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I was checking the HDMI out on Xperia S and I came up with this. I changed the resoultions from 720p to 1080p , i didn't saw any difference. Does this really change the resolution of HDMI out? Anyone tried it?
The phone still outputs 720p scaled to 1080p. It just does the scaling for the tv. Duplicating a display is easy, running two would be a challenge for a phone GPU.
I tired 720p and 1080p, there was no difference i saw. my monitor is 23", maybe scaling would better work with 50". Right?
Saeen said:
I tired 720p and 1080p, there was no difference i saw. my monitor is 23", maybe scaling would better work with 50". Right?
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No, you misunderstand me. Its 720P either way because the screen on the phone is 720. It'll always be 720.
If you set it to 720P: Phone -720->Monitor-Upscales("stretches")-You see it.
If you set it to 1080P: Phone-Upscales-1080->Monitor-You see it.
Either way its just stretching 720p. At the same viewing distance it will look WORSE on the bigger screen. That said, I watched an SD movie with the gf the other night on a 50" tv using my XS. We were about 8 feet away and it looked fine. Using it on my desktop 22" it is kinda noticeable though. Not too bad though:
that was well explained. Thanks.
Scratchling said:
No, you misunderstand me. Its 720P either way because the screen on the phone is 720. It'll always be 720.
If you set it to 720P: Phone -720->Monitor-Upscales("stretches")-You see it.
If you set it to 1080P: Phone-Upscales-1080->Monitor-You see it.
Either way its just stretching 720p. At the same viewing distance it will look WORSE on the bigger screen. That said, I watched an SD movie with the gf the other night on a 50" tv using my XS. We were about 8 feet away and it looked fine. Using it on my desktop 22" it is kinda noticeable though. Not too bad though:
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Does your TV go to 24p when you plug your phone in? I couldnt tell from your video, mine goes to 24p and has massive input lag which makes games unplayable!
Also if you play music does the equiliser have any effect on the sound? Mine has zero bass and the equiliser has no effect at all
Go to the service menu. There are advanced settings for HDMI out. You can set the resolution up to [email protected] hz.
The equalizer is an another story. It has nothing to do with equalizer. The phone applies some kind of high-pass filter for the HDMI out sound as if it thinks it plays the sound through its own external speakers. The cut-off frequency seems to be around 100 hz or so. This is some kind of software bug and I hope Sony will fix it!
Zoomer88 said:
Go to the service menu. There are advanced settings for HDMI out. You can set the resolution up to [email protected] hz.
The equalizer is an another story. It has nothing to do with equalizer. The phone applies some kind of high-pass filter for the HDMI out sound as if it thinks it plays the sound through its own external speakers. The cut-off frequency seems to be around 100 hz or so. This is some kind of software bug and I hope Sony will fix it!
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Thanks Zoomer, I have used the serice menu trick before but it resets every time! kinda useless hey.
My phone came with .62 but I flashed to .73 from the dev section, not sure if the HDMI sound output was ok before or not
WasherUK said:
Does your TV go to 24p when you plug your phone in? I couldnt tell from your video, mine goes to 24p and has massive input lag which makes games unplayable!
Also if you play music does the equiliser have any effect on the sound? Mine has zero bass and the equiliser has no effect at all
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Works fine. No noticeable delay. That was a monitor (Dell ST2210) so no audio(used a pair of headphones to just play in the background for the camera).
When I used it on a 50" LG TV the sound seemed fine. Was just a movie but there was some music and I didnt hear anything unusual(I'm a DJ so I'd pick up on it rather quick).
From other threads it seems that some tvs just dont play nice, try a few others and see what happens.
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Works fine. No noticeable delay. That was a monitor (Dell ST2210) so no audio(used a pair of headphones to just play in the background for the camera).
When I used it on a 50" LG TV the sound seemed fine. Was just a movie but there was some music and I didnt hear anything unusual(I'm a DJ so I'd pick up on it rather quick).
From other threads it seems that some tvs just dont play nice, try a few others and see what happens.
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Hmmm maybe the Dell dosnt support 24p? Thats what I get for buying a crappy Bravia tv and expecting it to work with a Sony phone
Scratchling said:
When I used it on a 50" LG TV the sound seemed fine. Was just a movie but there was some music and I didnt hear anything unusual(I'm a DJ so I'd pick up on it rather quick).
From other threads it seems that some tvs just dont play nice, try a few others and see what happens.
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Well it depends on TV speakers but normally you shouldn't be able to tell the ~100hz cut-off on the tv since the TV Speakers aren't exactly made for low frequency sound
I'm connecting my phone to the Sony DA2400ES AV Receiver which in turn connected to the tv and a good sound system. I was planning on using this phone to bit stream flac's LPCM through receiver since my receiver doesn't have a way to connect a media storage. But unfortunately the sound is FUBARed
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Thanks Zoomer, I have used the serice menu trick before but it resets every time! kinda useless hey.
My phone came with .62 but I flashed to .73 from the dev section, not sure if the HDMI sound output was ok before or not
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Yeah, the reset sucks My phone had .67 since the day I bought it. The sound was the same.
On a side note. To my knowledge 24hz is a standard for movies (24 frames per second) so every TV should support 24hz. But on the PC monitors it is the other way. 60hz is a standard for LCD monitor and 24hz support is optional by specifications. So yea, it is possible that the phone, being connected to the monitor, first of all tries to set 24hz and fails, then sets 60hz.
