Hi all,
I love the Sony Tablet except its battery life. for something that is so huge compared to the others similar products out there, I am sure that they could have squeezed a bigger battery into the unit.
The power capacity is pretty weak. Let's hope that Sony offers a higher capacity battery size. I would gladly pay to upgrade it.
That's weird, my battery life is fantastic. If I play games on it all day it'll last 8-12 hours, but if I just use it intermittently and moderately it'll easily last me a couple of days. On standby it only uses a couple percent a day if that!
I'm the same as unclespoon. Even during heavy use, I get about 9 hours, which is way better than my old Galaxy Tab could ever muster. Standby usage is crazy low, its fantastic!
Not sure what you mean either about being larger than most other devices. The Tablet's 9.4" screen is smaller than almost any other full-size Tab out there (including the iPad) and since the back curves, theres not actually a lot of usable rear space (look at how thin its getting at the thin end, now imagine trying to fit a battery in there!)
I'm not sure you'll find a Tab out there currently with a better combo of size/battery life. The chunkier Toshiba Thrive will last longer, the thinner Galaxy Tab's will last even less, and my Tablet S always outlasts my iPad, so it might just be your device. Try checking Settings -> About -> Battery Use
I'm of the same opinion as the op. My tablet s has dreadful battery life and especially when it isn't doing anything. (50% usage is system standby) my old galaxy 7 was far far better (charged about once a week)
I believe this may just be because it is new (only have 1 full charge) as my galaxy s2 was initially unimpressive and then lasted 3 days of moderate use without charge. Hoping the same will happen to my s1.
Time will tell
My only guess was that you did a shoddy job of conditioning the battery. My old Galaxy Tab (the first 7" one) was hopeless, but when I replaced it, I conditioned the battery better and it was a bit better.
My Tablet S lasts for days and days and the standby usage is tiny. Check whats using your battery in the Battery Use screen and get back to us, we might be able to help..
I noticed advanced wifi lock was causing massive amounts of wakelocks (8 hours out of 10 according to the stats in settings/about).
betterbatterystats is not available via market but I am trying out the XDA APK now
wintermute000 said:
I noticed advanced wifi lock was causing massive amounts of wakelocks (8 hours out of 10 according to the stats in settings/about).
betterbatterystats is not available via market but I am trying out the XDA APK now
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I noticed that as well. If you have Advanced WiFi lock activated the tablet won't go into deep sleep mode, there of massive battery usage. I still have Advanced WiFi lock on my tablet, but only activate it when I need to download/update something that takes time. Otherwise I turn it off. It's not worth the battry drain.
Wow. Your battery life are fantastic. 9 hours? That's huge. I have not used my Sony Tablet till flat but given the rate of battery loss think maybe the most is about 5 hours which is similar to what many reviewers are saying.
Just can't imagine that those reviewers are so far out of the ball park compared to you guys. I am using juice defender Beta. Not to sure if its helping or not. But at least if I not using WiFi it shuts it off automatically.
My battery used to drain badly during standby. I found that the Friend Stream service was preventing the tab from sleeping. Killed the service a while ago and battery has been fantastic since. Pushed it to 3 days with light use. About 3 hrs of browsing and facebook. My battery level is at 68%, been off power for 20h40 mins, and used for about 4hrs today - facebooking, Internet browsing. Note that no specific conditioning was performed.
What are the settings that you have on your Tablet? Auto brightness, background sync turned off ?
how did you stop friendstream, and what the heck is it, did you just kill the process and it stayed dead? (sometimes as u know u kill process but it will come back).
Good question. What is the Android software revision now. My is Android 3.2.1 (revision 2)
I acutally just uninstalled the crap-app. nothing I use anyway. It is an app for facebook, twitter and other social networks. So just get rid of it. Uninstall and be happy
my bad. I confused the HTC name and Sony name.
Social Feed Reader was misbehaving. Once started it kept running... rather than dropping off to sleep (and into Cached Apps).
Something wasn't right so I force stopped it and it stayed dead.
An additional note - the Setup, Applications, Running Applications feature isn't 100%. Some background apps aren't displaying as running or Cached. Go figure.
So any special method to stop the social feed reader?
I'm getting those kinds of numbers on mostly auto brightness (and sometimes lower, at night), with background sync turned on, WiFi sleep policy set to default, and no battery monitoring or saving apps running. The only thing I did was single initial conditioning cycle and since then its been great.
