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With the results of the vote in the GPS (possible issue) thread running at 30% functionality, left me asking what are the other 70% of us doing wrong?
I thought this would be an opportunity to gather data for analysis. It is not a chat thread or for discussion on causes, or trouble shooting.
Just maybe something well show up, as it appears Asus doesn’t have a clue and keep blaming the case. While the case does seem to be attenuating the signal compared to my Samsung Galaxy S2 it doesn’t explain the hit and miss nature of the TF201. And we all have the same back panel on our TF201’s.
On one occasion with the TF201 sitting on a park bench found 9 Satellites and used 5. (Using GPS version V 6.8.13) Without touching a thing they all disappeared. Then nothing!
The best I can do now is 1 Satellite found.
Test procedure:
Outdoors only in a wide open space.
Use “GPS Test” from The Market.
Update AGPS then turn Wi-Fi off.
If all reports could be posted in the following format.
1. Model:
2. Build:
3. GPS Version:
4. Satellite’s in view:
5. Satellite’s In use:
6. Time to first fix:
7. Has the GPS worked in previous builds of ICS
8. Did GPS work in Honeycomb
9. First 8 digits of serial No
Just maybe a pattern will emerge.
Thanks all.
1. Model: 64Gb Champagne
2. Build: IML74K.TW_epad 9.4.2.11
3. GPS Version: V6.9.13
4. Satellite’s in view: 1
5. Satellite’s In use:0
6. Time to first fix: N/A
7. Has the GPS worked in previous builds of ICS: Yes briefly
8. Did GPS work in Honeycomb: Not tested
9. BCOKAS08
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
There isn't a single Transformer Prime on this planet where GPS works great.
So It is what it is: the metal design is beautiful, but it restricts GPS signals. And as there is no real a-GPS for Wifi tablets(as they have no cell-site triangulation possibilities), this becomes a real and unsolvable problem.
And Asus DOES has a clue, according to Asus there is no GPS on the Transformer Prime. The same as there is no GPS on other Wifi tablets like the iPad's. Asus made a big mistake advertising with GPS before release though.
So if you really want to use GPS on the Prime, you're out of luck and should return it. A full refund would be fair if you bought it early.
I've never been able to lock onto more than 3 and then for only a few seconds. That was with HC and now ICS. If I use my Prime for navigation I use my BT GPS receiver and a full mapping capable app which I've already tested and works great. I suggest if anyone bought a TP for navigational purposes return it immediately.
Non-issue (for me at least).
YoMarK said:
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
There isn't a single Transformer Prime on this planet where GPS works great.
So It is what it is: the metal design is beautiful, but it restricts GPS signals. And as there is no real a-GPS for Wifi tablets(as they have no cell-site triangulation possibilities), this becomes a real and unsolvable problem.
And Asus DOES has a clue, according to Asus there is no GPS on the Transformer Prime. The same as there is no GPS on other Wifi tablets like the iPad's. Asus made a big mistake advertising with GPS before release though.
So if you really want to use GPS on the Prime, you're out of luck and should return it. A full refund would be fair if you bought it early.
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+1 why do people still not realize it's the aluminum condom to protect from GPS waves
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+1 why do people still not realize it's the aluminum condom to protect from GPS waves
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Ohh really.
Please explain TF201 sitting on park bench found 9 satellites, using 5.
Without touching the device all satellites lost and no further seen.
Don't like the odds on those condoms.
The aluminium case explains the poor signal to noise ratios, not the sudden loss of all reception on a stationary device.
mile high said:
Ohh really.
Please explain TF201 sitting on park bench found 9 satellites, using 5.
Without touching the device all satellites lost and no further seen.
Don't like the odds on those condoms.
The aluminium case explains the poor signal to noise ratios, not the sudden loss of all reception on a stationary device.
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The same reason when you are on the edge of losing a FM or AM radio station it can be crystal clear with a inch of movement. Try to navigate turn by turn with the Primes GPS as soon as you start moving signal is too weak to keep it. If your device just dropped all satellites without any movement it's just a glitch and has nothing to do with the overall problem of the Primes GPS.
mile high said:
Ohh really.
Please explain TF201 sitting on park bench found 9 satellites, using 5.
Without touching the device all satellites lost and no further seen.
Don't like the odds on those condoms.
The aluminium case explains the poor signal to noise ratios, not the sudden loss of all reception on a stationary device.
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Because it sees them but fails to hold them when moving because the signal is weak.. Why can't people accept that?
PrimeTimeBro said:
+1 why do people still not realize it's the aluminum condom to protect from GPS waves.
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Yes, this has been pointed out about the aluminum back. But as mentioned we all have the same aluminum back then ...
WHY are some Primes always able to see and get a GPS fix.
Why is ASUS even bothering with updating the GPS driver if GPS in not in the spec's?.
WHY has someone not show GPS results with the aluminum back off?
Off topic WIFI why the frack would I want to use G setting to get good WIFI? That's like not using my 5th gear in the car and staying in 4th.
