The only benefit i can find from obtaining S-OFF right now is the custom flash screen... the kernal flashing in recovery doesnt really mean much... and im kinda scared to try the S-OFF method after seeing some comments about people struggling with it lol... what do you guys think?
mukklemome said:
The only benefit i can find from obtaining S-OFF right now is the custom flash screen... the kernal flashing in recovery doesnt really mean much... and im kinda scared to try the S-OFF method after seeing some comments about people struggling with it lol... what do you guys think?
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I mean its pretty fool proof. If you don't get it on the first try, you'll get it on the seventh try, 12th try etc.
Right now I have no use for it. No custom roms demand for it. But it's nice to finally have
mukklemome said:
The only benefit i can find from obtaining S-OFF right now is the custom flash screen... the kernal flashing in recovery doesnt really mean much... and im kinda scared to try the S-OFF method after seeing some comments about people struggling with it lol... what do you guys think?
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i am not quite sure what other benefits it has but its not a struggle at all if you follow the directions. instead of using a wire i used a small paper clip and i got it in the first shot
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i am not quite sure what other benefits it has but its not a struggle at all if you follow the directions. instead of using a wire i used a small paper clip and i got it in the first shot
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I'm not sure that it does a lot at the moment, but in the future I think it'll be worth it. Sensation users have gone through a number of firmware and radio flashes to get onto ICS. I don't think (feel free to correct) those would've been possible without s-off.
Unless you're an avid splash screen flasher, then it's probably not worth it at the moment. The process isn't really that bad; it just requires a bit of finesse and timing. The controlbear script will keep asking you to do the wire trick until you touch the pin to ground the first time. If you don't touch the second time at the right moment, the process will fail, and you just have to reload controlbear and try the wire trick again. Don't let it intimidate you.
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I'm not sure that it does a lot at the moment, but in the future I think it'll be worth it. Sensation users have gone through a number of firmware and radio flashes to get onto ICS. I don't think (feel free to correct) those would've been possible without s-off.
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Right. The main benefit from the future is if HTC/T-Mo release a new radio for the Amaze, you won't have to lock your bootloader and go back to stock to upgrade it. You'll be able to install it directly with S-OFF.
probablecauz69 said:
i am not quite sure what other benefits it has but its not a struggle at all if you follow the directions. instead of using a wire i used a small paper clip and i got it in the first shot
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BE CAREFUL WITH THAT PAPERCLIP!!!! the parts of your phone being touched with that paperclip are very sensitive, the reason they're being touched is to short out your phone for the exploit, so if you have any kind of static energy on you, it can literally fry your phone, thats why they tell you to use an insulated wire.
but other benefits to s-off include:
more options and higher probability of getting out of a brick
flash splash screens
flash radios and kernels in recovery (like the one for arhd)
superCID (to flash other carriers RUU's)
and a few other little things like having your hboot say juopunutbear (literally translates to drunken bear, thats why they give him beer, fyi)
hope i helped
I've got a twist tie from a bag of bread and stripped the ends.
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I actually used an old rg-5 cable, cut it down to a few inches and spliced the cover off the last few millimeters of the ends.
its more bragging rights than anything i think, i used a paper clip after unsuccessful tries with bag ties, cat-5 wires, and regular insulated wire.
i think for most its just nice to have finally obtained s-off after lusting for it since october.
how can i make my hboot say "Ziggy's Hboot" ?
F033x said:
i used a paper clip after unsuccessful tries with bag ties, cat-5 wires, and regular insulated wire.
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Lol... I will wait.
Thanks
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alx294 said:
but other benefits to s-off include:
higher probability of getting out of a brick
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Actually I think there is greater likelihood of bricking your phone when you have s-off. S-on is pretty tough to brick. S-off leaves your phone more vulnerable to corrupted flashes, particularly when flashing radios.
No question you have (or will have) more options to flash with s-off but right now with EXT4 recovery there's no real point to s-off. Personally, I'm going to wait.
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Lol... I will wait.
Thanks
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lol why? It worked like a charm. Besides I've never used my insurance (in like all 4 years with tmo)
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Actually I think there is greater likelihood of bricking your phone when you have s-off. S-on is pretty tough to brick. S-off leaves your phone more vulnerable to corrupted flashes, particularly when flashing radios.
No question you have (or will have) more options to flash with s-off but right now with EXT4 recovery there's no real point to s-off. Personally, I'm going to wait.
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i only meant you could flash an eng s-off hboot, just wanted to put it in a way that made more sense
Please keep all question threads in the Q&A section. Thanks!