Also note that software-decoded video files will take a lot more of your battery than the equivalent properly encoded file. I havent had any trouble with Social Feed Reader, but I never even set it up and judging by the many stories around here, I would uninstall it if you're worried about battery..
asayanna said:
My battery used to drain badly during standby. I found that the Friend Stream service was preventing the tab from sleeping. Killed the service a while ago and battery has been fantastic since. Pushed it to 3 days with light use. About 3 hrs of browsing and facebook. My battery level is at 68%, been off power for 20h40 mins, and used for about 4hrs today - facebooking, Internet browsing. Note that no specific conditioning was performed.
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good to know, thanks for sharing.
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I'm getting those kinds of numbers on mostly auto brightness (and sometimes lower, at night), with background sync turned on, WiFi sleep policy set to default, and no battery monitoring or saving apps running. The only thing I did was single initial conditioning cycle and since then its been great.
Also note that software-decoded video files will take a lot more of your battery than the equivalent properly encoded file. I havent had any trouble with Social Feed Reader, but I never even set it up and judging by the many stories around here, I would uninstall it if you're worried about battery..
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Hi, that's good to know. Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately think I screwed up the initial conditioning. so I guess I will have to live with the 5 hour battery of my Tablet.
Btw how do you do battery conditioning?
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So any special method to stop the social feed reader?
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In Setup, Applications, Running Services have a look at the awake time (listed on the right side) of the running processes. You'll note that system processes (the ones with the Android icon) have been awake since last boot.... but you might finds others that are as well. I noted Social Feed Reader showing high awake time and decided to nuke it. Simply click the offending app. You'll be given the option to stop the app... which is what I did. It's an app so doesn't restart once killed. Hope that helps...
Final thought: at the top right of the screen there's a 'Show cached processes' option.
The could be an offending app in there. Kill any installed app you suspect might be a problem and see if that helps.
my battery life is excellent.
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So I started a new thread cos its kind of different to my other one. The last little niggle with my Prime seems to be the battery. I read the instructions for once and it said to charge it all up. So i charged it till it was green and then powered it up for the first time. So as the instructions say i need to break the battery in. At the moment i am getting about 5-6 hours. The pad is on balanced with auto brightness. Does this seem normal for new battery. I would hope to end up with 9-10 or are my expeditions too high?
From what I remember the instructions stated that for the first time you should leave the prime charging for 6 to 8 hours. I personally didn't follow this and I'm still getting pretty good battery life. My advice is to let the battery drain out and charge it to full again and leave it connected for at least a couple of hours. The battery should calibrate itself through a couple of charge/discharge cycles and get better over time. Forgot to add, I have my wifi set to turn off when screen goes off.
If you're on firmware .21 it may be due to wifi. Check your battery stats. I have great battery life but as soon as i turn wifi on and use it battery goes down waaay fast.
I hope the new firmware thats coming adresses that, because before .21 that wasnt the case.
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So I started a new thread cos its kind of different to my other one. The last little niggle with my Prime seems to be the battery. I read the instructions for once and it said to charge it all up. So i charged it till it was green and then powered it up for the first time. So as the instructions say i need to break the battery in. At the moment i am getting about 5-6 hours. The pad is on balanced with auto brightness. Does this seem normal for new battery. I would hope to end up with 9-10 or are my expeditions too high?
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Lol i was too eager and only charged my prime until it reached 100% at a mall. But i still have great batterdy life
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People that didn't fully charge it up the first time for 6-8 hours, exactly what kind of life are you getting and could you please explain what things you are doing on it. I didn't charge it fully and it accidentally got turned on during its first charge.
Thanks,
If you are on .21 don't expect the battery to be near 8hrs while on wi-fi surfing/video/screen on/etc. I had it on .15 for 2-3 days while deciding if I wanted to root or not and it was near 8hrs wi-fi on. I'm also hoping for the next update to fix whatever they implemented in .21 that's causing a significant amount of drain.
I am on 4.0.3, is that the right one
Sorry, wi-fi is .22
Thr charging over night for 10 hours or whatever is nowadays just a Myth that came from the old NiCd batteries (It was true back in the day), new LiPo / NiMh batteries have no Memory Effect and the first charge is nowhere near as important as with old ones.
In fact is actually better not to stress the battery doing full discharges / charges cycles.
These batteries get to their full capacity after about 10 charging cycles.