I love the Prime but the aluminum back shield is a frack up period. Stock seems to have dried up around here (impossible to get). I wonder what's up.
My new Prime had never seen 1 single satellite for the 4 days or so I have had it.
Last night, I open Google Maps and click on Resteraunts and simply pick a Pizza Joint nearby. Then I click on NAVIGATE for it to navigate me there (I was just playing around on my couch in my living room, not in my car).
The bottom of Google Maps said "Searching For GPS" and I said "Fudge It" and just laid it on the coffee table. I closed my eyes and about 12 minutes later (I looked at the clock) my tablet says in a woman's voice "Turn Left on Birch Drive!"
I couldn't believe my ears. I quickly opened GPSStatus, GPS FIX, all that. Then I noticed that Google Maps said "Searching for GPS" again. Google Maps needs a lock to navigate you so It actually got a lock for a split second, which was exciting.
However, the other apps were showing 4-5 Satellites, and they have never shown one before. It wouldn't lock, but the fact it was all the sudden showing some satellites was quite exciting since my GPS had appeared to be Dead on Arrival.
So, if you have time and can stop playing with the tablet, set up a route on Google Maps, choose for NAVIGATION, and set it down, maybe by a window, and wait 15 minutes. Maybe you will get a lock.
In my opinion, my GPS works VERY SLOW. It took literally 10 or more minutes to see any satellites, then started loading a few more slowly till I got up to 5. Again,I couldn't get it to lock onto any anymore, but I was in my living room and I have 14 mature trees in my yard (I am talking BIG trees).
Maybe give that a shot and see what happens. Because my tablet had seen NOTHING ever, but I was only trying it for 5 minutes at a time then I would get pissed.
yhzhrm said:
Yes, this has been pointed out about the aluminum back. But as mentioned we all have the same aluminum back then ...
WHY are some Primes always able to see and get a GPS fix.
Why is ASUS even bothering with updating the GPS driver if GPS in not in the spec's?.
WHY has someone not show GPS results with the aluminum back off?
Off topic WIFI why the frack would I want to use G setting to get good WIFI? That's like not using my 5th gear in the car and staying in 4th.
I love the Prime but the aluminum back shield is a frack up period. Stock seems to have dried up around here (impossible to get). I wonder what's up.
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All Primes will see and get GPS fixes NONE of them will keep it awhile moving.
No one wants to destroy a $500 device but if your willing feel free.
G gets better range with Wi-Fi in general and the Prime lacks good range with it's Wi-Fi for the same reason GPS sucks the aluminum sheild if it's not good enough for you return .
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All Primes will see and get GPS fixes NONE of them will keep it awhile moving.
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Not true!
My Prime must be bad unit because 97 percent of the time it never sees any satellites and it has had actually only had a fix maybe three times out of 100 tries.
I'd be happy to get a fix period each time I tried
Hence my original WHY with the same aluminum back can some Primes get fixes while others don't even now satellites exist in orbit?
My bad unit is going back. I'll wait for the 700 series or a revised TF201 with a new back. Until then My HP Touchpad running ICS will do for now. Yes, no HD video or camera but that's fine.
GPS works on all other sanctioned Android tablets (with market access).
yhzhrm said:
Not true!
My Prime must be bad unit because 97 percent of the time it never sees any satellites and it has had actually only had a fix maybe three times out of 100 tries.
I'd be happy to get a fix period each time I tried
Hence my original WHY with the same aluminum back can some Primes get fixes while others don't even now satellites exist in orbit?
My bad unit is going back. I'll wait for the 700 series or a revised TF201 with a new back. Until then My HP Touchpad running ICS will do for now. Yes, no HD video or camera but that's fine.
GPS works on all other sanctioned Android tablets (with market access).
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Sorry I forgot to mention asus terrible qc on the primes I'm sure there's plenty where gps is totally borked bottom line is gps will never function as a turn by turn on primes with aluminum backplates. End of story
look at my youtube video... it was honey comb and nearly perfect...
with new updated ics its worthless...
I don't see any satellites and I have never seen any on either of my TFP's. I have owned 2 so far and they both didn't see any satellites period. My GPS light stayed yellow and never went green no matter if I used wifi or not. So why is mine not seeing any Sat's, but you guys complain when you have a weak signal. I am in the process of trying to return mine I bought from BB, but I am waiting my 14 days to see if they will get some in stock. If they do, the customer rep will send one out to me or the store nearest me, and then I would have to send mine off. That's what the customer service rep told me to do. It's not that big of a deal to me, but the unknown serial was, so that's why I got rid of my first one.
PrimeTimeBro said:
All Primes will see and get GPS fixes NONE of them will keep it awhile moving.
No one wants to destroy a $500 device but if your willing feel free.
G gets better range with Wi-Fi in general and the Prime lacks good range with it's Wi-Fi for the same reason GPS sucks the aluminum sheild if it's not good enough for you return .
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wrong. I get no gps satellites period .. no fix no nothing... no matter which configuration i try
Well generally not the responses I had hoped for.
