I am looking for a way to access my second Google Voice number from my Android phone. (I have one GV# for Work and one for Personal)
On my iPhone I use the Official Google Voice app along with GV Connect: http://goo.gl/6Mh9E to use both Google Voice numbers at the same time. I am looking for something similar to GV Connect for Android.
Currently I use the following 4 methods to 1. View SMS 2. Send SMS 3. Make Phone Calls. 4. Recieve SMS notification on an Android Phone.
1. To View SMS: I created a widget of the Google Voice website that I use to view messages in the Chrome Beta. (Also forward SMS to my Gmail and have a custom notification for the SMS Label I created in Gmail.)
2. To send SMS: I use Group SMS & Scheduler http://goo.gl/Vtwpo.
3. To Make Calls: I use GooveIP http://goo.gl/iTczt
4. SMS Notifications on Phone: I set forwarding of SMS messages on my secondary Google Vocie number to my gmail. Then created a Gmail label for all SMS messages to a particular label and skip my inbox. I then setup a custom notification sound for this folder so that I can get notifications on my phone.
There has to be a better way than this. I find it hard to believe that an iPhone is head and shoulders above Android when it comes to using Multiple Google Voice numbers.
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Every time I get a new Android phone I end up looking for a solution to this issue. I started looking for a solution to this issue when I got a Nexus One in January 2010. This is the number one reason I have stuck with an iPhone over the past few years as it allows me to use two different Google Voice numbers on the same device. The fact that I have been writing that last sentence for over two and a half years boggles my mind. I cant believe Google has not come up with a solution to this problem and even more surprised that so few third party developers have taken up the task.
With that said I am currently using the following solution.
1. To Make Calls: I use GooveIP http://goo.gl/iTczt
2. for SMS I am using SynerGV http://goo.gl/4nKkc
Both of these solutions are "good enough" however they are far from great. Still looking for a single well written app to use with my secondary Google Voice number.
It is a mystery to me how it is possible that an app for this has not yet been created. I would think it would be a lucrative project. I would pay just about anything for this application its the only reason my iPhone is still my primary device.
GrooveIP is great app but rather than buying SynerGV for sms, select the option to push incoming text messages to your gmail account then reply in your default browser using GV mobile site (google.com/voice/m). Its simple and free. I don't know why Google does not see the profit in having 2 numbers on 1 mobile number then having multiple accounts for its voice app. I would definitively pay the fee but anyway I hope this helps.
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I installed Google Voice and didn't read the app carefully. I selected the Sprint integration and now when I answer a call it asks me to press 1 to accept the call. I cleared the data in app manager and re-ran the app the correct way without sprint integration but it still asks me to press 1 when answering a call. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks!
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https://www.google.com/voice/b/0#callsettings
Turn off call screening
This isn't specific to the 3D.
It's been a pain for about a week - since Sprint and GV launched the integration service.
The integration does more than make you press 1...
It prevents you from using ANY txt app BUT Google Voice, and reduces your 2 numbers to ONLY your google voice number...
OR
If you select to use your Sprint number, YOU MAY LOOSE YOUR GOOGLE VOICE NUMBER AFTER 30 DAYS!
Rather than turning off call screening (unless you want to, but it doesn't sound like your GV# was your primary number before), you should log into GV on your computer, go to Settings -> Phones, and Deactivate your 3D.
Google Voice will still be enabled for Voice mail after you do this, but it won't infiltrate and take over everything.
You can then go back to forwarding your GV# to whatever phones you like - and hopefully keep it if you chose to use your Sprint # on the phone.
Kalash said:
This isn't specific to the 3D.
It's been a pain for about a week - since Sprint and GV launched the integration service.
The integration does more than make you press 1...
It prevents you from using ANY txt app BUT Google Voice, and reduces your 2 numbers to ONLY your google voice number...
OR
If you select to use your Sprint number, YOU MAY LOOSE YOUR GOOGLE VOICE NUMBER AFTER 30 DAYS!
Rather than turning off call screening (unless you want to, but it doesn't sound like your GV# was your primary number before), you should log into GV on your computer, go to Settings -> Phones, and Deactivate your 3D.
