Scanned through the threads so maybe I missed something-- but didn't see anything specific to this-- any opinions from the devs as to whether they'll continue to support those of us that just cannot or will not get S-Off working with the "two-file-method" that spits out the ph98img.zip for kernel flash?
Or is the expectation that users that want to update their phone ROMs in the future will need to have S-Off working in order to install the associated kernels?
Any installation script that can determine whether a user is S-Off or S-On and adjust kernel flashing from there?
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Scanned through the threads so maybe I missed something-- but didn't see anything specific to this-- any opinions from the devs as to whether they'll continue to support those of us that just cannot or will not get S-Off working with the "two-file-method" that spits out the ph98img.zip for kernel flash?
Or is the expectation that users that want to update their phone ROMs in the future will need to have S-Off working in order to install the associated kernels?
Any installation script that can determine whether a user is S-Off or S-On and adjust kernel flashing from there?
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Bored, has gone on record to continue to support S-on users, and I am sure most devs would. I am not sure of the process to package up the roms so not sure how much extra work it is. I just can't wait till they are packaged for S-Off though so I can finally quit flashing PH98's or be at a computer to do so
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vprasad1 said:
Scanned through the threads so maybe I missed something-- but didn't see anything specific to this-- any opinions from the devs as to whether they'll continue to support those of us that just cannot or will not get S-Off working with the "two-file-method" that spits out the ph98img.zip for kernel flash?
Or is the expectation that users that want to update their phone ROMs in the future will need to have S-Off working in order to install the associated kernels?
Any installation script that can determine whether a user is S-Off or S-On and adjust kernel flashing from there?
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I'm no developer, but I literally just came from the htc thunderbolt two days ago, for which I always had s-off and now flashing roms on the rezound with s-on seems like a real pita, sure with s-off you can make mistakes because you can do anything, but it's also a lot easier to fix any mistakes you make, because you can do anything
Just my personal opinion, but if you get s-off and see how easy and quick it is to change roms/radios/kernels/splash screens with s-off you'll be very glad you did.
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I'm no developer, but I literally just came from the htc thunderbolt two days ago, for which I always had s-off and now flashing roms on the rezound with s-on seems like a real pita, sure with s-off you can make mistakes because you can do anything, but it's also a lot easier to fix any mistakes you make, because you can do anything
Just my personal opinion, but if you get s-off and see how easy and quick it is to change roms/radios/kernels/splash screens with s-off you'll be very glad you did.
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youre totally right, but the procedure involved in this particular S-OFF method has left a lot of people (who don't know what they're doing) with phones that aren't working correctly upon completing S-OFF or they can't figure out how to restore their boot and recovery images if they decide to give up after trying to do the wire trick 100 times unsuccessfully.
I would say that for most people, S-OFF is just going to get them into more trouble. We've already got like 10 instances of people who have borked their radios or sdcards and don't know how to fix them.. and in the S-OFF threads in the General section its kinda scary to read some of the questions people are asking... questions that, simply because they were even asked, indicate that that person has no business doing this **** to their phone.
I have no intention of leaving S-ON users hanging and plan to support both with my ROM's.
Initially it will be two variations of each release for S-ON and S-OFF
Honestly if I have to pull my sdcard on more time because it has a PH98IMG on it im gonna go nuts. That said I personally dont want to deal with that anymore.
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I think what's going to happen is people will calm down, slow down and eventually archive S-Off. I remember the original EVO was a lot, A LOT harder at first. It's also not to say that another similar method won't come along. So its a huge achievement so let's all take a breath and see where it leads us. Not getting it the first day or the first 100 tries doesn't mean it's the end. Maybe when some learn a little more about how to use fast boot maybe they can give it another try. If at first you don't succeed read more and when your confident try again. Never give up that's too easy and no fun. If we all just gave up were would we be today?
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youre totally right, but the procedure involved in this particular S-OFF method has left a lot of people (who don't know what they're doing) with phones that aren't working correctly upon completing S-OFF or they can't figure out how to restore their boot and recovery images if they decide to give up after trying to do the wire trick 100 times unsuccessfully.
