Well I caught a break with the Rezound deal, I'm free from evil Motorola ~ droid X2
Is this a proper Rezound understanding?
1) The process is: htcdev-[unlock bootloader]
2) Use a perm root "application"
3) Install 1 of the 2 recovery modes
4) Pick a Rom ~ (do you need to be on a specific stock version first?)
From lots of searching, Cleanrom's ICS developer edition and Bamf (I'm not sure what version of it is better) appear to be the most reasonable choices?
I'm not sure if either of them have the "beats" tweak, or if the Bravia engine is a big improvement. Also, the custom kernels don't work with ICS right now I believe?
Finally, coming from Moto SBF, I don't realize how dangerous romming is with HTC, aka safety net.
I'd GREATLY appreciate any help/comments on the speculations and questions <3
Watercycle said:
Well I caught a break with the Rezound deal, I'm free from evil Motorola ~ droid X2
Is this a proper Rezound understanding?
1) The process is: htcdev-[unlock bootloader]
2) Use a perm root "application"
3) Install 1 of the 2 recovery modes
4) Pick a Rom ~ (do you need to be on a specific stock version first?)
From lots of searching, Cleanrom's ICS developer edition and Bamf (I'm not sure what version of it is better) appear to be the most reasonable choices?
I'm not sure if either of them have the "beats" tweak, or if the Bravia engine is a big improvement. Also, the custom kernels don't work with ICS right now I believe?
Finally, coming from Moto SBF, I don't realize how dangerous romming is with HTC, aka safety net.
I'd GREATLY appreciate any help/comments on the speculations and questions <3
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You don't need to permanent root it. Most (if not all) ROMS include root, and you can install root with Amon ra (DON'T use clockwork mod)
Cleanrom de is great. I use that one. I believe it has the beats Audio, but if it doesn't there is a flash able mod for it (link in my sig). And as far as the Sony bravia engine goes, I didn't notice any real improvement with it.
Custom kernels don't work in ICS for now....
Whatever you do DON'T upgrade to the ICS RUU it screws up most people's phones
And it is not possible to brick an s-on htc phone as far as I know. So romming is 120% safe
I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
dyetheskin said:
I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
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Well I have worse signal since the update, my wifi constantly dropps out, and my CPU is always running at max clock speed making my phone hot and my battery life crap. Some other people have this issue, so best not to try than to try and have bad results not being able to go back.
AshtonTS said:
Well I have worse signal since the update, my wifi constantly dropps out, and my CPU is always running at max clock speed making my phone hot and my battery life crap. Some other people have this issue, so best not to try than to try and have bad results not being able to go back.
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radio can only effect phone related issues as low signal/bad reception. the new firmware wont effect wifi. cpu trouble is due to stock kernel of ics. not firmware related. need your facts right. I'm on new firmware with cleanrom de for awhile now with none of your issues since I use the conservative cpu governor and underclock to 1.18ghz. if the firmware would effect anything for me or anyone who upgraded is the low signal,bad reception,slow mobile data rates. that's it. it's hit or miss with phone related connections. just a gambling risk. won't actually cause harm. won't notice a thing if you're close to towers
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
dyetheskin said:
I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
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You need to flash the patch after the rom install if running the old firmware.
1. HTC Dev Unlock
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/
2. Recovery
Install amon ra in fastboot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23781936&postcount=428
download that from there then get to fastboot and type
fastboot flash recovery "nameofrecovery".img
in the command line in where your fastboot stuff is
3. ROM
Probably don't use the newest unofficial ruu
a.So find a rom you like
b. make sure it will work without the newest ruu (firmware) or will with a patch
c. Flash the rom in recovery
4. KERNEL
depends on the rom either
a. flash the boot.img in fastboot
"fastboot flash boot boot.img"
b. install the PH98IMG.zip in the bootloader
- deleted the ph98img.zip off the sd card after you flash it to avoid later problems
Hope i helped!!
EDIT: heres a rom that is oldish but i know it works on the old firmware without any patch.
ROM : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53731771/ICSSENSELESS403REDEFINED.zip
-it's by Joelz and a senseless pretty good - thanks Joelz
Kernel for that ^ rom http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53731771/PH98IMG-senseless1.7.zip
I think that kernel is over clocked a bit too.
so to recap you would put the rom on your ext sd card and flash in recovery
then rename the ph98img-senselsblahblah.zip to just ph98img.zip
place on ext sd card
then boot into bootloader and accept the update and it will load the kernel for you.
Then reboot and delete the ph98img from your sd with a file explorer
To boot into bootloader is turn off phone then hold volume down and power at the same time untill your in a white screen with some stuff.
Navigate with the volume to go up or down and power to select.
.... thats a lot of info ... again thanks to all the dev's (mandatory to thank the devs at least 1 bajillion times a day, for all the free awesome stuff they do)
Edit numero dos: The safety net for htc phones are the ruu's just stay on the official released ones.
