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I recently acquired both an X and an X2. Have to keep one and sell the other. I just moved from the Incredible, which has awesome development, so I'm a little spoiled.
Seems that the X is a little further along the development cycle (makes sense), but I REALLY like the screen, CPU, and GPU of the X2.
Do I keep the X2 and hope for more development (really wanting CM7 or MIUI), or do I keep the X, which already has some pretty stable ROMs? I worry that many of the Devs are just going to bypass the X2 and move on to a more dev-friendly device or on to the Bionic or something.
Please help me decide which to hold on to!! Incidently, I don't have to sell one off for another week or two, so there is a little more time to see if CM7 can come out for the X2 I guess.
I don't see much happening with the x2 honestly. I'll be selling my x2 once the galaxy s2 arrives unless we get a break in development on this phone.
SE7EN- said:
I don't see much happening with the x2 honestly. I'll be selling my x2 once the galaxy s2 arrives
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Good im pretty sure the devs hate ungrateful people. There is alot happening on this phone. Only thing we are missing is the bootloader.
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EvilTim said:
Good im pretty sure the devs hate ungrateful people. There is alot happening on this phone. Only thing we are missing is the bootloader.
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I Hate Ungrateful People, I Am So Happy And Appreciative For Everything Anyone Does ForThis Phone. I Try To Help Out By Either Providing New Information Or Helping Someone Figure Things Out So They Hold Onto The X2. This Device Definitely Needs Support To Sway Developers To Wanna Put Their Time In. Once Again Thank You To Everyone Who Has/Is Working On This To Make It Better For All.
its funny to me everyone keeps talking about switching from a new device to something even newer as if support for that will be any better every device takes time I'm sticking with x2 at least for another 5-6 months.
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Guys, I'm completely new to both the X and the X2. I have no prior experience with either device, nor do I have a bias. I have read enough on all the various forums to see the hatred for one or both phones. Point is, I can only keep one of these bad boys. Like them both. Just hoping someone with more inside knowledge than myself can give me a better indication on future development potential.
From my fresh perspective on both of these phones, it is clear that the X has already had significant development (I love CM7 and MIUI Roms from my Incredible), and it seems like a gamble to hold onto the X2 because it may OR may not get to that point. Does this sound about right?? Again, not hating on either phone or community. This wasn't intended to be an "I'm moving on" thread. It's a "help me choose" thread. Thanks.
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Guys, I'm completely new to both the X and the X2. I have no prior experience with either device, nor do I have a bias. I have read enough on all the various forums to see the hatred for one or both phones. Point is, I can only keep one of these bad boys. Like them both. Just hoping someone with more inside knowledge than myself can give me a better indication on future development potential.
From my fresh perspective on both of these phones, it is clear that the X has already had significant development (I love CM7 and MIUI Roms from my Incredible), and it seems like a gamble to hold onto the X2 because it may OR may not get to that point. Does this sound about right?? Again, not hating on either phone or community. This wasn't intended to be an "I'm moving on" thread. It's a "help me choose" thread. Thanks.
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CM7 And BAMF Are Coming To The X2 "Soon"
It's Gonna Be A Couple More Weeks At LEAST Before We Are To See Either A Beta Or Stable Rom. I Hope That Clarifies What You Want To Know.
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CM7 And BAMF Are Coming To The X2 "Soon"
It's Gonna Be A Couple More Weeks At LEAST Before We Are To See Either A Beta Or Stable Rom. I Hope That Clarifies What You Want To Know.
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It does help some. It seems that one dev working on CM7 is needing some help though, and not getting it. That's what I'm reading into the posts anyway. No disrespect to the dev who's working on it. I just know that these things seem to require multiple devs working on teams. So if you can tell me definitively that CM7 will come, I'm a happy camper.
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It does help some. It seems that one dev working on CM7 is needing some help though, and not getting it. That's what I'm reading into the posts anyway. No disrespect to the dev who's working on it. I just know that these things seem to require multiple devs working on teams. So if you can tell me definitively that CM7 will come, I'm a happy camper.
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One Thing You Really Need To Understand There Is Nothing Definite With Developing. It Can Take Numerous Trial And Errors Before Done Or It May Never Happen At All.
we should all be happy that moto surprisingly did an awesome job with the GB update, it added so much polish that was lacking in previous builds and helped speed up our phones greatly. If you want MIUI so bad, there is a launcher that mimics MIUI ROM This phone has only been popular for like 2 months, that is NOT enough time for any development to happen lol so just get Rooted GB, Freeze Bloat, Supercharge this bad boy and if you want to run the MIUI Launcher and have one of the fastest phones on the market
It's really a no-brainer. The X2 is way above the X in performance. IMHO, it's the best phone that Verizon sells, unless you really must have 4G service. Both phones have the lousy Blur interface, but you can customize them, as you know, with aftermarket launchers and programs. Both phones have locked bootloaders, so not a lot of development.