So if you didnt not charge X hours for the first time, dont worry, yout battery ill work fine.
The only thing that should be pointed out is that if you use very often your battery, every 2 - 3 months is recommended to let the battery discharge to 0% and charge while off to 100%. If you dont use the battery often (always connected) then is better once every month. Thats to keep the internal chip from the battery calibrated.
Well atm i am draining it down to <10% then charging. Is it ok for these modern batteries to be left on charging past 100%?
Battery life still seems pretty poor after 3 0-100 ish charges. 1-2% seems to last less than 5 minutes when on the net on balanced mode and screen brightness mostly down.
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Well atm i am draining it down to <10% then charging. Is it ok for these modern batteries to be left on charging past 100%?
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Yes, once the batteries are at 100% they stop charging. You can have them 100000 hours connected.. and they wont go past 100%.
im on .21 and i get great battery life. i never cut my wifi off. its on 24/7. battery drainage will more so be dependent on display brightness and what you are doing. wifi is already a known, wifi on any device drains battery at a faster rate than wifi off. it takes power to make wifi work ya know..lol i can easily get 9-10hrs. + with my brightness set to less than 25% & wifi on all the time.
also the two biggest drainers, as far as programs go, is gaming and web surfing. especially web surfing and especially while using flash. since web browsing is very ram intensive. I've noticed some browsers drain battery faster than other. Meaning some browsers are more optimized than others when it comes to power consumption. This shouldn't be nothing new. Everyone's battery drainage will be different because people use their device in different ways.
we have an update about to hit us any moment or day now so don't get too stuck on battery drainage on .21. it'll be time to test how it is on newer firmware.
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also the two biggest drainers, as far as programs go, is gaming and web surfing. especially web surfing and especially while using flash. since web browsing is very ram intensive.
we have an update about to hit us any moment or day now so don't get too stuck on battery drainage on .21. it'll be time to test how it is on newer firmware.
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Web surfing and gaming and WiFi are 3 major things in this tablet, what should we use it for then??
here are some battery saving tips!
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Web surfing and gaming and WiFi are 3 major things in this tablet, what should we use it for then??
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That's what I'm saying. Everyone web browsing and gaming is different. Some web pages people visit might be loaded with flash content vs. Someone who visits a site with less flash content. The one with the loaded flash content will drain or use more battery than the other one. Same with gaming. I might like to play Dead Space or Shadowgun and you like to play hang man or some other simple game. The battery will drain faster with me playing the 3d graphic intensive games vs. The person who is playing simple or less graphical intense games.
Wifi is a must have and no way around that if you want to web surf. The amount of screen brightness, 3D gaming, and web surfing will influence how fast your battery drains. Wifi drains battery but not at a faster rate than those other things listed.
I think some people here expect to have brightness up to the Max with super ips+ on, gaming and web surfing all day and expect to get 10+ hours out of it. Lol. Its not happening. There are easily things you can check for and change to make you have better battery life. -
-First one being not to use auto brightness and don't have brightness higher than 25%. That's if you so concerned about making the battery last long.
-Second thing you can do is go into settings and change screen off display settings. I have mines set to 30 or even 15 secs. That means once 15 secs. Or 30 secs. Pass and I haven't touched the screen, the screen will cut off. That's a huge battery saver right there. Because my screen isn't on as long when its not in use.
-Third would be to go into settings and lower the frequency of sync settings. I don't need my email syncing every 5mins. Or my Facebook syncing every 5 mins or etc.. cut them down to maybe every hrs, or every 12 hours, or once a day. The best would be to sync when you open up the app instead of it doing it automatically in the background. Completely cut off sync to apps you never use. Constantly having things sync in the background is a major battery drainer when the screen is on or even while device is sleeping. If you put device to sleep and its always waking up to sync data, don't be surprised if battery drains at a faster rate during sleep or when device is awake.
-Fourth, cut of unneccessary sounds. Do you really need the keyboard or screen presses to make a sound when you press it? If so, don't be surprised your battery draining faster.
-Fifth, cut off that stupid vibration motor. Do you really need your tablet to vibrate when ever you press something on the screen or keyboard? Do you really need it to vibrate when your gaming? If so, don't be surprised your battery is draining faster then. Because everytime that vibrate motor goes off, it drains battery.
SIXTH, you can go into settings and have wifi cut off when device is asleep. Or you can go into Asus customized settings and have it cut off network activities when the screen is off or device is asleep.