I hope there will be some way in ICS to configure audio/video output and to save those settings.
Edit: Oh! I also forgot to mention that I started a topic on the HDMI audio issue on the official Sony Xperia forum and Sony representative confirmed this behavior. He also launched an investigation! As of now I cant post links here (need 6 posts) but if you check Sony forums and search for the topic named "HDMI audio problem (high-pass filter?!)" in the "Xperia S" directory, you should easily find it! Right now it is on the second page.
For a personal point of view I let the tv handle upscaling, it seems to do it better than the phone.
As for sound, that is plain nasty on hdmi. If I use a standard 3.5 mm lead it is great, even on the tv, but yeah, hdmi is just bad. No bass, it just sounds tinny and generally low quality.
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Well it depends on TV speakers but normally you shouldn't be able to tell the ~100hz cut-off on the tv since the TV Speakers aren't exactly made for low frequency sound
I'm connecting my phone to the Sony DA2400ES AV Receiver which in turn connected to the tv and a good sound system. I was planning on using this phone to bit stream flac's LPCM through receiver since my receiver doesn't have a way to connect a media storage. But unfortunately the sound is FUBARed
Yeah, the reset sucks My phone had .67 since the day I bought it. The sound was the same.
On a side note. To my knowledge 24hz is a standard for movies (24 frames per second) so every TV should support 24hz. But on the PC monitors it is the other way. 60hz is a standard for LCD monitor and 24hz support is optional by specifications. So yea, it is possible that the phone, being connected to the monitor, first of all tries to set 24hz and fails, then sets 60hz.
I hope there will be some way in ICS to configure audio/video output and to save those settings.
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Yep 24p is for movie playback, not all sets suport it though which leaves panning scenes looking ropey on blu-rays etc.
Im playing the sound though an expensive amp and speakers via the TV of course and have no low freq at all
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For a personal point of view I let the tv handle upscaling, it seems to do it better than the phone.
As for sound, that is plain nasty on hdmi. If I use a standard 3.5 mm lead it is great, even on the tv, but yeah, hdmi is just bad. No bass, it just sounds tinny and generally low quality.
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Looks like the little robots that work on the HDMI need to be re-charged!
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Looks like the little robots that work on the HDMI need to be re-charged!
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Oh lol. So true! I made an edit to my previous post and added information about the official forums. You might want to check it out and drop a few posts there But then again, judging by the answer of the representative, one post was enough to get their attention!
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For a personal point of view I let the tv handle upscaling, it seems to do it better than the phone.
As for sound, that is plain nasty on hdmi. If I use a standard 3.5 mm lead it is great, even on the tv, but yeah, hdmi is just bad. No bass, it just sounds tinny and generally low quality.
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Yeah. And don't forget that by using 3.5mm jack you're sticking to the phone's built in questionable amplifier. tbh I'm not one of those guys running around with BEATSPEWPEWWOAH and lurking the forums in search of doubtful software equalizers like srs or the like. Clean lossless virgin digital sound FTW!
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Oh lol. So true! I made an edit to my previous post and added information about the official forums. You might want to check it out and drop a few posts there But then again, judging by the answer of the representative, one post was enough to get their attention!
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It amazes me how they dont realise these things!
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Edit: Oh! I also forgot to mention that I started a topic on the HDMI audio issue on the official Sony Xperia forum and Sony representative confirmed this behavior. He also launched an investigation! As of now I cant post links here (need 6 posts) but if you check Sony forums and search for the topic named "HDMI audio problem (high-pass filter?!)" in the "Xperia S" directory, you should easily find it! Right now it is on the second page.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1587564
i opened a thread for this same problem, but i don't find any solution.
Also there are many android mobile phone having this audio issue (like motorola, acer and other)
waiting for a sony support answer
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Im running royal ginger which comes with the netflix app and im wondering if there is a way to view what i have on the tv. Pretty much like an HDMI cable without the HDMI port on the phone. Is there an adapter or something? I know there is a cable which goes into the headphone jack but i dont know if it will be able to play the movies on the big screen
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I really don't mean to sound like a smartass, but your best bet for Netflix on a TV is a videogame system or blu-ray player that streams Netflix. I just don't think the mobile app is cut out for displaying on another screen. It barely manages to do it on the phone's.
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Have you tried dlna, many newer tvs/ps3/xbox360 support it.
Why not just stream it through your laptop via and HDMI cable? That's what I do, works perfect. Or of course you can do what the guy two posts above me said. I just don't think Netflix on our phone is very practical anyways. Eats battery like crazy and heats up the phone when played too long.
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Im running royal ginger which comes with the netflix app and im wondering if there is a way to view what i have on the tv. Pretty much like an HDMI cable without the HDMI port on the phone. Is there an adapter or something? I know there is a cable which goes into the headphone jack but i dont know if it will be able to play the movies on the big screen
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Question: Have you ever seen any spec list for our phone mention HDMI out?
the DLNA will only stream content via wifi that is on our SDCard, you cannot stream apps or streaming media.
neidlinger said:
Question: Have you ever seen any spec list for our phone mention HDMI out?
the DLNA will only stream content via wifi that is on our SDCard, you cannot stream apps or streaming media.