There has recently been some increased development interest in the X2, however. Gingerbread (2.3.3) is the most recent OS, and there is now a pre-rooted version of Gingerbread readily available. As for ROMs, "Eclipse" is well liked and seems to be extremely well thought out. Most recent edition has done away with most of the Blur interface. More details here.
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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Well that was rather immature and "toolish" ... just don't post if your feelings are that negative
On another note, I would say to keep the X2. It is a more powerful in all aspects.
X2 is one badass piece of hardware. Period.
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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If the clown can find time to reprimand me for being helpful and using another word for excrement, where is he when all this guy posts is Flamebait?
On topic, if you want cm7, stay with the x. If you can wait, keep your x2
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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Oh come on guys, this was by FAR the most useful reply I got
Seriously though, thanks for the input for those who actually took time to post something meaningful. I know the X2 is a great piece of hardware, but my rooted Incredible running AOSP was actually faster and more responsive than this thing is right now, so I guess I'm suffering from some withdrawl. I'll root, debloat, supercharge, etc and see how it goes. I'll probably hold on to the X2 and hope for the best because I'd hate to be kicking myself a month from now when CM7 and then MIUI get unleashed. Surely those two ROMs running on this hardware will perform better than my Incredible, not to mention better than the original X.
Of course, if development completely halts in a month then I'll probably just beat my head and cry for what might have been, had I kept the original X. Time will tell. I.....must.......be.........patient.............
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Oh come on guys, this was by FAR the most useful reply I got
Seriously though, thanks for the input for those who actually took time to post something meaningful. I know the X2 is a great piece of hardware, but my rooted Incredible running AOSP was actually faster and more responsive than this thing is right now, so I guess I'm suffering from some withdrawl. I'll root, debloat, supercharge, etc and see how it goes. I'll probably hold on to the X2 and hope for the best because I'd hate to be kicking myself a month from now when CM7 and then MIUI get unleashed. Surely those two ROMs running on this hardware will perform better than my Incredible, not to mention better than the original X.
Of course, if development completely halts in a month then I'll probably just beat my head and cry for what might have been, had I kept the original X. Time will tell. I.....must.......be.........patient.............
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I'm stuck with the phone for the next 18 months, so I won't let it die! How many possble character combinations could there be for the unlock code?
WOW, well the people who are complaining and moaning about not seeing much happening are welcome to leave, nitroglycerine is doing great things with what hes got and CM7 will be a gateway, I'd stick with the X2, it's got tons of potential and is definitely a top of the line device but everything that needs to be done won't just happen overnight, I would suggest hanging in there.
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WOW, well the people who are complaining and moaning about not seeing much happening are welcome to leave, nitroglycerine is doing great things with what hes got and CM7 will be a gateway, I'd stick with the X2, it's got tons of potential and is definitely a top of the line device but everything that needs to be done won't just happen overnight, I would suggest hanging in there.
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Agreed. As more development gets done more developers will get onboard, hopefully. And sooner or later, the bootloader will get cracked & then the fun starts. You'd kick yourself for missing that...& don't forget navendrob, thatdudebutch(team bamf ) & dragonzkiller are working on good things for us too.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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This is the same thing that happened to the atrix, well there quite a lot of activity there but can't really do much coz of a locked tegra. And motor work realese the source for it and the phone is almost a year old.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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thanks buddy......
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thanks buddy......
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My sentiments exactly. The same devs that had faith in this device are still here, they haven't gone anywhere. They have actually been working harder than ever.
I will admit though, other than a couple of key threads the RAZR forum has started to bore me. It certainly doesn't have the liveliness that say the Nexus forum does.
Moto stated with ICS we would see the bootloader unlocked, lets at least wait till then and see if it happens. If it doesn't, then I guess we will do whatever it is we need to do.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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My feelings exactly.
I hear you OP. I share the same thoughts with you. But I don't think an locked boot loader should cause any stop in dev. Not every one is flashing their phone on a daily basis. Not every one is changing their kernel like changing clothes.
In SDK there is library for Razr and I am writing apps specifically for my Razr. We can do hell lots of stuff here even.
There is hope and a mediocre dev like me. Haha. Lets be more constructive and at least help and promote apps dev on this phone.