JoeyLe said:
Because it sees them but fails to hold them when moving because the signal is weak.. Why can't people accept that?
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What does stationary device, placed on park bench, mean to you?
Not moving...9 satellites, with a fix, then suddenly nothing. No satellites in range. TF201 still sitting on park bench!
As an aside my Wifi is perfect. In fact better signal strength and bandwidth better than both my phones and similar to my laptop.
I don't want turn by turn navigation (have TomTom for that). Just a occasional fix on Google maps. Wifi is generally too inaccurate.
And I do know a little about GPS. RAIM, FDE and Baro aiding help keep me alive in my 9-5 job.
If you are happy with your prime great.
But do check the bottom of the box your Prime came in. The spec still show GPS. Mine is a late model Prime. So regardless of Asus removing it from the web site I feel I am entitled to some form of GPS functionality.
Happy to do that Wifi assisted and it should work in a wide open space. But it doesn't for 70% of owners.
So my question once again why are the other 30% of TF201's offering some sort of GPS functionality?
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Why is ASUS even bothering with updating the GPS driver if GPS in not in the spec's?.
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I also wonder about this. Why waste the time and effort?
Here's how i fixed my GPS problem:
I pulled out my Galaxy SII. Got a fix in 2 seconds.
True Story.
i can get about a 20m accuracy lock while indoors in a matter of seconds, but it never improves in accuracy.
Satellite’s in view: 0-4
Satellite’s In use: 0
Time to first fix: 2minutes
1. Model: 32 Champ
2. Build: IML74k.US_epad-9.4.2.11-20120117
3. GPS Version:V6.1.1.17
4. Satellite’s in view: Fluctuates but up to 11
5. Satellite’s In use:Fluctuates but up to 6
6. Time to first fix:3 mins
7. Has the GPS worked in previous builds of ICS: n/a
8. Did GPS work in Honeycomb:Yes and Much better before
9. First 8 digits of serial #: BCOKAS02
In Honeycomb It was working very well but since the update its way more flaky, as it will go from 9 sats in view and suddenly lose them all.
#### Any one else notice that the GPS Icon Doesn't Blink anymore unless you click the clock menu and then go back####
Hey guys, I just received my TFP.
Given the issues some have had, I was wondering if there are some tips you all have for "Quality Testing"... beyond normal usage that is.
I'd like to be able to see some actual stats for things like wifi and gps connectivity... are there any apps I can use for visualization? What specifically should I pay attention to?
Thanks in advance for any help!
ncyncy said:
Hey guys, I just received my TFP.
Given the issues some have had, I was wondering if there are some tips you all have for "Quality Testing"... beyond normal usage that is.
I'd like to be able to see some actual stats for things like wifi and gps connectivity... are there any apps I can use for visualization? What specifically should I pay attention to?
Thanks in advance for any help!
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Reboot the prime and stare at the edge of the screen where it meets the bezel. See of there's light spots.
Download speedtest from market, start testing the speed. Eg: Right beside the modem, next room, living room, kitchen, washroom, basement, garage, front porch. See how much does the speed vary and the ms.
Download GPS test from market, Turn on airplane mode and GPS, Disable Google Location Services, Set display turnoff time to 30mins, Reboot prime and run GPS test and see how long till you can get a satellite fix.
Using your thumb, with pressure push down on the bezels and listen and feel if there are creeks.
reNeglect said:
Reboot the prime and stare at the edge of the screen where it meets the bezel. See of there's light spots.
Download speedtest from market, start testing the speed. Eg: Right beside the modem, next room, living room, kitchen, washroom, basement, garage, front porch. See how much does the speed vary and the ms.
Download GPS test from market, Turn on airplane mode and GPS, Disable Google Location Services, Set display turnoff time to 30mins, Reboot prime and run GPS test and see how long till you can get a satellite fix.
Using your thumb, with pressure push down on the bezels and listen and feel if there are creeks.
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Thanks for the advice. I tried the WIFI test and "light spot test" ... happy to say this unit seems to be without defects in those areas. I will try the GPS test tonight!
ncyncy said:
Thanks for the advice. I tried the WIFI test and "light spot test" ... happy to say this unit seems to be without defects in those areas. I will try the GPS test tonight!
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You can also download the free app called ,"backlight bleed test" to test for light bleed...
This should be in a nice clean sticky or something with full instructions on how to test
Does this mean my GPS isn't working (I left it for 10 mins and then came back and it was still like this:
http://imgur.com/0IPE5
No gps
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Ok, so I tried the GPS Test app... Turned off WIFI, disabled location services, and rebooted. I ran the app for 45 min in front of a glass door. No connections were found. Tried rebooting again and running again... still no connections... tried squeezing the top of the prime to see if I could force some connections. Still nothing. Depending on the weather tomorrow I might try the app outside and see what happens.
So going over the thread about the GPS and opening their Prime to get the antenna working, I thought of something and gave it a whack....
I had a sudden thought.... what *if* I tried to turn on my google map on my phone (HTC Touch Cruise) knowing it can get a fix indoors and placed my phone where the Prime's antenna is located.... what would happen.
