I've been attempting to backup via ROM Manager for the past few hours here, and it clicks through for a solid 5 minutes until it ends with the error:
Error while making a backup image of /data!
/tmp/recover.log was copied to sdcard/clockworkmod/recovery.log. Please open ROM Manager to report the issue
It's happened 3 times in a row now, so i'm assuming it's not a one off and there's something i'm doing incorrectly.
I'm still running the stock version of Sense.
I think everyone would agree with me in saying not to use RomManager for anything.
It's always best to go into recovery and do it yourself.
As for your problem I had a similar issue on my Dinc, I solved it by updating my recovery. But that isn't really an option with the Amaze.
If you can, buy 4ext recovery control app. It's simply sensational. (trying to get away from saying "Amaze" ing ;p)
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Yeah don't use that app... If you want a recovery that has an app controller, use 4EXT
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Sounds like you dont have enough space on your sd card
Well, if you are doing backup via the app, that you obvioulsy have the rom manager cmw recovery flashed, dont use that one, your phone wont charge while its off, but anyway use any other recovery, just not the rom manager one
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Radioslave - are you in recovery while trying to make a back up or are you trying to use Rom Manager app?
But I would just spend the $2.64 and get 4EXT. It smoother than a baby's ass.
Wait....I sent this with Tapatalk?
Im in the ROM Manager app because it has the one touch backup, it does go into recovery to do the backup however. I do really like the ability with ROM Manager to swap between all roms and backup all within about an inch of space.
From the sounds of it 4EXT is the best one, i'll check it out thanks guys!
Radioslave said:
Im in the ROM Manager app because it has the one touch backup, it does go into recovery to do the backup however. I do really like the ability with ROM Manager to swap between all roms and backup all within about an inch of space.
From the sounds of it 4EXT is the best one, i'll check it out thanks guys!
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You don't have to use rom manager for anything. Anything that is on there, you can get here it or at android dev.us
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I have been scouring the forums to find a detailed set of instructions to flash a gingerbread ROM and radio. There are a lot of part explanations but I cannot find one single post which gives you the step-by-step from start to finish.
It would be nice if there were a simple set of instructions for all gingerbread ROMS on the thunderbolt. However, if there is not, here is what I personally would like to do:
I am running The Perfect Storm v1.4 and Imoseyon's LeanKernel 2.6.0.
I want Gingeritis and Imoseyon's GB LeanKernel.
I am sure that someone has covered this somewhere, but I can't find it. Sorry for the classic noob question. Any help would be appreciated.
First you want to download your rom and kernel to your sdcard (duh )
You also want to find the thread in the Dev section titled "obligatory radio thread" or the thread that has MR2 or MR2.5 radios and download one of those. It should be named PG05IMG.zip, so verify that. Place this file on the root of your sdcard (not in a folder), and then reboot into recovery. Wipe data and cache,as well as Dalvik under advanced. Now that you have wiped, install your rom and your kernel. After this, don't reboot, but pull your battery. Put the battery back in the phone and hold the volume down button. While holding volume down, hold the power button and you should see the HTC bootscreen. If you're still holding both buttons it will take you to the bootloader. From here follow the instructions to flash your radio (this is all you can do if the PG05IMG.zip file is on your sdcard. After the phone does its business it will prompt you to reboot, so be sure to do so. There you go
Make sure to hook your phone to your computer and delete the PG05IMG.zip file when you're done
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The only thing I'm shaky on is how to handle renaming the files between flashing the radio and the rom while in recovery.
Also, with regards to backups, I have two questions.
1 - after I use clockwork to do a nandroid backup, do I need to move it from the card. In other words, will flashing effect the nandroid backup such that I should copy it on to my computer.
2 - If I use titanium backup to back up my apps, will I need to do anything before flashing to be able to restore them when I'm in the new rom?
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The only thing I'm shaky on is how to handle renaming the files between flashing the radio and the rom while in recovery.