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It's worth it now thanks to Football for leaking the ICS ROM
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I personally like the freedom you get from having S-off. but if you dont feel good about doing it, you can wait for an easier S-off solution. This is ICS for Tmo, so you only need S-off if you are on a different carrier. cuz you gonna have to Super Cid
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So I've had the Rezound now for four days after coming from the Dinc2(rooted of course). And I will say the bloatware is driving me crazy. However having to unlock the bootloader thru HTC and still have have S-On bothers me some. So the question is is it worth going thru HTC (and do they keep records that you've unlocked your bootloader), or would it be best to wait for alpharev or someone like that. Thx in advance.
if bloat is the only thing bothering you why not temp root and freeze the bloat until we have true s-off
The chance of revolutionary creating s-off for us is growing slimmer by the day.
Also if you have the updated firmware you can't temp root. They took that away.
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EmerikL said:
The chance of revolutionary creating s-off for us is growing slimmer by the day.
Also if you have the updated firmware you can't temp root. They took that away.
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And I do.
Just HTC unlock and root. The odds of there being s-off anytime soon are very very slim. The odds of there ever being an s-off solution are about the same.
Yeah I would go ahead and unlock. I don't see any point in waiting, someone might have an s-off option in a few months but its just as likely or more likely that we will stay just like we are. I wouldn't have the phone if I was waiting for something that may never come before unlocking and upgrading to a better Rom. I don't see why a developer would put resources into figuring out how to do something that's already been done, while there are a lot of bragging rights to be had most of the really good developers working on this phone are working on things to move us forward.
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tekhna said:
Just HTC unlock and root. The odds of there being s-off anytime soon are very very slim. The odds of there ever being an s-off solution are about the same.
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Yeah I would go ahead and unlock. I don't see any point in waiting, someone might have an s-off option in a few months but its just as likely or more likely that we will stay just like we are. I wouldn't have the phone if I was waiting for something that may never come before unlocking and upgrading to a better Rom. I don't see why a developer would put resources into figuring out how to do something that's already been done, while there are a lot of bragging rights to be had most of the really good developers working on this phone are working on things to move us forward.
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Thanks alot guys very good points. I guess I was worried about the warranty, but the fact is I sent a fully rooted Dinc2 to back to Verizon and back no problems so I guess I'll take the plunge and root this thing tonight. Thx again
Now
Yes, it is TOTALLY worth doing now!
I used the HTC unlock method, adb'd the
Amon Ra recovery, used Amon Ra for rooting with
SU and Superuser, then used Titanium to take out
all the garbage. Removed about 15 items.
Now my stock phone starts up with a whole lot fewer
things running that I would never use, and battery life
is like my old Increidble 1.
The Rezound is FAST FAST FAST and does everything right.
The process to ge to your Titanium-revised setup is truly easy
and can be done with stuff found right here in the rezound
forums on XDA...
Just unlock... S-off probably isn't going to happen at this point.
It's worth it Bamf came out with a ROM that fixes a lot of the issues that ICS was having. Plus the tether works in infrastructure mode on ICS
ive got a feeling the 605.5 update was the update we were supposed to get, but maybe vzw decided on holding on to it till they can patch the current s-off exploit.
call me cynical but coming from a droid x and i remember these type of things happening before with moto and vzw...to the point where devs waited for a new update before revealing how to get root or run cm9 using the 2nd init...
perhaps we should have waited for ics to drop first before unveiling s-off...
It was gonna be launched on other phones regardless.
I highly doubt it..we are a minority to the rest of verizon rezound users...so i doubt they would postpone it....but i can be wrong with some of big reds past behaviors
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My worst fear about it is that it is worse than the newest (5/7) leak and has S-OFF patched with hboot 2.26 or something. So people on the official track are screwed.
Hopefully that doesn't happen though.
just saying vzw is not above going all out against the dev community...even the gnex updates are subject to verizons approval even though the carriers were supposed to be cut out of the loop...vzw does not like anything they dont get money from that they could be charging for...extra functionality w/ no money=evil bad murder kill to them
it's more likely that verizon postponed it for a business reason, like waiting for the inc 4g to drop. it's a flagship device and they're going to want it to be the first HTC with ICS.
exactly my point...technically the only thing holding us back is kernel source which wont come out till the official ics is released...lets say, if they did decide to patch s-off first and then release ics we would either have to stick to these leaks or upgrade to the official...upgrading to the official and presumably a new hboot which would then leave us at the mercy of verizon until devs can find another s-off exploit., if they can...i know there will always be workarounds and exploits to be had but dev unlock and s-off gave us the keys to the kingdom but what if vzw changes the locks completely
Even if the OTA patches the S Off exploit, then we just don't take the OTA, and wait for our devs to use the OTA as the base for their ROMs.....that's how we used to do things on the OG EVO. Once you're rooted, you never, ever, took an OTA. I don't even think they could turn the security flag back on with an OTA update if they wanted to, but I'm not sure. I'm sure there's someone far more knowledgeable who can confirm or deny the truth of that.
