scratch with some clear Vaseline, it's still visible, but only from extreme angles (way beyond the viewing angle of the screen).
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I got some of the mirror protectors, a bit meh, kinda covers one of the 2 small scratches on my screen (not that they are that noticeable anyway). I have the standard kind in the post, so I'll try one of those when they get here.
Vaseline works great on most standard LCDs. The day I bought a 19" WS LCD I knocked it over, coffee all over it, but on it's way down it caught the edge of my baccy tin, leaving a bright blue stuck pixel in the middle of a scratch (arghh). Luckily I was able to massage out the pixel and cover over the scratch with some clear Vaseline, it's still visible, but only from extreme angles (way beyond the viewing angle of the screen).
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Sounds good for a tv but for a touch screen device....vaseline? would make for a difficult experience
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Sounds good for a tv but for a touch screen device....vaseline? would make for a difficult experience
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Yeah I mean it won't work on a phone, it's pretty good on a proper LCD, I think because the refractive properties are far closer to the material than air.
What is the best screen protector to use with the note? I'm using a zagg but I'm having an issue with the pen not being accurate with where I'm drawing or writing on the screen. I don't know if the zagg is the cause of this or is it something with the phone. (I'm asking because I'm going to take the phone to best buy and if its the zagg I will get a different screen protector instead of them giving me another zagg).
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Im using the SGP Steinheil screen protector and it isnt interfering with the SPen at all.
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Im using the SGP Steinheil screen protector and it isnt interfering with the SPen at all.
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Same here, i got the oil resistant version and it works fine.
Thanks guys but the issue is just with the functionality of the pen and note itself. I went to best buy and all of the notes did the same thing. I guess I was just expecting it to function and its response to be smoother/better than what it is. Hopefully if and when they release the OTA ICS this will improve it.
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Are you seeing the line is not directly under the point of you spen? If so, this is something that many other have seen and are dealing with. They are even trying to find some way to calibrate the pen. Nothing just yet.
Also, if you are left handed there is a setting for the pen for leftys. I must say it does not seem to make a bit of difference for me.
BTW, there are threads about this, have a look around.
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Are you seeing the line is not directly under the point of you spen? If so, this is something that many other have seen and are dealing with. They are even trying to find some way to calibrate the pen. Nothing just yet.
Also, if you are left handed there is a setting for the pen for leftys. I must say it does not seem to make a bit of difference for me.
BTW, there are threads about this, have a look around.
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What I've found, and it may be the glas sp I'm using, is that if the spen is perfectly perpendicular to the phone, it aligns perfectly. If I'm holding it at an angle, it almost certainly will be off by a few mm.
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alperin1 said:
Are you seeing the line is not directly under the point of you spen? If so, this is something that many other have seen and are dealing with. They are even trying to find some way to calibrate the pen. Nothing just yet.
Also, if you are left handed there is a setting for the pen for leftys. I must say it does not seem to make a bit of difference for me.
BTW, there are threads about this, have a look around.
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There IS a way to calibrate the pen. Well, to auto-calibrate it at least. Just take out the pen and with the screen on, draw circular squiggles over the edges of the display, so that whatever you're drawing, a part of the line is actually drawn, and then a part is off-screen. Do this along all the edges, and the S-Pen should be calibrated. Mine was initially off by almost a centimeter, but after doing that, it was nearly perfect. I've noticed that it likes to drift over time, but it's easy enough to just squiggle along the edges occasionally to keep it in check. You don't need to be in an S-Pen-compatible app or anything, as long as the screen is on and it's reading input, it should work.
And actually, I'm in the same boat regarding the Zagg screen protector. The one I had for my old iPhone had crystal clarity, but unfortunately the Zagg for the Note makes the display look oily all the time. It really bugs me. The only other screen protector I've found locally is a frosted protector (ew) so that's even worse. But with the Zagg, the protector is slightly squishy, so it feels like I'm writing on tacky tape with the S-Pen. And it leaves indentations everywhere. But since Zagg/Best Buy will replace a damaged Zagg at no charge, I'm kind of afraid to try anything else. Most places won't let you return a used screen protector. I suppose I'd rather have a protected screen than an exposed one that draws nicely...