If anyone here are writing for Razr and better than me (almost every dev) pls lets connect and let me learn from y'all.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
1 - The replacement is the SAME PHONE. It just has a bigger battery.
2 - You can root the phone, there's init.d available, and there are several basic roms out there. You should have never bought this phone if mod'ing is so important to you.
There's a lot of activity at droidrzr.com, and once ICS hits there will be a lot of good stuff out there. For many reasons, this is the best phone I've had. It would be great to have an unlocked bootloader, but for what I need the phone to do I could care less.
Motorola is working on the ICS port to the RAZR. They've already ported to the Xoom tablet. They will release the RAZR port eventually, having learned much from their earlier work and the problems being experienced with the early releases of ICS on the Galaxy Nexis. I believe it is in their interest to produce a port that enhances their flagship phone.
Meanwhile, the Devs seem stuck because of the locked bootloader on the RAZR. So maybe instead of trying to develop workarounds, their time is better spent working with ICS on the Nexis. Then when the Moto port for the RAZR arrives, the Devs can return their attention to the RAZR, having learned a lot from the Nexis, and perhaps having less work to do overall to create killer ROMs for the RAZR given the new platform. An unlocked bootloader on RAZR ICS would be ICSing on the cake.
So im still debating of getting a razor since the maxx came out however i still havent found something that the razor is better in from the nexus. As right now i just know the razor has better signal and sound/call quality (call quality i could careless about as i dont call that much). The very very main thing thats keeping me away from the razor is the locked bootloader and the possibility of a dev-dead device. ICS, not a big deal razor will get it eventually. So back to the main thing, what is there about the razor that is "WOW OMFG" over the nexus? CPU? GPU? Im super frustrated over this as verizon has only 1 exchange and i do not wanna screw it up.
Build Quality.
The droid RAZR has one of the best hardware specifications in the market, however there are some phones which got better hardware like Galaxy Note for example.
But the WOW about the droid RAZR which I couldn't find in any other android phone is it's build quality and it's solid feel. It's so sexy. Kelvar fabrics on the back, gorilla glass on the front, coating around the hardware which protects it from water, amazingly thin. I love my RAZR
Along with it's smart acessories, just check the look on your friends when you attach you're phone to the laptop dock and start using it as your laptop.
When I used to compare my previous android phones with iPhone I used to feel that my phone is cheaper.
With the RAZR you wont get that feeling.
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So im still debating of getting a razor since the maxx came out however i still havent found something that the razor is better in from the nexus. As right now i just know the razor has better signal and sound/call quality (call quality i could careless about as i dont call that much). The very very main thing thats keeping me away from the razor is the locked bootloader and the possibility of a dev-dead device. ICS, not a big deal razor will get it eventually. So back to the main thing, what is there about the razor that is "WOW OMFG" over the nexus? CPU? GPU? Im super frustrated over this as verizon has only 1 exchange and i do not wanna screw it up.
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It's comments like this that kill the internet, if you have an opinion share it. If not, bugger off. I'm pretty sure people know how to google, they got here, right?
ANYWAY, back on the topic:
Hardware wise - the only thing the Gnex has that the RAZR doesn't is NFC and a slightly curved screen. The Gnex's camera is only 5mp I belive, whereas the RAZR's is 8 - So hardwarewise, I'd go with the RAZR
Feeling - like stated, the RAZR feels solid and amazing in your hands. It's a little big (some people's thumbs cant reach all the way across), but for most that isn't a deal breaker. The curve of the Gnex literally does nothing for me. and the Gnex kinda has that plasticy feel that does make it seem cheap.
Software - yes Gnex has ICS, and as everyone knows, the RAZR is poised toget it. BUT Gingerbread right now isn't too shabby on it. The RAZR has the best stock OS I've seen. I actually have turned down ROMs because the stock is sexy, sleek and works very well with the device.
Hackability - This is the sad part for me.
The Gnex has an unlocked bootloader and some pretty amazing ROMs already.
Moto seems hellbent on not unlocking the bootloader, so ROM development has to get creative on the RAZR, there's some great ROMs, but they're "fun" to build and implement.
Hope that helps a little.
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i can bet 50$ right on the table that 80% if not all your 128 post are like this, pointless and useless. I am looking for a user experience, opinion not **** google provides. So please get a life and quit posting dumb things around and clutter the forums. Im surprised you still haven't gotten banned.
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It's comments like this that kill the internet, if you have an opinion share it. If not, bugger off. I'm pretty sure people know how to google, they got here, right?
