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The phone says its wireless N able but I can't seem to get it to see my wireless N network over 5GHz. It sees my wireless G network over 2.4GHz fine but not wireless N over 5GHz evidently.
Anyone gotten theirs to connect to N networks? If so what were your configs for channel, and all that if you mind me asking?
I haven't had any issue connecting to wireless n. I'm connected at home, girlfriends and work. My router is channel 11, gf is channel 6. I don't know about work.
Night·Fire said:
I haven't had any issue connecting to wireless n. I'm connected at home, girlfriends and work. My router is channel 11, gf is channel 6. I don't know about work.
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If your on channel 11 then your only on 2.5GHz not 5GHz. do me a favor and while your connected on your Evo3D go into wireless settings and click on the network that your connected to and tell me the speed it shows. Willing to bet its only 65Mbps, which is because your on 2.5GHz and not 5GHz.
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The phone says its wireless N able but I can't seem to get it to see my wireless N network over 5GHz. It sees my wireless G network over 2.4GHz fine but not wireless N over 5GHz evidently.
Anyone gotten theirs to connect to N networks? If so what were your configs for channel, and all that if you mind me asking?
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There is a difference between A/N and B/N.
B/N is 150Mbs + and has better penetration than A/N. You're asking the wrong question.
Yes, you can connect to a B/G/N network. No you cannot connect to a 5.0GHz anything network.
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There is a difference between A/N and B/N.
B/N is 150Mbs + and has better penetration than A/N. You're asking the wrong question.
Yes, you can connect to a B/G/N network. No you cannot connect to a 5.0GHz anything network.
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So this has a single antennae then correct just like the Evo4G did which is why it couldn't connect to 5.0GHz networks?
j/w b/c I can't get past 65Mbps on the connection while I thought the 3D had a better wireless card in it than the 4G. Its not my router as I get boost up to 130Mbps on my laptop connected to same SSID at times.
Just a bummer thought we were getting a true wireless N capable phone.
This makes me wonder even more why they took out N capability in the Evo4G update and never added N to the spec sheet.
A single antenna is not what makes it 2.4GHz vs 5GHz. The single antenna basically limits it to Wireless N, 150Mbps vs 300Mbps. The 5GHz is just the frequency that it travels over, and most mobile devices won't do 5Ghz, and will only have a single antenna.
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A single antenna is not what makes it 2.4GHz vs 5GHz. The single antenna basically limits it to Wireless N, 150Mbps vs 300Mbps. The 5GHz is just the frequency that it travels over, and most mobile devices won't do 5Ghz, and will only have a single antenna.
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So your able to connect over 2.4GHz freq and your evo3d shows its connected at 150Mbps??
I have a top of line netgear full dual band router here so I know its not that, esp seeing as my pc connects at 150Mbps over the 2.4GHz band. I'm checking this by just clicking on the SSID after connected on the Evo3D, or checking Status on my PC's connection.
Dont get why I'm always showing 65Mbps on the Evo3D. Would of thought that since they are publishing that they support Wireless N as opposed to the Evo4G who only had 1 antennae, that I would connect at higher speed than the Evo4G. did
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So your able to connect over 2.4GHz freq and your evo3d shows its connected at 150Mbps??
I have a top of line netgear full dual band router here so I know its not that, esp seeing as my pc connects at 150Mbps over the 2.4GHz band. I'm checking this by just clicking on the SSID after connected on the Evo3D, or checking Status on my PC's connection.
Dont get why I'm always showing 65Mbps on the Evo3D. Would of thought that since they are publishing that they support Wireless N as opposed to the Evo4G who only had 1 antennae, that I would connect at higher speed than the Evo4G. did
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There's nothing more misleading than the whole "link speed". I've never seen an actual 150Mbs off of my A/N "300Mbs" connection, and that's with the laptop sitting 4ft from the router. The phone can't utilize anywhere near that bandwidth, and I'm willing to bet that even if your internet is several MB/s, you won't actually find a website to give you more than 1.2MB/s. Microsoft is one of the few that I know of that can really dish the data out.....but how often are you downloading massive updates?