I would say that for most people, S-OFF is just going to get them into more trouble. We've already got like 10 instances of people who have borked their radios or sdcards and don't know how to fix them.. and in the S-OFF threads in the General section its kinda scary to read some of the questions people are asking... questions that, simply because they were even asked, indicate that that person has no business doing this **** to their phone.
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Yea, I see your point, sometimes IM guilty of assuming too much, I think the abundance of hboot versions and ics/gb and different radios get people confused, i think in time more people will get it right , the wire trick itself isn't hard.
S-off came at a confusing time with gb and leaked ics.
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I think if you are S-ON then you should be forced to deal with that yourself and don't continue to hold back S-OFF users.
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I think if you are S-ON then you should be forced to deal with that yourself and don't continue to hold back S-OFF users.
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I agree with con. It isn't like you wont be able to pull the boot img and flash it in fastboot.
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I agree with con. It isn't like you wont be able to pull the boot img and flash it in fastboot.
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Exactly, I don't deal with ph98img zips as it is and devs shouldn't have to make them either. I'm gonna wait a bit before I s-off but Im not gonna hold anyone back
I don't quite get why anyone would stay S-On.
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Exactly, I don't deal with ph98img zips as it is and devs shouldn't have to make them either. I'm gonna wait a bit before I s-off but Im not gonna hold anyone back
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Also, doing things manually may take an extra minute, but it keeps your brain thinking and your skills sharp. I honestly have never used any of the tools like Scott's CleanFlash or Con's Nandroid Helper because it really is very beneficial and not at all complicated to memorize a few important commands and in the process gain a better understanding of whats going on with your phone.
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I don't quite get why anyone would stay S-On.
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After seeing some of the insanely stupid questions that some people are asking in the General Forum with regards to the S-OFF procedure, its clear that performing this S-OFF method is well above the heads of many of the people in here. For that reason, there will be a lot of people who never do S-OFF, and there will also be a lot of people who shouldn't do S-OFF because they don't know what they're doing and are more likely to break their phones.
I always tell myself to hold off on these things but damnit I just couldn't, bit the bullet and s-offed, pretty easy actually, hardest part was finding a paperclip
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youre totally right, but the procedure involved in this particular S-OFF method has left a lot of people (who don't know what they're doing) with phones that aren't working correctly upon completing S-OFF or they can't figure out how to restore their boot and recovery images if they decide to give up after trying to do the wire trick 100 times unsuccessfully.
I would say that for most people, S-OFF is just going to get them into more trouble. We've already got like 10 instances of people who have borked their radios or sdcards and don't know how to fix them.. and in the S-OFF threads in the General section its kinda scary to read some of the questions people are asking... questions that, simply because they were even asked, indicate that that person has no business doing this **** to their phone.
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Radios not borked, just left over residue from flashing, nothing a stock recovery clear storage can't fix...issue is solved
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I always tell myself to hold off on these things but damnit I just couldn't, bit the bullet and s-offed, pretty easy actually, hardest part was finding a paperclip
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I couldn't get the paper clip to reach so I used a strain of RJ45.
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So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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If HTC gives us what they promised we will merely have a bootloader that is not cryptographically signed. That's it. No root. no s=off. Nothing else.
I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
erikivy said:
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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If HTC is willing to play ball on our terms I think it only fair that we play ball on their terms.
...even though I think it is ridiculous.
In fact, without access to a custom recovery and ability to flash whatever I want I'm afraid of screwing up my phone in a way that I can't fix.....someone had a thread earlier about setting 'compatibility mode' off in Spare Parts causing bootloops and a factory reset didn't fix it. I've been there before but I had multiple avenues of recourse...right now I would have nothing I could do to fix that.
Granted, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the problem, but, the point remains.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
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I've been following this pretty closely for, well, about a month now...I've never heard anything spelled out specifically detailing it in this way.