Also, with regards to backups, I have two questions.
1 - after I use clockwork to do a nandroid backup, do I need to move it from the card. In other words, will flashing effect the nandroid backup such that I should copy it on to my computer.
2 - If I use titanium backup to back up my apps, will I need to do anything before flashing to be able to restore them when I'm in the new rom?
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To address the re-naming of files whilst in recovery, you can mount your SD card from clockworkmod recovery by going to mounts and storage > mount USB storage. After you've mounted, just use your Windows/MAC/Linux interface to organize and re-name files.
Regarding your last two questions, no and no. Nandroids, Titanium Backups, SMS+ backups, etc. all save to your SD card in one place or another. So unless you plan on partitioning and/or formatting your SD card before you restore your various backups, then you're fine. However, if you do wipe your SD card at any point, either accidentally or purposely, it is always good to have a copy of it somewhere, so I always like to make sure my SD card is on my computer somewhere with at least one nandroid on it Hope this helps! If you want step-by-steps for going from Froyo to GB, I can help you out with that, just holler.
LAST QUESTIONS (I hope)
After I've flashed the new rom, I've read that you can restore user apps, but not system apps. So the first question is, if reinstall titanium from the APK, will titanium find the backup information that's on the SD card? Second, can you restore the user data as well or will I lose all of that information. If so, can I get it back?
You guys rock. I'm pretty sure this will be a helpful thread for a lot of people like me who need a little reassurance that they won't brick their phone.
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LAST QUESTIONS (I hope)
After I've flashed the new rom, I've read that you can restore user apps, but not system apps. So the first question is, if reinstall titanium from the APK, will titanium find the backup information that's on the SD card? Second, can you restore the user data as well or will I lose all of that information. If so, can I get it back?
You guys rock. I'm pretty sure this will be a helpful thread for a lot of people like me who need a little reassurance that they won't brick their phone.
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Yes, reinstalling titanium backup and using the restore feature is exactly the intended use. Unless you've manually changed the default backup location, it will find it on its own and you can restore both the apps themsevles and the user data (but only if you've backed that up within titanium as well!) However, I don't think titanium backs up sms/mms messages, so you'll have to grab smsbackup+ or a similar application to do that (its free ) Best of luck!
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May I also recommend titanium backup pro? Haha I'm not related to the Dev I promise but if you have a lot of apps the pro version saves a lot of time because you don't have to push install for each iindividual app goodluck!
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joshnichols189 said:
May I also recommend titanium backup pro? Haha I'm not related to the Dev I promise but if you have a lot of apps the pro version saves a lot of time because you don't have to push install for each iindividual app goodluck!
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I couldn't agree more, for us crackflashers it is a must +1!
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On the subject of pulling battery while in recovery. For me at least, an easier option is to reboot into bootloader using adb. After flashing your Rom and kernel just type adb reboot bootloader in your command prompt, and no battery pulling required.
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On the subject of pulling battery while in recovery. For me at least, an easier option is to reboot into bootloader using adb. After flashing your Rom and kernel just type adb reboot bootloader in your command prompt, and no battery pulling required.
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This is what I prefer, but I noticed a lot of people like to flash when they're not near a computer
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joshnichols189 said:
May I also recommend titanium backup pro? Haha I'm not related to the Dev I promise but if you have a lot of apps the pro version saves a lot of time because you don't have to push install for each iindividual app goodluck!
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Actually using TB root (free) you can also batch restore apps rather than individually restore., you just click on menu after clicking on backup/restore, and then select batch and it'll show you all your options.
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Actually using TB root (free) you can also batch restore apps rather than individually restore., you just click on menu after clicking on backup/restore, and then select batch and it'll show you all your options.
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You can batch in both versions of Titanium, what he was saying is that with premium you can batch restore your apps and not have to click install and ok on each one after they install - it skips that step, which for me was annoying.