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There's nothing more misleading than the whole "link speed". I've never seen an actual 150Mbs off of my A/N "300Mbs" connection, and that's with the laptop sitting 4ft from the router. The phone can't utilize anywhere near that bandwidth, and I'm willing to bet that even if your internet is several MB/s, you won't actually find a website to give you more than 1.2MB/s. Microsoft is one of the few that I know of that can really dish the data out.....but how often are you downloading massive updates?
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Not concerned with internet speed and more so looking at my internal network speeds for file transfers and such.
I get that it can be missleading but do not get that if the Evo4G which has a less powerful card than the 3D evidently that the 4G and 3D show the same link speeds.
I prob need to check the specs on each phones card really though the more i think about it b/c most i have been going off of is word of mouth like the 4G only having 1 antennae and such. No clue if the 3D has 2 or not.
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Not concerned with internet speed and more so looking at my internal network speeds for file transfers and such.
I get that it can be missleading but do not get that if the Evo4G which has a less powerful card than the 3D evidently that the 4G and 3D show the same link speeds.
I prob need to check the specs on each phones card really though the more i think about it b/c most i have been going off of is word of mouth like the 4G only having 1 antennae and such. No clue if the 3D has 2 or not.
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You'll probably find that the WiFi and BlueTooth antenna are shared....and if a phone has an FM rx, it too will use that antenna. Not likely to find a cellular with dual WLAN antennas.....they're not really built to be a dedicated WIFI anything.
If you're concerned about xfer rates on the phone, yank the SD card out and put it in a reader. That's the fastest way to get data to the phone, followed by hooking up the phone via USB. The phone has no use for WLAN data rates above 15Mb/s. If you're transferring movie files, use the USB connection method. Outside of that, don't sweat it. I honestly couldn't see someone moving GBs worth of data on a constant basis with the phone.....and if you are, sounds like you should look at something with larger storage like a Tablet PC.
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You'll probably find that the WiFi and BlueTooth antenna are shared....and if a phone has an FM rx, it too will use that antenna. Not likely to find a cellular with dual WLAN antennas.....they're not really built to be a dedicated WIFI anything.
If you're concerned about xfer rates on the phone, yank the SD card out and put it in a reader. That's the fastest way to get data to the phone, followed by hooking up the phone via USB. The phone has no use for WLAN data rates above 15Mb/s. If you're transferring movie files, use the USB connection method. Outside of that, don't sweat it. I honestly couldn't see someone moving GBs worth of data on a constant basis with the phone.....and if you are, sounds like you should look at something with larger storage like a Tablet PC.
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I hear ya im aware of outside options. I just thought that since this phone is supporting wireless N fully then the link speeds would be able to be higher than the link speed on the 4G.
But again like i said before i really need to get down to it and look at the documentation of the chips used on the 4G and 3D to see what differences there are.
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NVM makes sense now. both phones have the same Broadcom chip inside. the Broadcom BCM4329.
BUT whats odd is that from what i read that chip only supports bluetooth 2.1 while we supposedly have 3.0 on this phone. Also interesting is the chip supports 5GHz dual band. here
I don't think my 3D has connected to 5GHz on my home network. I have a dual-band N router, and I have 5GHz as the primary, so my laptop and media player connect to that immediately.
I only noticed my 3D on the 2.4GHz part of my network. I haven't tried manually connecting it to the 5GHz band, but if it could, I would have assumed that it would automatically.
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NVM makes sense now. both phones have the same Broadcom chip inside. the Broadcom BCM4329.
BUT whats odd is that from what i read that chip only supports bluetooth 2.1 while we supposedly have 3.0 on this phone. Also interesting is the chip supports 5GHz dual band. here
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Well, when it comes to "N", there are several factors that come into play. One, the wireless chip MAY be able to support the A frequencies, you're talking about additional code to make it work with rest of the phone. Antenna isn't an issue since 2.4 is half of 5.0. A 1/2 wavelength 2.4GHz antenna, is about a full length 5GHz antenna if memory serves me correctly (that and the 36hrs I've been up). Another thing that comes into play as far as the bandwidth is concerned is channel width. There is also MIMO too....but the phones will be basic of basic. The fact that N support is enabled is surprising, but it's most likely just a selling point. It supports the most basic N, with the smallest channel width, and clearly MIMO isn't supported. Routers can be configured to B or G or N only, sometimes combos of them as well. I use DDWRT on my routers and it allows virtually everything to be manipulated. Either way though, there is a lot of features to cram into the small area that is the cellphone, and if you ever take a look at a full featured ABGN mini pci-e WLAN card, you will see that there is still a decent size to it when all the features are present.
