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im currently on CleanRom GBE 1.7.5 and its ok but i want something better maybe ICS but im not sure. i definitely want more battery life and speed. anyone have suggestions as to which rom i should flash?
Edit: stability would be nice
edward650 said:
im currently on CleanRom GBE 1.7.5 and its ok but i want something better maybe ICS but im not sure. i definitely want more battery life and speed. anyone have suggestions as to which rom i should flash?
Edit: stability would be nice
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IMHO, If you like CleanRom, stay on the one you have now til we get a new ICS leak and see if the kernel issues are fixed or test out the latest CleanRom that allows you to install without updating the firmware on the phone for now.
edward650 said:
im currently on CleanRom GBE 1.7.5 and its ok but i want something better maybe ICS but im not sure. i definitely want more battery life and speed. anyone have suggestions as to which rom i should flash?
Edit: stability would be nice
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I highly recommend rezrom 3.3, super fast, stable, and good battery life. Plus bored has a patch you can flash after so you dont have to update to the new firmware.
go with clean rom ICS its got plenty of tweaks and runs fast!
How long does it take to update the firmware? Is there a one click method or something easy like that and do I need to be connected to the internet? I only ask because the only I can connect is through my phone.
edward650 said:
How long does it take to update the firmware? Is there a one click method or something easy like that and do I need to be connected to the internet? I only ask because the only I can connect is through my phone.
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It's a zip file you install on the phone, the process is detailed here - http://www.scottsroms.com/showthread.php/856-HOW-TO-Prepare-for-CleanROM-4-x-Update
IMHO I wouldn't do this since there are work arounds in place now. Wait til the official update makes it's way out someday...
mjones73 said:
It's a zip file you install on the phone, the process is detailed here - http://www.scottsroms.com/showthread.php/856-HOW-TO-Prepare-for-CleanROM-4-x-Update
IMHO I wouldn't do this since there are work arounds in place now. Wait til the official update makes it's way out someday...
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^^This^^
CleanRom 4.3 using the old firmware patch. No need to upgrade the firmware right now.
But just be aware, the ICS roms have kernels that really suck the battery down when the screen is on. There's a bug that ramps up the CPU to 100% anytime the screen is on. It might be better to just stick with a GB based ROM for right now.
I tried the cleanrom ics it runs real smooth but reverted to my cleanrom BG.some apps that I like are not compatible with ics yet. My suggestion is to try it, without updating the firmware. Remember to make nandroid backup , but you'll have to run the nandroid helper to revert back to a GB Rom.
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If I do update the firmware is there a way to go back like sbf on droid x
edward650 said:
If I do update the firmware is there a way to go back like sbf on droid x
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No, at this time if you update the firmware you cannot revert back to the prior firmware. That is why the best method maybe for you to try an ICS Rom that has a patch that allows you to use that rom without the firmware upgrade. This way if you want to revert back ti Gingerbread you can.
Before making the jump up to ICS, have a play with Ineffabilis.
I'm running CleanROM Kang Tapped
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586500
It's running wonderfully right now.
I'm on old firmware and I flashed Joel's old firmware patch and have had smooth sailing so far.
thanks for all the replies maybe i can get to it this weekend
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^^This^^
CleanRom 4.3 using the old firmware patch. No need to upgrade the firmware right now.
But just be aware, the ICS roms have kernels that really suck the battery down when the screen is on. There's a bug that ramps up the CPU to 100% anytime the screen is on. It might be better to just stick with a GB based ROM for right now.
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Is this every ICS ROM? I am new to the Rezound, mine comes today, and that is a dealkiller. I think I will try CleanROM Kang Tapped, but any other suggestions?
I Am Marino said:
I'm running CleanROM Kang Tapped
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586500
It's running wonderfully right now.
I'm on old firmware and I flashed Joel's old firmware patch and have had smooth sailing so far.