All very easy steps people can take. Same thing as in saving gas in a car. There's things you can do or not do to make it last longer.
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So I started a new thread cos its kind of different to my other one. The last little niggle with my Prime seems to be the battery. I read the instructions for once and it said to charge it all up. So i charged it till it was green and then powered it up for the first time. So as the instructions say i need to break the battery in. At the moment i am getting about 5-6 hours. The pad is on balanced with auto brightness. Does this seem normal for new battery. I would hope to end up with 9-10 or are my expeditions too high?
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Its Def the firmware Asus should fix it soon hopefully
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It does seem to be getting better though. I have had it on for over a day now and it is at 50%. Probably had a good 3ish hours of actual use. During the breaking in of the battery stage is it better to let it drain then fully charge or charge whenever I can?
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im on .21 and i get great battery life. i never cut my wifi off. its on 24/7. battery drainage will more so be dependent on display brightness and what you are doing. wifi is already a known, wifi on any device drains battery at a faster rate than wifi off. it takes power to make wifi work ya know..lol i can easily get 9-10hrs. + with my brightness set to less than 25% & wifi on all the time.
also the two biggest drainers, as far as programs go, is gaming and web surfing. especially web surfing and especially while using flash. since web browsing is very ram intensive. I've noticed some browsers drain battery faster than other. Meaning some browsers are more optimized than others when it comes to power consumption. This shouldn't be nothing new. Everyone's battery drainage will be different because people use their device in different ways.
we have an update about to hit us any moment or day now so don't get too stuck on battery drainage on .21. it'll be time to test how it is on newer firmware.
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Well hopefully after a few charges I will make my way unto that region, I think it has climbed though to a closer to 6-6.5.
I get about 7 hours of battery everyday through medium usage and my battery drains quite a lot when I am revising and listening to music. I have a 1900 battery instead of the stock 1650 and it does improve battery life but is there anything else I can do? I find it a bit stupid that my battery drains so much when I'm just listening to music!
I am running CM9.
Whats the signal strength like in your area? Aside from the screen (put screen brightness down), 3g seems to drain my battery most in weak signal areas, where the signal bars are continuously on 1 or 0. I put my 3g / data off and my phone can easily go hours before any drop in battery percentage, I got 4 days battery life with 3g off using it sparingly or wifi when i could to check my emails. Only other thing i did was calls and texts, but that was just as a test.
But i like to keep data on, and gps, all the time. I often get 4 hours screen time and approx 24 hours battery life with my 2000mAh Samsung battery.
Aside from that, last time i checked cm9 was a battery drain, may have moved on a bit.
the only real way you can save battery "during use" is with some restraint. Ie turn brightness down if screen is on, listen at lower volumes if it's playing music. The more voltage it's using the faster it drains. So less brightness or volume output = less power used.
7 hours is around the average use for battery life savy users around here. Even with the extended battery I'd say your right about on the money for battery use (based on what I assume you do and don't know at this stage). But there is certainly room for improvement .
Now before I go on, you probably won't notice any significant difference to battery life during use from these steps. My only hope is that in-between use it'll save more power, and squeeze out a bit more usage time for you.
First/easiest thing would be go to check if it's sleeping properly. Just don't use it for say an hour, then go to the battery monitor in settings. Check the screen on and awake times, they should be almost idenical. If there are several awake records in between screen on's, then you have a problem.
If you use sounds like unlock sounds etc, go turn them all off.. this was/pretty sure still is an issue in CM9 (causes audio_out1 to continuously wake up the phone from deep sleep and drains the battery like a mofo). Also getting rid of facebook (if it's installed) will help.. it loves waking the phone for no obvious reason.. even with every form of sync, background data, and mobile data in general turned off .
^^ you don't have to do that step but I'm pretty confident you'd have to anyway, so it's just easier to do it straight up. Then you can look for other problems.
Next, install "better battery stats". If you like to support developers, you can quickly buy it off the market. Otherwise it's free here if you search for the official thread.
Reboot your phone, then leave you phone for an hour or two, then check out whats happening in better battery stats. I'm not going to pretend I unerstand what half of the stuff it bangs on about is, but I digress. Select "since charged" and then check each different tabs of data (partial wakelocks, kernel wakelocks etc). You are really just looking for anything that stands out as a red bar basically. small amounts aren't a real worry/bound to happen. If it's bigger than say 1cm long, it's probably an issue. Then it's up to you to find out what the app/process is doing the damage . So either google or the better battery stats thread will be your friend at that stage. It was obvious what is was for me cause it said facebook but you might have a different experience.