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i know that the MT4G does not have HDMI, but what I am asking is if there is a way to output the screen onto the tv in a similar fashion as an HDMI. On amazon there is a cable that is designed for this using a 3.5mm headphone jack and it has the red/white/yellow plugs. My tv does not have DLNA and I do not own a blu ray player or gaming device. However I was planning on going to movie trading company or a pawn shop or something to see if there is one available. Which are the best blu ray players? if i cant find one for cheap then I will be buying the cable since it is only $9
That cable will not work with this phone. Our 3.5mm audio jack is for AUDIO only, there is no video coming out of that jack.
The 3.5mm to rca is for (mostly older, like more then 2 years) expandable mobile bluray/dvd players. I know because I have one of these mobile devices.
A standard 3.5mm jack is capable of doing three things, but most of them are only capable of 2 (stereo audio), and a few can only do one (mono audio). In our case, 2 channels are for left and right audio and 1 channel is used for mic input.
If you connect this cable to your television, you will most likely be connecting a port on your phone used for an unpowered microphone to a port on your television waiting to accept a standard def signal.
I wouldn't be surprised if most televisions put out a little tiny bit of power over that port just so it can accept the expected analog signal. My assumption is based on taking the unhooked cable and running your finger over it and watching static on the tv. You shouldn't be surprised if you destroy your phone, or at least the microphone input when you use that cable.
Also when shopping for electronics, using the criteria of "best and cheap" is like saying "yeah, man I totally hooked up with this super hot 400 lb chick"
If you want best, get a samsung or sony or phillips. If you want cheap, go insignia or dynex. If you want not so bad, and somewhat cheaper, look at a visio.
Remember, when dealing with electronics, just because it fits doesn't mean you should stick it in the hole. This might also be good advice when dealing with fat chicks.
The 4th Derivative said:
i know that the MT4G does not have HDMI, but what I am asking is if there is a way to output the screen onto the tv in a similar fashion as an HDMI. On amazon there is a cable that is designed for this using a 3.5mm headphone jack and it has the red/white/yellow plugs. My tv does not have DLNA and I do not own a blu ray player or gaming device. However I was planning on going to movie trading company or a pawn shop or something to see if there is one available. Which are the best blu ray players? if i cant find one for cheap then I will be buying the cable since it is only $9
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You cannot DLNA stream NetFlix with our phones. It's [as of right now] impossible. Netlfix doesn't support it, and Twonky doesn't support it. Nor do we have any output of video, the USB jack and the headphone jack do not support HDMI or RCA output as of right now.
If you are wanting a cheap way to watch netflix you can either get a Roku Box, for like 75-80 USD or you can buy a ~125.00 USD blue ray player.
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If you want not so bad, and somewhat cheaper, look at a visio.
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I have a friend with a Visio Blu-Ray player, it's not horrible, but it's not top notch either. I can tell a difference between my PS3 and his Visio. IT would also depend on the quality of the TV the [OP] is dealing with. If it's a 720p or 480p TV the brand will not matter that much. a 60Mhz 1080i or 1080p LCD/Plasma screen possibly. If they have a 1080p 120Mhz + or LED TV you are exactly right.
neidlinger said:
You cannot DLNA stream NetFlix with our phones. It's [as of right now] impossible. Netlfix doesn't support it, and Twonky doesn't support it. Nor do we have any output of video, the USB jack and the headphone jack do not support HDMI or RCA output as of right now.
If you are wanting a cheap way to watch netflix you can either get a Roku Box, for like 75-80 USD or you can buy a ~125.00 USD blue ray player.
I have a friend with a Visio Blu-Ray player, it's not horrible, but it's not top notch either. I can tell a difference between my PS3 and his Visio. IT would also depend on the quality of the TV the [OP] is dealing with. If it's a 720p or 480p TV the brand will not matter that much. a 60Mhz 1080i or 1080p LCD/Plasma screen possibly. If they have a 1080p 120Mhz + or LED TV you are exactly right.
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The tv I have is an AOC tv that I found at my grandfathers house. Its got 1 HDMI port and its an HD flatscreen but by looking at it it seems to be either low/mid-range quality or one of the first HD tvs. Im not a tv expert but those are the assumtions I think i can make. I dont want a high-end blu ray player because it will be traveling between dorm/home fairly often but I don't want a crappy one either. Thats why I was going to go buy a used one and hopefully get a quality machine for a low price
Gents I bought a generic POWERED MHL cable and when I plug it into the S2 WiFi won't connect anymore to my network. What gives? I have googled a bit and seen a few issues regarding it, not sure if more have had the issue. I wonder if this is a software or hardware issue. I have 4 days to return this phone if it is a hardware issue.
Anyone else have the same issue? TV signal shows up fine.
In general section someone has this same problem. I believe they said it was a tethering issue so you might have to root
yup i saw that and posted. i called samsung. according to them when plugging in an MHL adapter it disables wifi (even though you may still see the wifi icon) so that it doesnt cause jerkiness of ur picture
Hmm... I'll need to retry. I know cell data worked fine. Will try wifi-only.
Did you get it figured out? I ordered up one last week and should have it tomorrow. I was looking forward to being able to stream netflix.
What I would like to know before I spend the money on the official Samsung one if it would do the same thing.