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Can you link the firmware patch? I'm a noob Rezound owner, and I'm thinking I'm going to try CleanROM Kang Tapped like you suggested. I'm just collecting all the tidbits I might need to get started when the phone arrives
Thanks
xdadevnube said:
Is this every ICS ROM? I am new to the Rezound, mine comes today, and that is a dealkiller. I think I will try CleanROM Kang Tapped, but any other suggestions?
Can you link the firmware patch? I'm a noob Rezound owner, and I'm thinking I'm going to try CleanROM Kang Tapped like you suggested. I'm just collecting all the tidbits I might need to get started when the phone arrives
Thanks
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The old firmware patch should be in the ROM thread for the ROM you pick. Just check the first post and it should be referenced there.
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The old firmware patch should be in the ROM thread for the ROM you pick. Just check the first post and it should be referenced there.
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The CleanROM Kang Tapped version OP states that it uses the leaked firmware. I was curious what I Am Marino meant by applying an old firmware patch that allows him to keep the old firmware. If I'm correct, he can run newer GB ROMs with older firmware, and doesn't have to worry about running older GB ROMs that require older firmware since he still uses older firmware.
I suppose this may be a superceeded by S-Off, but until then if we flash the leaked firmware, there is no way to go back, right?
My goal is to have a reliable, bug-free, firmware/kernel/ROM combo.
Any thoughts?
Thanks for any info.
I'm pretty new to this phone if you can't tell.
I Am Marino said:
I'm running CleanROM Kang Tapped
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586500
It's running wonderfully right now.
I'm on old firmware and I flashed Joel's old firmware patch and have had smooth sailing so far.
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Is this the file you are referring to?
http://www.androidfilehost.com/main...c34b8d44b7e53b67010bBAMF-Oldfirmppl-patch.zip
I've tried most of the rezound roms listed in these forums. I personally like Rezrom and clean romantic, both gb and ics. Currently running cleanrom 4.2 on the new firmware but the latest version doesn't require it (neither does the latest release of Rezrom ics). Both are stable so the big difference is theming. I've noticed that most of the developers are focusing on ics so there haven't been updates to gb roms.
I just went from Cleanrom 1.7 to Nils Business ICS 4.0. Its only been a day since on it but so far I have 52% battery left after 12hrs with moderate use. I have no complaints with this set up and I am updated to the newest RUU leak. Even with the newest RUU I was able to still go back to GB 1.7 and run without issues as well.
If you use market apps for texts like Handcent or anything you will need to do the third party contacts fix so contact pics from facebook or other social networks show up, but if not then no worries.
Running CleanRom 4.3 using the stock kernel, no issues with speed or battery life.
I've been running MeanRom ICS. I wanted to give the sprint stock version a try. What's the best way to do this?
Thanks.
Oh, read the forums, I think about a gizzilion boot loops, problems, issue's
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Well since you can't update ota if you are rooted, just find a stock rooted rom and flash it just like any other rom. As you SHOULD know from reading, you can't run the new kernel without the new hboot, so update to that if you want to use the new kernel.
mtnbkr said:
I've been running MeanRom ICS. I wanted to give the sprint stock version a try. What's the best way to do this?
Thanks.
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The 2.4 version I do believe was based on the VM leak. His newest 2.6 version is based on the latest Sprint release, and works just great. I have been running it with no issues.
If you have S-off , you can upgrade the hboot and kernel to the latest. If not, you can leave the kernel and hboot you have and just flash the rom.
Just and idea.
Please bear with me, I'll readily admit that I'm a newb when it comes to flashing ROMs, etc. I rooted my TB with the all-in-one tool and loaded the ICS BAMF Leak. I presume this was essentially an RUU, since I didn't flash any separate radios or anything.
I'm looking for a different ICS ROM to flash, mostly due to the poor memory management on this build.
My question is this, and mainly for clarification- If I wipe/format everything except the SD card, I will have to FIRST flash the ROM, then flash the radio to get data working?
It was only a ROM, and radios don't come with roms but the ones you had when you rooted work with the leak.