I do feel like the touch sensitivity has been decreased since I put the Zagg on, ever so slightly. It's strange, I certainly didn't have that problem with my last phone.
Don't have issues with this ivisor anti glare and fingerprint protector I jacked from my local AT&T store.
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Can you increase the screen sensitivity?
with TouchScreenTune you can
Did touchscreen tune work?
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Did touchscreen tune work?
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I've heard it works but the unfortunate thing (for me) is you have to be rooted. I didnt really want to root my note.
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johnus said:
The one I had for my old iPhone had crystal clarity, but unfortunately the Zagg for the Note makes the display look oily all the time.
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A little update: after a couple days the oily look has significantly decreased. It's still not as clear as not having any screen protector at all, but it's a lot better than it was and I don't mind it at all now.
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Im using the SGP Steinheil screen protector and it isnt interfering with the SPen at all.
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I'm using zagg but it's way too sticky. How is steinheil? I want it to be slippery with pen and fingers.
torbjorne said:
I'm using zagg but it's way too sticky. How is steinheil? I won't it to be slippery with pen and fingers.
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Agreed. I didn't bother reading reviews before buying the Zagg. Too much resistance. Wish I had done the research, now I'm down $30 since BB won't do refunds on "consumable" merchandise.
Anyone else use the Steinheil protector? Like the above poster, I'm looking for something friction-less. Anyone use the "ultrafine" Steinheil protector? Does it cut down on glare (using the Note 10.1 as a digital notebook for classes).
Anyone tried the "Just Like Glass" from DBA Cases or the "official" samsung SP ETC-P1G2CEG from Clove?
The Product:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006QG47YW/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
The Review:
Well, like many TF201 owners, I suffer from disappointment with the glossy finish on the Prime's screen. It's hard to show off your tablet/laptop hybrid when you open it up and it's covered in oil from our fingers. Luckily, Acase has a solution.
This screen protector does exactly what it is described to do:
1-Protects the screen (yes, it's "gorilla glass" but that doesn't mean it's beyond extra protection)
2- applies a matte finish to the screen
3- drastically decreases the presence of fingerprints
I can officially say that this product was applied by ME (and I have no professional training in applying screen protectors) and the application process went well with no dirt/dust/bubbles.
They ship the screen protectors in a box which is nice because it helps protect from any bending that could occur en route.
The only con I can think of at this point is the same con you'll get on any matte screen protector, the screen does lose a little clarity. In my opinion, however, the loss in clarity is not enough to even care about.
In conclusion, if you want a solution to the glossy screen and the presence of fingerprints, I highly recommend this product. I am pleased with my purchase and the product is working the way it should.
The Pictures:
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Looks great. Sounds good too. I'm curious how the screen feels, same as without the protector? Just curious if it hinders sliding the fingers much.
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I wonder what the longevity is of this anti-glare screen protector.
In my experience after a few months the texture gets worn smooth in spots from repeated finger rubbing. Also after a few weeks they get "gummy" and lose some of their fingerprint resistance while at the same time becoming a bit more difficult to clean.
Also, how does this skin work with styli?
I am currently switching between the Griffin GC16040 and the Jot Classic. Does a skin like this one reduce the sensitivity of a stylus significantly? The Jot in particular is very much affected even by smooth screen protectors.
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Also, how does this skin work with styli?
I am currently switching between the Griffin GC16040 and the Jot Classic. Does a skin like this one reduce the sensitivity of a stylus significantly? The Jot in particular is very much affected even by smooth screen protectors.
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I'm writing this with the Acase stylus and anti-glare protector. The stylus seems to be just as responsive now just like before applying the screen protector. The protector does take away some brightness; however, I'm not having to clean the screen every 5 minutes. I highly recommend it.