Ok, I think that's about all I can add to the topic, LOL
N is the technology that delivers faster then G speeds using MIMO packets.
A is the technology that frees up the crowding of B/G Networks by running on 5GHZ as opposed to 2.4GHZ
BGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ spectrum capable of running the N packets.
ABG Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running the B/G packets.
ABGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running BGN packets.
It's retarded how they label it. LOL but you can run N on 2.4 spectrum or 5GHZ spectrum.
Most mobile devices only see 2.4GHZ spectrum since they only have one antenna.
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N is the technology that delivers faster then G speeds using MIMO packets.
A is the technology that frees up the crowding of B/G Networks by running on 5GHZ as opposed to 2.4GHZ
BGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ spectrum capable of running the N packets.
ABG Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running the B/G packets.
ABGN Refers to a 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ spectrum capable of running BGN packets.
It's retarded how they label it. LOL but you can run N on 2.4 spectrum or 5GHZ spectrum.
Most mobile devices only see 2.4GHZ spectrum since they only have one antenna.
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Actually, abg means that it can use the 802.11a, 802.11b, or the 802.11g standard, and abgn adds 802.11n. 802.11A is a very different standard than N, and is incompatible with the others, whereas B, G, and N are forwards and backwards compatible, except for N going over a 5Ghz signal, which still isn't compatible with A.
All that said, I'm pretty sure that this phone will only support 802.11n over 2.4GHz at 150Mbps. I don't have the phone yet, but I'm basing this off the fact that nearly all portable devices that use 802.11n are that way. At least I haven't seen one that is capable of either using 5GHz, or 300Mbps.
My EVO 3D does NOT see my 5 GHz N network.
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My EVO 3D does NOT see my 5 GHz N network.
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I have the exact same issue. My laptop sees my 5ghz ssid, but my MT4G doesn't. The weird thing is, I've flashed several ROMS to my phone, and none see it. I did however, flash the stock ROM (froyo 2.2.1) today for the sh*ts and giggles of it, and it saw the N ssid! WTF.
Hi all Finally received my Transformer Prime yesterday and this device is truly amazing(coming over from the Transformer which i love as well). I was disappointed though when i connected to WIFI and experienced super low speeds.At Close range 4 down 3 up and medium 700 kbps down and 300kbps up(for the record i usually get 17 down and 5 up with my Galaxy Nexus and Transformer1 ). Although the speed is not great i figured a firmware updates would fix the issue. Fast forward to this morning at where I decided to try the Prime connected to my normally slower work network and I'm receiving a pimg of 5ms and 10 down and 27 up! This all leads me to the conclusion that there are setting on my router that need to be changed or a router model that is better than others for the Transformer Prime. I'm currently using the Trendnet Dual band 450Mbps Wireless N Gigabit Router( simultaneous 5ghz and 2.4ghz broadcast with wep security on the2.4 frequency) but i can test my oldish Dlink 655 N router tonight.
Anyone having luck or failure with their router configs or models let us know and maybe we can figure out what routers or settings work best of our new Prime.
I know the 5ghz on the prime is not enabled, so it can't see that frequency, that might be part of your problem at home. also use wifi analyzer to figure out which frequency has the least interference from other wifi signals nearby.
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I know the 5ghz on the prime is not enabled, so it can't see that frequency, that might be part of your problem at home. also use wifi analyzer to figure out which frequency has the least interference from other wifi signals nearby.
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Its possible but the 5ghz is a separate frequency so it should not effect the 2.4ghz spectrum. As for WiFi analyzer thanks for the advice ill try that tonight as well.