To flash a new rom just do the same thing you did for the leak, i have never flashed a radio (except for testing the tool) in a year of having this phone.
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It was only a ROM, and radios don't come with roms but the ones you had when you rooted work with the leak.
To flash a new rom just do the same thing you did for the leak, i have never flashed a radio (except for testing the tool) in a year of having this phone.
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Well, that's interesting. I installed the NuSense rom based off the ICS leak, and had to install the leaked radios to get data back.
either way, i got the rom flashed and the radio flashed and working.
Thanks for the rooting tool, BTW
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Well, that's interesting. I installed the NuSense rom based off the ICS leak, and had to install the leaked radios to get data back.
either way, i got the rom flashed and the radio flashed and working.
Thanks for the rooting tool, BTW
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That is because santod modified the ril to work better with the leak radios. I get data just fine with the .19 radios.
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disconnecktie said:
That is because santod modified the ril to work better with the leak radios. I get data just fine with the .19 radios.
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Hi,
I got a second hand T-mobile Amaze 4G and since it's second hand, I don't have very accurate info regarding what the previous guy had done with it. I've been reading extensively the forums for past weeks since all this stuff was new to me and I'm better now but still have a few questions though.
What I want to achieve is to have a stable ICS ROM on my phone. If I understood correctly, as of now nightly build of Cyanogenmod and
Info regarding my phone:
A) Carrier is T-mobile.
B) Probably is S-on, I can be wrong.
C) Have no idea about it's SuperCID status.
D) It's recovery was "CWM-based Recovery v5.0.2.7" but I installed 4EXT Recovery Touch V.1.0.0.5 RC7 on it since I read most ROMs require this.
(That's all I can think off from what I read is required to know about one's phone, but if not, ask me and I'll do my best to reply)
My questions:
1- Since my phone's carrier is T-mobile, do I still have to s-off my phone if I want to install ICS on it?
2- If the previous question's answer is positive, do I have to run Juopunutbear under Ubuntu? I read unlimited.io's website and they suggested Ubuntu and removed Windows versions of Juopunutbear due to compatibility (and user trolls) but I see youtube tutorials on to do it under Windows. Is it advised to do it under Ubuntu? It's hard to download 700Mb and also work under Ubuntu for me.
3- Which ROM is better for me? I'm a game developer and just need a stable phone so I can test my game on it. I need SD card access when I mount the phone to my computer so I can easily deploy my games. I do like the stock ICS look of Cyanogenmod but apparently Revolution is more stable, right? I'm open to other alternatives, I just want a stable ROM and hopefully look of stock ICS.
4- I tried installing both of the Cyanogenmod and Revolution but after the installing them and restarting the phone, it gets stuck at htc logo. I've read that this can be due to s-on but I also read that T-mobile phones do not require those steps. So this is my main problem now.
Thank guys so much in advance.
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I put the the 4EXT recovery into SmartFlash mode and then flashed the Cyanogenmod again and after the install, it did not stuck at htc logo but when I unlock the phone, it freezes after 1-2 seconds and the auto restarts! :'(
This is a good thread to read through before you start flashing ROMs, since your phone is S-ON.
Make sure you enable smartflash in 4EXT
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096563
tube517 said:
This is a good thread to read through before you start flashing ROMs, since your phone is S-ON.
Make sure you enable smartflash in 4EXT
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096563
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Thanks for the reply. What's I believe is missing from that topic is that you need to upgrade the firmware. I think that's why my phone gets frozen after 1-2 seconds, amsearching for the firmware I have to upgrade.
Another question to my initial ones:
5- If I upgrade my firmware, will I be able to install GB ROMs again on it? Or do I have to downgrade my firmware in order to do so?
did you wipe completely before flashing the ROM? Wipe cache, dalvik cache and wipe data?
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did you wipe completely before flashing the ROM? Wipe cache, dalvik cache and wipe data?