However I have wondered the entire time what "unlock" means to HTC. We were only asking for the bootloader to not be crypto-signed, though that still means that we need to find an exploit...meaning we asked for open access to...well...more hacking of their software? If they are willing to take the biggest block out of the way, why not the whole kit and kaboodle? So I could see them (rightly) interpreting all of the "unlock bootloadar" demands to mean "give us unrestricted access to everything we need", though the cynic inside me also considered that they would stick to only offering the most specific thing they could--what we asked for. If they are really going to crack these phones wide open for us that really is a monumental statement...it could very well change the direction of this industry (for the better...for the consumer)...
...though that would blow my mind.
Anyone who really wants S-off and root, should definately not take the OTA updates. I've been down this road in the past with other devices. I have a lot more faith in our dev community unlocking this phone then I do in HTC. Just my thoughts.....
Okay, so I've been with android since the G1, I've had a G2, and now I have the Amaze 4G, and with each new phone I've become more and more of a flashaholic. So I'm mostly familiar with the processes to root and flash android devices.
My issue is that I'm not familiar enough with what I'm actually doing to know whether or not I should go ahead and root my Amaze.
I've read through the discussions trying to make heads or tails of what the consequences are for doing it now instead of waiting, bit I'm not having much luck.
So, question: What exactly would I be giving up by rooting now vs waiting? I know it voids the warranty with htc, but does that also cause issues with my insurance plan from T-Mobile if I were to need a replacement? Will rooting now remove any chances of obtaining full s- off in the future?
Thanks for the help. I'm pretty sure this is my first post (lurker here) so if I'm in the wrong place or something, go easy on me. Haha.
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with s-off. I know it may take a while but will be worth it.
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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xboarder,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if someone uses the htcdev unlock but then in the future, a locked bootloader is needed for a S-OFF exploit, can't we use the RUU you posted in the dev forum to re-lock it?
I mean, it won't reset the warranty, but shouldn't it re-lock the bootloader?
Spovik said:
Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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That was what I gathered as well. From reading all the posts I could find on it, everyone was saying something about S-Off and "Everything S-Off" were different things. Something about S-Off from the HTC unlocker only allows you to change roms and not kernels or radios or something. One guy (I can't find the post unfortunately) said that if you unlock it with the HTC tool, you will never be able to unlock it the rest of the way (everything s-off) so that you can customize the rest of the things. Then again though, I've seen others saying the opposite. Let me know if I'm not making sense. I can try to find the posts where I read this.
I'm not taking any chances.. I'll wait for s-off then root this bad boy.. so far I haven't had any problems with the stock Rom..
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You can relock I just figured this out a ruu can't be flashed unless you have a locked boot loader how you relock hmm
The relock zip I have so you can still get s off when it comes
And ps to the end users why you need s off any ways?
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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Im not quite sure thats how it works, man, because if you officially void your warranty, Tmo and Assurion will know about that, make sure... i mean these are big companies that leave nothing to chance (especially insurance companies), so its a common sense to think that when it comes to the most expensive Tmo android smartphone right now, htc has a way of warning them about warranty voids! So even if you call saying youve lost it or got stolen, assurion may decline your request based on that... I wouldnt take the risk and will patiently wait till another way of unlocking the bootloader comes out, not involving htc... hopefully... you just keep up the great work, man, cheers!
Edit: Just found asurions insurance form, where under Exclusions says:
This insurance does not apply to loss or damage caused by or resulting from any of the following:
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i. Programming, Repair Work
Programming, cleaning, adjusting, repairing, modifying, or performing any other work upon Covered Property.
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http://www.phoneclaim.com/documents/MetroPCS/Terms-And-Conditions-New-York.pdf
Hope that sheds more light on this issue
My understanding, and maybe I'm being ubernoob, was that you needed to have S-OFF to COMPLETELY get rid of Sense. Beastmod comes close to the AOSP I want, but it still has the sense dialer and I hate it. (Unless I am misunderstanding and the sense dialer was included as a matter of preference, rather than necessity.)