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exactly my point...technically the only thing holding us back is kernel source which wont come out till the official ics is released...lets say, if they did decide to patch s-off first and then release ics we would either have to stick to these leaks or upgrade to the official...upgrading to the official and presumably a new hboot which would then leave us at the mercy of verizon until devs can find another s-off exploit., if they can...i know there will always be workarounds and exploits to be had but dev unlock and s-off gave us the keys to the kingdom but what if vzw changes the locks completely
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What would that do for those who don't have s off?
I'm running stock gb, rooted, that's all. I was going to wait until the update then s off.
Are you saying I should s off now? While I have the chance? Im not skilled or comfortable enough with flashing yet, to flash everything seperate like you can with s off. The main reason I would want s off is so that I can go back to complete stock, and locked. Is that enough to do s off?
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What would that do for those who don't have s off?
I'm running stock gb, rooted, that's all. I was going to wait until the update then s off.
Are you saying I should s off now? While I have the chance? Im not skilled or comfortable enough with flashing yet, to flash everything seperate like you can with s off. The main reason I would want s off is so that I can go back to complete stock, and locked. Is that enough to do s off?
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Yes...absolutely! You don't need to flash separate radios and kernels if you don't want. You should do it now just in case...
if youre not comfortable with s-off then dont do it...as im sure htc will not revoke our ability to unlock the bootloader, and you dont need s-off to gain root...im just wondering for those of us that have s-off if we just made it harder for ourselves by unveiling the s-off method before we had the official ics and source... but as tspderek said, it may have just been a decision to sell a few more of the newer phones
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What would that do for those who don't have s off?
I'm running stock gb, rooted, that's all. I was going to wait until the update then s off.
Are you saying I should s off now? While I have the chance? Im not skilled or comfortable enough with flashing yet, to flash everything seperate like you can with s off. The main reason I would want s off is so that I can go back to complete stock, and locked. Is that enough to do s off?
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I would get it done now. There's a chance, albeit small, that HTC patches the new HBOOT to block the exploit. Considering the steps we take to get S OFF, I'd doubt it though.
I understand people wanting to wait todo SOFF or being a little scared of the risks but i don't think anyone should be waiting or worried at this.
The SOFF method has been out for a while now, and alot of successful runs, with alot of troubleshoot threads, solutions - why be scared and wait? Id say just do it. Its running great for everyone whos done it and it gives you way more options with your device if you need to switch between firmware at this time. Why restrict yourself ?
Definitely s-off.
no reason not to.
Especially if you are still on the stock GB OTA release. It took me all of 3 minutes... start to finish. I'll even mail you my wire-trick wire if you need it
no. you need a blank sd card, that's all. when i did s-off i popped in my sd card, started the process, got it on the first go, installed the juopunutbear hboot, flashed recovery, and booted right back into my rom.
gamerdad09 said:
Doesn't S-OFF require you to unlock the bootloader, and by unlocking the bootloader format your phone?
I'm completely stock without root and having to re-setup my phone is one of the main reasons I have not done the S-OFF yet.
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yes, you must unlock your bootloader... and root your phone (via installing amonRA recovery is easiest)
then you are ready to s-off.
I was stock GB phone, I unlocked/rooted and s-off'd it didn't take long at all.
yes you'll have to re-set up some things on your phone, but that's ok, you'll be fresh! All my important stuff is sync'd with google so I'm pretty rapid at wiping and starting from scratch. The benefits after doing this will far outdo any inconvenience of setting your phone up again. You can run a nandroid backup after you flash amonRA before doing s-off as well if you want, but the unlock procedure does give you a wipe unfortunately :-\ use Titanium Backup for your apps if you want to keep specific data about them, otherwise just re-install after you get setup again.
s-offing with a stock GingerBread phone is easy and fast.
Isnt the S-OFF method more hardware related than software related. That's why they tested it on all the S3 phones? Plus, I dont see VZW worrying about the few hundred of us that actually did S-OFF. We're such a small portion of overall users. I would think they would hold it back over greed rather than hardware exploits. Such as Droid Inc 4G is about to drop with ICS and Sense 4. They'd rather people buy that than this phone.