ANYWAY, back on the topic:
Hardware wise - the only thing the Gnex has that the RAZR doesn't is NFC and a slightly curved screen. The Gnex's camera is only 5mp I belive, whereas the RAZR's is 8 - So hardwarewise, I'd go with the RAZR
Feeling - like stated, the RAZR feels solid and amazing in your hands. It's a little big (some people's thumbs cant reach all the way across), but for most that isn't a deal breaker. The curve of the Gnex literally does nothing for me. and the Gnex kinda has that plasticy feel that does make it seem cheap.
Software - yes Gnex has ICS, and as everyone knows, the RAZR is poised toget it. BUT Gingerbread right now isn't too shabby on it. The RAZR has the best stock OS I've seen. I actually have turned down ROMs because the stock is sexy, sleek and works very well with the device.
Hackability - This is the sad part for me.
The Gnex has an unlocked bootloader and some pretty amazing ROMs already.
Moto seems hellbent on not unlocking the bootloader, so ROM development has to get creative on the RAZR, there's some great ROMs, but they're "fun" to build and implement.
Hope that helps a little.
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thank you for the neat rightup. got me leaning now towards the razr maxx. I release now how cheap the nexus is.
I originally purchased the RAZR on release day, and really liked it. But the inner hacker in me was let down. Until recently there was no SBF file, and only one ROM for it (for the Verizon RAZR), and no unlocked bootloader. So I gave it to the wife and bought myself a Galaxy Nexus. And it pacifies the inner hacker, being VERY difficult to brick. I truly like both. If you want a phone that is aesthetically pleasing, feels like granite, but you arent too in to messing with it, then the RAZR is for you. If you want to overclock it until it bleeds electrons and try out ROM after ROM after ROM, then the GNex is for you.
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i can bet 50$ right on the table that 80% if not all your 128 post are like this, pointless and useless. I am looking for a user experience, opinion not **** google provides. So please get a life and quit posting dumb things around and clutter the forums. Im surprised you still haven't gotten banned.
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Calm down, sport. You owe me $50.
The RAZR overall has better specs. So in the long run, when it get ICS, it'll be better than Nexus. Hope that helps; dry up those tears.
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There is at least 8 different roms for the RAZR over at droidrzr.com they have alot of exclusive content... there is now an alpha build of cm9 that kicks @ss! So if the locked bootloader is stopping you, it isn't stopping our devoted developers
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I run a group on Yahoo. We have archives going back to 1996. But when someone asks a question that has been asked many times before, we answer it. Because we are a community, and we help and support one another, and the answer may be different now than it was then. This is in part a social place, so let's be sociable and help one another. It will pay dividends in the long run.
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There is at least 8 different roms for the RAZR over at droidrzr.com they have alot of exclusive content... there is now an alpha build of cm9 that kicks @ss! So if the locked bootloader is stopping you, it isn't stopping our devoted developers
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If there is a alpha build of cm9 for the razr, I'm sold. Picking one up the maxx first thing tmr. Thank you guys.
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Why did you even bother to post this? I never understand how people can be so *****y. Did you just get out of bed this morning and say to yourself, "gee, i'm going to go get on my computer and read the RAZR XDA forums and see if i can find a posts where i can seem like a smartass" I hate myself for even replying to this, but hopefully the flaming you get will make you think again before doing so.
As for the question at hand...
Having had both, i like the RAZR better. ICS seems buggy and nexus is going to be a vanilla phone. I for one hate AOSP and that's what you get, no bells and whistles. It feels bigger, wierd and looks ugly to me. Webtop is something that i use daily and 3 co-workers have bought a razr because of just seeing my phone. nobody even game my Nexus a second look.
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Why did you even bother to post this? I never understand how people can be so *****y. Did you just get out of bed this morning and say to yourself, "gee, i'm going to go get on my computer and read the RAZR XDA forums and see if i can find a posts where i can seem like a smartass" I hate myself for even replying to this, but hopefully the flaming you get will make you think again before doing so.
As for the question at hand...
Having had both, i like the RAZR better. ICS seems buggy and nexus is going to be a vanilla phone. I for one hate AOSP and that's what you get, no bells and whistles. It feels bigger, wierd and looks ugly to me. Webtop is something that i use daily and 3 co-workers have bought a razr because of just seeing my phone. nobody even game my Nexus a second look.
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I oversee and manage programmers for a living. So it must be my "look it up" views kicking in. Sorry. I think.
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I oversee and manage programmers for a living. So it must be my "look it up" views kicking in. Sorry. I think.
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an apology goes a long way here. We appreciate that.