Well, it worked. I got 8 fixed (6-7 steady) once my phone's GPS antenna got a lock of only 4.
make sure you phone (or whatever you're using to get gps sats) is warmed up and has found some sats then place it over your Prime's GPS antenna is located (if you have to ask where, this is not for you) and try it out. this is just a cheating work around and not exactly a *fix* but in a pinch and you want to leverage the tablet's bigger screen for google map or nav, here you go...
*EDIT*: let me add, you don't have to use google maps. any gps tester would also work. we just want to activate the GPS on the phone so google maps is the easiest but there are other apps out there that can do the trick. if you're on an android phone, gps test would work. WinMo has an app too (i have it somewhere) that tests GPS for the phone as well.
EDIT: for a better explanation, see post #11: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22458668&postcount=11
your thread makes absolutely no sense. Of course you can tether, why are you talking about putting the tethered antenna over the top of the internal antenna? I can only assume that English is not your first language and that you're using the wrong phrasing.
Either that, or you're an idiot, I tend to look at the first answer.
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This has gotta be a joke right ??
I would just get a Bluetooth GPS device that would search and lock on to the sats and place it next to where the Prime's antenna is located if I needed a GPS
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Why the Hell would you do that ? If you got a bluetooth GPS device connect the Fecker to the Prime not hold it where the primes antenna is .
This has gotta be a classic I can't wait for the pics LMFAO
can the prime multi-tether? i bluetooth share my internet connection on my phone so I can't connect anything else to my phone via bluetooth (like radio). ie: I can't listen to music from my phone in my truck via bluetooth to the radio AND share my internet connection via bluetooth with the prime. one or the other.
thought bluetooth can only link to one device at a time?
use gps tether on your phone and prime
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chivas228 said:
can the prime multi-tether? i bluetooth share my internet connection on my phone so I can't connect anything else to my phone via bluetooth (like radio). ie: I can't listen to music from my phone in my truck via bluetooth to the radio AND share my internet connection via bluetooth with the prime. one or the other.
thought bluetooth can only link to one device at a time?
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You can connect multiple devices to one bluetooth controller and use them concurrently, they just need different addresses
rand4ll said:
You can connect multiple devices to one bluetooth controller and use them concurrently, they just need different addresses
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did not know that. thanks!
and so this is where the confusion came in.
BRILLIANT......
is there a ban for these kind of posts? i hope so, cuz now im inb4it
Why do you people have to be such dicks all the time. Ignore it and move on if you don't like the thread. Nobody wants to read all the retarded lol inb4ban haha u r retarded ****.
I believe he's just saying his prime could pull the sat signals easier when his phone had a solid GPS signal and placing his phone over his primes GPS antenna. While GPS over Bluetooth would be a better option this doesn't hurt anyone information wise.
OP might not know what he is doing but he is 10000 % right about the phenomenon
OP might not know what he is doing but he is 10000 % right about the phenomenon.
Because all the experts were flaming him and calling him a retard I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and imitate his actions.
I haven't seen one satellite with my Prime for weeks. I tried everything but taking it apart. I've left it for days on end in clear view of the southern sky (inside, outside, night and day, clear sky and overcast)
Today it was a heavy overcast day.
Test 1:
I placed the Prime flat on its back in front of the window (inside) and the phone next to it.
Result: 11 sats on my HTC sensation and as usual no sats on my Prime (pic 1)
Test 2:
Without moving the Prime I placed the phone on the area above the GPS antenna of the prime
Result: The HTC drops to 5 or 4 sats and the Prime suddenly sees up to 13 sats (pic 2a , 2b)
Test 3:
Without moving the Prime I remove the phone and place it next to the prime
Result: The HTC gets 8 sats again and the Prime drops down to 3 sats (pic 3). And gradually in time the Prime drops more and more sats until the effect is gone.
I couldn’t believe my eyes.
There is something very very very strange going on here. It must be some electromagnetic or static field that is killing the Prime’s GPS. The field even kills the HTC’s gps because if you fiddle around a bit with the location on the Prime the HTC drops down to 2 or 3 sats with hardly any reception.
The Prime isn’t equipped with a GPS but with a GPS-killer.
And apparently if field conditions are changed by an external source the Prime has a GPS that can see just as much sats as any other. No matter what sort of back plate it has.
And let this be a lesson for all you so called expert. If someone tells you he has experienced something. Don’t call names and flame. And don’t discard until you are a hundred percent certain that he is wrong. In the old days you would get burned if you said the earth is round ;-)
I will see if it is worth opening a new thread about this phenomenon
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OP might not know what he is doing but he is 10000 % right about the phenomenon.
Because all the experts were flaming him and calling him a retard I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and imitate his actions.
I haven't seen one satellite with my Prime for weeks. I tried everything but taking it apart. I've left it for days on end in clear view of the southern sky (inside, outside, night and day, clear sky and overcast)
Today it was a heavy overcast day.