Google Voice will still be enabled for Voice mail after you do this, but it won't infiltrate and take over everything.
You can then go back to forwarding your GV# to whatever phones you like - and hopefully keep it if you chose to use your Sprint # on the phone.
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I disagree with what you're saying here. First off you can easily use any text app you want. You just need to make sure you turn on the notify you via text option in Google Voice. Secondly I like having my Sprint number through my Google voice account so that way I can apply my Google Voice rules while still getting my free Mobile to mobile and not having to give anyone else a new number.
Secondly if you want to keep another google voice number, it's only a $20 one time charge.
Thirdly you know how great it is to answer my cell phone number from my computer whenever I have google talk open. Plus I have a Obi110 hooked up to a cordless phone so at home I have VOIP on my Cell phone number. My friends and family have no clue where I'm calling from because it always shows my cell phone number.
Google voice is a blessing if you know how to use it.
It's a headache if you don't though.
Read up on the services features before deciding if you want to use them. I love G-Voice but you need to understand theres one negative aspect of it.
No picture mail/mms services are allowed when you integrate. you'll have to resort to emailing attachments or facebooking or whatever you do to get your content across the waves.
I have not integrated. Right now calls to canada are free with gv but very expensive with sprint. If I integrate one way or another will I end up paying sprints rate or will it be free because of gv?
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darkflame said:
Google voice is a blessing if you know how to use it.
It's a headache if you don't though.
Read up on the services features before deciding if you want to use them. I love G-Voice but you need to understand theres one negative aspect of it.
No picture mail/mms services are allowed when you integrate. you'll have to resort to emailing attachments or facebooking or whatever you do to get your content across the waves.
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You have that wrong too. You can still send and receive picture mail mms through your regular messaging/texting app.
Edit: added some reading for people
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ice-sprint-integration-questions-and-answers/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-integration-i-did-it-and-heres-how-it-went/
I have mine setup pretty much like this. Just did it before the article.
sdc177 said:
I have not integrated. Right now calls to canada are free with gv but very expensive with sprint. If I integrate one way or another will I end up paying sprints rate or will it be free because of gv?
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Once you integrate international calling is through Google Voice. I don't know if they mention Canada but I know for a fact they handle all your other international calling.
Best i could find on international from the man handling this himself http://www.google.com/support/forum...0e&hl=en&fid=5122d9657099fe0e000479f1f8d2bae2
dont mean to hi-jack, i meant to create a separate thread but saw this one and instead of creating another thread, i'll just post here since its related to google voice. I went onto the google voice forum and sprint forum but no one can help me.
when trying to set up google voice, i'm getting an error message saying "your phone number could not be verified. please try again"
i tried re-adding my number and it says "this number is already in use as a cell phone on another google voice account" which is probably why i'm getting an error message on my phone saying it cant verifiy my number.
I also tried clicking on Change/Port in voice settings and going to "Use your Sprint mobile number with Google Voice" and i got an error. i think my account just needs to be reset or something?
I have a question, here is the scenario:
I have Google Voice(GV) and Sprint numbers.
I also have 3 unlimited numbers in my sprint phone.
I added my GV number to one of those three so all the calls I recieve from GV are free.
I can also use the call back function on GV to make calls for free since my sprint phone sees this as an incoming call from GV.
My question is:
If I integrate keeping my Sprint number as the primary, meaning all the calls I make from GV will show the Sprint phone number. What will I see in the caller ID when I make a call from GV's website?
Thanks.
jolugo said:
I have a question, here is the scenario:
I have Google Voice(GV) and Sprint numbers.
I also have 3 unlimited numbers in my sprint phone.
I added my GV number to one of those three so all the calls I recieve from GV are free.
I can also use the call back function on GV to make calls for free since my sprint phone sees this as an incoming call from GV.
My question is:
If I integrate keeping my Sprint number as the primary, meaning all the calls I make from GV will show the Sprint phone number. What will I see in the caller ID when I make a call from GV's website?
Thanks.
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Your Sprint phone will show up in that case. For your situation it doesn't sound like you'd want to integrate. It would save you minutes if you do a lot of your talking at home and can setup a obi100 or obi110 box to make outbound and inbound calls on your gv account.