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Yes, I run the Super Wipe script, "Super_Wipe_Amaze_4G.zip", so it does all that. I strongly believe my problem is that I didn't install the stock ICS ROM before installing Cyanogenmod and am downloading the latest one.
So I have two questions:
1) When I upgrade my firmware to ICS, how am I will be able to install GB ROMs again? Do I have to install older firmwares first?
2) Which ICS ROM has stock lookingness of ICS but with most features and stability?
Thanks.
Cm10 is a jellybean rom and wont work until your phone is already running ics. If youre on gb, install a stock tmobile ics ruu and then flash cm10. For stock look and performance id recommend the energy rom.
Also someone correct me if im wrong but youll have to soff to go back to gb
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Yes the problem WAS that I had to flash stock ICS RUU first then flash any ICS custom ROM over it. I now have a nice CryogenMod 10 on my device. It's not complete but I really love how it looks! Thanks to it's great devs.
It's not that stable and I see
And it lacks SD card drive mount which I used a lot, maybe I try to use AirDroid instead. Have to try it for a few days.
Hassaan.W said:
Cm10 is a jellybean rom and wont work until your phone is already running ics. If youre on gb, install a stock tmobile ics ruu and then flash cm10. For stock look and performance id recommend the energy rom.
Also someone correct me if im wrong but youll have to soff to go back to gb
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Thanks Hassan, what I meant by stock is not the sense look, I don't like it. What I meant is original ICS look that Nexus 7 has for example. The look that CryogenMod has. What I was asking is that is there any other ROM which looks like CryogenMod but is more stable and has more features?
And is there any comparison chart between current state of ICS ROMs? Which ones are good for daily usage?
And I still have my questions:
1) What should I do if I want to get back to GingerBreak ROMs? Should I have to install/flash GB RUU and then a custom GB ROM over it?
2) My WiFi signal is worse, like half of what is used to be, since I'm sitting next to my router, so do I have to run/flash anything to fix this?
And let me thank EXT4 Recovery's SmartFlash, I didn't need to s-off my device, which is tricky, needs Ubuntu to work fine, etc.
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Yes the problem WAS that I had to flash stock ICS RUU first then flash any ICS custom ROM over it. I now have a nice CryogenMod 10 on my device. It's not complete but I really love how it looks! Thanks to it's great devs.
It's not that stable and I see
And it lacks SD card drive mount which I used a lot, maybe I try to use AirDroid instead. Have to try it for a few days.
Thanks Hassan, what I meant by stock is not the sense look, I don't like it. What I meant is original ICS look that Nexus 7 has for example. The look that CryogenMod has. What I was asking is that is there any other ROM which looks like CryogenMod but is more stable and has more features?
And is there any comparison chart between current state of ICS ROMs? Which ones are good for daily usage?
And I still have my questions:
1) What should I do if I want to get back to GingerBreak ROMs? Should I have to install/flash GB RUU and then a custom GB ROM over it?
2) My WiFi signal is worse, like half of what is used to be, since I'm sitting next to my router, so do I have to run/flash anything to fix this?
And let me thank EXT4 Recovery's SmartFlash, I didn't need to s-off my device, which is tricky, needs Ubuntu to work fine, etc.
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I dont think were allowed to compare roms here. But for the look you like with features, there are several options. One is fourth bar infusion by craigtut. Another is the one im using which is jellybam. A personal favourite rom is the dark glass 0.3 pacman by josegaire. These are tge roms with a nexus look.. the wifi signal must have something to do with the rom. Try a different one and see if it improves.
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Also to go back to gingerbread you will have to S- off your device first.
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test84 said:
Success!
Yes the problem WAS that I had to flash stock ICS RUU first then flash any ICS custom ROM over it. I now have a nice CryogenMod 10 on my device. It's not complete but I really love how it looks! Thanks to it's great devs.
It's not that stable and I see
And it lacks SD card drive mount which I used a lot, maybe I try to use AirDroid instead. Have to try it for a few days.