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Wifi works fine with my MHL adapter connected. There is a small overscan issue but nothing I can't work with (my screen is 1:1 ratio so it's the adapter or the phone output). Both the laptop and the phone reported the same external ip.
Using this MHL adapter - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07R0608256
P.S. - I just checked (10/29 - 5pm EST) and it did 1080i output. Not 1080p like some suggest but it may not do that until an actual 1080p video is played. Mine was 1280x960 resolution. There were two other interesting observations made that I thought were good when the MHL adapter was connected.
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(Clarification: Below observations are during video playback using the Video app only!)
1) During video playback TV does output 1:1 resolution (no overscan issue)
2) TV doesn't mirror phone display. Just renders playback so you can use the phone like a remote.
3) Screen doesn't turn off automatically during TV out playback.
Now then the above are for the video app and just to put minds at ease here are for everywhere else.
1) Screen may overscan but it may be resolution or screen ration differences between phone and tv. Mine is 1920x1080 native.
2) The TV will mirror the phone display so you can play your games and what not on the TV (like in the youtube videos showing off the adapters)
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Now then samsung's claim about studdering during MHL TV out? That sounds like bs. I checked cpu usage during the mkv decoding work and it was at 25% at the highest point and that was done by the mediaserver process. The tvoutserver used less than 2% cpu time to do it's work. I connected via adb over wireless which would of been only possible if wifi was working.
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Wifi works fine with my MHL adapter connected. There is a small overscan issue but nothing I can't work with (my screen is 1:1 ratio so it's the adapter or the phone output). Both the laptop and the phone reported the same external ip.
Using this MHL adapter - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07R0608256
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I think that is the same one I ordered. As soon as I get it I will report back how it works for me.
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shinji257 said:
Wifi works fine with my MHL adapter connected. There is a small overscan issue but nothing I can't work with (my screen is 1:1 ratio so it's the adapter or the phone output). Both the laptop and the phone reported the same external ip.
Using this MHL adapter - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07R0608256
P.S. - I just checked (10/29 - 5pm EST) and it did 1080i output. Not 1080p like some suggest but it may not do that until an actual 1080p video is played. Mine was 1280x960 resolution. There were two other interesting observations made that I thought were good when the MHL adapter was connected.
1) During video playback TV does output 1:1 resolution (no overscan issue)
2) TV doesn't mirror phone display. Just renders playback so you can use the phone like a remote.
3) Screen doesn't turn off automatically during TV out playback.
Now then samsung's claim about studdering during MHL TV out? That sounds like bs. I checked cpu usage during the mkv decoding work and it was at 25% at the highest point and that was done by the mediaserver process. The tvoutserver used less than 2% cpu time to do it's work. I connected via adb over wireless which would of been only possible if wifi was working.
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You can't mirror the phone's display? What if I wanted to play a game on my TV - not possible? Does the hdmi out only display video playback?
I just got mine today. It mirrors the display on the phone. It works really well. Picture is way better than the RCA hookup i had for my cappy. WiFi works too. I am watching breaking bad on netflix. Works awesome.
Here is the one I got:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10833&cs_id=1083314&p_id=8675&seq=1&format=2
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You can't mirror the phone's display? What if I wanted to play a game on my TV - not possible? Does the hdmi out only display video playback?
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I was specifically referring to the video app that's included on the phone (the samsung one). It mirrored the display everywhere else including in games so everything that showed on the phone showed on the TV.
owmygulay said:
I just got mine today. It mirrors the display on the phone. It works really well. Picture is way better than the RCA hookup i had for my cappy. WiFi works too. I am watching breaking bad on netflix. Works awesome.
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owmygulay, Can you control your phone with TV remote control (menu navigations, media transport functions, etc.)?
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owmygulay, Can you control your phone with TV remote control (menu navigations, media transport functions, etc.)?
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Nope. None of that. Unless I an doing something wrong. It is just a larger display.
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Nope. None of that. Unless I an doing something wrong. It is just a larger display.
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I had the same experience with other unbranded MHL adapter. The Samsung MHL adapter provides all remote control functions.
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The Samsung MHL adapter provides all remote control functions.
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I didn't know that. Thats pretty sweet. You can plug the phone in, set it down and control everything with the tv remote? How does that work if you have to touch the screen to select stuff. That would be worth the extra cash for the samsung one over the cheap ones.
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I didn't know that. Thats pretty sweet. You can plug the phone in, set it down and control everything with the tv remote? How does that work if you have to touch the screen to select stuff. That would be worth the extra cash for the samsung one over the cheap ones.
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You can use navigation keys from the TV remote to navigate through the phone home pages and program list and select apps with the "Select" button on the remote, but it is impossible to select apps from the dock. It's not as fast as the touch screen , but it is manageable. My Sony TV is two years old, but works well with the Samsung MHL adapter. I borrowed one from my coworker to try, now I'm looking for a good online deal.
owmygulay said:
I just got mine today. It mirrors the display on the phone. It works really well. Picture is way better than the RCA hookup i had for my cappy. WiFi works too. I am watching breaking bad on netflix. Works awesome.
Here is the one I got:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10833&cs_id=1083314&p_id=8675&seq=1&format=2
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I'm the poster in the General forum with this issue. I have the monoprice adapter, and it disables my wifi.
That was stock, so I rooted the phone to disable any tethering app, and wifi is still disabled....did you have to do anything to get this to work?