Just a note to that. I'm a senior programmer and what makes me that is not just how awesome my skills are, but how well I teach it to others. I'm bombarded by novice questions all the time and many times i have to repeat myself in the same answer. But its more than just being nice, it grows the company for me to share even if it pains me. A prosperous company will circle back to prosper me. I could answer "didn't i tell you that last week, or Check your email, it was emailed a month ago to the group" but that will just make them not to want to ask, learn, and eventually I will be the only one that knows how to do it. Which is not good for anyone.
If people who ask novice questions here are put off, they will leave. If they learn, perhaps they can learn enough to become developers and perhaps give you the next greatest ROM here. At least that's how i think of it.
I apologize myself for elaborating, but on the surface it appears as two wrongs. Thought it was worth the explanation as to why we came down on you too. Good to see we all see the bigger picture here.
No one has mentioned the web top yet. That is a big feature for me.
There are also some awesome devs working on this phone at droidrzr and they have been cranking out the ROMs over the last month. There is a pretty good variety including ICS
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Intesting Question.
There is no doubt that the Razr has a superior build quality. I have the Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket and judging from the build of the SII the Razr if far superior, as far as design the SII is a bit generic since this design is starting to be dated. The Razr has an interesting design somewhat staying away from the rectangle that Apple is trying to lay claim to. The Razr seems very solid in feel and I notice no creaks, or loose fitting parts. Trust me I've had 2 Razrs both was returned to Rogers and the Third I'm using as a spare at the moment. All three had a really good build quality, aside from that OS has somewhat of an issue. What I did notice is that I believe the software has something to do with the Random shutdowns and the second one just dieing. The Third one has been sent to repair and has been reflashed, having the phone on for 2 days I had no random reboot or shutdown so far. It looks as thought build is great but os or firmware has issues.
And here i am. Didnt feel like waiting till tmr so i went out and go it today. I dont know what i was thinking picking up the nexus. Well i have some studing to do on how to root, flash. Thank you guys for convincing me to go with the razr. Its one great device, i already love it like i did my atrix 4g.
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Aside from what i read so far.
*Smart actions - auto turn on vibrate when i get to work, church etc. Reminx me to charge battery, save battery etc.
*motocast - i access or stream files from my home server like they were on my phone. Personal cloud!
Loud speakerphone - pretty important to me.
And moto accessories can't be beat.
I couldn't go back to a normal car dock. The built in car software that is triggered by the dock is amazing.
Webtop laptop option and more
The Gnex has non of the above.
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No one has mentioned the web top yet. That is a big feature for me.
There are also some awesome devs working on this phone at droidrzr and they have been cranking out the ROMs over the last month. There is a pretty good variety including ICS
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Very Good point as well. Although I don't use the webtop - that is certainly a selling point for the RAZR.
I'm rather new(6 months in) to the scene of flashing roms and sbf'ing and scripting and this sort of stuff. My question is this, since the Razr is Motorola's latest creation and it is said to be getting ICS starting today with an update, will this update play any role in possible development for a full blown ICS AOSP based rom (similar to CM7, I would guess) but with the elements of ICS all in one place. Without having to piece it all together to just look like ICS. Any insight on this would be cool to hear. I'm just curious, and can't upgrade until 2013
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-David
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I'm rather new(6 months in) to the scene of flashing roms and sbf'ing and scripting and this sort of stuff. My question is this, since the Razr is Motorola's latest creation and it is said to be getting ICS starting today with an update, will this update play any role in possible development for a full blown ICS AOSP based rom (similar to CM7, I would guess) but with the elements of ICS all in one place. Without having to piece it all together to just look like ICS. Any insight on this would be cool to hear. I'm just curious, and can't upgrade until 2013
Thanks.
-David
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sir, first off you posted on the wrong forum, dx2 android dev, i ask a mod to move this to general
and tbh, i have no idea if this would affect us, but i do know the razr has an omap ti chip compared to our ****ty, locked down tegra2
I thought about where to post this and development seemed suitable. Sorry if I broke some rules or something, it just seemed like it might get more attention here being a development question and not just a general question.
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I thought about where to post this and development seemed suitable. Sorry if I broke some rules or something, it just seemed like it might get more attention here being a development question and not just a general question.
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which i fully understand, sir, but i dont think the razr will help us much, because of the chipset
I guess I should have clarified more, now that I think about it, I was thinking more like, would it be possible to take the pieces out of the ICS rom for the RAZR and some how incorporate them into the one of our current roms? Just different elements of the SBF file or systemui.apk. Like I said, I could be blowing smoke and sound completely ignorant about the topic, but I'm just gathering thoughts is all. And please, no need to call me sir. I'm a noob here. lol
-David
it is my understanding that the Razr got ICS by searching project CHEESECAKE
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I guess I should have clarified more, now that I think about it, I was thinking more like, would it be possible to take the pieces out of the ICS rom for the RAZR and some how incorporate them into the one of our current roms? Just different elements of the SBF file or systemui.apk. Like I said, I could be blowing smoke and sound completely ignorant about the topic, but I'm just gathering thoughts is all. And please, no need to call me sir. I'm a noob here. lol
-David
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This is kinda sorta what Dragonzkiller is doing with CM9 except he isn't pulling things directly from other systems.