Edit: My bad it shows up as anonymous if you initiate the call from your google voice page. Then again at home I'm using the obi110 I have with a cordless phone or my google talk dialing out as my cell phone number.
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darkflame said:
Google voice is a blessing if you know how to use it.
It's a headache if you don't though.
Read up on the services features before deciding if you want to use them. I love G-Voice but you need to understand theres one negative aspect of it.
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Go to the Voice settings on a non-mobile browser and mess around with things that make sense to change. I did that and now I have normal texting back and I am back to using GV just for voicemail like I like to do.
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yes, you can use any messaging app. i use handcent. under google voice app settings after integrating, you go to
>sync and notications.
check "Text Messages"
uncheck "Inbox notifcations"
now you can use just your stock app, or any other app. if you use a different app, make sure you turn off the notification bar in the stock apps settings.
you will still receive a message in your google voice app if you open it. it will remain there, even if you delete the message in one of the other apps. good for keeping records of texts that you dont want to keep stored locally on the phone. i generally go in to google voice on the computer and delete what i dont want.
is it an extra step, sure. but look at this method, as an automatic backup system for your texts.
mrjkwik said:
yes, you can use any messaging app. i use handcent. under google voice app settings after integrating, you go to
>sync and notications.
check "Text Messages"
uncheck "Inbox notifcations"
now you can use just your stock app, or any other app. if you use a different app, make sure you turn off the notification bar in the stock apps settings.
you will still receive a message in your google voice app if you open it. it will remain there, even if you delete the message in one of the other apps. good for keeping records of texts that you dont want to keep stored locally on the phone. i generally go in to google voice on the computer and delete what i dont want.
is it an extra step, sure. but look at this method, as an automatic backup system for your texts.
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I purchased "Backup to Gmail" about a month ago and love it. (cpedia Mobil in the Market)
It automatically backs up all my sms, call log, and mms to my main google account... restores in one click. And it removes the extra step of deleting things twice. Still no MMS restore, but it backs them up for you.
I couldn't get the integration to work the way I wanted it to; basically like it wasn't integrated - my GV# rings what lines I tell it to - and my cell phone works like a cell phone, unless I specifically want to use GV for a call.
I have specific uses for both numbers - and need the flexibility in caller ID selection when dialing out - as well as for messaging.
The integration thing just wasn't working for me.
I definitely think it depends on how people have been using their phones previously. The integration is great if you've been juggling two numbers and wishing for just one you can tweak with GV's tools, AND keep MMS.
If you've been using the GV# to separate contacts (completely improper usage, admittedly - seeing as how you could simply create contact groups and handle them that way), the integration is a nightmare.
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yes, you can use any messaging app. i use handcent. under google voice app settings after integrating, you go to
>sync and notications.
check "Text Messages"
uncheck "Inbox notifcations"
now you can use just your stock app, or any other app. if you use a different app, make sure you turn off the notification bar in the stock apps settings.
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Is this if you're using your sprint number... or your GV number?
I had mine setup to use my GV number, and the only app that registered new messages was GV. No other program received the messages at all.
Maybe this was my problem with getting the integration thing to work.
i was integrated to use my sprint number.
you should be able to log in online to gv and stop the integration you have. then set up the app on the phone again skipping the integration step. then it should work seperately like you'd like at least for calls/voicemail.
Its so odd though. i recently switched from an htc hero200 (sprint) running CM7 and there was no integration. once i switched to the evo, all of a sudden this integration? i have no complaints with GV settings except one... i hate not being able to make calls from 2 numbers. is this simply something with the stock sprint ROM? once the evo 3d is rooted and a rom is ready to be installed, will this integration thing go away?
Disable Google Voice Integration
sign into goggle voice online go to setting and disable google voice to sprint
I just wish it would go back to the way it was originally. How can they begin to think that this integration is better than how it was before?
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Well I guess it depends which way you look at this...
I use (used) google voice strictly for voicemail on the Evo4g but it appears that somehow this works differently on the E3d.