This is really strange....maybe I should return the monoprice one and get the newegg one.
ferrocene said:
I'm the poster in the General forum with this issue. I have the monoprice adapter, and it disables my wifi.
That was stock, so I rooted the phone to disable any tethering app, and wifi is still disabled....did you have to do anything to get this to work?
This is really strange....maybe I should return the monoprice one and get the newegg one.
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I didn't do anything special. Just plugged it in. They had a couple different ones on monoprice. Did you get the same one I linked? It is the only one that says it will work with the sgs2. Mine works great and the picture quality is pretty good. I would try and just exchange it.
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I didn't do anything special. Just plugged it in. They had a couple different ones on monoprice. Did you get the same one I linked? It is the only one that says it will work with the sgs2. Mine works great and the picture quality is pretty good. I would try and just exchange it.
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Yeah, same one, item # 8675. Will try an exchange.
What ROM are you running? I tried both bare stock and Serendipity.
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Yeah, same one, item # 8675. Will try an exchange.
What ROM are you running? I tried both bare stock and Serendipity.
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I am running unnamed. I think I used it when I was stock though. I can't remember.
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Hi there,
I'm looking for a line-level output for my Galaxy 7.7.
I can't seem to find anything that specifically mentions the 7.7 but have read that the 30 pin Samsung connector is compatible across all devices.
There are line level outputs on eBay (sorry, can't post links yet) that say they work with the galaxy tab P1000 and other galaxy tabs... Will these work with the 7.7?
What I would ideally like is something that will allow me to attach a USB DAC to the device to bypass the Galaxy DAC... but until we get ICS that's not going to happen (and I have my fingers crossed that ICS will actually allow for it)
Thanks,
Paul
NikonUser said:
Hi there,
I'm looking for a line-level output for my Galaxy 7.7.
I can't seem to find anything that specifically mentions the 7.7 but have read that the 30 pin Samsung connector is compatible across all devices.
There are line level outputs on eBay (sorry, can't post links yet) that say they work with the galaxy tab P1000 and other galaxy tabs... Will these work with the 7.7?
What I would ideally like is something that will allow me to attach a USB DAC to the device to bypass the Galaxy DAC... but until we get ICS that's not going to happen (and I have my fingers crossed that ICS will actually allow for it)
Thanks,
Paul
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as of ics 4.0.3 on sgs2 there is still no support for usb dac looking forward to seeing a usb dac working on adroid phones also
I bought something from amazon and got audio out. The video out does not work however. I will send it to you in a PM since this site won't let me post the link due to me having less than 8 posts.
I would absolutely LOVE a feature that bypasses the internal DAC. Is that kind of thing really available via ICS? If so ... I might have just made a mess in my pants
daigled said:
I bought something from amazon and got audio out. The video out does not work however. I will send it to you in a PM since this site won't let me post the link due to me having less than 8 posts.
I would absolutely LOVE a feature that bypasses the internal DAC. Is that kind of thing really available via ICS? If so ... I might have just made a mess in my pants
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Thanks for the link. I will check it out.
You can keep your pants mess free for now. After doing a bit of reading it appears that ICS didn't enable USB host mode for audio like everyone thought it would. It is very high on the list of official feature requests/bug reports on the google code site. If you can find it then go and vote for it. Maybe Google will listen and offer an update soon.
Fingers crossed.
Paul
Ok... you want to output sound from your tablet to other equipment, right? Start by turning the volume down in the tablet, connect the headphones output of the tablet to the input of the device you want, start raising the volume to a little bit under clipping level of your other device, or before you hear distorted sound. When you're done, just start recording or whatever you are trying to do.
Anyway, there's no point to have a digital or high quality audio output in a tablet because they're not designed for that, even if you do it before DAC, your files are compresed (MP3, etc) right? . Do you have an extremely high quality song in your device?, if you do, you're probably a sound engineer, a professional musician or an audiophile and if that's the case you'll transfer the media to a more professional device or a dedicated media player.
For example, those cellphones that have hdmi output, yes is a good idea to connect it to your TV right? now, do you think the video you are playing through it has a great sound quality? NO, specially if it's some internet video... Putting things more simple: the audio quality of the actual media that's coming out your tablet 98% of the time does not have the quality to merit a digital/high end connection.
Now, there's a brand called COWON that has the best sound quality in media players, (Yes, best sound quality by far over Aple, Samsung, Sony, you name it, this is not because I say so, do some research and you'll be surprised) they don't make Tabs sorry. So if you really are concerned about audio quality, you should convert your music to Flac instead of MP3 and go for a device like that, otherwise you are wasting your money in technology when your source doesn't have the quality to match it.
You see what I mean? a Tablet is a portable all in one device, for high end video and sound you need a more dedicated device
Do they have a cellphone or tablet with a hdmi output? what do they have in there? a Bluray movie? it would be soooo compressed that it loses the point of having a HDMI output.... why? because compression equals lower quality. So it's like having a Ferrari with bicycle wheels... Doesn't matter what the vendors tell you, to have a HDMI output in a cellphone it's just ridiculous, and whoever has it they probably use it a couple of times and they forgot about it because there's really no point on that. The only thing I can think of having a HDMI output in a tablet is maybe someone that needs to make a video presentation, maybe through a projector, something like that, and you don't need high end audio for that. The Tablet makers don't care if 1 person out of a million needs it, would you? And... Actually do they really need that? or it's more to impress their girlfriend or a neighbour? F*** That!! Right?