I was wondering if any prime owners tryed to connect on a N-Only wifi?? on the box it says a/b,g,n wireless but when i try to set my wifi to N-Only, i can see the network but theirs no way the prime is connecting to it. I have to switch it back to either Mixed or G/N Mixed, and then im able to connect with a max connectivity with router of 54mbps. This problem was present before and after ICS update, my router is a Asus RT-N12 (tryed with stock firmware, updated stock firmware and with DDWRT). I Would like to know if any of you guys tryed this out I feel i'v been kinda scammed
PS. (I checked out on Q&A for the prime and couldnt find any post related to this if you guys know there is already one, please just give me the link i'll continu posting on the other thread thanks)
I can't connect to my "N" router either. Mine doesn't even show up in my TF.
is it a TF prime or the first one?
N-5ghz is not supported, putting it in 2.4Ghz mode should work (at least, it does on mine... whether there's a difference or not is another thing)
I can connect my prime to my router with N only as long as its on 2.4GHZ and between channels 1-11. I wish I could pick up 12-14 because I live in an apartment complex with crowded wifi. Router is Cisco E2000 with DDWRT firmware...
The link speed showing on the network signal app only maxes at 54 mbps though. I can stream 1080p mp4s from my network drive though so its fast enough for me...
RT-N12 is operating on 2.4ghz and does not support 5ghz. Are you sure you are in "N-Only" mode or are you in "Mixed"??
This has been discussed in great detail in general section. Its known Prime can't connect to 5Ghz. set it to 2.5 or G only. G only seems tl yield best results. also check this article out..might help.
www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
Yes, it connects 2.5 N only but the performance is pathetic. Prior to ICS, I got curious changing my 2.5 GHz band to strictly G. Saw an immediate boost in performance + speeds.
Yes so far I am very disappointed. I just got the Prime today and it immediately updated to ICS. Once that was done I started checking out the wifi ability right away, because of all the bad reports all over the internet. Much to my surprise, mine doesn't see my wireless N either. I had the TF101 prior and it worked fine with my router. My Samsung E4GT phone sees it just fine, and what really hurts is my wife's iPad 2 sees it, connects to it and pulls just under 20mbps speeds.
To say this sucks is an understatement. I hate losing to Apple in any way, and here I am with the latest and greatest Android tablet, and being punked by a nearly year old IOS device.
Crap
I have no wifi issues with my N router... Performance can be a little better (speed wise) but no issues connecting at all, my router is cisco
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Yes so far I am very disappointed. I just got the Prime today and it immediately updated to ICS. Once that was done I started checking out the wifi ability right away, because of all the bad reports all over the internet. Much to my surprise, mine doesn't see my wireless N either. I had the TF101 prior and it worked fine with my router. My Samsung E4GT phone sees it just fine, and what really hurts is my wife's iPad 2 sees it, connects to it and pulls just under 20mbps speeds.
To say this sucks is an understatement. I hate losing to Apple in any way, and here I am with the latest and greatest Android tablet, and being punked by a nearly year old IOS device.
Crap
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What do you stream over 5ghz network to iPad? 1080p movies? It redundant...just turn down to 2.4 and everyone is happy.
Having a technically higher spec which does not improve on daily usage is redundant.
jedi5diah said:
What do you stream over 5ghz network to iPad? 1080p movies? It redundant...just turn down to 2.4 and everyone is happy.
Having a technically higher spec which does not improve on daily usage is redundant.
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Exactly, the prime doesn't support the 5Ghz frequency. Only supports 2.5ghz N or whatever. There's only a few tablets that do actually support 5ghz. All it takes is a simple change n it'll work. THE whole argument that it should work on any network is b.s. Especially if you have it set to something not supported. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I've always used N-Only. I get a decent connection to my Transformer Prime with it too.
Mines is the cheap Belkin N150 router so I doubt it does that 5Ghz range as that seem like a setting for a higher priced N router.
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I can connect my prime to my router with N only as long as its on 2.4GHZ and between channels 1-11. I wish I could pick up 12-14 because I live in an apartment complex with crowded wifi. Router is Cisco E2000 with DDWRT firmware...
The link speed showing on the network signal app only maxes at 54 mbps though. I can stream 1080p mp4s from my network drive though so its fast enough for me...
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Point 1: Your are in the US, so you are not allowed using anything except 1-11 by FCC regulations.