Test 1:
I placed the Prime flat on its back in front of the window (inside) and the phone next to it.
Result: 11 sats on my HTC sensation and as usual no sats on my Prime (pic 1)
Test 2:
Without moving the Prime I placed the phone on the area above the GPS antenna of the prime
Result: The HTC drops to 5 or 4 sats and the Prime suddenly sees up to 13 sats (pic 2a , 2b)
Test 3:
Without moving the Prime I remove the phone and place it next to the prime
Result: The HTC gets 8 sats again and the Prime drops down to 3 sats (pic 2). And gradually in time the Prime drops more and more sats until the effect is gone.
I couldn’t believe my eyes.
There is something very very very strange going on here. It must be some electromagnetic or static field that is killing the Prime’s GPS. The field even kills the HTC’s gps because if you fiddle around a bit with the location on the Prime the HTC drops down to 2 or 3 sats with hardly any reception.
The Prime isn’t equipped with a GPS but with a GPS-killer.
And apparently if field conditions are changed by an external source the Prime has a GPS that can see just as much sats as any other. No matter what sort of back plate it has.
And let this be a lesson for all you so called expert. If someone tells you he has experienced something. Don’t call names and flame. And don’t discard until you are a hundred percent certain that he is wrong. In the old days you would get burned if you said the earth is round ;-)
I will see if it is worth opening a new thread about this phenomenon
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thank you!!
yeah, i wasn't exactly very clear as to what I was saying plus I didn't get to post any pics to back up what I was trying to explain.
I think the way the Prime is built (or the material used) is killing the signals. if you place the phone UNDER the Prime, you'll see a big drop in sat signals too.
I tried this because I can't open my prime and I also don't have the plastic tools to do it right (tried using a Swiss Army knife but I stopped short knowing it'll chip the glass)
Doktaphex said:
your thread makes absolutely no sense. Of course you can tether, why are you talking about putting the tethered antenna over the top of the internal antenna? I can only assume that English is not your first language and that you're using the wrong phrasing.
Either that, or you're an idiot, I tend to look at the first answer.
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Lol huh? How would placing a device that was totally separate from the prime next to it make the signal strength change? Aren't GPS receivers passive? This is bizzare... wish I had an EMF detector... wait that's ghost adventures....
To Chivas228. You might wanna change the name of the thread so it attracts the right attention. We need antenna or shielding experts to have a look at this information. Maybe change it to: 'GPS fixed with phone' or something like that. And edit the first post refering to my post and pictures.
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markimar said:
Lol huh? How would placing a device that was totally separate from the prime next to it make the signal strength change? Aren't GPS receivers passive? This is bizzare...
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It sounds crazy and it probably is. Seeing is believing. Just try it. Will take you five minutes.
Maybe the phone's GPS distorts the field around the Prime's GPS enough to open a window. Also I read in some posts about parasitical antennas. Maybe this is due to that phenomenon.
I dunno but it works.
All credit to the OP for doing something crazy.
Nefariouss said:
Why do you people have to be such dicks all the time. Ignore it and move on if you don't like the thread. Nobody wants to read all the retarded lol inb4ban haha u r retarded ****.
I believe he's just saying his prime could pull the sat signals easier when his phone had a solid GPS signal and placing his phone over his primes GPS antenna. While GPS over Bluetooth would be a better option this doesn't hurt anyone information wise.
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callig people names while trying to stick up for someone else isnt being the bigger man. you, too, could have handled that differently.
dingdonggggg said:
OP might not know what he is doing but he is 10000 % right about the phenomenon.
Because all the experts were flaming him and calling him a retard I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and imitate his actions.
I haven't seen one satellite with my Prime for weeks. I tried everything but taking it apart. I've left it for days on end in clear view of the southern sky (inside, outside, night and day, clear sky and overcast)
Today it was a heavy overcast day.
Test 1:
I placed the Prime flat on its back in front of the window (inside) and the phone next to it.
Result: 11 sats on my HTC sensation and as usual no sats on my Prime (pic 1)
Test 2:
Without moving the Prime I placed the phone on the area above the GPS antenna of the prime
Result: The HTC drops to 5 or 4 sats and the Prime suddenly sees up to 13 sats (pic 2a , 2b)
Test 3:
Without moving the Prime I remove the phone and place it next to the prime
Result: The HTC gets 8 sats again and the Prime drops down to 3 sats (pic 3). And gradually in time the Prime drops more and more sats until the effect is gone.
I couldn’t believe my eyes.
There is something very very very strange going on here. It must be some electromagnetic or static field that is killing the Prime’s GPS. The field even kills the HTC’s gps because if you fiddle around a bit with the location on the Prime the HTC drops down to 2 or 3 sats with hardly any reception.
The Prime isn’t equipped with a GPS but with a GPS-killer.
And apparently if field conditions are changed by an external source the Prime has a GPS that can see just as much sats as any other. No matter what sort of back plate it has.