I don't know how much alike the phones are but I'm willing to bet that at the very least the razrs framework might be worth glancing at.
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unt0uchable said:
I'm rather new(6 months in) to the scene of flashing roms and sbf'ing and scripting and this sort of stuff. My question is this, since the Razr is Motorola's latest creation and it is said to be getting ICS starting today with an update, will this update play any role in possible development for a full blown ICS AOSP based rom (similar to CM7, I would guess) but with the elements of ICS all in one place. Without having to piece it all together to just look like ICS. Any insight on this would be cool to hear. I'm just curious, and can't upgrade until 2013
Thanks.
-David
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Short answer: No.
Long answer: Heeeeeellll No! (What? It is longer, btw! )
My job is done here! Captain Obvious up and away!
Got my answer. Thanks all.
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Quick Answer: Not like you are thinking??
We won't get Official ICS, IF dzk ever gets the time away from class, we will see a PORT of cm9(which is ICS), but we will probably 'never' get ICS or any ICS Based ROM for a while. Too much stuff to do and not a lot of devs...also, personal life gets in the way a lot over on this end of Android.
It looks like the RAZR is already on the verge of taking the back seat to whatever Motorola/Verizon have on the horizon (Droid Fighter). I get an upgrade next month and have my fingers crossed in hopes that a variant of the HTC One X will come to Verzion (I would settle for an HTC Droid Incredible 4G at this point). This locked bootloader will be the death of development in the foreseeable future, if anything. Motorola makes solid hardware but doesn't want to us to play with it. It's a damn shame.
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It looks like the RAZR is already on the verge of taking the back seat to whatever Motorola/Verizon have on the horizon (Droid Fighter). I get an upgrade next month and have my fingers crossed in hopes that a variant of the HTC One X will come to Verzion (I would settle for an HTC Droid Incredible 4G at this point). This locked bootloader will be the death of development in the foreseeable future, if anything. Motorola makes solid hardware but doesn't want to us to play with it. It's a damn shame.
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True its a shame. The locked bootloader is a big reason I gave up on my X2. The possibilities on the phone could be endless if they'd unlock it but that will never happen cuz Motorola is Big Reds B$%ch. But dragonzkiller still might pull it off for u guys with cm9 in his spare time, and hopefully he will.
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True its a shame. The locked bootloader is a big reason I gave up on my X2. The possibilities on the phone could be endless if they'd unlock it but that will never happen cuz Motorola is Big Reds B$%ch. But dragonzkiller still might pull it off for u guys with cm9 in his spare time, and hopefully he will.
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These reasons will be the same reason I end up with an HTC after my upgrade. I never though I would go to them but they have far surpassed moto in the support of the dev community. Thanks for the opinions guys.
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The possibilities on the phone could be endless if they'd unlock it but that will never happen cuz Motorola is Big Reds B$%ch.
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Thats why I'm still hoping Cspire or some other smaller carrier pushes Moto to keep this MX2 updated, especially since they just added the device to their lineup a few months ago.
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Thats why I'm still hoping Cspire or some other smaller carrier pushes Moto to keep this MX2 updated, especially since they just added the device to their lineup a few months ago.
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Don't know why they would treat the mx2 differently
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It's been said already, but there is no way in hell the DX/DX2 are getting ICS from Motorola. Dragonkiller is probably the best bet and I know he mentioned in another thread he had lots of personal life stuff till at least summer.
Simple answer: No one should be buying Motorola. Send them a message. The Galaxy S III should be out soon and HTC has a decent quad core in the pipeline. Stop buying Motorola phones!
My DX2 does run better then my DX did but that's only because of DK's CM7 port. If VZW's insurance company did not give me the DX2 for a replacement of the DX I had, I would have never owned this phone. It sucks you have until 2013 but with any luck a CM9 p
ort will get done. In 2013 if the world has not ended yet and the time finally comes for your upgrade, I hope you remember Motorola screwing you and not buy another Motorola device. Don't buy into the owned by Google thing, they are still the same company and play by the same rules. Have they removed the encrypted bootloader? No and they won't because Google may own them but they are not interfering with any of Motorolas business practices. Also don't forget Google has become VZW's b*tch lately too so don't expect Google to stand up for you.