I'm not trying to offend anyone here, I'm just trying to help you understand that it really is pointless....
The technology will evolve eventually and we will have better audio hardware in our tablets.... and a lot more memory to have those HD files that we really can't right now...But by then,,,, are you going to enjoy that quality in a $14.99 headphones?
With all this I'm not saying be happy with the crappy sound your device could have. I actually returned a few days ago a Galaxy Player 4.0 because I didn't like it's sound quality, I'm buying (when it comes out) a Cowon Z2..... can't wait. (if I have the money by then)
Take care guys, I hope I helped a least a little...
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Ok... you want to output sound from your tablet to other equipment, right?
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Right.
Dusko75 said:
Start by turning the volume down in the tablet, connect the headphones output of the tablet to the input of the device you want, start raising the volume to a little bit under clipping level of your other device, or before you hear distorted sound. When you're done, just start recording or whatever you are trying to do.
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The whole idea of getting a line-level output would be to bypass the internal (low quality) amp of the tablet and NOT have to play around with the volume trying to avoid clipping etc
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Anyway, there's no point to have a digital or high quality audio output in a tablet because they're not designed for that, even if you do it before DAC, your files are compresed (MP3, etc) right? .
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Eer, no. They are uncompressed FLAC files.
Maybe there is no point in YOUR tablet having a digital or high quality output... but that is NOT the case for me. Ideally I would like to hook the tablet up to an external DAC and/or Headphone amp (ideally a DAC and amp) and using it as a highly mobile, high quality source to listen to some high-end headphones for when I am away from home for a while.
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Do you have an extremely high quality song in your device?, if you do, you're probably a sound engineer, a professional musician or an audiophile and if that's the case you'll transfer the media to a more professional device or a dedicated media player.
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Yes I do, and no I am not a sound engineer or a pro musician. I wouldn't consider myself an audiophile either, but I do enjoy audio and would like to do so when I am away from my home setup.
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For example, those cellphones that have hdmi output, yes is a good idea to connect it to your TV right? now, do you think the video you are playing through it has a great sound quality? NO, specially if it's some internet video... Putting things more simple: the audio quality of the actual media that's coming out your tablet 98% of the time does not have the quality to merit a digital/high end connection.
Now, there's a brand called COWON that has the best sound quality in media players, (Yes, best sound quality by far over Aple, Samsung, Sony, you name it, this is not because I say so, do some research and you'll be surprised) they don't make Tabs sorry. So if you really are concerned about audio quality, you should convert your music to Flac instead of MP3 and go for a device like that, otherwise you are wasting your money in technology when your source doesn't have the quality to match it.
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OK... I used to have a COWON D2. It was great. I now have a tablet and don't want to carry around heaps of devices and associated chargers if possible.
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You see what I mean? a Tablet is a portable all in one device, for high end
video and sound you need a more dedicated device
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No you don't. If Google would enable us to attach a USB DAC via a software update then you wouldn't need anything more than a tablet and good quality files. Failing that a line-out that bypasses the internal amp would suffice for most.
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Do they have a cellphone or tablet with a hdmi output? what do they have in there? a Bluray movie? it would be soooo compressed that it loses the point of having a HDMI output.... why? because compression equals lower quality. So it's like having a Ferrari with bicycle wheels... Doesn't matter what the vendors tell you, to have a HDMI output in a cellphone it's just ridiculous, and whoever has it they probably use it a couple of times and they forgot about it because there's really no point on that. The only thing I can think of having a HDMI output in a tablet is maybe someone that needs to make a video presentation, maybe through a projector, something like that, and you don't need high end audio for that. The Tablet makers don't care if 1 person out of a million needs it, would you? And... Actually do they really need that? or it's more to impress their girlfriend or a neighbour? F*** That!! Right?
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With high capacity storage cards it is very possible to fit a couple of uncompressed bluray movies on your phone... or even more if you compress them. You can get VERY high quality movies to fit in 5-10GB of space these days. Although I don't have a use for it, I can certainly see how people might want to hook up a phone to a big TV and watch a movie via HDMI in GREAT quality.
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I'm not trying to offend anyone here, I'm just trying to help you understand that it really is pointless....
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Certainly no offence taken here, although I think you haven't really thought about all the possibilities that all the users of tablets and phones around the world might need.
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The technology will evolve eventually and we will have better audio hardware in our tablets.... and a lot more memory to have those HD files that we really can't right now...But by then,,,, are you going to enjoy that quality in a $14.99 headphones?
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With a digital output or bypassing the little internal amplifier the quality right now is just fine. You can fit plenty on a 64GB storage card.
My headphones cost more than 30x the price you quoted.
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With all this I'm not saying be happy with the crappy sound your device could have. I actually returned a few days ago a Galaxy Player 4.0 because I didn't like it's sound quality, I'm buying (when it comes out) a Cowon Z2..... can't wait. (if I have the money by then)
Take care guys, I hope I helped a least a little...
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Not really, but thanks for taking the time to reply.