Ideally, I'd like to be able to load Cyanogen if it ever becomes available but right now it's not that big of a deal. ICS would be nice, but that's so far down the line I'm not too concerned.
If I can get rid of ALL sense (maybe keep the camera apk), and have a stock, unmodified AOSP with no bloat, I'll be happy, but I don't want to jump on that if it screws my ability to flash CM.
U can still flash cm7 trust me and beastmod I tried a lot to get Sodom dialer but no able to would have to re do full framework but no source hard to redo framework
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Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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TheSneakerWhore said:
Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
Binary100100 said:
I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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They are around...just not like the old days. Still deving here and there.
\Fauk, I miss my G1.
\\Still have it, not so working anymore
Binary100100 said:
Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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Good call - duh, why didn't I think of that? lol
I unlocked and rooted pretty much AS SOON as the threads were posted but then I read you would not be able to S-off. Kinda started sweating bullets because I know just being bootloader unlocked can limit how much you can modify/flash.
But "losing" my phone is doable lol if/when S-off is achieved and the htc dev unlock screwed us
So to answer the op's question - i LOVE my rooted Amaze. The two ROMs available by xboarder are awesome alternatives to stock and since you say you've had root before then you know all the cool things that come with the territory (removing bloat/crapware, root capable apps, etc)
Just do it already
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wow lol even in this thread I'm confused.
1. Is S-off method that is out now reversable?
2. Are current methods enough to have a full AOSP ICS rom?
The previous poster indicated sense remains in one way or the other with current method.
Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
Cares said:
Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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I went ahead and unlocked. I figured why not lol. I'm very careful with my electronics
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Cares said:
Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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Im still waiting but not because of warranty concern, more of a " Im to lazy and dont feel like getting off the couch" kind of lazy. I also dont want to screw up anything even though it doesnt look so hard. And i just want to try aosp roms so im just going to stick to stock for awhile until full s-off ( If our amazing devs still try to do that. )
I am not. The latest hboot on the 3D is proving difficult to crack, and they have unlocked bootloaders as well. I am sure people will keep at it but it has been a few months for them working on the 3D with no luck yet.
While not a given fact, HTC has usually honored warranties for things unrelated to root. It is hit and miss though, some get lucky some don't. That was on tmobile though, as the carriers usually handle the claims side of that. If you are worried get the insurance, then warranty does not matter.
If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
I unlocked and been flashing away, go for it
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Don't see why you'd want to wait for s-off people. You can flash pretty much anything except a radio. Pretty sure we'll see some CM lovin or at least an AOSP rom to tide us over. I don't think they're going to work on s-off anymore since the BL is unlocked.
No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
kkryter said:
I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
jbh00jh said:
No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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It's only blacklisted if it's reported lost/stolen.
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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Yes you can flash kernels. The only way I know to do it for sure is to use fastboot but its possible there are other methods.
The ONLY things that cannot be flashed are radios, bootloaders, (understandably considering those are the two things that WILL cause a HARD brick if done wrong or with corrupted files) and I believe splash1 cannot be changed. (not sure why probably because its usually a manufacturer branding)
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I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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pretty sure you could still sell it your esn would be red flagged meaning no warranty but im not 100% u never know with verizon
That's for sure. Glad I don't pay online.
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jdmba said:
I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I'd settle for a devs s-off.
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I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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The info's out there, search is your friend. This has been discussed plenty of times just in the Rezound forum alone, not to mention the entire XDA website.
sstriano said:
I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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Here's a list of links I have bookmarked for my studying purposes:
Collection of Root Guides
Will unlock my phone after I learn more about all of this. I'm surprised you rooted Dincs without understanding this stuff!