It's both hardware and software dependent IIRC
derek4484 said:
Isnt the S-OFF method more hardware related than software related. That's why they tested it on all the S3 phones? Plus, I dont see VZW worrying about the few hundred of us that actually did S-OFF. We're such a small portion of overall users. I would think they would hold it back over greed rather than hardware exploits. Such as Droid Inc 4G is about to drop with ICS and Sense 4. They'd rather people buy that than this phone.
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This. But I think the exploit is both hardware and software, so theoretically they could patch the software side, if they cared enough to.
For new users, just my advice, worrying about this is pointless, it's kinda like us making threads that say next summer gas will be $7 a gallon (or $6 liter) and you keep yourself awake at night worrying about the "what ifs".
Getting my rezound today, although not a poster a very frequent lurker. My question is, I rooted my Eris almost immediately after I got it, and I rooted my Incredible the day I got it. Should I rooy my Rezound immediately?? I have read about some warranty issues with the phone and I see it is a hassle to get back to stock. As for my tech knowledge I can root and flash but I am not a programmer. Thanks for the help.
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Getting my rezound today, although not a poster a very frequent lurker. My question is, I rooted my Eris almost immediately after I got it, and I rooted my Incredible the day I got it. Should I rooy my Rezound immediately?? I have read about some warranty issues with the phone and I see it is a hassle to get back to stock. As for my tech knowledge I can root and flash but I am not a programmer. Thanks for the help.
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do as i say:
1. HTC Dev unlock
2. flash amonRa Recovery
3. Root
4. s-off
at this point you will be **LOCKED** and s-off. Do whatever you want to it at this point, just don't HTCDev Unlock again. If you need to get back to stock from this point for warranty fears... just flash the latest official software via RUU, and run the s-on procedure, you will then be **LOCKED** and s-on, and fully stock.
peace.
join us on irc. links below.
Download the all in one tool from the stickies section. You can do everything but s off with it.
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Rudy_Ruettiger said:
Download the all in one tool from the stickies section. You can do everything but s off with it.
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yeah the all-in-one tool is nice for getting you through the htcdev unlock process in a pinch... an getting amonRA installed... but it's root script doesn't work right (at least not on ics)-- i wrote a fixed one. and I question it's kernels..etc.
mpominville said:
Getting my rezound today, although not a poster a very frequent lurker. My question is, I rooted my Eris almost immediately after I got it, and I rooted my Incredible the day I got it. Should I rooy my Rezound immediately?? I have read about some warranty issues with the phone and I see it is a hassle to get back to stock. As for my tech knowledge I can root and flash but I am not a programmer. Thanks for the help.
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I'll be the one cautionary advisor.
DON'T root your Rezound until you've had a chance to play with it at least a month.
What happens if you root it today and have to swap it out tomorrow under warranty?
There are no confirmed reports of being charged for a returned rooted phone, but rooting does put you at risk. And there are plenty of confirmed reports of hardware issues.
Give yourself some time to make sure you have a good phone.
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WookieFan said:
I'll be the one cautionary advisor.
DON'T root your Rezound until you've had a chance to play with it at least a month.
What happens if you root it today and have to swap it out tomorrow under warranty?
There are no confirmed reports of being charged for a returned rooted phone, but rooting does put you at risk. And there are plenty of confirmed reports of hardware issues.
Give yourself some time to make sure you have a good phone.
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I completely agree with this. You have 14 days to play with your Rezound and decide if you want to keep it.
If developer support is important to you and you're hoping to get a slew of AOSP options, you might want to think twice. AOSP is coming, but we have no idea in what capacity it will be supported or if we'll get an official CM9 or what.
If you love Sense and want nothing more than Sense ROMs, then stick around; there are tons of them in all sorts of variants (Sense 3.6 & 4.0).
It's a fantastic device no matter how you look at it. The hardware is truly superb. Just make sure it's right for you.
I rooted mine after two days. It's easy, just READ EVERYTHING. Especially the s-off process. I haven't s-off yet though. I don't see the need yet til after official ota comes out
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Evocm7 said:
I rooted mine after two days. It's easy, just READ EVERYTHING. Especially the s-off process. I haven't s-off yet though. I don't see the need yet til after official ota comes out
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If you're going to root, you might as well do S-Off if you have the time and patience to read through all of the material. You can actually return the phone to stock, ROM installation is easier and more straightforward, you can switch radios if needed and RUU upgrade or downgrade.