A RUU resets EVERYTHING to stock, it's a .exe that you run on your computer while in fastboot mode on the phone (must re-lock bootloader to run/ "fastboot oem lock")
dyetheskin said:
radio can only effect phone related issues as low signal/bad reception. the new firmware wont effect wifi. cpu trouble is due to stock kernel of ics. not firmware related. need your facts right. I'm on new firmware with cleanrom de for awhile now with none of your issues since I use the conservative cpu governor and underclock to 1.18ghz. if the firmware would effect anything for me or anyone who upgraded is the low signal,bad reception,slow mobile data rates. that's it. it's hit or miss with phone related connections. just a gambling risk. won't actually cause harm. won't notice a thing if you're close to towers
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
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Just throwing my experience out there so this guy doesn't have the same problems I did. And I'm not the only one who has problems with this firmware. And the CPU frequencies don't scale properly for some users, which is why I get bad battery life even though I have the CPU underclocked to 810mhz. And I'm well aware that it has todo with the kernel but for now we can't do anything about it. Need your facts right
I'm on the new firmware and haven't had any problems, though others have. Most of the current ICS roms now have a patch so you don't have to risk it. There are both GB and ICS kernals available that allow you to overclock, etc. Just make sure you're installing the correct kernal for your version of android. I've flashed most of the roms available right now and have been very happy with Cleanrom and Rezrom.
I recommend CleanRom DE I'd you like senseless. Been running it since the latest of his updates. Runs like a champ, and there are even some themes available.
Sent with a Rezounding HELL YEA!
So I can use a Temp-root and not even bother unlocking the bootloader?
and what about reflashing different roms ontop of a current custom rom?
Watercycle said:
So I can use a Temp-root and not even bother unlocking the bootloader?
and what about reflashing different roms ontop of a current custom rom?
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Don't temp root. Definitely use the htc unlock. And what do you mean by flash a rom on top of a custom rom exactly?
can't flash one over the other aka dirty unless it's an update to the same rom. example would be cleanrom 1.2 over 1.1. it's possible but not supported. always best to wipe and install fresh after a backup
Well, as I understand, I should update my phone with system updates, htc unlock, use oneclickroot/zergrush, install amonra recovery, and just flash/follow the steps from cleanrom ~ the all in one seems like it could help, i'll probably try the sequence on there XD
But then what if I wanted to switch over to the Evita one to give it a try?
The "s on/off" thing confuses me to, is that the bootloader?
haha, sorry for the questions, thank you for help =)
Watercycle said:
Well, as I understand, I should update my phone with system updates, htc unlock, use oneclickroot/zergrush, install amonra recovery, and just flash/follow the steps from cleanrom ~ the all in one seems like it could help but it never mentions root.
But then what if I wanted to switch over to the Evita one to give it a try?
The "s on/off" thing confuses me to, is that the bootloader?
haha, sorry for the questions, thank you for help =)
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after you unlocked the bootloader with htcdev you go right to a recovery. reboot to bootloader and once it's in fastboot you run the flashing recovery command,reboot to recovery and follow the roms instructions. if were to try another rom you backup what you need then wipe/follow steps for the next rom. reason you skip rooting before an install is because nearly any rom you pick is already rooted
thank you that clears it up =)
one final worry is the RUU (what is it?) and phone version, should I just update everything prior to doing this stuff?
I would go ahead and update through settings before you root. (there's no reason not to really). As to whether or not you flash the leak, that's entirely up to you. I personally notice no difference.
The ruu (ROM update utility?) is a package that contains a complete update. (rom, kernel, etc.)
S-on/s-off refers to the security flag. HTC sets the flag to on which prevents the changing of radios (and splash screens, among other things) and makes other changes more difficult (though still doable, such as kernel changes).
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I was wondering if either Con or someone please write up a step by step process how to use the new kernel flashing feature under the dev menu for the latest release of Amon Ra. I am new to flashing roms on the HTC and have read a few different forums and threads describing what needs to be done to flash kernels with S-on, but it's starting to get confusing. Hope this is the appropriate forum for this , I am doing the reading, but this still much different than my OG droid.
I guess the part that is getting confusing is swapping z-images and the kernel modules.
Thank you
Mike
What I did...
I went to this link and downloaded the attached files on to my desktop:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20828158&postcount=55
1) FlashMeInRecovery.zip
2) PH98IMGZIGGYUNASSIGNED.zip
renamed PH98IMGZIGGYUNASSIGNED.zip to PH98IMG.zip
placed both zip files on to the external sd card
rebooted into recovery DID A NAND BACK UP then wipe/factory reset
Flashed my choice of ROM. I chose Ineffabilis
Flashed the FlashMeInRecovery.zip
rebooted into Bootloader and it automatically flashed the PH98IMG.zip (just follow the instructions you will see on the screen, i.e. volume up for yes)
after it was done flashing it said to press volume up to reboot the phone
after the phone reboot, I've been loving my phone even more
I haven't had any issues with bootlooping with this ROM/Kernel set up (knock on wood ) I have my cpu over clocked to 1.7 max 384 min (setCPU) and its very stable. If I bump it up to 1.8 my quadrant benchmark and linpack gave me inconsistent results.
Hope this helps!