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It's been said already, but there is no way in hell the DX/DX2 are getting ICS from Motorola. Dragonkiller is probably the best bet and I know he mentioned in another thread he had lots of personal life stuff till at least summer.
Simple answer: No one should be buying Motorola. Send them a message. The Galaxy S III should be out soon and HTC has a decent quad core in the pipeline. Stop buying Motorola phones!
My DX2 does run better then my DX did but that's only because of DK's CM7 port. If VZW's insurance company did not give me the DX2 for a replacement of the DX I had, I would have never owned this phone. It sucks you have until 2013 but with any luck a CM9 p
ort will get done. In 2013 if the world has not ended yet and the time finally comes for your upgrade, I hope you remember Motorola screwing you and not buy another Motorola device. Don't buy into the owned by Google thing, they are still the same company and play by the same rules. Have they removed the encrypted bootloader? No and they won't because Google may own them but they are not interfering with any of Motorolas business practices. Also don't forget Google has become VZW's b*tch lately too so don't expect Google to stand up for you.
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Amen to this.
Although I'm half-way flattered about your comments about my work, this is posted in the wrong forum.
The X2 will never get official ICS and my CM9 port is the only ICS ROM that will probably ever be released for it. Maybe AOKP if I were to ever get the chance, but who in the hell ever knows.
TLDR: Wrong forums, no ice cream fo you! (yet)
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Hi. I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but what the heck. I've owned an HTC Incredible for almost 24 months and this past Saturday I dropped it glass first onto the concrete. Needless to say, I have an x2 UPS should be dropping off at my house today. I'm looking forward to the larger screen and dual core CPU.
After browsing the developer forums, I am disappointed how little ROM selection there is. I read this is because Motorola locks down their system. I had the choice of an Incredible 2 or this. I chose this, so I hope I won't be disappointed.
About me: I have a B.S. in Electrical Engineering, so I hope to help test out ROMs as much as possible after I root. Which shouldn't take too long to talk myself into it . I'm more of a lurker than a poster. That's all for now.
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Hi. I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but what the heck. I've owned an HTC Incredible for almost 24 months and this past Saturday I dropped it glass first onto the concrete. Needless to say, I have an x2 UPS should be dropping off at my house today. I'm looking forward to the larger screen and dual core CPU.
After browsing the developer forums, I am disappointed how little ROM selection there is. I read this is because Motorola locks down their system. I had the choice of an Incredible 2 or this. I chose this, so I hope I won't be disappointed.
About me: I have a B.S. in Electrical Engineering, so I hope to help test out ROMs as much as possible after I root. Which shouldn't take too long to talk myself into it . I'm more of a lurker than a poster. That's all for now.
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Welcome. Since you are coming from an HTC phone, you may get a little frustrated with how much you cant do on a Motorola phone. BUT, we do have awesome developers who make awesome ROMs for our phones. I suggest Eclipse or CM7. And I would forget how you used a rooted HTC and learn from scratch with your DX2. For instance, if you have used ROM manager or anything similar, don't use it with your DX2. A lot of people mess up there phones with that. We dont use ClockworkMod Recovery, but an alternative called Bootstrap Recovery. Since our phones are locked down, we have to be tethered to a wall charger to use this. No flashing on the go for us. And ICS is a ways away from getting onto our phones. Just a few things we have to deal with. Its still a nice phone.
JMooney5115 said:
Hi. I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but what the heck. I've owned an HTC Incredible for almost 24 months and this past Saturday I dropped it glass first onto the concrete. Needless to say, I have an x2 UPS should be dropping off at my house today. I'm looking forward to the larger screen and dual core CPU.
After browsing the developer forums, I am disappointed how little ROM selection there is. I read this is because Motorola locks down their system. I had the choice of an Incredible 2 or this. I chose this, so I hope I won't be disappointed.
About me: I have a B.S. in Electrical Engineering, so I hope to help test out ROMs as much as possible after I root. Which shouldn't take too long to talk myself into it . I'm more of a lurker than a poster. That's all for now.
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Though stuff is bleak now and people like me recently moved to other phones like the nexus or dinc2 or resound, still dragonzkiller is working on CM9 and that should immensely help this device. Right now 2 of the best ROMs are CM7 and eclipse, which is a huge complement to eclipse as it is based on blur....
Oh crap, btw pray to god that your phone does NOT have 2.3.5 OTA on it. If so, you cannot root it. Yet.