The biggest reason to do it now is that there's no guarantee that S-Off will work in the future. I held off doing S-Off for a few weeks at first (mostly because of lack of time), but looking back I would have done it sooner if I could have. Pretty much all of the bugs have been encountered and sorted out.
yeah, if you're nervous or want some real-time walk through of your s-off process and what not, join us on irc... and be patient, once one of us is around we'll get you through it, we've done it for others a dozen times at least now and all have been successful.
Root in exactly 29 days, 23hours and 59minutes after you first turned it on. Timing is extremely important!!
destro158 said:
If you're going to root, you might as well do S-Off if you have the time and patience to read through all of the material. You can actually return the phone to stock, ROM installation is easier and more straightforward, you can switch radios if needed and RUU upgrade or downgrade.
The biggest reason to do it now is that there's no guarantee that S-Off will work in the future. I held off doing S-Off for a few weeks at first (mostly because of lack of time), but looking back I would have done it sooner if I could have. Pretty much all of the bugs have been encountered and sorted out.
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Ya I know. I'm going to s-off soon since the ota will be out somewhat soon. I just saw no point in s-off with no official radios to flash and flashing kernel in bootloader and fastboot is no big deal to me. When I got my rezound, s-off was still somewhat uncommon but now it isn't. I really want to have everything figured out first before I do it and make sure I understand everything before I attempt so I don't end up like these other people posting "ahhh I bricked my phone with s-off!!!!" Even though they really didn't and just made a mistake due to ignorance or not paying attention. After you obtain s-off in control bear, you just flash an ruu in bootloader? Is that right?
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I rooted mine 10 minutes after I got it out of the box. If you end up not liking it, you could always trade or sell it. If you try to exchange it in the 14 day period Verizon charges a $35 restocking fee. If you have issues and want it exchanged just call customer service and tell them you have already tried multiple factory data resets and the problem persists. Just go s-off and enjoy it.
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Thanks for the help. I really dont have any issues with root and s off. I was just looking for some second opinions. If the phone has warranty issues I feel I can get it back. So root on day 1
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you just flash an ruu in bootloader? Is that right?
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Just need to create a nandroid containing at least boot image. ControlBear, IIRC, reboots you to recovery once completed, so you can then restore boot. As it does all the work from the boot partition.
@OP
Wait about a week. Any defects should show within that time.
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Ya I know. I'm going to s-off soon since the ota will be out somewhat soon. I just saw no point in s-off with no official radios to flash and flashing kernel in bootloader and fastboot is no big deal to me. When I got my rezound, s-off was still somewhat uncommon but now it isn't. I really want to have everything figured out first before I do it and make sure I understand everything before I attempt so I don't end up like these other people posting "ahhh I bricked my phone with s-off!!!!" Even though they really didn't and just made a mistake due to ignorance or not paying attention. After you obtain s-off in control bear, you just flash an ruu in bootloader? Is that right?
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After you obtain S-Off, what you do next depends on what you want to do with your phone. If you want to upgrade/downgrade the radios, hboot, and firmware, go ahead and flash an RUU in the bootloader. The 3.13 and 3.14 leaks are fairly stable, though I had better luck with the 3.13 radios (which are the same as 3.11). You can then reinstall your recovery (for example, use a PH98IMG.zip to flash AmonRa back on your phone), and restore a nandroid if you want. Otherwise you can just install a new ROM. Depending what firmware you're already on (leak or OTA), you may need to flash the appropriate file to get your nandroid backup to run properly, as the newer firmware changes the SD card mount points. But from now on when you do nandroid restores it will properly restore your kernel. Similarly most new ROMs are oriented towards S-Off devices, and will just require you to flash once in recovery and not go through the install kernel in bootloader process any more.
Edit: You probably have already read this, but do not unlock your phone again after getting S-Off. You can't get back to the "Locked" status without redoing the S-Off procedure. Either flash one of the modified Hboots, or simply flash the PH98IMG.zip version of your recovery of choice. I'm on the stock hboot and did the latter.
Do it right meow!
How long will it take you to find a paperclip?
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BTW you guys really get into some detail. All he asked was how long he should wait. You guys are like typing out books and ****..
I'm already rooted.
I already did the htc dev unlock.
Why do I need S-Off?
arozer said:
I'm already rooted.
I already did the htc dev unlock.
Why do I need S-Off?