Paul
Eer, I did mention about FLAC files (yes uncompressed). mmmm.. If I'm going to to attach some other devices to extract and process the digital audio from my tab I rather use a good media player for that and wait till the audio Hardware of the (future) tabs gets to a decent level. (And yes, I know what you mean with extracting the digital signal before DAC).
I like to have different specific devices for different things. I hope that tomorrow they really get into making great sound quality hardware for this android devices (that goes to I-pod-pad too) like Cowon does, in the meantime I'm happy with other devices to get the job done. Probably that's why what you are trying to do doesn't make sense to me having so many other and better options. But as you said, that's ME.
Ironically Cowon already got into Android, but there has to be something in its hardware that makes it the best. (I don't know if its JetEffects is hardware/software or only software).
I think the big difference here is that I don't see myself doing that kind of thing with a tablet, I rather use something else. That doesn't mean I can't change my mind in the future with the (almost) everyday newer and newer technology....
Am I right and you are wrong? NO, we're both right with the way we want to do our stuff, as long as we are happy with our results.
Nice talking/discussing with you.
Someone posted this in another forum, that'll work for you if your other device supports HDMI.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005TLKR1C/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
I posted these questions in AT/T forum but got no answer probs due to lack of consumers actually using the official adaptor, so would love to ask u guys here since im really aiming at using the cable for presentations etc (and spent 50 dollars on it);
1) How do i fix the borders cut off in landscape mode when connected to TV?? If u look at youtube videos every user regardless of TVs have the screen bit cut off even thou phone's resolution is 16:9 720p?
2) Why does it display in 1080p not 720p (screen on galaxy s3 is 720p)? (my laptop using same hdmi cable without adaptor shows as 720p on TV) id like to be able to adjust it
3) My galaxy s3 heats up to 55 Celsius when playing with the phone and mirroring games. Is this normal? (although my alienware laptop heats up same also when connected to TV)
4) There is a abit of a lag between TV and a phone, the phone also seems to lag more when connected to TV (my laptop doesnt experience this)
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Most TVs default mode is to cut off the borders, I find that odd with HDTV because it's digitial. With the analog TVs they would cut off a little border because the edges of the signal weren't always of the best quality, and it makes the picture look a little "bigger" too. On my Samsung TV there is a "P.Size" button (picture size I presume), and I push that until "screen fit" comes up, which shows the full image. On other TVs I've heard using the HDMI port labeled for PC/laptops will come by default setup to not cut the borders, if it's not labeled that way it's normally the port that shares or is right next to the DVI port.
I have the 1080p display issue with the horrible lag as you've seen. If you come across a solution let me know, because it drives me nuts and some games are basically unplayable which is one of the major reasons I got my MHL adapter. For videos and web it works well enough, since a video isn't interactive you don't notice the delay.
The heating up is probably normal, a phone a very dense compared to a PC and doesn't have fans like a PC has, and I bet the display cloning and charging takes up a bit of power.
Just got my new sammy tv with mhl support and more stuff, but have the same problem as you guys. Choppy playback at 1080p30, that really sucks. It shall be at 1080p60. I will give it a try with the other 2 hdmi slots, maybe it will work then. If not, I'm screwed and have to sell my hdmi-mhl-adaptor -.-'''
Really not cool and I cant explain it to myself, why it shouldnt work ((
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Just got my new sammy tv with mhl support and more stuff, but have the same problem as you guys. Choppy playback at 1080p30, that really sucks. It shall be at 1080p60. I will give it a try with the other 2 hdmi slots, maybe it will work then. If not, I'm screwed and have to sell my hdmi-mhl-adaptor -.-'''
Really not cool and I cant explain it to myself, why it shouldnt work ((
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It seems max output is 1080p30, yet the phone is really nice and smooth on a tv with 720p or 1080i, as it's 60hz. Really annoying that there aren't any settings for the HDMI output to simply select an output resolution!
Althought the thread title is quite straight, I would like to give up some info (can be used as "valuable experience" for someone else...) regarding MHL interface, wich has really dissapointed me.
I have installed AOKP Jelly Bean ROM (wich I think is the BEST ROM ever, due to its speed, and customizability), and bought an original MHL cable from Samsung, obviously SGh-i777 friendly.
When I plugged the phone to the TV AND to the wall charger, I sat down very enthusiastic in front of my LED screen to see what happens...
But after 4 o 5 hours of staring at the "No signal" sign, I started to think that something was not right.
After a quick check on XDA, I learnt that AOKP nor CM9 are MHL active, so I nearly panicked.... I was time for a ROM change.
Anyway, I contacted one of the AOKP developers asking if was any update on that particular issue, and told me that He wasn't working actively on AOKP for SII anymore, only doing some updates (my cell phone got heart broken...) because the best ROM ever had an Achilles heel.
Now Im using a very nice ROM called Aberration, wich is Touchwiz based (and MHL compatible), with a smooth operation and almost no crashes (only thing I miss is the extreme customizability, but whatever...).
And now, regarding the title, when I plug on the MHL, the TV shows the phone screen (the phone DOES NOT turns to landscape mode) in portrait, wich is look pretty good. But when you try to: play games, stream TV from internet OR watch downloades movies, the quality is veeeeery poor, compared to the laptop HDMI output port (strangely, setting the output in the PC to 720p looks better than 1080p...)