And let this be a lesson for all you so called expert. If someone tells you he has experienced something. Don’t call names and flame. And don’t discard until you are a hundred percent certain that he is wrong. In the old days you would get burned if you said the earth is round ;-)
I will see if it is worth opening a new thread about this phenomenon
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so i decided to try this, even though i didnt believe it would work. i tried my phone every which way on my prime, even on the back and i still only get the 1-2 satellites as normal.
also, you arent supposed to be on wifi while testing this sort of thing, but both your tablet and phone are. you are supposed to turn off wifi, turn on gps, power cycle both devices, then test.
What the hells gone on with XDA ?
What the op was actually suggesting as a fix for gps was to get a bluetooth gps device & hold it where primes antenna is, He wasn't pointing out a phenomenon
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Instead of opening the prime, I would just get a Bluetooth GPS device that would search and lock on to the sats and place it next to where the Prime's antenna is located if I needed a GPS. Yeah, I know, another attachment but what the smell
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It is an absurd idea
I have seen people flamed far worse for far less
Me personally I have bluetooth gps receiver & if i was gonna use it I would connect it via bluetooth
I get the impression that nobody takes the time for reading a whole thread.
And as in current society when whe don't understand it we flame them
Just try it
Has nothing to do with BT but with another GPS being close to the Prime's GPS antenna.
Next is optional.
Not necessary but for the non-believers that think the gps-data comes from some other source.
To make sure nothing else is corruptin or giving you the locational data.
Turn of GPS, wifi, BT, cellular data, google locations on both your phone and the Prime.
Do a power cycle on both.
Start up your phone's GPS with GPS test or something.
Start up your Prime's GPS with GPS test or something.
Put the phone and the Prime next to each other in front of a window with view of some sky.
In my case no sats on the Prime and 11 sats on the phone.
Then put the phone on the screen of the Prime on top of the GPS antenna (right hand top corner, see pics earlier post).
And ............ wait for about ten minutes (max).
And magicly the Prime gets a fix on more and more sats.
I got a max of 13 satalites from behind a double glazed window on a heavy overcast (snowy) evening.
So just try it.
Or call me and the OP names and flame us.
Or even better Burn us witches at the stake ;-)
Oh sorry. I forgot. We are civilised nowadays
Just try it.
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stretchwookie said:
callig people names while trying to stick up for someone else isnt being the bigger man. you, too, could have handled that differently.
so i decided to try this, even though i didnt believe it would work. i tried my phone every which way on my prime, even on the back and i still only get the 1-2 satellites as normal.
also, you arent supposed to be on wifi while testing this sort of thing, but both your tablet and phone are. you are supposed to turn off wifi, turn on gps, power cycle both devices, then test.
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did as you stated.
See previous post.
Same result
12 sats
This is crazy!
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I can partially confirm this.
After testing this myth I found out the following:
Prime signal quality doesn't improve a lot for me, but it actually does improve
Signal quality of my Desire HD drops dramatically once it lies on the Prime
Everything can be repeated as often as you want
This is really strange.The Prime is getting more and more mysterious....
Wordlywisewiz said:
This is crazy!
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Did you try it?
Or are you just a disbeliever?
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Just delivered, put it on and it works great! Worked much better after a reboot.
Inside the house, solid brick house, got 12 in view 8 in use, 20 ft accuracy.
Good job Asus! Thanks!!!!
(I was one of the guys who registered during that tiny window that registration was open)
This may sound like a stupid question but has it helped your Wi-Fi? Did you use wifi analiser and do a speed test with and without it?
hunter99507 said:
This may sound like a stupid question but has it helped your Wi-Fi? Did you use wifi analiser and do a speed test with and without it?
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Its not a stupid question. I did hear that "some" units tested did show improvements in wifi performance but that "wasn't" what this dongle was designed for. In the brief test I did on this theory, I couldn't see any benefits. Possibly because my wifi performance is already pretty good. It might be beneficial to someone who's wifi performance is less than stellar. I still plan on testing this more thoroughly.
I can't wait until mine comes. If more people get them hopefully they will post there experience.
Came home to find FedEx had dropped off my dongle too. Asus has done right in my eyes as far as the GPS issue is concerned. Now to go try some Sygic....
Was just out driving, going 50 mph with 8.4 ft accuracy.
Works great!
Got my dongle in the mail
Ordered on the 17th, came today (19th). Bravo on fast processing and shipping, ASUS.
Tried my GPS indoors without the dongle. After about 5 minutes it found 6 satellites, locked 3. Accuracy of 900 feet.
Popped the dongle on. Said to update to the latest firmware, checked, pretty sure I am. Took a couple minutes, and nothing...then I decided to use the little switch to "lock" it into position. BAM! 12 satellites within 30 seconds, accuracy of about 36 feet. Went outside and got it down to 28 feet.
Sure it looks tacky, is a bit bulky, and doesn't work with the dock. But it's nice to know that GPS will (finally) work when really needed.
Oh, and it was free too. Score.
This is strange. In have mine and it vastly improves my GPS, but I can't seem to hold onto a lock in my car, or indoors at all . Any ideas?