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, so mobilicity users won't have to s off and things. They should be able to just root and flash that rom in recovery. Devs, can you make one please? A good one, with beats audio
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Shivammcool said:
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, so mobilicity users won't have to s off and things. They should be able to just root and flash that rom in recovery. Devs, can you make one please? A good one, with beats audio
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Why are you so lazy? The devs work hard on here to develop roms, not to mention the developer of juopnobear had to take his time to discover the hack for s-off. Why can't you take the hour or so needed to obtain s-off? These people develop for me and you for free. Be a little grateful, child. After all, you've likely already thanked your parents for this phone that they bought you. And if they were to develop a Rom, don't be so picky you spoiled child. "a good one with beats".
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Just S-Off and SuperCID, you probably won't be seeing Mobilicity ROMs in the future. The whole process actually takes 5-10 minutes, and it's not that difficult to nail it on the first couple of tries...
You don't need s-off to use custom roms, so all of you need to calm down and op you need do some more reading.
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Dark Nightmare said:
You don't need s-off to use custom roms, so all of you need to calm down and op you need do some more reading.
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No, but if they need supercid to use any carrier's rom, they do need s-off for that. If he has a mobilicity phone, he needs s-off.
To the OP, s-off isn't hard, and everything you could ever want to know is in the bible in my signature. S-off is just a matter of time, and I think I remember seeing that hasoon added it to his all in one tool, which may be even easier. Try to do it, and if you have issues I am sure someone here is more than willing to help. As an alternative, you could build your own roms and offer them to the community, we actually already have resources that give a good place to get started. Or, if you just want specific features, research them and add them yourself- beats is one you can easily flash, the mod was recently updated.
Trewyy - I think I have seen more than one post by you that was just plain rude.. we can all get frustrated at other users, but we don't have to go as far as to throw insults calling people lazy and children. The amaze forums have mostly become a place where people give positive and productive feedback, there is no reason you can't help keep up the trend.
Silentbtdeadly said:
No, but if they need supercid to use any carrier's rom, they do need s-off for that. If he has a mobilicity phone, he needs s-off.
To the OP, s-off isn't hard, and everything you could ever want to know is in the bible in my signature. S-off is just a matter of time, and I think I remember seeing that hasoon added it to his all in one tool, which may be even easier. Try to do it, and if you have issues I am sure someone here is more than willing to help. As an alternative, you could build your own roms and offer them to the community, we actually already have resources that give a good place to get started. Or, if you just want specific features, research them and add them yourself- beats is one you can easily flash, the mod was recently updated.
Trewyy - I think I have seen more than one post by you that was just plain rude.. we can all get frustrated at other users, but we don't have to go as far as to throw insults calling people lazy and children. The amaze forums have mostly become a place where people give positive and productive feedback, there is no reason you can't help keep up the trend.
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You do realise you can flash a custom rom via recovery whether you're super-cid or not right? S-Off isn't hard, but not every one has that little courage they need to do it, custom roms don't require super-cid, only if you wanna switch to another carrier's complete stock rom then you'll need to super-cid and I'm talking via a ruu/ota/exe image file.
And I second the last part of your comment.
Isn't it possible to add custom CIDs on the ROMs you install? I forgot where you would add/change it. In the build.prop maybe?
Something just keeps telling me it's AndroidInfo.txt or something, but I can't find that in many ROMs.
Keylogger_0 said:
Isn't it possible to add custom CIDs on the ROMs you install? I forgot where you would add/change it. In the build.prop maybe?
Something just keeps telling me it's AndroidInfo.txt or something, but I can't find that in many ROMs.
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It's in the build.prop but that's not the only place the CID is stored, it's also stored in the bootloader/hboot file, that you can't change the way you would a build.prop file unless s-off but in the case of custom roms, it doesn't matter, only system files and kernels are being changed, not the entire system, therefore the verification of CID isn't checked or needed.
Shivammcool said:
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, ....
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I'm on Mobilicity and I haven't used any specific roms for them. I'd root and unlock though.
Have you applied any ROMs prior? Be happy to help you along if not.
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Bigandrewgold said:
Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
Alidaco said:
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
seeingwhite said:
Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
trickster2369 said:
I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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Bigandrewgold said:
The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
CharliesTheMan said:
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
QD2DC said:
Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.