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This is what I prefer, but I noticed a lot of people like to flash when they're not near a computer
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Sounds like bootloader reboot option would be a good addition to CWR.
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Can you restore user app DATA or just the apps themselves?
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Can you restore user app DATA or just the apps themselves?
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You can restore both the application data and the actual .apk
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I just flashed from VirusRom (froyo) to Das BAMF 2.1 Remix. I have tried both the 2 and 2.5 Radio I found in the forums here and I can never connect to 4g. 3g seems to be fine, but I can never get 4g and I am in a very strong 4g area (normally have full bars). Any suggestions as to how I can fix this?
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I just flashed from VirusRom (froyo) to Das BAMF 2.1 Remix. I have tried both the 2 and 2.5 Radio I found in the forums here and I can never connect to 4g. 3g seems to be fine, but I can never get 4g and I am in a very strong 4g area (normally have full bars). Any suggestions as to how I can fix this?
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I myself had some issues with radios as well. I'm not sure if you are having the same problems as I was but here is how I fixed it:
1. Reboot into recovery, wipe cache, wipe dalvik (3 times each, just in case...), re-flash your kernel (here's a shameless plug if you don't already have a favorite kernel - Imoseyon's LeanKernel is killer).
2. Once flashed, make sure your radio of choice (MR2 has been very good for me so far) is on your SD root named as PG05IMG.zip (you can rename or copy the radio by mounting the SD card in recovery by selecting mounts & storage -> mount usb and doing your business there), either pull the battery and power up holding the volume button as described above in this thread or use adb (I found using adb more simple). For adb, type "adb reboot bootloader" - once in hboot, select bootloader and your radio will flash. Once done reboot.
See if that helps as it did for me. If it doesn't, there are plenty of other very clever folks with their eyes on this thread who can help you better.
Best of luck...
i know rom manager is not good with our phones but can i use it to back up my rom?
dirtbikerr450 said:
i know rom manager is not good with our phones but can i use it to back up my rom?
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No. Go into CWM recovery the normal way and backup there. Even if it can work, don't develop a bad habit.
Even if you could back it up with Rom Manager what would be the point if you couldn't flash it back onto the phone?
Miami_Son said:
Even if you could back it up with Rom Manager what would be the point if you couldn't flash it back onto the phone?
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True but i just like to name the backups when i back it up looks like i have to use root explorer to rename the roms for cwm
dirtbikerr450 said:
True but i just like to name the backups when i back it up looks like i have to use root explorer to rename the roms for cwm
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Make a backup with CWM.. rename the backup with ROM Manager or CWM Manager... or root explorer.. the "managers" navagate quicker to the backups for me, but root explorer works just fine also
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Just get rid of ROM manager all together
I had too many problems with ROM manager, even when creating backups. Just make sure you have the latest and greatest recovery and do everything from recovery. If you need to rename, use root explorer.
I once tried to make a backup from ROM manager, I ended up having to restore to stock and flash a new version of CWM to get my phone out of a boot loop. Not a good feeling (specially if you forgot to backup your apps with TiBU).
Has anyone tried this APK to see if it's compatible with Rezound? I downloaded the free version but want to know if the pro works like it should. I believe the Pro backs up APK data.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app2zip
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I just flashed a new ROM and tried the free version of the APK. It worked with the exception of a couple APK's having FC's. I had to Re Install Swiftkey 3 and Titanium backup was giving me a little problems but it corrected itself. I'll report back any other issues I find but so far this APK is a winner.
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Has anyone tried this APK to see if it's compatible with Rezound? I downloaded the free version but want to know if the pro works like it should. I believe the Pro backs up APK data.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app2zip
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Also curious to see whether this works reliably on Rezound. There is one review from Rezound user in Play Market.
Also curious what makes this better than just restoring the \data partition via Amon Ra after flashing ROM update (wouldn't do that between different ROMs, but within ROMs, I have).
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Also curious to see whether this works reliably on Rezound. There is one review from Rezound user in Play Market.