I ordered 4.6.12 & mine just shows "submitted".... I have Champagne ... WTF
mick3444 said:
This is strange. In have mine and it vastly improves my GPS, but I can't seem to hold onto a lock in my car, or indoors at all . Any ideas?
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No reason why it shouldn't be able to. I was locked consistently over speeds 60-70mph. With great accuracy also(you can see my results from gps dongle test thread). Never lost the lock. Try doing a fresh reboot of your tablet and make sure the latch on the dongle is set to lock position. Also make sure you are on latest .21 update. Also make sure you have dongle and prime pointed towards the sky. Won't work as well if you have dongle pointed down.
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I ordered 4.6.12 & mine just shows "submitted".... I have Champagne ... WTF
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+1 me too, mine is champagne, i think the champagne color will be ship until next week, this week only gray...
Can we see some HD final production pics of the dongle? Does it have Asus branding?
So far I came across 1 issue. I haven't had a chance to try it again
1. Attached Dongle.
2. Turn on GPS Test + GPS
3. leave tablet by window
4. went to bathroom (~5 minutes...good times)
5. Came back and my tablet wouldn't turn on and did a self reboot when i tried to press power a few times.
I've never had a reboot problem since waayyyyy back when ICS was first released.
clockwork58 said:
So far I came across 1 issue. I haven't had a chance to try it again
1. Attached Dongle.
2. Turn on GPS Test + GPS
3. leave tablet by window
4. went to bathroom (~5 minutes...good times)
5. Came back and my tablet wouldn't turn on and did a self reboot when i tried to press power a few times.
I've never had a reboot problem since waayyyyy back when ICS was first released.
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Very doubtful its related to dongle. If anything its the GPS test app that could've caused it. Not the dongle itself.
clockwork58 said:
So far I came across 1 issue. I haven't had a chance to try it again
1. Attached Dongle.
2. Turn on GPS Test + GPS
3. leave tablet by window
4. went to bathroom (~5 minutes...good times)
5. Came back and my tablet wouldn't turn on and did a self reboot when i tried to press power a few times.
I've never had a reboot problem since waayyyyy back when ICS was first released.
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Keep us posted if it happens again.
Sounds very similar to what happens occasionally when docked to the keyboard. Interesting that it may also happen when GPS docked.
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Lock-N-Load said:
I ordered 4.6.12 & mine just shows "submitted".... I have Champagne ... WTF
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i have a champagne as well. ordered mine 4/16 and mine also shows submitted. maybe they dont have the champagne one yet?
I purchased mine when I was in Houston between Jan-Feb 2012. I am back to India. Will I be still eligible to get the dongle? I have applied for it and put in c/o address of my colleague in Houston. Also are there any shipping charges?
GPS Dongle
Hi,
I sent my demand for the GPS dongle to Asus Member website and in my demand it says:
Your application has been submitted 2012/04/16
does it means they are in the process of sending it ? Or do i have to wait for some other message from their part before its get processed. And how long does it takes to be sent if I live in Québec, Canada ?
Greamlive said:
Hi,
I sent my demand for the GPS dongle to Asus Member website and in my demand it says:
Your application has been submitted 2012/04/16
does it means they are in the process of sending it ? Or do i have to wait for some other message from their part before its get processed. And how long does it takes to be sent if I live in Québec, Canada ?
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Many are shipping out from Fremont California. I've seen one member from Canada receiving his within two days. Yours should be shipping soon. I also submitted application on 04/16 it's arriving today. It's the Grey dongle. My Champaign dongle still says submitted.
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After have a long time dealing with no gps lock with my phone I thought I would check inside and make sure the contacts were ok to the antenna. well come to find out they looked like they weren't even fully contacting the antennas contacts any longer.
IT IS AT THE USER'S DISCRETION
This should help take off the back to get to the contacts.....
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+Note+Display+Assembly+Replacement/16384
And the picture attached is the contacts you should pry up just enough that they stay bent up a little more then the were...if you bend them to far you could brake them off! So be careful!!!!!!
It has also been suggested to add a thin piece of plastic under the contacts to help hold them against the back cases antennas.
Before this fix I could drive 30-45min to work and never get a lock, after the fix it locked on inside my house within 3 sec of starting GPS Test! Good result!
I'd swear that's the wifi antenna contacts. That's exactly what I did to fix my poor wifi issue
Sent from a phone that's Note-worthy, via XDA Premium HD app.
This should be stickied. I just made the repair, and after months of no GPS, I finally get a fix again.
madman604 said:
I'd swear that's the wifi antenna contacts. That's exactly what I did to fix my poor wifi issue
Sent from a phone that's Note-worthy, via XDA Premium HD app.
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Both those antennas are in that location but those contacts go to the top corner where the gps is....
exlplains a lot, i always thought antennas required 2 contacts. i guess the upper one is GPS and the lower is wifi/BT.
thanks
im hoping this thread does get stickied! I had to do some searching around to find out this info to compile it for this fix.
worked. Thanks!