Point 2: N-Only often turns on channel bonding in soho equipment like yours, so it needs 8 full channels to use it properly. Each channel is 5 MHz apart from the other and a WiFi device uses channels in a/b/g that are 20 MHz wide, in 11n with channel bonding (which is an optional feature for the high data rates) they use channels of 40 MHz. So dividing the 40 Mhz by 5 Mhz makes using of channel 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7. If you would live in Japan, on only country that is allowed to use channel 14. So for US it would be channel 11-4. This explains why channel bonding in the 2.4 GHz band is a band ides unless you are living in a big ranch 500 feet away from the next WiFi router.
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I've always used N-Only. I get a decent connection to my Transformer Prime with it too.
Mines is the cheap Belkin N150 router so I doubt it does that 5Ghz range as that seem like a setting for a higher priced N router.
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Cool device, taken from the specs page of belkin.com:
Security: Wi-Fi Protected Setup, 256-bit WEP (64-128bit), WPA-PSK (TKIP), WPA2- PSK (AES) with WPS Push Button
Range of up to 1,000 ft.
Link Rate: Up to 150Mbps in 40MHz Channel Mode Bandwidth 20 MHz & 20/40 MHz auto
ISP Protocols Supported Dynamic, Static, PPPoE, PPTP, Telstra Bigpond, L2TP
Compliant Standard IEEE 802.11b, 802.11g
So no 11n support per specs, but the Overview page tells 150 MBits are supported, so it can run 75 Mbits without channel bonding and 150 with.
Try out the WiFi Widget it tells you the data rate to the WiFi router.
jedi5diah said:
What do you stream over 5ghz network to iPad? 1080p movies? It redundant...just turn down to 2.4 and everyone is happy.
Having a technically higher spec which does not improve on daily usage is redundant.
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I spent the extra money to purchase a dual band router, so I could broadcast N and G as two separate signals. As I understand it, if you broadcast both on a single signal, and you have some older devices that require and connect to the G band, it will automatically cut the speed back, to whatever the slowest device connected is capable of. At least that is the way it was explained to me. So the N was on 5ghz and G was on 2.4ghz. It has always worked with any other wireless N device I have had, until I got this "latest and greatest" tablet. So yes now I have downgraded my wireless network to only 1 band, to accommodate the Prime.
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I spent the extra money to purchase a dual band router, so I could broadcast N and G as two separate signals. As I understand it, if you broadcast both on a single signal, and you have some older devices that require and connect to the G band, it will automatically cut the speed back, to whatever the slowest device connected is capable of. At least that is the way it was explained to me. So the N was on 5ghz and G was on 2.4ghz. It has always worked with any other wireless N device I have had, until I got this "latest and greatest" tablet. So yes now I have downgraded my wireless network to only 1 band, to accommodate the Prime.
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If you have 2.4ghz g network, prime should be able to detect it. Check if your dual band is working properly...
Wireless n is impt only if you stream HD movies. I stream music on g with no problem at all.
I know you feel frustrated, and I know it sucks as prime is supposed to be PRIME. If you intend to stream HD movies to prime you may have to "down grade" to 2.4ghz if not wireless N is kind of overrated or "miss used" as I see no use of having to stream HD to non HD devices. If you are a home theater enthusiastic or business it then wireless n 5mhz is a must.
Hope you can move on to appreciate the quad core of prime than dwelling on this issue.
Cheers!
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N-5ghz is not supported, putting it in 2.4Ghz mode should work (at least, it does on mine... whether there's a difference or not is another thing)
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Dah!!
I just open a new thread for this very issue.... I'm sure I'm going to get ding for it.
any way...
Mine doesn't connect to the "N" wireless
My router hosts "N" and "a/b/g" modes cisco 3200
it only connects to the 2.4 Ghz a/b/g mode...
Desn't work even if I set the "N" mode to 2.4 Ghz channel and turn OFF the a/b/g mode.
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Dah!!
I just open a new thread for this very issue.... I'm sure I'm going to get ding for it.
any way...
Mine doesn't connect to the "N" wireless
My router hosts "N" and "a/b/g" modes cisco 3200
it only connects to the 2.4 Ghz a/b/g mode...