Hope that helps. But the only way that's going to make a real dent would be trying to use it less.. lol.
Oh and if possible, turning on airplane mode would save a bit of battery in use. And of course the obvious ones like turn of wifi, gps, bluetooth, data, auto sync, soft key backlight and anything else you can turn off
Just do it what i say .. Download the full version of app. called juice defender from play store..install it and then see the magic by yourself ..i have been using the same ..it almost double up the battery backup through its advance settings.
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Hey, so I've seen several people claiming fantastic battery life, etc. So, I am just wondering what's your experience in general. If you've got some free time and feel like typing, can you list several things like:
roms & kernel
stock/anker battery
battery life
screen time (and possibly voice call time or whatever else that seems to consume lots of the battery life)
highest battery temperature (I recently got pretty high so I was kind of worried)
and anything else you think might worth sharing (favorite actress? :silly
As for me, I recently installed Speed ROM 6.5 with stock kernel on stock battery
I only got 8 hours battery life to get to 14% with 3 hours of screen time (mostly used for game, browsing, and flipboard)
I got up to 100F (~40.5C) after playing a game for about 15-20 mins which made me leave it for a few mins to cool down. The next time I played the game again, it got up to 109F (~43.5C) after playing for 20-30 mins....
I am wondering whether that kind of high temperature is normal or not, and whether my battery life seems ok or bad; which is why I am hoping people can share their experience here. I haven't try using faux kernel though (might try it tomorrow in hope for a better batter life)....
So, again... if anyone got free time and feel like typing, please share it with me :angel:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Spastic909 said:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Well, first off, I am not trying to complain about the phone here. All I am asking/trying to find out is whether my experience is "normal" or not for Amaze.
I also come from G2 and obviously the battery life will be worse on the Amaze in general. This phone is 1.5ghz dual core and 4.3" display compared to 800mhz single core and 3.7" display on g2 with only extra ~300mah on the amaze.
I just want to know if my experience of getting only 8 hours battery life (with 3 hours of screen time consist of game and browsing) and getting a high temperature of 109F on the battery is considered "normal" or not for this particular phone. I only have one phone here; so, I don't know if my unit is bad unit or if it is normal for the Amaze.
So again, by all means, I am not trying to complain about this amazing phone here. I am just trying to find out if this is what normally happen with this phone.
And yeah I'm one of those guys that can never be happy :silly:. When I used G2, I want larger phone and faster performance. When I got Amaze, I want slightly larger screen and much better battery performance. So, yeah I can never be happy with my phone :laugh:
The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
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My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
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Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
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# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
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I guess this phone is just that "hot" eh....
So, you're saying that I should be able to get a better battery life than that?
By the way, did you use Juice Defender or anything like that? Or did you just let your mobile network and wifi on all the time?
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My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
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It hasn't exploded yet?!?! You can use your battery to heat up your room in winter :silly:
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@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
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Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
Code:
# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
I think there is a difference between:
1. leaving the screen on for a while, causing the phone and battery to get hot. Specially when gaming because CPU is constantly running.
2. And total screen on time accumulated of 2-4 hrs screen on. Which is achieved when sporadically checking phone for text, calls, email, quick surfing. Then shutting of screen through out the day.CPU goes to deep sleep phone stays cool.
Now that's what I call a heavy user.
Remember when phone is hot battery drains faster so you need to find a way to cool it down. Sometimes there are settings in cpu apps that when phone reaches certain temperature that app will force cpu clock down a lot as to use less power to start cooling down but causing lag.
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda premium
shuvarts said:
Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
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Battery Current Widget... go to the options (top right), change the current selection(should be first row, then middle row) to "HTC Sensation" (it'll be more accurate)
that program doesn't accurately report mA if you don't change it(before changing, it'll be screen-off deep sleep 100mAh, but after switching, 10-40mAh)
I don't have Juice Defender on... autosync and data is on all the time
try w/o wifi on... i think wifi should take less battery power than data, but it always depends
on my screenshot, if you go back one and click on the screen-on... what does it say?
what does CPU Spy say about your phone going to deep sleep?