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yup u needs it.. who wouldnt want s-off!!
the main advantage of doing it is future-proofing, because there's always the chance that HTC might patch the exploit used to gain S-Off.
on the other side of the coin, there's the risk of bricking, but considering there's a method to un-brick the phone, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to bring back if it bricks.
as it stands, right now there are no big advantages or differences between S-Off and the HTC unlock, because kernels can be flashed from recovery, and even the radios can be updated. I personally was HTC Unlocked, but waited until the Unbricking method before taking the plunge for S-Off, and worked the first time.
good luck!
arozer said:
I'm already rooted.
I already did the htc dev unlock.
Why do I need S-Off?
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Honestly, you probably don't need S-OFF considering we can flash radios without S-OFF. The only advantage is flashing unsigned .zip files through the bootloader, and most of the time you are going to be flashing from recovery anyways, so in all reality, you probably won't need it. I suppose if you don't like seeing tampered plastered all over your bootloader or the red HTC warning message when you boot your phone, then sure, S-OFF is needed to get rid of that stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5VU8VGGNJY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This guy has some interesting things to say about the whole root concept and he mentioned something about cyanogens idea of removing root but leaving the system open for the user
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miguelfp1 said:
the main advantage of doing it is future-proofing, because there's always the chance that HTC might patch the exploit used to gain S-Off.
on the other side of the coin, there's the risk of bricking, but considering there's a method to un-brick the phone, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to bring back if it bricks.
as it stands, right now there are no big advantages or differences between S-Off and the HTC unlock, because kernels can be flashed from recovery, and even the radios can be updated. I personally was HTC Unlocked, but waited until the Unbricking method before taking the plunge for S-Off, and worked the first time.
good luck!
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but if youre rooted, doesnt that effectively takes you off of the htc upgrade path. its like with the 3d, as long as you were bootloader 1.4 then you were good, because roms werent going to upgrade you to 1.5. or am i missing something?
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but if youre rooted, doesnt that effectively takes you off of the htc upgrade path. its like with the 3d, as long as you were bootloader 1.4 then you were good, because roms werent going to upgrade you to 1.5. or am i missing something?
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your point is correct, but also stuff may always happen, so S-Off is kind of a protection layer for us, at least that's how I look at it
nonetheless, what's been previously said is true, no much difference or benefit to it right now
Even with S-OFF you can still run a stock RUU and it would overwrite the bootloader with one that is locked. OTA updates-same thing. That's why when you see devs posting stock, rooted ROMs, any bootloader updates are usually removed from the .zip file.
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arozer said:
I'm already rooted.
I already did the htc dev unlock.
Why do I need S-Off?
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Without s off, all those roms can be installed without issues? Because I see some roms says it needs to be s off. Kindly advise.
I did the unlock and thought it was pretty cool, when i flashed roms i always had problems though , once i did the s-off, i have had no problems whatsoever flashing anything. I'm still learning this stuff but from what i have figured out, it's the way to go. Facepalm and unlimited.io have methods for going s-off, facepalm i hear is pretty quick and only takes a couple minutes. And if you don't like it, viperboy just released a way to put your phone back to stock, but you have to be s-off to use it. It's worth it.. Painless and you get so much more out of these phones... Just make sure you back up with twrp.
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I did the unlock and thought it was pretty cool, when i flashed roms i always had problems though , once i did the s-off, i have had no problems whatsoever flashing anything. I'm still learning this stuff but from what i have figured out, it's the way to go. Facepalm and unlimited.io have methods for going s-off, facepalm i hear is pretty quick and only takes a couple minutes. And if you don't like it, viperboy just released a way to put your phone back to stock, but you have to be s-off to use it. It's worth it.. Painless and you get so much more out of these phones... Just make sure you back up with twrp.
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unlimited.io do not support hboot 1.27.
Take the ota and then s-off...
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I'm S-On and have no problem installing any roms whatsoever... even non-sense. Just make sure you read before installing roms. Never saw any advantages to S-Off so I never made the plunge.
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My 2 cents:
Do you need s-off? No.
Do you need root? No.
Do you need a smart phone? No.
You don't NEED any of those things. I have friends that still use regular phones that are pretty far from smart phones, and they will never switch...and they are happy.
I have friends that have smart phones and have them rooted, but not s-off. They will never s-off...and they are happy.
I have friends that have smart phones, have root, AND are s-off. They will never go back to the way it was before, and they are happy, but are wondering why people don't just save themselves the trouble of having to do things the long way with time wasting that could be applied elsewhere.
I even have friends that want to root, s-off, but because they don't know how to read and/or follow directions, they ruin their phone. And they are.....well, they're not happy, but that's beside the point.