Thanks Digi, I do understand that process ok..just see that Amon Ra updated and added some automated functionality based off Con's script and I wasn't quite sure what how to use the new features. I am just staying on stock kernel, but as more rom makers start using custom kernels I figure I better learn how to properly flash kernels.
gotcha. I'm still a n00b at this but I had my eris rooted and that was easy peasy to flash roms/kernels. I'm assuming that since the Rezound still has S-ON we need to do it this way now?
I was prepared to put up with all sorts of new release issues. But there's something going on with the radios that's just gobbling up my battery (and I have the Big Kahuna 2.8 amp).
The phone stays over 110F, and it discharges on USB power unless I put it into airplane mode. It's simply no good for me, perhaps due to the patchy 4g coverage in my area. This is a serious problem.
Unfortunately, I don't know any of the release numbers prior to ICS 605. Can anyone direct me to stock images that could at least get me on an OTA path back to the current official released build? I have decent AmonRa nandroids of my last GB config, but I'll need to lay down the old kernel and perhaps some of the boot layers before I can restore them.
I sure hope there's a way out of this.
the best you can do that i know is flash a custom GB ROM with kernel after, and then flash scott's gb fix that will give you back your sd card. I would read up on the cleanrom 4.0 thread.
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I installed it 3 days ago. Relocked full stock. Used new included removal tool to take out alot of BLOAT. Connects to 3G/4G faster than Gingerbread.
Some new menus. Fewer choices in Power Settings, and differences in other
places, all good. When you say OK to something, the OK defaults to the right
side of the screen in most all permissions. Does not run hot. Battery life
just about the same. Seems like a great new upgrade of the Zound with some very useful and appreciated customization features running bone stock. Fast fast fast too.
p.s. it ran funny after the first flash of new PGXX.zip. Had to flash it twice and watch it tick thru each item. It di not go fully thru that list first time by the way: could account for some folk's radio and heat problems (?)
michaelbsheldon said:
I installed it 3 days ago. Relocked full stock. Used new included removal tool to take out alot of BLOAT. Connects to 3G/4G faster than Gingerbread.
Some new menus. Fewer choices in Power Settings, and differences in other
places, all good. When you say OK to something, the OK defaults to the right
side of the screen in most all permissions. Does not run hot. Battery life
just about the same. Seems like a great new upgrade of the Zound with some very useful and appreciated customization features running bone stock. Fast fast fast too.
p.s. it ran funny after the first flash of new PGXX.zip. Had to flash it twice and watch it tick thru each item. It di not go fully thru that list first time by the way: could account for some folk's radio and heat problems (?)
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it's normal to flash twice.. it's not actually flashing it twice, only once..
but it reboots after flashing a few things, then reboots back to bootloader, and u have to press power and wait for it to read again
michaelbsheldon said:
I installed it 3 days ago. Relocked full stock. Used new included removal tool to take out alot of BLOAT. Connects to 3G/4G faster than Gingerbread.
Some new menus. Fewer choices in Power Settings, and differences in other
places, all good. When you say OK to something, the OK defaults to the right
side of the screen in most all permissions. Does not run hot. Battery life
just about the same. Seems like a great new upgrade of the Zound with some very useful and appreciated customization features running bone stock. Fast fast fast too.
p.s. it ran funny after the first flash of new PGXX.zip. Had to flash it twice and watch it tick thru each item. It di not go fully thru that list first time by the way: could account for some folk's radio and heat problems (?)
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I'm not trying to debate whether it works for you. It's just not working for me, and not just in one of those minor inconvenience ways -- these temps are unsustainable. Is there any path that gets me to where I can restore a previous nandroid of the current OTA release? I'm thinking I'm going to need the official GB kernel, and maybe some boot stuff. And I don't know the first thing about mainver.
If you are on CleanROM, you don't need to worry about the mainver issue.
Restore the nandroid from your GB setup. If you don't have the kernel, just download the rom that you had, or any GB rom for that matter, and look for the PH98IMG.zip.
You can do it one of two ways, put that zip on the root of your SD card or get the boot.img out of it and flash that in fastboot
Code:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
cpurick said:
I'm not trying to debate whether it works for you. It's just not working for me, and not just in one of those minor inconvenience ways -- these temps are unsustainable. Is there any path that gets me to where I can restore a previous nandroid of the current OTA release? I'm thinking I'm going to need the official GB kernel, and maybe some boot stuff. And I don't know the first thing about mainver.
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Remember though, you are stuck on the new radios. You will also need to flash the gingerbread patch. You also won't receive much support from devs trying to run gb on ics firmware.
EmerikL said:
If you are on CleanROM, you don't need to worry about the mainver issue.
Restore the nandroid from your GB setup. If you don't have the kernel, just download the rom that you had, or any GB rom for that matter, and look for the PH98IMG.zip.
You can do it one of two ways, put that zip on the root of your SD card or get the boot.img out of it and flash that in fastboot
Code:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
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This sounds perfect. Do you know where I can find a GB kernel? I didn't think to note the version, and I really didn't expect to be going back.
Any of the GB Roms have it. It is the stock kernel.