fcpelayo said:
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
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Maybe you should try to mod the Atrix Lapdock... if it works, you get a larger screen and a 35W battery
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
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if you are only getting 8 hours uptime with 1-2 hours of usage, then your phone's not going to sleep properly... I'd reflash the RUU, then flash Energy ROM and faux kernel... i had that problem before I reflashed RUU (but that was before I knew more about CPU states and mAh usage on this phone, so I don't know if it was a problem with the deep sleep, or the phone not properly updated to ICS when I got it from someone else)
you want to try to max battery life? I can give you hints to hit that mark... it's all about physics/electronics
your battery is 1900mAh.... Using Battery Monitor Widget(with the Settings changed to detect the phone as "HTC Sensation", see above)
With the tweaks in my first post of the build.prop, BMW shows my idle around 10-40mAh..... 10 hours of idle = 100-400mAh. Note, this is with sync and data on... if you use Juice Defender or data off, probably less
So, idle, you use up 400mAh... you have 1500mAh left
1500mAh / 6 hours = 250mAh each hour.... with BWM, it shows that the current usage goes between 100-500mAh depending on how much screen brightness, data used, processor speed... If i choose powersave, I think it goes between 50-300mAh, but its really laggy, noticeable
300mAh * 6 hours = 1800... close enough
to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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idaggerpwn said:
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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unfortunately, for this device, the screen brightness and dual-cpu takes up a lot of power... if you see the pic below, when you use your phone(screen-on/awake), the battery % left has a sharp drop
I know for my old phone, LG Optimus T, I didn't have a data plan... the phone had data off all the time, and I got days out of using it(phone calls, wifi/browsing, checking gmaps offline)... once I enabled a data plan, it got half (like 1.5 days instead of 4)
if you calculate your usage... its possible
24 hours * 50mAh during idle = 1200 mAh
2 hours * 300mAh/hour during screen-on usage = 600mAh
total = 1800mAh, the capacity of your battery
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to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
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So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
icepixie said:
So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
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bump charging only helps you for that one time... you have to do this every time if you want max battery capacity
the problem is 2 things
1) the hardware/software is configured to maximize battery lifespan, meaning to slowly charge it and not go to 100% (high voltage, damages battery)...
2) the hardware/software is poorly coded, can't read the battery voltage properly...
either way, doing this means you are forcing current into the battery every time... your battery will hold less charge in a few months if you force it to full everytime... so you have to get a new battery aftera couple of months or live with lower capacity
I will just try to observe it better tomorrow using all those apps. With much less usage (1.5 hrs of screen time), i only got 11hrs of battery life. The screenshot below is for those 1.5hrs f screen time... I dont use jd and got email sync every 1 or 2 hr though....
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
paperWastage said:
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
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I guess after using all those apps that you mention, I can kind of see that Amaze battery is just way worse than my G2. I was pampered with my G2 battery life for a week and now I realized how bad Amaze battery is. lol
I got 11% left after 12h 15min. That's about 1550mA used (I use stock battery).
almost 3 hours of screen time (3*350) = about 1050mA
25 mins of phone call = ~120 mA
about 8h 45 mins of idle = 360mA
So, yeah, it summed up about right this time (more accurate compared to my first result where I think I got a rogue app)...
**I am eagerly patiently excitedly waiting for a fully working stable CM9 by sport :angel: **
On a side note, just wondering if anyone know if galaxy s2 have better, worse, or about same battery life? I am just curious since s2 is supposed to be amaze rival at t-mob....
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
broker32 said:
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
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Whoa... I suppose there is someone out there with similar condition with mine... I almost thought I am the only one
Silentbtdeadly said:
Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
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Good to know that. I used a different app to check the current mah and it seems reasonable. I forgot to use better battery stat; but, based on cpu spy, the deep sleep time seems about right... I haven't updated my kernel to v17 (still on v15) and haven't done any edit that you mention since I was still switching roms to find the ROM that suits my need. I might try to do those stuffs today and hope for the best.
And btw, I am kinda jealous with your battery life... 45% left after 15 hours unplugged and 3 hours screen ON
I might get similar result; but my battery left will be 10% and those screen on are mostly on flipboard, xda, and browsing....
Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
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Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
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Just checked my usage. I'm sorta similar to yours in terms of screen on time. 11 h 43 m since unplugged, 39 min screen on (facebook, news, texts) and I'm down to 62%. My screen on time isnt that high, yet something else is draining my battery.
Awake time is 1 h 44m. Lots of Alarm Manager partial wakelocks. need to figure out what's causing those