Plus one on the stickie. i did this and as you can see in the pic it only took less than 30 seconds. Very cool find.
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OP, just to clarify, have you always had GPS issues? If not, when did they start? Are you running ICS? Thanks!
bigmout said:
OP, just to clarify, have you always had GPS issues? If not, when did they start? Are you running ICS? Thanks!
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GPS worked for maybe 3 months after I bought the Note when it first came out...it seamed like it would start to lock slower and slower till 4-6 months ago it wouldn't connect at all...it would see satellites but never connect. Ive been on GB ICS and JB...all had the same result with the gps. I've tried different modems and even odin flashing back to GB stock rom still the same story....im running AOPK Mile 1 right now with UCLF6 modem...
Thread has been cleaned and evaluated and not just by me...
As with any Mods/tweaks and especially with physically modification done to one's device...
IT IS AT THE USER'S DISCRETION.
So a Better Warning should be displayed in the OP.
Thread open & Thank you.
bigjoe2675 said:
Thread has been cleaned and evaluated and not just by me...
As with any Mods/tweaks and especially with physically modification done to one's device...
IT IS AT THE USER'S DISCRETION.
So a Better Warning should be displayed in the OP.
Thread open & Thank you.
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Changes made thank you for the reopening the thread!
I personally did this when I was having GPS issues. I know it DOES work as before I couldn't get GPS lock now I can...within seconds.
And yes, there is always a chance you may damage your device but as long as you are careful and maybe watch some dismantling videos on YouTube it really isn't that hard. All I use was a tiny philips head screw driver and and plastic credit card to pry the device open.
Easy as that!
Well so far this did it for me :good: Initial testing in house was great, quick lock with many satellites in use. I'll be taking a drive later to see if it really worked. Never mind slow lock, I used to drop GPS signal often wile it was in use, so a roaming test is in order for me to be truly satisfied.
Barry (NJ) said:
Well so far this did it for me :good: Initial testing in house was great, quick lock with many satellites in use. I'll be taking a drive later to see if it really worked. Never mind slow lock, I used to drop GPS signal often wile it was in use, so a roaming test is in order for me to be truly satisfied.
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Good to hear! let us know the results!
ksprelude01 said:
Good to hear! let us know the results!
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All kinds of awesome :good: took a 15 mile drive and it tracked my location perfectly the whole way and never dropped the signal or gave me the circle of vague location.
If you're at all capable with common tools I highly recommend this fix. If you're not comfortable taking things apart and putting them back together, try to grab a friend who is, and have them do this for you.
Big thanks to you ksprelude01!!!
Barry (NJ) said:
Big thanks to you ksprelude01!!!
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Not a problem man! Just glad it fixed it!
Another happy customer
I just wanted to chime in also, my GPS is working perfect once again!
Thanks for the info man, I also wanted to add that I used a small safety pin to pry up the pins...
You need good eyes cause those pins are tiny, so be careful! Lol
Thanks again.
Xtra
ksprelude01 said:
After have a long time dealing with no gps lock with my phone I thought I would check inside and make sure the contacts were ok to the antenna. well come to find out they looked like they weren't even fully contacting the antennas contacts any longer.
IT IS AT THE USER'S DISCRETION
This should help take off the back to get to the contacts.....
http://guides.durapowerglobal.com/Guide/How+to+Take+Apart+Samsung+Galaxy+Note+i717/4/1
And the picture attached is the contacts you should pry up just enough that they stay bent up a little more then the were...if you bend them to far you could brake them off! So be careful!!!!!!
Before this fix I could drive 30-45min to work and never get a lock, after the fix it locked on inside my house within 3 sec of starting GPS Test! Good result!
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Wow. Just wow.
I was seriously pondering picking up a refurb or even the Nexus 4. I was at my wit's end. I figured, if my GPS doesn't work, what do I have to lose if I break something? So I did this, shoving a precision screwdriver under the antenna leads so they stand at about 10 degrees. I buttoned up the phone and finally got a GPS lock, albeit a slow one. After opening it again, I brought the angle to about 30 degrees.
BAM! From where I sat deep into a room with a window facing another house and a sliver of rainy skies, I was able to lock in my position in under 10 seconds.
Several reboots afterwards, each one confirming a quick position lock, I feel I can-beyond the shadow of a doubt-endorse this solution.
SPtheALIEN said:
Wow. Just wow.
I was seriously pondering picking up a refurb or even the Nexus 4. I was at my wit's end. I figured, if my GPS doesn't work, what do I have to lose if I break something? So I did this, shoving a precision screwdriver under the antenna leads so they stand at about 10 degrees. I buttoned up the phone and finally got a GPS lock, albeit a slow one. After opening it again, I brought the angle to about 30 degrees.
BAM! From where I sat deep into a room with a window facing another house and a sliver of rainy skies, I was able to lock in my position in under 10 seconds.
Several reboots afterwards, each one confirming a quick position lock, I feel I can-beyond the shadow of a doubt-endorse this solution.
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Good to hear that there was another successful fix! Feels good to have gps back again doesn't it?