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con247 said:
Remember though, you are stuck on the new radios. You will also need to flash the gingerbread patch. You also won't receive much support from devs trying to run gb on ics firmware.
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Thanks.
Do I just search for Rezound Gingerbread Patch?
Do you think this will make things worse? Do you have any recommendations for a phone that runs hot on ICS? It's definitely cooler in airplane mode.
Without airplane mode, idle screen off temps are 105-110. If I turn the screen on for any time, they approach 120.
Set the CPU govenor to conservative. That will help. The patch for GB is in the CleanRom 4.0 thread.
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Set the CPU govenor to conservative. That will help. The patch for GB is in the CleanRom 4.0 thread.
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I am having the same issue as Cpurick. Forgive my ignorance, how do I set the CPU governor to conservative?
-- Sent from my TouchPad using Communities
So on topic
What's the consensus for full restoral to gingerbread?
I was stock.
Flashed leaked ics
Want to go back to gbread.
Unlock w HTC tool
Flash a recovery image
Flash a gingerbread rom and kernel
Flash gingerbread ruu?
Sounds simple enough or did I miss a step
You cant flash the GB RUU, the Hboot was upgraded. Flash ROM, Kernel, and the SD card fix and you will have it working.
EmerikL said:
You cant flash the GB RUU, the Hboot was upgraded. Flash ROM, Kernel, and the SD card fix and you will have it working.
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You won't be able to restore to 100% full stock. You'll be stuck like me. The new radio with gb is nice though
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Use Con's nandroid recovery helper and it will restore your nand and kernel. You will still need Scott's sd card patch though.
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I just wanted,to say thank you all for this,post...but this was a pain in my ass .I have it figured out now but it just is silly how much more there is to do without full s-off.
On the EVO, just flash away. Thunderbolt, radios, gbread, ics(alpha), this is just a little trickier.
I installed the CLEANrom tapped edition rom after wiping everything as instructed. It boots and initially I had issues with wifi working, but that seems to be working after flashing a stock kernel. Now if I try to play anything with sound or change the volume using rockers or in the phone itself it forces a reboot.
Any ideas?
Thanks
You are probably on old firmware and need to flash the patch
http://www.myandroidfiles.com/Downloads/Rezound/3.14.605.5/GB%20Firmware%20Patch.zip
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Still having issues
Thanks for the reply. I actually ended up flashing it back to the rom that I had. I also made sure I flashed it to the original recovery as well which is amon ra. The rom I flashed it back to was the clean rom standard 4.4.
Unfortunately, I'm having the same problem no. If I go into the dialer and hit a number it freezes and force reboots. If I hit the volume rocker, it freezes and force reboots. It just force reboots for almost everything except for texting and going into apps.
any thoughts? The 4.4 worked fine on the firmware that's on here, and I did do the wipe and reset before I installed back. Maybe I bricked it?
Definitely not bricked. You wouldn't be able to even boot if bricked. What firmware are you on?
Here is some information
CleanROM standard 4.4
htc sense version 3.6
android version 4.0.3
kernel 3.0.16
I think the hboot was 2.11 or something like that.
Yeah, I figured it's not totally bricked. It should be on ICS. The issues started when I removed my old rom and put on this tapped edition clean rom which was listed as a good rom to use in the rezounds rom options. Kinda stupid that it would create this whole mess if it actually was a working rom. Maybe it shouldn't be listed... lol
Mr. Lando said:
CleanROM standard 4.4
htc sense version 3.6
android version 4.0.3
kernel 3.0.16
I think the hboot was 2.11 or something like that.
Yeah, I figured it's not totally bricked. It should be on ICS. The issues started when I removed my old rom and put on this tapped edition clean rom which was listed as a good rom to use in the rezounds rom options. Kinda stupid that it would create this whole mess if it actually was a working rom. Maybe it shouldn't be listed... lol
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Even though your on ics, it looks like your on gb firmware. Search for the gb patch for ics and flash in recovery and problem solved
2.11 hboot is gb firmware, 2.21 or up is ics firmware
Mr. Lando said:
The issues started when I removed my old rom and put on this tapped edition clean rom which was listed as a good rom to use in the rezounds rom options. Kinda stupid that it would create this whole mess if it actually was a working rom. Maybe it shouldn't be listed... lol
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It runs just great on the correct firmware lulz
Correct Process for Updating firmware
Hello,
You stated that 2.11 in the hboot indicates gb firmware. Do you know a link to the correct thread that would give me the appropriate process for updating the FW one that will work with the CLEANrom 1.4 dev version? I got the wifi working again after flashing the "old firmware patch" and then reloading CLEANrom 4.4 everything went back to normal. However, I hate sense and I would like something without it which is what the dev version provides, but if I cannot get wifi working then it's kind of useless. When I say "if I cannot get wifi working" what I am indicating is that when I try to run the cleanrom dev version 1.4 WIFI gets stuck on "turning on" but never turns on and eventually just says "error" with no further details. I searched through forum feeds and found a few forums that hinted on steps, but many people have seemed to be confused by this issue in the past and perhaps it is related to firmware as you said.