Thanks Hassan, what I meant by stock is not the sense look, I don't like it. What I meant is original ICS look that Nexus 7 has for example. The look that CryogenMod has. What I was asking is that is there any other ROM which looks like CryogenMod but is more stable and has more features?
And is there any comparison chart between current state of ICS ROMs? Which ones are good for daily usage?
And I still have my questions:
1) What should I do if I want to get back to GingerBreak ROMs? Should I have to install/flash GB RUU and then a custom GB ROM over it?
2) My WiFi signal is worse, like half of what is used to be, since I'm sitting next to my router, so do I have to run/flash anything to fix this?
And let me thank EXT4 Recovery's SmartFlash, I didn't need to s-off my device, which is tricky, needs Ubuntu to work fine, etc.
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if your looking for stable roms which are fully functional with a good battery life and ICS stock looking i'd recommend Android Revolution HD 3.0.1 | ICS | High Quality & Performance | Best STOCK ROM or |Aug 6th| Energy™ -.¸¸.·´¯ ICS 4.0.3 Tweaks / Beats / Blue ¯´·.¸¸. - other roms are great aswell these are stock base so yea fully functional!! :good:
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if your looking for stable roms which are fully functional with a good battery life and ICS stock looking i'd recommend Android Revolution HD 3.0.1 | ICS | High Quality & Performance | Best STOCK ROM or |Aug 6th| Energy™ -.¸¸.·´¯ ICS 4.0.3 Tweaks / Beats / Blue ¯´·.¸¸. - other roms are great aswell these are stock base so yea fully functional!! :good:
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Thanks but both of them have the sense look but CyanogenMod has the Nexus look that I'm after but is not mature as the other two that you mentioned.
I also would appreciate if someone would answer my two questions I asked previously.
test84 said:
Thanks but both of them have the sense look but CyanogenMod has the Nexus look that I'm after but is not mature as the other two that you mentioned.
I also would appreciate if someone would answer my two questions I asked previously.
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well it's your choice and for the downgrade part thats the procedure just flash a GB ROM but never seen a post who downgrade their firmware version you can try if you want it wont hurt you..but if you want to go to stock flash the ics ruu it'll do the same thing and the wifi issue i'd say try flashing the [25.MAR.13] T-Mobile OTA 2.14.531.30 [STOCK] and then flash cyanogenMod if the problem still exist ask from the Cyanogen users whether is it a problem with the rom itself
test84 said:
Thanks but both of them have the sense look but CyanogenMod has the Nexus look that I'm after but is not mature as the other two that you mentioned.
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Since you are looking for a "Nexus look" the fourth bar ROM by craigtut aims for that.
ravike14 said:
well it's your choice and for the downgrade part thats the procedure just flash a GB ROM but never seen a post who downgrade their firmware version you can try if you want it wont hurt you..but if you want to go to stock flash the ics ruu it'll do the same thing and the wifi issue i'd say try flashing the [25.MAR.13] T-Mobile OTA 2.14.531.30 [STOCK] and then flash cyanogenMod if the problem still exist ask from the Cyanogen users whether is it a problem with the rom itself
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I actually did the very same thing, flashed the latest RUU which is 2.14.531.30 [STOCK] and then CM10 on it.
tube517 said:
Since you are looking for a "Nexus look" the fourth bar ROM by craigtut aims for that.
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Thanks. I think the only ROMs that have the Nexus look are CM and FourthBar, right? Is FourthBar more stable for daily use than CM10? I love CM but sudden lags and occasional bugs is irritating.
The fourth bar has no issues at all. There used to be an older version of it called fourth bar nexus that was even more stable with better battery life but i think it has been taken down. Fourth bar infusion is a great daily driver though.
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I'd suggest s-off then super cid then tmobile ics.. Telus is a Canadian carrier known for being major a##holes..
Running tmobile on my Canadian (wind mobile) amaze required Soff
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test84 said:
I actually did the very same thing, flashed the latest RUU which is 2.14.531.30 [STOCK] and then CM10 on it.