Also curious what makes this better than just restoring the \data partition via Amon Ra after flashing ROM update (wouldn't do that between different ROMs, but within ROMs, I have).
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I have the free version and it is very easy to re-install all your apps. I did notice that when I went from GB to ICS some of the apps didn't work so I had to re-install from the play store (4-5), much easier than trying to re-install 60 apps manually.:laugh:
I have the pro version from an older device but I never really used it with the Rezound. What do you want me to test? I can try it.
Maybe I can make a flashable zip for some random app and you can see if you can flash it?
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I have the pro version from an older device but I never really used it with the Rezound. What do you want me to test? I can try it.
Maybe I can make a flashable zip for some random app and you can see if you can flash it?
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I'm principally interested in whether the app enables persistence of Exchange data across ROM flashes by enabling a backup. Right now, every time a new ROM is flashed, or even if I switch slots in Boot Manager, I have to completely resynch (i.e. recreate) all Exchange data. With 1700+ contacts, that's a serious impediment.
Frankly, I'm not sure where that data is stored...whether in an app or in a setting, or even if it's in the data partition. Maybe I should go hunting for it....
I know MyBackup Pro will back up contacts, but every time I use it to restore contacts, then sync with Exchange, I end up with two of everything.
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I'm principally interested in whether the app enables persistence of Exchange data across ROM flashes by enabling a backup. Right now, every time a new ROM is flashed, or even if I switch slots in Boot Manager, I have to completely resynch (i.e. recreate) all Exchange data. With 1700+ contacts, that's a serious impediment.
Frankly, I'm not sure where that data is stored...whether in an app or in a setting, or even if it's in the data partition. Maybe I should go hunting for it....
I know MyBackup Pro will back up contacts, but every time I use it to restore contacts, then sync with Exchange, I end up with two of everything.
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I used to be big on using the exchange server for contact sync. I never found a way to restore contacts without duplication errors.
Maybe if there was a program that would use pst or ost files you'd be able to install contacts via sd card but it would also have to sync with Exchange server.
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In recovery it NOT works, abort install CWM 5.0.2.8 lg-p990
dietoro said:
In recovery it NOT works, abort install CWM 5.0.2.8 lg-p990
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CWM is not a reliable recovery on the Rezound (and this is a Rezound thread).
Try with TWRP or better still Amon Ra 3.15 which is the most reliable recovery on this handset.
That having been said, I did try flashing this through Amon Ra immediately after flashing Newtoroot's XxX Sense 4.0 ROM (but before booting the ROM, then returning to recovery) and I got bootloops. Had to rewipe and reflash, then didn't try restore this way.
title shows the way it is...i've had it UP TO HERE with Boot manager.
I love the HTC Sense 4.1 camera on Newts HTC One XxX ROM but I dont like the bloaty sense framework that It has...right now i'm running AOKP 1.6 Linaro because it's fast and has no sense. unfortunately, I can't have both..and I found out that an app can "dual boot" your phone into 2 separate ROMS so that you can enjoy both. However i've been having NOTHING but PROBLEMS with boot manager. What started off as a simple idea has become a curse spewing nightmare
I'm s-Off and running Snuzzo's kernel from AOKP 1.6
1. I've searched the forums and done everything that other people have said
2. I'm using the Lite Version of Boot Manager since I only need one slot.
3. I have errors with "Error building new boot.img"
4. Disabled SU Logging and even wiped and tried SuperSU instead! (with logging disabled of course)
5. tried to install slot 1 via Zip file AND NANDROID BACKUP. Still having issues!
6. When installs are successful with no errors, when rebooting into the SDCARD Rom it just hangs at the HTC splash screen. mocking me.
7. Tried installing from external and internal storage..same problems...and i'm having a flip flop issue as well in regards to that..**
I'm at my wits end and am about to scrap this whole dual boot idea
**What I will say is that file explorer apps show my SD card as Internal Storage. and the internal storage shows my SDcard files...dafuq?! maybe SD card format?? that's for another forum question though...