Thanks
i would wipe everything again, reflash the rom, and then immediately the patch. that should fix everything. key thing is flash the patch before booting the rom. ive flashed the patch after rebooting before and had things go haywire. not a promise that it will work, just letting you know what ive run into
Scosler has everything listed in the op for the rom, and all files are there as well. There's a bunch of different instructions for however your phone is set up.
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Continuing...
Hi,
Not to sound like a total idiot here, and I probably do, but you had mentioned I should update the firmware so that hboot indicates 2.21 or higher. Is there an easy process for this or a thread I can turn to so that I can be sure it's updated. I believe I already did the step you mentioned.
I wiped/reset ----> flashed the 1.4 rom ----> ran the PH98IMG.zip----> then boot ----> then no PROFIT. wifi will not work. Maybe it's firmware after all. I don't know how I ended up on gb, I had a friend walk me through this the first time and I'm pretty technical. I used the automated tool by that one guy to flash the amonra recovery and I thought that was 2.21 or higher, but maybe I'm wrong.
If s on and on 2.11 hboot Method 4:
-Copy ROM to SD Card AND PH98IMG.zip AND GB Firmware Patch to ROOT of SD Card
-Reboot to recovery
-wipe data / Factory Reset
-Flash ROM
-Flash GB Fimrware Patch
-Use Developer Menu to reboot to bootloader and flash the boot.img file in the PH98IMG.zip
-Reboot
-Profit!
Based on what you typed you didn't flash the firmware fix...
Mr. Lando said:
Hi,
Not to sound like a total idiot here, and I probably do, but you had mentioned I should update the firmware so that hboot indicates 2.21 or higher. Is there an easy process for this or a thread I can turn to so that I can be sure it's updated. I believe I already did the step you mentioned.
I wiped/reset ----> flashed the 1.4 rom ----> ran the PH98IMG.zip----> then boot ----> then no PROFIT. wifi will not work. Maybe it's firmware after all. I don't know how I ended up on gb, I had a friend walk me through this the first time and I'm pretty technical. I used the automated tool by that one guy to flash the amonra recovery and I thought that was 2.21 or higher, but maybe I'm wrong.
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If i were you i would either s-off or flash one of the ics leak ruu's. that will help. there are many ways to solve your problem but those are your best bets
My issue is resolved. Thanks for all of your help and insight.
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Care to share what you did? I am having exact same issue . . .
nvm - resolved: applied GB Patch right after ICS ROM flash (who would have known - I was kind of ignoring those GB patch instructions, since they did not apply to ICS).
Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
Spaded21 said:
Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
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You can simply flash a stock rom that has the update & flash the newer stock kernel that goes with it but you wont be able to update the radios. You wont lose any info this way unless something goes wrong.(always backup everything just in case something goes wrong).
As for backup, you will only be able to backup aps & data with titanium backup or some sort of program like that because If you do a nandroid backup and then restore after applying the update, you would be restoring your old rom basically over the new one and lose most update enhancements.
You should just follow the thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069 and go S-Off. I know you will have to restore everything because you will wipe your phone when you do this but its only gonna make things easier for you in the future.
Do a nan backup and save it in case you want to use it in the future and go back to what you had. Once you have S-Off, you can flash kernals, radios, & roms and put in any version you want.
Thanks for your response Jrocker,
So it looks like the best way to do this would be to backup my apps with Titanium, get S-off, install a stock ROM with the update, flash the kernel and radio, then restore from Titanium.
Step 1. Make nandroid
Step 2. Backup apps with Titanium, copy backup along with pics and video to PC
Step 3. Get S-off
Step 4. Flash Stock ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095
Step 5. While still in recovery, flash stock kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149951
Step 6. Flash stock radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155915
Step 7. Restore apps and pics.
Does that look correct? Do I have to worry about flashing a boot.img or modules(don't know what those are)?
Spaded21 said:
Thanks for your response Jrocker,
So it looks like the best way to do this would be to backup my apps with Titanium, get S-off, install a stock ROM with the update, flash the kernel and radio, then restore from Titanium.
Step 1. Make nandroid
Step 2. Backup apps with Titanium, copy backup along with pics and video to PC
Step 3. Get S-off
Step 4. Flash Stock ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095
Step 5. While still in recovery, flash stock kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149951
Step 6. Flash stock radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155915
Step 7. Restore apps and pics.
Does that look correct? Do I have to worry about flashing a boot.img or modules(don't know what those are)?
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Have you unlocked the bootloader? (this step is usually done in connection with rooting the phone at the htcdev.com website). If you have an ulocked bootloader, then you can flash an alternate recovery (eithe cwr or twrp) and do a nandroid backup.
Then follow the steps to get s-off. Note: the step where you have your data wiped is unlocking the bootloader, not obtaining s-off. If you already have an alternate recovery, and root, then s-off generally will not wipe your phone. But do an nandroid backup in cwr or twrp just in case Although a nandroid won't backup pictures etc.