Desn't work even if I set the "N" mode to 2.4 Ghz channel and turn OFF the a/b/g mode.
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You right about getting ringed..lmao. I just posted to your thread. 5Ghz N range is marketing b.s. its way overhyped n not as good as people think anyways. Read this tech article to get the real scoop on it and tips.
Www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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You right about getting ringed..lmao. I just posted to your thread. 5Ghz N range is marketing b.s. its way overhyped n not as good as people think anyways. Read this tech article to get the real scoop on it and tips.
Www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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I did read it and thank you at the other thread....
Great Read...
Thanks again.
Ok guys I read somewhere in here that the Prime did not play nice with Wireless N so here is what I did using my D-link wireless router:
Changed wireless settings from N to G only and ran some tests here is what i got:
WiFi Analyzer - -50/-44 dbm
Speedtest.net- Ping 17ms 8275dn and 2125up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - it now can see 9 sats and lock to them but the signal is still very poor (between 10 /20 SNR) so the navigation dops the signal but IT CAN SEE THE SATS!
Changed wireless G to N and this is what I got:
WiFi Analyzer - -61/58 dbm ( the lower the number the better the signal)
Speedtest.net- Ping 72ms 6420dn and 1233up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - 0 sats
Changed the wireless N to N+G and this is what I got:
WiFi Analyzer - -55/50 dbm
Speedtest.net- Ping 24ms 8225dn and 1790up Average ( I have a 8Mb connection)
GPS Test - It can see 4 sats but wont lock
What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
Can anyone else confirm and post? Thanks
>What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
It shouldn't matter. N's main advance over G is its MIMO transmission, 5GHz inclusion, and doubled bandwidth (40MHz) mode (some turbo-G versions have channel bonding, but they were proprietary and not interoperable between brands). The Prime has a single xmit/2 rcv ant (nix MIMO), single-band (nix 5GHz), and only works with 20MHz bandwidth. You should not notice a difference between N and G wrt the Prime. In fact, as the majority of wifi in laptops and PCs are of the cheaper single-band variety, this applies to those as well.
Many early N routers are draft-N, and N mode can be problematic, especially in mixed mode use. That's probably why some people noticed an improvement when they switched to G. Many people also use TKIP in WPA/WPA2, which also leads to slowdowns.
To answer your question directly, sure, change the various settings and see if they make a difference. But if you get an improvement in G over N, it probably means you should upgrade to a newer router--or at least find an updated firmware if one is available. The improvement would apply to other devices and not just the Prime.
BTW, since wireless performance is highly variable, you would want to take a number of tests and take the avg, rather than rely on a single reading.
That was a helpful post E.mote, thank you.
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>What does it all mean???? I have no idea, all i know is that im going to leave my router on G from now on.
It shouldn't matter. N's main advance over G is its MIMO transmission, 5GHz inclusion, and doubled bandwidth (40MHz) mode (some turbo-G versions have channel bonding, but they were proprietary and not interoperable between brands). The Prime has a single xmit/2 rcv ant (nix MIMO), single-band (nix 5GHz), and only works with 20MHz bandwidth. You should not notice a difference between N and G wrt the Prime. In fact, as the majority of wifi in laptops and PCs are of the cheaper single-band variety, this applies to those as well.
Many early N routers are draft-N, and N mode can be problematic, especially in mixed mode use. That's probably why some people noticed an improvement when they switched to G. Many people also use TKIP in WPA/WPA2, which also leads to slowdowns.
To answer your question directly, sure, change the various settings and see if they make a difference. But if you get an improvement in G over N, it probably means you should upgrade to a newer router--or at least find an updated firmware if one is available. The improvement would apply to other devices and not just the Prime.
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or maybe is one more thing that the primes have wrong with them...don't get me wrong I love my prime and I DO NOT WANT TO GET RID OF IT i just wish there were some answers to all of our questions or maybe i should stay away from all the forums and pretend that there is nothing wrong with it and the $500 was money well spent. Thanks for your input
router is 2 weeks old and it has the latest firmware. (first thing i checked) the post does say Average.
Wireless N 5Ghz is so overhyped n overrated. It get less range than the 2 4Ghz band.