If anyone can help me get this to work..I'll thank you and be sure to buy the app. But as for now...I'm glad I didn't spend my damn money!
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title shows the way it is...i've had it UP TO HERE with Boot manager.
I love the HTC Sense 4.1 camera on Newts HTC One XxX ROM but I dont like the bloaty sense framework that It has...right now i'm running AOKP 1.6 Linaro because it's fast and has no sense. unfortunately, I can't have both..and I found out that an app can "dual boot" your phone into 2 separate ROMS so that you can enjoy both. However i've been having NOTHING but PROBLEMS with boot manager. What started off as a simple idea has become a curse spewing nightmare
1. I've searched the forums and done everything that other people have said
2. I'm using the Lite Version of Boot Manager since I only need one slot.
3. I have errors with "Error building new boot.img"
4. Disabled SU Logging and even wiped and tried SuperSU instead! (with logging disabled of course)
5. tried to install slot 1 via Zip file AND NANDROID BACKUP. Still having issues!
6. When installs are successful with no errors, when rebooting into the SDCARD Rom it just hangs at the HTC splash screen. mocking me.
7. Tried installing from external and internal storage..same problems...and i'm having a flip flop issue as well in regards to that..**
I'm at my wits end and am about to scrap this whole dual boot idea
**What I will say is that file explorer apps show my SD card as Internal Storage. and the internal storage shows my SDcard files...dafuq?! maybe SD card format?? that's for another forum question though...
If anyone can help me get this to work..I'll thank you and be sure to buy the app. But as for now...I'm glad I didn't spend my damn money!
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From what ive heard the app has been abandoned by the developers. I wanted to dual boot too but I got the same error with the error building new boot.img as well so i quit trying. btw are you s-off? the app requires s-off so it can flash the other boot.img of the Sd roms.
jon7701 said:
From what ive heard the app has been abandoned by the developers. I wanted to dual boot too but I got the same error with the error building new boot.img as well so i quit trying. btw are you s-off? the app requires s-off so it can flash the other boot.img of the Sd roms.
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yes..I'm S-Off and recently in April of this year the developer made an update to support the Rezound. So even if the app has been abandoned for future devices....it supports the Rezound...and I've looked in the forums and people HAVE got it working on the Rezound. Pisses me off that It's not working for me
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yes..I'm S-Off and recently in April of this year the developer made an update to support the Rezound. So even if the app has been abandoned for future devices....it supports the Rezound...and I've looked in the forums and people HAVE got it working on the Rezound. Pisses me off that It's not working for me
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Same with me it was part of the reason i went to s-off. Hopefully sometime in the future the dev of the app can update it to fix the bugs.
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Same with me it was part of the reason i went to s-off. Hopefully sometime in the future the dev of the app can update it to fix the bugs.
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what about the other people that have got it working???...how come they didn't have to quit?
Maybe the AOKP ROM i'm using is bad (since the SD CARD and INTERNAL MEMORY labels are switched and it possibly is confusing the boot partition)...perhaps I should try installing the AOKP Rom on sense
Took me a few tries but I did this :
Use ext4
Use internal sd
Force screen on
Install from nandroid
For me it's actually easier to just restore nandroids if u wanna jump from one rom to another..
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Squirrel is right ot much easier to just make a nandroid and bounce back and forth..
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Took me a few tries but I did this :
Use ext4
Use internal sd
Force screen on
Install from nandroid
For me it's actually easier to just restore nandroids if u wanna jump from one rom to another..
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In AOKP the labels are switched..so use the bullet option "external SD" because the internal SD is labeled as the external.
INTERESTING: when I set boot manager to install to internal (i have to select "external) it STILL installs it to the sdcard but in a folder that says sdcard/sd-ext.