Once you have s-off, flash the stock (but rooted) rom you linked to in step 4. This step SHOULD flash the stock kernel if the .zip file was prepared properly. If you boot into the rom and have flickering or wifi issues, then you will need to flash the stock 2.04 kernel (in fastboot). You can also verify if the new kernel was installed when the rom is booted by looking at the Settings:About:Software Information:More (baseband, kernel etc). You should see there kernel version 3.4.10. The baseband (radio) should be 1.01.01.0110 once you have updated the radio (see the step below). The kernel file is the boot.img file you were asking about. The modules will already be built into the stock rom.
While in fastboot (not recovery) you can flash the updated radio files (that will make the baseband referred to above be 1.01.01.0110.
The time when you need to worry about flashing a kernel (boot.img) and modules is if you are s-on, or if you are s-off and the zip file was prepared as you were s-on. When you flash a "kernel", it consists of a boot.img file, along with some extraneous files (the module). When you are s-off, these can both be flashed together while in recovery. When you are s-on, the boot.img file must be flashed from fastboot (or else an alternate method using an app like Flash Image GUI). Because until recently, most DNA's were s-on, the kernel developers prepared their files for s-on devices, with instructions for s-on devices.
When you flash a rom that uses a different kernel than the one you are using, if the .zip file is prepared for a s-off device, then there are no additional steps necessary.
You may want to do a factory reset when you flash the updated 2.04 rom. I think it would be wise. As I said earlier, you shouldn't lose your /sdcard partition UNLESS you haven't already unlocked your bootloader. s-off doesn't reset your device.
Wow, all I can say is thank you so much! That was an awesome, detailed answer. It makes so much more sense when someone fully explains everything all at once, instead of me trying to piece everything together myself from various threads.
Yes my bootloader is unlocked. So you are saying once the bootloader is unlocked wiping data won't touch the SD card partition, just as if I had an actual SD card? When I rooted my Thunderbolt and did subsequent factory resets on that, it never touched the SD card. When I rooted my DNA it wiped everything. Either way I will always make backups and copy those to my PC.
I will be trying this later today and I will report back with the results. Seriously, thank you so much.
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Wow, all I can say is thank you so much! That was an awesome, detailed answer. It makes so much more sense when someone fully explains everything all at once, instead of me trying to piece everything together myself from various threads.
Yes my bootloader is unlocked. So you are saying once the bootloader is unlocked wiping data won't touch the SD card partition, just as if I had an actual SD card? When I rooted my Thunderbolt and did subsequent factory resets on that, it never touched the SD card. When I rooted my DNA it wiped everything. Either way I will always make backups and copy those to my PC.
I will be trying this later today and I will report back with the results. Seriously, thank you so much.
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I was looking for this exact solution as well. This was before we had s-off. For a while my solution was to freeze a couple apps in TB so the OTA pop up would stop popping up. I think it was HTC DM 1.0.2219251543..... and HtcDm 1.0.221982913.... Looks the same but they are different.
I like stock but I eventually flashed ViperDNA. It looks like stock but you are able to customize the $h!!t out of it. Its an awesome ROM that I highly recommend. Although you might want to wait until he comes out with 1.2 (the new version with the latest firmware) becuase you have to wipe data. Data wiping isn't a big deal if you use TB.
Ether way you go - Stock ROM or ViperDNA - The recommended way to wipe your device is this way:
(I'm using TWRP but CR should be similar, might be in different menus)
Backup everything using TB
Backup Pics and other docs on internal SD card (JUST IN CASE)
Make Nandroid Backup in Recovery
Wipe Menu-> Wipe Dalvik Cache (some like to wipe 3 times others think its just a waste of time)
Wipe Menu-> Wipe Cache (Factory Reset wipes cache but I like to wipe cache anyway just for completeness )
Wipe Menu-> Factory Reset
Wipe Menu-> System
Don't Format Data and Don't wipe Internal Storage. You will loose SD card contents.
Once you install your ROMS, flash your kernals, flash radios...whatever you want to do...You can restore apps and data from TB
As always, follow the ROMS instructions on their page for more information.
Only Restore User Apps and Data
Never restore any system apps in RED. May not be compatible with new ROM
You can however restore system Data that is in Yellow or Green (DATA ONLY)
Thanks devilsaces
Once I get everything updated and get a good nadroid of the newest firmware with all my apps I will definitely give ViperDNA a shot. I tried a few custom ROMs on my Thunderbolt, and while they were great to customize, they weren't always stable. Like I said I use my phone for work all day so I really need something dependable, and so far stock hasn't let me down.
Thanks again everyone, a lot of great info in this thread. Hopefully this will be useful to others as well.
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Thanks devilsaces
Once I get everything updated and get a good nadroid of the newest firmware with all my apps I will definitely give ViperDNA a shot. I tried a few custom ROMs on my Thunderbolt, and while they were great to customize, they weren't always stable. Like I said I use my phone for work all day so I really need something dependable, and so far stock hasn't let me down.
Thanks again everyone, a lot of great info in this thread. Hopefully this will be useful to others as well.
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Yeah, I had the same problem on the Thunderbolt, nothing stable. Viper however feels great. I would definitely freeze the HTC apps in Titanium Backup to get rid of the annoying pop ups. I noticed Viper has them uninstalled.
About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
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About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
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I'm actually running that rom right now.