S-Off if you want to, if you want control of your phone with less hoops. If you don't want to, its OK...if the ROM doesn't already compensate for the people who are s-on, then there are others to use.
Up to you. Kind of a shame to go 3/4 of the way down the rabbit hole and then give up, though.
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Well after having my last phone break (not being insured and no upgrade till May) I was left unable to afford a new phone. However my girl decided she wanted to get me a phone (and by that I mean, she pretty much yelled at me that she was buying me one no matter what, lol).
I was looking at This, the Galaxy SIII, and the Galaxy Note II. However being that I am a long time HTC fan (I have owned all HTC devices minus my Galaxy S Epic which broke WAY too fast) I opted to get this.
Should hopefully get it tomorrow (Should have been today but USPS "missent" my package), and I guess I was just curious as to how it will run things like the more "power intensive" games (Nova 3, GTAIII, Fpse) or will I need to get a Kernel that I can overclock?
(and I know I will find out tomorrow obviously, but I like to have all my ducks in a row file wise prior to getting the device, so I already have a rom picked out and all my roms setup so I can just drag and drop and be good to go with setting up the device)
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Well after having my last phone break (not being insured and no upgrade till May) I was left unable to afford a new phone. However my girl decided she wanted to get me a phone (and by that I mean, she pretty much yelled at me that she was buying me one no matter what, lol).
I was looking at This, the Galaxy SIII, and the Galaxy Note II. However being that I am a long time HTC fan (I have owned all HTC devices minus my Galaxy S Epic which broke WAY too fast) I opted to get this.
Should hopefully get it tomorrow (Should have been today but USPS "missent" my package), and I guess I was just curious as to how it will run things like the more "power intensive" games (Nova 3, GTAIII, Fpse) or will I need to get a Kernel that I can overclock?
(and I know I will find out tomorrow obviously, but I like to have all my ducks in a row file wise prior to getting the device, so I already have a rom picked out and all my roms setup so I can just drag and drop and be good to go with setting up the device)
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You shouldnt have problems running that stuff, mine doesnt at all and its on the stock CM10 kernel
Runs all those games with ease, on stock even. Only games I have trouble with are gameloft, but that's their fault. They can't optimize games for any tegra or adreno powered device. This phone has the power to run everything well for sometime to come.
Right on. Thanks for the heads up guys.
Really glad to hear it since I had to run the Galaxy S at 1.3/1.4GHz to get GTA to run without any lag time (which of course caused the battery to drain WAY too fast)
Just figured I would post an update.
I for one have NEVER been happier with a phone. Can't believe I even doubted getting the LTE. The phone is super fast (even without overclocking it).
Right now I have it on HBoot 1.12 (S-On) with CM10 and while I am sure I will S-Off it at some point, right now I don't see a need for it.
You made a good choice. I just picked up my EVO LTE last week and I can't hardly put it down, much to the dismay of my wife (I rooted it shortly after I got home with it-HBOOT 1.12, no S-off....yet). I came from the OG EVO.
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You guys are definitely lucky in getting hboot 1.12. Even though there is a downgrade method now. I'm just curious as to why you are waiting to s-off your phones?
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You guys are definitely lucky in getting hboot 1.12. Even though there is a downgrade method now. I'm just curious as to why you are waiting to s-off your phones?
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+100 S-OFF makes life SO MUCH easier
metalfan78 said:
You guys are definitely lucky in getting hboot 1.12. Even though there is a downgrade method now. I'm just curious as to why you are waiting to s-off your phones?
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I need to look over Lazy Panda more. I'm concerned with the brick issue some people have had-that, and I've never used Linux or Ubuntu.
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FinZ28 said:
I need to look over Lazy Panda more. I'm concerned with the brick issue some people have had-that, and I've never used Linux or Ubuntu.
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I never used ubuntu either I did brick but ran the unbricker while watching the video posted on unlimited.io on which commands to use and worked like a charm as for running lazy panda just follow post 2 in the lazy panda thread to the letter and you should be fine
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I just have not had the time to do it yet. Will probably do so tomorrow.
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the lazy panda method is really very simple... just make sure you follow instructions .. and you should have no probs
I got bored so I am updating my SDK Manager right now then I am going to S-Off this thing.
And I am now LazyPanda S-Off
Was actually super easy (though it had me worried for a minute there). Gave me a slight error with the QHSUSB Drivers, and took 91 seconds instead of 30, but it ended up alright.
Now to see what I can do with this thing being S-Off, lol.