NOT to the actual internal memory. I will move that folder to the real internal memory when the install finishes and see if it will work. If not. I'm almost POSITIVE that the switched Internal Memory and SD card labels in AOKP are to blame...and it that's not the problem. boot manager can f$#k itself.
Edit: I fuking quit. I did everything and the install worked from a sense ROM.but it past the splash screen and hung at a black screen.
I'm such a whore for screencast and that 4.1 Sense camera..i'll stay with One xXx for a while (even though sense ROMS are against my grain)
Boot manager hasn't worked properly with aosp since the mount points were fixed in aosp. It's the way it differs from sense. Using emmc as internal unlike sense which It's mounted as sd card. You can use it to switch between sense roms all you want to but not aosp
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im not sure if this is one of the problems but i noticed when i tried to use it earlier that it asked if i was on the newest hboot (2.21) or an older one but we are actually on 2.27 so that could be messing with things
I used to use Boot Manager with 2.25 with no issues, and there isn't much difference between 2.25 and 2.27.
I'm in a very similar boat....I have a recent ota RUU and s-off and bootmanager actually installs for me (yay) but I never have data. EVER. Data never works for any slot roms, only for my phone rom. I hear this is because of AOKP vs sense. My phone rom is Viper rom, and I tried to put AOKP linario for my slot 1. It installs and boots fine but I dont have data. I also tried MIUI but again no data. However if I put them on my phone rom, I have data. I figured I put it on the phone rom, make a nand, put viper back as my phone rom, then nand restore MIUI or linario to a different slot ..... no go - still no data. I think I read here that at this point I can only user boot manager to switch between sense roms and not between aokp/sense.
If it's also true that they dropped support for it I will be extremely sad. I paid for an app that doesn't even work/have suppor then .......
I actually just pm'd both devs the other day. I'd have emailed but their email rejects anything saying "over quota" or something. And their forums give me a 500 http server error.
If you make and headway let me know because I'm lost too
Hey everyone!
I have run into a little snag with my Galaxy Note... I just rooted and flashed CWM Touch Recovery to it last night by following the thread listed here. I have a Canadian version of ICS on the Rogers network. So this evening, i decided to try to run a backup within CWM, and I ran into a small problem. As the backup ran, it went through a good majority of the process, then once it got about half way through the "data" portion of the backup, an error popped up telling me there was a problem with the backing up of the data. My question is, is it necessary for that portion to complete for the image to be viable? Is the data portion just my apps? And would the rest of the image still be ok, if i want to use it? Because if the image is still whole, minus the apps, i can live with that. I don't have a problem reinstalling everything.
CWM version is 5.5.0.4 and I am using Rogers stock ICS OTA updated ROM.
***Edit I got a back up done thru the "back up to internal sd card", instead of the "backup" option.
I held out using cwm for longer than most simply because I was used to it and have it on a number of other android devices....After finally making the jump to TWRP, I would highly recommend it.
It does basically the same job with a nice GUI...and it's super fast! Backups and flashing are a breeze.
Give it a try...you can always flash back...but you won't
If the backup had an error pop up I would not use that. Delete it and either a) try again or b) flash twrp and make your backup there. You can also give your backup a name with twrp. Quite a nice, understated feature.
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Ok, thanks guys. I managed to get it to do a backup with the second option in CWM. So once I start playing with things, I can go back if need be.
Kev
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CWM backup fails if you have more than 4gb of photos, music, video. You possibly reached that limit.
The pictures and music and such wasn't the issue. I guess it turned out my sd card was just a hair over the needed space availability. Thanks
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crutzulee said:
I held out using cwm for longer than most simply because I was used to it and have it on a number of other android devices....After finally making the jump to TWRP, I would highly recommend it.
It does basically the same job with a nice GUI...and it's super fast! Backups and flashing are a breeze.
Give it a try...you can always flash back...but you won't
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I had the exact same experience if I had known how TWRP worked I would never have even started using CWM