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why dont you just flash a stable ICS rom and flash a go launcher theme which looks like nexus?? solves all the problems right
Hassaan.W said:
The fourth bar has no issues at all. There used to be an older version of it called fourth bar nexus that was even more stable with better battery life but i think it has been taken down. Fourth bar infusion is a great daily driver though.
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Can you compare it to CM10? What are advantages and disadvantages between the two.
kazzxtrismus said:
I'd suggest s-off then super cid then tmobile ics.. Telus is a Canadian carrier known for being major a##holes..
Running tmobile on my Canadian (wind mobile) amaze required Soff
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My phone's carrier IS T-mobile! So ... ?
ravike14 said:
why dont you just flash a stable ICS rom and flash a go launcher theme which looks like nexus?? solves all the problems right
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I don't know what you meant by "stable ICS rom" but the latest ICS that T-mobile released has Sense UI but I want Nexus UI.
Your phone carrier is tmobile.. But.. The phone was not made for tmobile.. It was made for telus..
Telus would luck up a cockroach if they could derive a profit from even 1 customer.
You need super cid.. So you need to Soff first.
Then you can flash anything in the future
I've seen a big difference in problems between those who do Soff and those who don't.. I watch closely since I did my Soff.. It's worth it.
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I flashed this "RUBY_ICS_35_S_TMOUS_2.14.531.3_R2_Radio_1.14.550L. 17DC_30.78.550L.15_release_262141_signed.zip" (and then CM10 over it) so I think it's a T-mobile ROM, right?
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I flashed this "RUBY_ICS_35_S_TMOUS_2.14.531.3_R2_Radio_1.14.550L. 17DC_30.78.550L.15_release_262141_signed.zip" (and then CM10 over it) so I think it's a T-mobile ROM, right?
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By stable Rom I meant something like arhd or energy Rom or that infusion or something like that Rom (I didn't use it reason I can't remember tje name) then get a nexus ui theme from playstore....thing kazz said was since your s on you mite face weird issues when flashing roms and its good to be s off...
Okay so I've had the issue with sms on non sense 5 based roms before . I took the its to give it a shot and see if the new radio/firmware base would help. I'm still s-off, unlocked, supercid and have twrp. If I try and install any custom Rom it'll start then crash and say failed to write metadata. Is that due to it being the 4.4.2 firmware? And should I go back to 4.2.2 and try the New radio to see if sms works? Just curious cause I'd like to keep the 4.4.2 base if possible just wondering if anyone has had roms work
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Okay so I've had the issue with sms on non sense 5 based roms before . I took the its to give it a shot and see if the new radio/firmware base would help. I'm still s-off, unlocked, supercid and have twrp. If I try and install any custom Rom it'll start then crash and say failed to write metadata. Is that due to it being the 4.4.2 firmware? And should I go back to 4.2.2 and try the New radio to see if sms works? Just curious cause I'd like to keep the 4.4.2 base if possible just wondering if anyone has had roms work
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That error is due to using an old recovery that is not compatible with kitkat based rom installer scripts.
Update your recovery...
Okay I'm using the newest twrp beta right now.
So never mind. I must have not payed any attention when I reflashed recovery I put 2.6 not 2.7. Thank you though
donnieseech said:
So never mind. I must have not payed any attention when I reflashed recovery I put 2.6 not 2.7. Thank you though
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So does SMS work now on a nonsense ROM?
Haha of course not. Lol I wish we had a way to get it to work
Does anyone have an idea. I'd love to run viper 3.5 it ran amazing and save with the nusense roms. But no sms I can't do
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So does SMS work now on a nonsense ROM?
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No. If you currently have that issue (like I do) updating to 4.09 does not fix it. At least for the Sense 6 rom I tested after updating. I haven't tested any of the custom 4.4.2 Sense 5.5 roms yet.
Yeah same here. I'm gonna try 5.5 ones today and report back