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Looks great. Sounds good too. I'm curious how the screen feels, same as without the protector? Just curious if it hinders sliding the fingers much.
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In my opinion, I like how my finger slides better with this screen protector than without it.
My hypothesis is this:
Since the screen protector repels oils, I'm assuming that there isn't a layer of accumulated oil between the finger and the screen, thus allowing for better movement upon the screen.
Also, my Minisuit stylus works quite well with it. I would say it works just as well as without a screen protector.
I'm pleased with this purchase.
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In my opinion, I like how my finger slides better with this screen protector than without it.
My hypothesis is this:
Since the screen protector repels oils, I'm assuming that there isn't a layer of accumulated oil between the finger and the screen, thus allowing for better movement upon the screen.
Also, my Minisuit stylus works quite well with it. I would say it works just as well as without a screen protector.
I'm pleased with this purchase.
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This type of screen protector doesn't repel oil at all. In fact over time most of them will absorb oils from your hand.
The reason that your finger slides easy is that the surface is textured which reduces the surface area that you finger actually makes contact with, which in turn reduces friction.
Incidentally the texture is the same reason why fingerprints show up less easily, since some of the oils from your fingers will slip below the highest surfaces of the screen protector so that you don't see it.
However like I said in my other post, textured screen protectors tend to get worn smooth after a few months of regular use, which makes me wonder how long this one will last.
Keep us posted!
Thanks for the review.. though about a week too late!
I ordered the minisuit anti-glare / anti-fingerprint.. guess we'll see if it's much different than the Acase stuff when it comes in in a few days.
I'd like to modify a pen so its cap acts as a direct stylus. I'm thinking of taking a good pen, attaching a magnet to the side and a point composed of DirectStylus compatible material to the top with superglue then sugru for an ergonomic yet stylush finish. The neodymium magnet should allow it to snap on the smart case mounts.
I want the tablet to recognize it as a stylus as well as measure pressure like nvidia's does.
I've googled to no avail, just that passive capacitative touch doesn't normally detect pressure and somehow the direct stylus does.
What sort of material does the direct stylus use?
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2me3 said:
I'd like to modify a pen so its cap acts as a direct stylus. I'm thinking of taking a good pen, attaching a magnet to the side and a point composed of DirectStylus compatible material to the top with superglue then sugru for an ergonomic yet stylush finish. The neodymium magnet should allow it to snap on the smart case mounts.
I want the tablet to recognize it as a stylus as well as measure pressure like nvidia's does.
I've googled to no avail, just that passive capacitative touch doesn't normally detect pressure and somehow the direct stylus does.
What sort of material does the direct stylus use?
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While I can't answer your question, I will describe my observations of what ELSE gets registered on the screen:
- keys. yup that's right, I tried using my house key and the tip is recognized. I suspect any metal tip would work.
- ballpoint pen tips. I was trying to trace an image from the screen onto a piece of paper overlaid on it, and the picture kept moving!
- my headphones cord. found this out by accident when i was watching youtube and my screen was moving all over the place. took me a whole 5 minutes to figure out my headphone cord was in contact with the screen, and that caused the movements. so I suspect the outer housing was thin enough that the internal wiring could still get detected by the screen.
The pressure is definitely not detected in the Stylus though. It's just a passive stylus with no internal electronics at all. For pressure, you'll want to use a material that can deform, since I think that is how the screen detects it. More pressure means the initial size of the touch increases a greater amount.
Confirmed: http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-shield-tablet-directstylus-2-review-29338977/
"NVIDIA’s DirectStylus 2 is arguably a similar compromise, but it’s a clever one. The pen itself is regular plastic with an angled rubber tip, and the magic is all in the software and algorithms. Running the touch processing through the Tegra K1 means it’s able to differentiate in real-time between the nib, your fingers, and your palm resting on the display. DirectStylus 2 can even feign pressure sensitivity, by measuring the contact point as the tip deforms against the screen."