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And I am now LazyPanda S-Off
Was actually super easy (though it had me worried for a minute there). Gave me a slight error with the QHSUSB Drivers, and took 91 seconds instead of 30, but it ended up alright.
Now to see what I can do with this thing being S-Off, lol.
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Congrats make sure you flash the lazypanda hboot
Pm me if you have any questions.
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Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. Right now just looking for a good ROM (Trying MeanROM ICS v6.0 right now).
Aside from that just looking into the benefits of being S-Off over S-On. I'll let you know if I need any help or have any questions though.
Just got my LTE saturday as my upgrade from the og evo. I never rooted or played around with any of that with the og evo, but i decided to give it a shot with the lte. Right now i have hboot 1.19 (merely because i got a tad bit confused by meanrom's explaination of needing the latest firmware, so i used a 2.13 RUU).
Ive read through all the terminology and faqs for rooting 101, but still have quite a few questions:
1. In my work i use unix irix quite heavily, dont necessarily program in it, but i can navigate my way around directories, and run quite a few different search commands and the such. How similar is linux and ubuntu (sp?) to unix and irix?
2. S-off, it seems like it is a deeper form of rooting allowing you even greater access to the os. This seems like it more would benefit a dev, not necessarily someone like me who is just getting his feet yet? Since i am s-on, what cant i do that someone who is s-off can or vice versa?
3. With firmware 2.13 i have hboot 1.19. How exactly are these two related?
4. Also, much like question # 2: i understand that someone with hboot 1.15 or 1.19 cant necessarily get s off, unless you follow yarrpirates walkthrough to downgrade, but what is really the difference between 1.15 and 1.19 or between 1.19 and 1.12, besides the obvious s-off/s-on difference?
I would really like to learn more about rooting, so any information would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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Here ya go, read through this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869377
billypilgrim said:
Just got my LTE saturday as my upgrade from the og evo. I never rooted or played around with any of that with the og evo, but i decided to give it a shot with the lte. Right now i have hboot 1.19 (merely because i got a tad bit confused by meanrom's explaination of needing the latest firmware, so i used a 2.13 RUU).
Ive read through all the terminology and faqs for rooting 101, but still have quite a few questions:
1. In my work i use unix irix quite heavily, dont necessarily program in it, but i can navigate my way around directories, and run quite a few different search commands and the such. How similar is linux and ubuntu (sp?) to unix and irix?
2. S-off, it seems like it is a deeper form of rooting allowing you even greater access to the os. This seems like it more would benefit a dev, not necessarily someone like me who is just getting his feet yet? Since i am s-on, what cant i do that someone who is s-off can or vice versa?
3. With firmware 2.13 i have hboot 1.19. How exactly are these two related?
4. Also, much like question # 2: i understand that someone with hboot 1.15 or 1.19 cant necessarily get s off, unless you follow yarrpirates walkthrough to downgrade, but what is really the difference between 1.15 and 1.19 or between 1.19 and 1.12, besides the obvious s-off/s-on difference?
I would really like to learn more about rooting, so any information would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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Lots of questions, bear w me.
#1) The linux and Unix file system are pretty much identical. All of the commands u would run will be the same. Haven't run Unix in awhile or linux for that matter but linux was built from Unix. And really man, u won't need any knowledge in linux to s-off. The directions are set up so easy a monkey could do it. Those monkeys are pretty smart tho. Rivals some humans. Lol
#2)S-off is not just for devs at all. Really, for u being so new to everything u should s-off because it makes things easier/run into less problems. S-off compared to hboots 1.15-1.19 allows access to all partitions not just some like root only. Read the "dont panic" thread for more in-depth explanations.
#3) The last ota (over the air) update from sprint/htc updated the firmware to 2.13 and the hboot to 1.19. U just have the latest stock firmware. Not much else to it. U just need to downgrade for soff like u would with 1.15 (the hboot/ota update previous to yours).
#4) Last I heard there was really no difference other than the patched exploit that was used to obtain s-off on hboot 1.12. U really must not worry yourself about such things. The hboot is just the bootloader that is like the bouncer for a club. He denies u if u don't have the correct attire (md5) or are a forever alone neckbeard (pass key verification). Their may be some added tools to the newer hboots, but it really isn't anything u will need, or need to worry about since u aren't going to be a dev.
It may sound scary to u at first and u don't want to hurt your new baby. To be perfectly honest though, the people who have issues fail to follow instructions and don't read thru most of the thread.
Just read until ur feel comfortable with doing it. U may still be nervous, but it is worth the sense of accomplishment at the end. Based on all your questions so far I believe u will be just fine.