The app essentially hijacked my phone and made itself the default receiver of text messages as well as voice/voicemail. I liked it better when i had the choice which program make all my calls and I much prefer the sense sms app over the one built into google voice.
Maybe i did something different but I noticed even the differences in the setup of google voice...it seems that sprint's carrier integration now allows for all this. Just wish i had the option to choose what part of the app does what.
Thought others might want to know as well. phone is GREAT by the way =]o
Did the same thing for me. Easy fix though. Go to voice.google.com and Deactivate Google Voice on your Sprint phone in Voice Settings. Deactivate call forwarding. Then you can re-enable call forwarding.
I was pissy about this myself. I hadn't tried the fix but unwilling as soon as I get to my pc.
So does this work? Does this just do phone or text as well? any update?
It's not an EVO 3D thing it's a Sprint Google integration thing. You just didn't setup your EVO from scratch after the Voice integration happened.
I love Google Voice integration. I've posted these links in other threads but they are good reads on why you are better off actually integrating and how to still use your default messaging apps.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-integration-i-did-it-and-heres-how-it-went/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ice-sprint-integration-questions-and-answers/
Here are some other cool things I'm able to do now myself. I can make outbound and inbound calls on my google talk using my cell number on my computer wherever I have internet access. I bought an OBI110 and hooked up a phone to it so now I have free VOIP calls whenever I answer or receive calls to my CELL number on this phone. Now I don't have to give anyone a different number and I can still control who gets to reach me at what time of the day. I can answer and receive texts on my computer, laptop, tablet all using my cell number. All my texts are backed up and searchable to my google voice account (even texts I send from my phone using one of the regular messaging apps, not google voice app)
My opinion. Take the time and setup integration right. It's one MAJOR advantage of being an Android user on Sprint now. You're missing out on way more by not setting it up than you would by setting it up.
Oh and for those who don't want to lose your old Google Voice Number, Google lets you keep additional numbers at $20 per number.
Remember when Google and Sprint went through that Integration a while back? Well this is where it takes affect!
If you Blindly Install Google Voice like many of you flashaholics do you probably misses an important but subtle step cause you the following issues:
1. All MMS/SMS are being handled through GV
2. All Out going phone calls are your GV#
3. Ass Acne
This is caused by you blindly agreeing to all of this and THIS wil tell you how to fix it (no ass acne solution yet... i think there is a tread in DEV section working on this)
1. UNINSTALL GOOGLE VOICE FROM YOUR PHONE
2. Jump on your computer (or use yoru phone if you can use the browser like that)
3. Go to Google.com/voice and sign in and jump to your Voice Settings
4. Now next to your number you want to click the DEACTIVATE SPRINT AND GOOGLE INTEGRATION (or something along those lines)
5. Back on your phone Download the GV app AND WAIT TO OPEN IT!!! YOU WANT TO READ THIS BEFORE YOU BLINDLY INSTALL AGAIN!!!!
6. Now when you first open the app THE FIRST screen you will be promted to integrate your sprint and google number...
7. "Tap 'Next' to complete the Sprint integration, or 'Skip' to complete the regular Google Voice setup."
8. I hope everyone who was complaining chose SKIP
9. Continue to install GV the way you remembered
10. ????
11. PROFIT
If you have any questions please PM or post it here
REMEMBER TO THANK IF THIS HELPED YOU!!!!
Or... Take the time to setup integration correctly and don't bother using the GV app any longer.
Seriously considering this myself. But I really like the integration... I was aware it did this since I had the same issues on my O.G. Evo. Google needs to just step up and make a way for us to turn off the MMS/Text. Or at the very least refine it because it handles them like garbage...
If you integrate using option 1 (Use your sprint number as your GV) and Don't use the GV app, then correct your settings on the GV site, you get MMS, etc, plus all the goodies of GV integration.
It seems to be working fine for me.
All sms is handled by the GV app and if I get any mms, it goes to the stock messaging app. Is that not what others are seeing?
mario23 said:
It seems to be working fine for me.
All sms is handled by the GV app and if I get any mms, it goes to the stock messaging app. Is that not what others are seeing?