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With it being more difficult to flash, maybe I'll have a more operable phone lol. On a more serious note, after reading that HTC is releasing ICS for the Incredible 2 I am somewhat disappointed for not choosing it. I'm happy to try a Motorola phone again thought and will enjoy the 0.3" larger screen, my main reason for talking insurance into giving me this phone. Anyways, thanks for the information, it will come in handy on down the road.
Sad to hear there's only 2 main ROMs people use. I'm crossing my fingers for having 2.3.4 .
It probably will have 235 http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-x2-hacks/205470-bummer-full-2-3-5-1-3-418-root-broken.html
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It probably will have 235 http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-x2-hacks/205470-bummer-full-2-3-5-1-3-418-root-broken.html
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That sucks. Damn Motorola.
Welcome to the X2 commnuity
To be brutally honest, I believe the incredible 2 has a much higher satisfaction rate compared to the X2. *cough cough* that's why I was going to get the Inc2 until I saw Rezound at a reasonable price
But as said, there are some developers that make X2 quaint =)
I SWEAR TO GOD if the ota breaks root I'm leaving this crap phone.... omg I'm effn pissed!!! Hopefully there was a mistake somewhere... read the link above guys.. and be ready to scream at someone.
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I SWEAR TO GOD if the ota breaks root I'm leaving this crap phone.... omg I'm effn pissed!!! Hopefully there was a mistake somewhere... read the link above guys.. and be ready to scream at someone.
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I thought someone in this thread said it but I guess not. I read someone saying Eclipse is modified to block OTA updates. Thats a relief on my part since thats what I'm using.
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I thought someone in this thread said it but I guess not. I read someone saying Eclipse is modified to block OTA updates. Thats a relief on my part since thats what I'm using.
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As far as I know/remember, all ROMs block OTAs. CM7 does too...
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As far as I know/remember, all ROMs block OTAs. CM7 does too...
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Well thats good news.
Watercycle said:
To be brutally honest, I believe the incredible 2 has a much higher satisfaction rate compared to the X2.
But as said, there are some developers that make X2 quaint =)
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The Incredible 2 didn't even pop in my mind to be honest.
My phone has 2.3.4, let the fun begin . The phone seems pretty quick so far, except when unlocking. Does the snappiness end over time like I've heard?
I've had both, dinc2 is far better.
no offense to dx2 devs though. Dzk, nitro and company are the best.
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I hate to hear that. How were you able to trade up to an Inc2?
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The Incredible 2 didn't even pop in my mind to be honest.
My phone has 2.3.4, let the fun begin . The phone seems pretty quick so far, except when unlocking. Does the snappiness end over time like I've heard?
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Yes. Yes, it does end. Anyway, the good news is you are on 2.3.4 and thereby been spared by the tyranny of Moto, but by just. Your best bet is CM7/Eclipse and soon CM9... Just don't ask for ETAs, else you'll suffer the wrath of the Dragon!
And don't dare update to 2.3.5. In fact, just root that damn thing and install CM7/Eclipse to avoid being nagged by the phone to update, when the damned update does arrive.. Enjoy (I can't say that with a straight face, sigh) your device as much as possible. And I hope I and others didn't rain on your parade too much. Have fun with the X2...
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I hate to hear that. How were you able to trade up to an Inc2?
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Here is how I did it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586153. This other forum was what led up to it.
If you have bloat freezer or titanium back up you can stop the ota update.
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If you ... titanium back up you can stop the ota update.
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That's good news, I can't live without Titanium Backup.
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And I hope I and others didn't rain on your parade too much. Have fun with the X2...
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If by rain on my parade you mean make me regret getting this phone... . I do enjoy the slightly larger screen and resolution so that's trade off enough for me. But if it does end up like the post you linked, dinc2 here I come.
After not even having the phone activated for 24 hours I'm having trouble. It's the infamous sdcard music playback skipping I've read about . This happens intermittently, sometimes few skips sometimes many. Called Asurion, they told me to take the battery out and hold power down for 15 seconds. We'll see how it does at work tomorrow.
Edit: This happens with the phone idol running PowerAMP with music from 128 KBPS all the way to 2580KBPS. It gets worse downloading updates on 3G.
Youll never completely get rid of that, and its not the sdcard it dies it on internal as well, im looking into new samsung phones, done with motorola soon as I find what i want. Without nitro, dkz, and the rest of our gang i would have been gone months ago. But cm7 and eclipse are both amazing compared to what this was out of the box
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If you go into power amp setings and find the buffering option and select the largest one it may help the skipping. I came from the original droidx and i was expecting a better phone but turned out to be worse. I am just glad that we have any devs working on this phone! they have done alot for it.