The TV doesnt show how much resolution is getting in the HDMI port, so Im stuck there. Below, the questions:
1) Does YOUR MHL interfaces show a pixelated image on the TV? (Specially on movies...). Mine does, large sized pixels.
2) Can be possible that the phone looks better than the TV?? Im using a 1080p HDMI cable...
3) Is there any way to change MHL output resolution (in the phone) with an app or a custom ROm?
4) It is possible that someone tell me that his/her MHL looks 10 times better than mine and how can I do it??
Thanks A LOT, and I hope you dont have much trouble helping a noob with "Tarzanic" English (from Argentina...)
Kind Regards
I have watched a couple of movies on mine. The first movie was very pixilated. The second movie I watched was fine. I believe the pixilation to have been the quality of the movie file. The only other problem I have is that when I use Netflix it doesn't display on my TV in a 16x9 format. Rather I get two black bars on on the left one on the right of my wide screen while my phone displays in a wide screen.
I hate to post this as I might get flamed for not flashing my phone with a custom rom but I am running a stock SII on 4.0.3.
Thoughts
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I have watched a couple of movies on mine. The first movie was very pixilated. The second movie I watched was fine. I believe the pixilation to have been the quality of the movie file. The only other problem I have is that when I use Netflix it doesn't display on my TV in a 16x9 format. Rather I get two black bars on on the left one on the right of my wide screen while my phone displays in a wide screen.
I hate to post this as I might get flamed for not flashing my phone with a custom rom but I am running a stock SII on 4.0.3.
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Rather than flamed, I would say thank you for being the only answer until now...
Besides, the fact that you are not running a custom ROM is a great reference for me (because if your quality is better than mine, so MHL works better on stock ROM...)
So, putting movies aside for a moment, your overall image quality (for example, gallery) looks in the TV as good as in the phone? Or you can see some differences?
Thk U and regards
It looks much the same as the phone. The phone probably looks a little bit better as the screen is smaller. I would say to try different source files. ie mkv vs xvid, or standard mp4 files to see if the pixilation is different for different formats as apposed to a rom problem before I went flashing different roms.
To answer your question though the screen on my TV doesn't pixilate when doing anything except when running a low quality file. Screen transisition when flipping from one screen to another is a little bit delayed, but looks just as good on the TV as on the phone. Pictures display well.
Thanks!!
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It looks much the same as the phone. The phone probably looks a little bit better as the screen is smaller. I would say to try different source files. ie mkv vs xvid, or standard mp4 files to see if the pixilation is different for different formats as apposed to a rom problem before I went flashing different roms.
To answer your question though the screen on my TV doesn't pixilate when doing anything except when running a low quality file. Screen transisition when flipping from one screen to another is a little bit delayed, but looks just as good on the TV as on the phone. Pictures display well.
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Okey, thanks for the advice. I was testing on streaming content from the web, now I will see how it works on stored files.
Last thought, did you try it with games? I tested a couple of HD games and still looking the same: little pixelation on TV, none on screen (but now I agree with your opinion of smaller screen --> better qualiy).
Kind regards
Never tried it with any games. Pixilation in streaming content could be a network bottleneck. Definitely try locally stored files on the phone and see what you get.
I have an inexpensive MHL adapter I purchased from ebay for my Samsung Galaxy S2 SkyRocket. I found when I stream a movie from the nextflix app to the TV it's very pixelated but streaming the same movie from a laptop with HDMI out gives a much better picture.
Is this an issue with the MHL being inexpensive?
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I have an inexpensive MHL adapter I purchased from ebay for my Samsung Galaxy S2 SkyRocket. I found when I stream a movie from the nextflix app to the TV it's very pixelated but streaming the same movie from a laptop with HDMI out gives a much better picture.
Is this an issue with the MHL being inexpensive?
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This isn't a skyrocket forum firstly. Secondly don't bump old threads . Go over to the skyrocket forum and they'll be able to help you better. Best of luck
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This isn't a skyrocket forum firstly. Secondly don't bump old threads . Go over to the skyrocket forum and they'll be able to help you better. Best of luck
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Lay off the guy man. He's asking a question related to the topic!
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I don't believe it is your adapter I believe it is the app it's self. When using the Netflix app I get bad quality over my mhl, but if I stream a good quality mkv file the quality displayed on the tv is fine.
The mhl adapter is a digital adapter. 1s and 0s are 1s and 0s this is the same reason not to buy the 100 dollar hdmi cable the sales person at your local electronics store is trying to sell you go for the 3 dollar cable you found on ebay.
At least the guy did some searching and posted in an existing thread and didn't create another thread covering the same topic.
Let's keep in mind he has a skyrocket. Which in the end is a different phone. so when the next sky rocket owner asks a question related to this on Google he'll be led here. Which is NOT the skyrocket forum. And then while he's here he'll flash a ROM, brick his device, and make a new thread. Its a viscous cycle Lol.
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Let's keep in mind he has a skyrocket. Which in the end is a different phone. so when the next sky rocket owner asks a question related to this on Google he'll be led here. Which is NOT the skyrocket forum. And then while he's here he'll flash a ROM, brick his device, and make a new thread. Its a viscous cycle Lol.
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Assuming a lot there
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I'm sure the Netflix app has an invisible setting to stream a certain quality depending on screen size. Or maybe all mobile devices have a certain resolution/bit rate, which is probably low enough to look like crap on a larger TV screen.
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