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Others want their stock text app to handle sms which it can if you tell Google Voice app to let text messages through.
Compusmurf said:
If you integrate using option 1 (Use your sprint number as your GV) and Don't use the GV app, then correct your settings on the GV site, you get MMS, etc, plus all the goodies of GV integration.
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Doesn't it unlink your Sprint number from being your GV number then?
bds369 said:
Doesn't it unlink your Sprint number from being your GV number then?
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No. Remember, you can use Google Voice integration even on phones that don't HAVE a Google Voice app. It really works server-side, and the app is just a client to the service they provide.
Yes but the thing that made the Sprint/Google voice integration unique was that you replaced your google voice number with your sprint number. You essentially only have one number now, which I like. If I deactivate this service, I'd have to go back to having two numbers, as far as I can tell. So that's the reason it's a tough decision for me, unless I'm totally missing something...
You can go through your desktop and turn off text through tv on your device.
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You can go through your desktop and turn off text through tv on your device.
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I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. Could you please clarify?
Sorry I meant gv. Go on the online gv page. And you can alter how your device receives texts. I thought mms cannot come through gv
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I still can't get it to work the way I think most people including myself do.
I want to be able to have the voicemails downloaded directly to my phone meaning not just a text notification, not dialing my number to hear them, just pressing play to hear them. And I'd like them transcribed too.
And for the texts I want them to go to either my default texting app or another app of my chosing but not the GV app.
And I want to maintain the tight integration with my Sprint #, meaning Sprint # = my GV #. Someone lay out the steps to achieve this exactly and I'll gladly donate $10
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Yes but the thing that made the Sprint/Google voice integration unique was that you replaced your google voice number with your sprint number. You essentially only have one number now, which I like. If I deactivate this service, I'd have to go back to having two numbers, as far as I can tell. So that's the reason it's a tough decision for me, unless I'm totally missing something...
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There's a catch, as with anything. If you turn your sprint # into your GV number (option 1), you get MMS, you get SMS, you don't need the GV app, but it kinda ties to to sprint pretty much. If you ever change you're going to PAY to port your number IF you even can.
If you choose to use your GV number as your sprint number, (option 2) you'll lose MMS and the other drawback is billing. The unlimited mobile to mobile database is tied to prefixes so sprints lookup routines won't be able to figure this out and you'll use your minutes.
Seems like they only added option #2 for folks that gave out their GV number to everyone and not their cell. Fortunately I was NOT one of those that "fully" shared my GV number.
If you go option #1 for full integration, you'll lose your GV number as your sprint cell number becomes your new GV number. You'll have to set the settings that your number is ALSO a cell and to send texts to it from the GV website.
MMS and SMS will go right to whatever SMS program you choose to use (I use handcent) You will NOT want to install GV app on your phone at this point, but do make sure you set up the GV web to also text you or email you when you get a voicemail. <- important step, or you may not get any notices since that's what the GV app also does and you didn't install it.
How I have it setup is I have call groups, friend lists and time schedules.
Work and family in my list is allowed to call me after 11pm. Nobody else.
Work rings both my home phone and cell between 8-5:30 pm, then only my cell after that.
I also have 2 telemarketers blocked from the GV site as well.
GV is pretty powerful IF you use it and you configure it correctly. there are folks that hooked up VOIP devices that also share the same line where they can make/receive calls through that, all using the GV single line.
You will have a miserable time if you don't set it up correctly or just install the GV app and don't pay attention. <--- do NOT be this person!!!! hahahaa
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There's a catch, as with anything. If you turn your sprint # into your GV number (option 1), you get MMS, you get SMS, you don't need the GV app, but it kinda ties to to sprint pretty much. If you ever change you're going to PAY to port your number IF you even can.
If you choose to use your GV number as your sprint number, (option 2) you'll lose MMS and the other drawback is billing. The unlimited mobile to mobile database is tied to prefixes so sprints lookup routines won't be able to figure this out and you'll use your minutes.
Seems like they only added option #2 for folks that gave out their GV number to everyone and not their cell. Fortunately I was NOT one of those that "fully" shared my GV number.