You don't need to flash the radio if you don't want. If you are happy with your cell reception, and battery life, as well as wifi, then you can stay on the original radio.
Or if you'd like to try the new radio, you can flash that (once you have s-off) with this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38197525
I'm not sure if there is a radio flash prepared to go back to the original radio. Generally speaking, once to are s-off, you can change radios at will.
From what I understand, if you flash the rom you linked to, and the radio above, then you will have everything from the update, except the updated hboot. I haven't bothered changing my hboot. changing hboot won't affect the day to day operation of the phone, but it can change the fast boot commands that are available. Until I see a good reason, I am not going to worry about my hboot.
FYI: about changing radios, from what I understand, the radio file is the code that tells the phone how to communicate with the towers. It tells the phone how to adjust the power output of the radio according to the strength of signal from the cell. This can be very aggressive, leading to better signal, at the expense of battery life (increasing power output of the phone radio takes more power from the battery), or it can be conservative, with a little lower quality signal, but conserving battery life.
It seems that the engineers at the carriers are constantly tweaking the radio code to find a sweet spot between signal quality and battery life. Different carriers may tweak the radio for the same phone with a different priority. Sprint may prioritize signal, while verizon prioritizes battery. So each carrier may have a different radio file for phone that is in the same phone family. And then each carrier may have multiple radios. On the thunderbolt there were about 6 or 7 I think, but it is generally believed that newer radios work better than older ones.
Some people on xda will often experiment to see which radio file works best for them, depending on where they live and work.
I always try to be careful to only flash redid that others have reported to work with my device, rather than experimenting personally. I would think that you can brick your phone flashing the wrong radio file.
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Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
Spaded21 said:
About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
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Firmware is the Android system. The Droid DNA is on on 4.1.1 (Jelly Bean). That version has not changed in the new OTA update so I don't know why that ROM even mentioned it.
The Kernal is the interface that alows the software to access the hardware. A more detailed explanation can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=ROM-VS-Kernel
HBOOT is 'kinda' like your BIOS in windows. It is the bootloader. It is the first thing that is loaded on your phone. This too I believe has not changed with the latest OTA update.
This is the change log for the 2.04.605.2 710RD update
Bluetooth connectivity and volume level for specific models have been improved
Enhanced reliability and stability of the Contacts List have been made
Enhanced Recent Apps functionality has been improved
Incoming messages display with the correct timestamp
Improvements to Hotspot connectivity have been made
Improvements to Audio Quality for wired headsets and earpieces have been made
Improvements to default browser for zooming capability have been made
User can load videos on HuluPlus
Wi-Fi Connectivity has been improved
As you can see it is mostly stuff related to your radio so the radio is the main part you would want. I personally just updated my radio and din't worry about anything else.
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Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
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I don't think it is deodexed otherwise it would tell you. I think deodexed is good if you want to theme.
I'm using the first one, which isn't deodexed. But I'm keeping my rom close to stock this week
Next week, when the Viper rom has been updated to 2.04, I'll be flashing that, and probably a theme.
You indicated that you aren't currently running any mods or themes. Unless you are looking to change, I would suggest you flash the first rom you linked, which is stock, except for the root capability being added to it.
The de-odexed rom you asked about will have been modified, deleting the .odex files so that the rom can further be customized by themes etc. When a phone boots a rom that is missing the .odex files, it will take longer to boot because it will essentially create the missing .odex files on the fly while booting. But when you are modding your rom, adding themes etc., existing .odex files get in the way, so that is why developers remove the .odex files, even though the rom will take longer to boot. Once the phone is booted, whether the rom was odexed or not becomes irrelevant.
For now, if you are looking to be on the latest radio and HTC rom, I suggest you get s-off, then flash the basic 2.04 rom (the one you linked to first), and the updated radios. Hopefully HTC will soon release the updated source files for the 2.04 kernel, and then we will have more customization.
If you are looking to customize now, I would get s-off, then flash the updated radios, but stay with a rom based on the original released rom and source (like Viper). The latest Viper rom (with updates to 1.1.3) has modifications so that you won't have to worry about getting bugged to update your ROM for 2.04. If you decided to go with Viper, it is a little confusing when viper is updating from 1.1 to 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 to 1.1.3, because it uses an over-the-air (OTA) update process similar to the stock OTA update. So you may see notices for updates - but the updates would be for Viper. Once you have gotten your phone s-off, you don't need to worry about updates causing problems.
Spaded21 said:
Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
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Ok so I have done everything, S-off, deodexed stock ROM, 3.4.10 kernel (it flashed with the ROM), and updated radio. I'm able to boot up but I don't have wifi.
Edit: Flashed the boot.img from the zip and it's working now.
Spaded21 said:
Ok so I have done everything, S-off, deodexed stock ROM, 3.4.10 kernel (it flashed with the ROM), and updated radio. I'm able to boot up but I don't have wifi.
Edit: Flashed the boot.img from the zip and it's working now.
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Congrats!
I think that rom you used wasn't set up properly to flash the boot.img from recovery, so that is why you had to do it manually. As time goes on (and there are more users with s-off), I think most new roms will be set up properly, so you shouldn't run into that again.