If you go option #1 for full integration, you'll lose your GV number as your sprint cell number becomes your new GV number. You'll have to set the settings that your number is ALSO a cell and to send texts to it from the GV website.
MMS and SMS will go right to whatever SMS program you choose to use (I use handcent) You will NOT want to install GV app on your phone at this point, but do make sure you set up the GV web to also text you or email you when you get a voicemail. <- important step, or you may not get any notices since that's what the GV app also does and you didn't install it.
How I have it setup is I have call groups, friend lists and time schedules.
Work and family in my list is allowed to call me after 11pm. Nobody else.
Work rings both my home phone and cell between 8-5:30 pm, then only my cell after that.
I also have 2 telemarketers blocked from the GV site as well.
GV is pretty powerful IF you use it and you configure it correctly. there are folks that hooked up VOIP devices that also share the same line where they can make/receive calls through that, all using the GV single line.
You will have a miserable time if you don't set it up correctly or just install the GV app and don't pay attention. <--- do NOT be this person!!!! hahahaa
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This is pretty much where I am now. I decided that taking texts out of the GV app was more imporant than voicemail for now. The major drawback to this set up is that although you get a text notifying you of the voicemail, which will include a transcription, you can't actually listen to voicemail unless you are using the GV app or you call your own number and log in. Sprint's voicemail app will not pick it up
I've never played with the voicemail piece. Never used VVM either. I always just dial my number and enter my password (from the phone) or open it in my email.
BUT, I get like 1 voicemail message a month IF I'm lucky.
Can't direct you with voicemail. But to me, the other features are more important as my cell is also my work #.
Is there any way to get the GV app to display on the lockscreen like the stock SMS app does? The only problem I have with using the GV app is that I lose this functionality.
Ok I am that guy. I set up GV blindly and now I can not get any texts sms or mms and I can not make any phone calls or receive. I know I am an idiot for not reading but I did not realize that it was changed. Can anyone help, PLEASE?
Edit: Not sure what happend but after lossing all data I now have my phone back.
Basically I'm trying to get my Wife/teens to stop using carrier text messaging without having to explain to them how to use two different applications to send texts.
Doesn’t have to be Google voice, really any app that will act as the default messaging app and when texts come in over the Verizon number and they reply to the text the recipient gets the “free” text number to respond to will work – Gvoice just seemed like the easy choice.
I've done quite a bit of research and cannot seem to find a clear answer so I'm hoping someone here had come across this. What I'm looking to do is change the reply-to number that gets sent to text message recipients from the default messaging app, Go SMS or Handcent SMS. What I do NOT want to do is have two separate text messaging apps. I want all texts to come from one application.
The idea here is to avoid paying Verizon text messaging charges and eventually block carrier text messaging altogether by using Google voice to send/receive all SMS.
Ideally this is how it would work - When a friend sends me a txt using my Verizon number I get a notification. I click reply and then press send and one of two things happens:
1. Instead of sending the text over Verizon’s network the text automatically sends it through Google voice and my friend sees my Google voice number and replies to it, essentially encouraging them to use the new phone number but seamless from my perspective.
2. Another alternative is to send the text message over Verizon’s SMS network but have the reply-to number be my Google voice number so when they reply it will go through Google voice.
While #1 will more quickly reduce the number of text messages sent through the carrier network what's most important is I'm using the same app for all texting.
I don't mind purchasing an app that can do this either.
I using a rooted Galaxy Nexus if that helps.
no app can do what u want sorry
I use GV since I switched to Verizon and I'd rather keep my old phone number. I also use it to text and thus don't have to pay for a texting plan.
The official GV app has very little support for sms. Texts only show up in the GV app and they are not threaded. Using voice command doesn't send the txt via GV but uses the carrier (found out the hard way since I got charged for them). I would like to have txts integrated so they appear in any sms app, like the default one, GoSms etc, since its a shared database just like calls.
I found an app called 'GV sms integration' in the play store but it doesn't support custom rom's and has mixed reviews, plus it wants my google password which is not going to happen.
I tried writing my own but didn't get very far, since apparently the Android system provider for texts is not fully supported. I'm wondering if the devs here have something similar.