The whole process wasn't that hard, and using TiB made it really easy to get everything back.
So how do I go about removing bloatware now that I have S-Off and I am deodexed?
Although there are several ways to start removing bloatware, one of the easiest ways is to go into TiBu, and freeze apps. Make a nandroid backup first, and start slow.
Some apps have dependencies, you freeze one, and another might not work, like contacts and dialer.
After you have frozen an app, and are confident that it isn't necessary, you can delete it if you want.
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Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
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I would highly recommend using the OTA blocking zip to kill the update messages. I'm not very handy with posting zips yet but search the threads for the disable OTA. I am on the Viper DNA rom also but I put the OTA blocking on just in case. If I were on my PC instead of my phone I could have posted the zip file for you. I'm sure with each rom the developer has added a file to make sure the OTA is killed but you can never be too sure.
Easiest way to get 2.04 OTA for rooted DNA phones
Hat-tip .Torrented from our discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152993&page=12
Get Facepalm S-Off: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069
Download stock recovery from: http://goo.im/devs/Flyhalf205/DNA/dlx_recovery_signed.img
Flash the stock recovery using:
fastboot flash recovery dlx_recovery_signed.img
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Once you are on stock recovery, and assuming you're on stock kernel, it allows you to take the OTA update!
After you take the ota just flash the custom recovery of your choice again. CWM Touch is a good option: http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
Flash the superuser-busybox.zip to root.
This gives you a completely clean "factory" upgrade to 2.04, without losing any of your data (YMMV - so pls always take a backup before you do this).
It worked for me - yippee!!!
Software number: 2.04.605.2 710RD
Kernel version: 3.4.10-ga02d2c6
Baseband version: 1.01.01.0110
Whole procedure took less than 15 minutes
zanyguy said:
Hat-tip .Torrented from our discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152993&page=12
Get Facepalm S-Off: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069
Download stock recovery from: http://goo.im/devs/Flyhalf205/DNA/dlx_recovery_signed.img
Flash the stock recovery using:
Once you are on stock recovery, and assuming you're on stock kernel, it allows you to take the OTA update!
After you take the ota just flash the custom recovery of your choice again. CWM Touch is a good option: http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
Flash the superuser-busybox.zip to root.
This gives you a completely clean "factory" up to 2.04, without losing any of your data (YMMV - so pls always take a backup before you do this).
It worked for me - yippee!!!
Software number: 2.04.605.2 710RD
Kernel version: 3.4.10-ga02d2c6
Baseband version: 1.01.01.0110
Whole procedure took less than 15 minutes
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Thanks zanyguy for the procedure and process outline. I have a question regarding my current format and was wondering if going to a stock rooted version would work for me. Since every end user is different then there are different things they want of course. For me the process is very simple. I like a very lean system. I also like to try and achieve many things to look as close to AOSP as I can get and keep functionality. My current setup has the phone unlocked, rooted, s-off and running Viper 1.1.3. My radio is the OTA update radio of 1.01.01.0110 and my kernel is the same 3.4.10-ga02d2c6. What I wonder is this. Should I even bother trying to flash the stock Rom? Is there any benefits to doing so? And if I do give it a spin should I just restore the Viper DNA rom or re flash anew?
Thanks
I've grown tired of my ARHD ROM mainly because it lacks the Update functions and not being able to at least update my profile means I often don't have signal or just 1x data. That makes my apps sloooow when using the internet. Plus I'm ready for something new.
I finally got s-off, so I'm good there. I was thinking about going with CyanogenMod 10.1 - WILD FOR THE NIGHT, but it seems like MMS isn't working well and that's something I use all the time. It seems like most ROMs want HBOOT 1.5 and I'm on 1.58. What's the easiest rollback method? I used the JuopunutBear method to get s-off, but it's really tedious to boot a live CD, plus their instructions for their older HBOOT aren't quite clear enough for me.
Secondly, about the ROM, the features I care about most are:
- Making calls
- Web surfing
- SMS/MMS
- Camera (3D not needed)
- wimax
I also would like something that's a bit more snappy. Going to JB would be nice, but if it's more sluggish on my hardware then I'll stick with ICS.
I found some previously recommended ROMs but they don't seem to be maintained anymore.
Thanks much.
Changing hboot is easy. Just copy the hboot PG86IMG.zip to the root of sdcard and reboot into bootloader. It will flash the hboot. Now at this point I pull the battery cause it will only let you reboot. Remove pg86img from sdcard and boot into recovery. Always wipe all partitions on the phone cause the hboots can have different partition sizes. Now flash your ROM of choice. If you need hboots I have them on my goo. Goo.im/devs/jlmancuso.
You can go up and down without losing root. So flash away.
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Thanks. That's a big help!
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Thanks. That's a big help!
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As always if you need any help I can be found on Talk/hangouts [email protected]. Feel free to hit me up.
The more we share the more we learn.
I might recommend the MiUi v5 Rom. I have had a lot of success with it and it seems to be flawless. I currently don't have the ability to post links, but it is in the development tab.