Read this tech article that shows how most people got scammed by 5Ghz band hype.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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Wireless N 5Ghz is so overhyped n overrated. It get less range than the 2 4Ghz band.
Read this tech article that shows how most people got scammed by 5Ghz band hype.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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I work in IT field and deal with plenty of routers I will take G over N any day range is always much better which explains why Prime works so much better with G because of the aluminum backplate blocking some of the Wi-Fi signal the range isn't as good as your everyday Wi-Fi device dead spots about 10 ft difference.
Maybe this doesn't apply to some but with wireless g my speed tests are at about 15-20mbs and with N its the full 36-42 mbs. So if your internet is slower than 20mbs g is probally fine but I NEED n to work to get the most out of my connection.
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So ive got 20mb internet and have the virgin media hub, wireless connection is awful upstairs, do i go with n or g and is the prime not compatible at all with n
The Prime operates in the 2.4ghz band, forget the 5ghz, it will do nothing for your Prime, I also made tests to my network and disconnected the 5ghz band after getting results like the OP. ATM, my network operates G only and I'm getting great results.
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So ive got 20mb internet and have the virgin media hub, wireless connection is awful upstairs, do i go with n or g and is the prime not compatible at all with n
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I would definitely go with wireless N. If you have problems like very slow speeds switch back to G.
The prime seems to support wireless N speeds up 65 mbs.
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>with wireless g my speed tests are at about 15-20mbs and with N its the full 36-42 mbs.
N has better throughput and range, assuming good antennas on both ends that allow for MIMO/dual-stream use. G is needed for legacy pre-N devices. I use both.
>wireless connection is awful upstairs
Options to boost wifi in your home:
. Try a different router. Routers can vary in performance.
. Repeater (old router retrofitted with DD-WRT firmware) to extend your router's range. Repeaters aren't common as consumer products nowaday, since they need some knowledge to set up.
. Powerline adapters (pair). These are convenient but relatively expensive. Advertised for ~200Mb/s, but more realistically 100-150. They're getting more common; most vendors have a line. Performance depends on house electrical wiring.
. MoCA adapters, assuming house is wired for cable-TV (RG-6 coax). These can also be expensive, but you can hunt around for older stuff on eBay for cheap. It's more reliable than powerline.
I dropped 802.11g long ago like it was hot like I did 802.11b before it.
802.11n is now, the Transformer prime supports all of them and changing wireless broadcast to anything lower than N is just to give you less of what's current and best.
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I dropped 802.11g long ago like it was hot like I did 802.11b before it.
802.11n is now, the Transformer prime supports all of them and changing wireless broadcast to anything lower than N is just to give you less of what's current and best.
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Not really if the devices you own don't "see" the 5ghz frequency, only but the newest electronics operate on that band, you Prime don't for example, and it's new.
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After reading this I was interested to see if this was having any effect. I tried several different settings:
G - only
N - 20MHz (single channel)
and N - 40Mhz (channel bonding)
I found that by far the best setting was single channel N. I've gone from having virtually no usable connection in parts of my house, to a usable throughput in all parts of the house. Also did some tests using WiFi analyser and speedtest.net and found consistently higher throughput and signal strength using this setting.
My conclusion, it seems to have a problem with wireless N channel bonding.
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Not really if the devices you own don't "see" the 5ghz frequency, only but the newest electronics operate on that band, you Prime don't for example, and it's new.
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I don't have a dual band N router but if I did I wouldn't set it to operate in 5Ghz only mode, I would keep it functioning as a dual band mode so both 2.4 and 5 Ghz bands were active for complete 802.11n functionality.
That way all my N devices would see the N broadcast.
That's the point, I do have a dual band router, I tested the network with both frequencies on, and disconnected the 5ghz band after testing the 2.4ghz alone, the network signal is weaker with both on.
If you stream alot of video and have devices capable of taking advantage of the higher frequency, very well, if you don't or don't stream that much video anyway, having the 5ghz on, doesn't make any sense. In my case, weakens my signal, it works for me to shut it down, maybe for others this doesn't apply.
Signal strength depends of so many factors, the environment where a network is set, strongly dictates the outcome in performance and stability of it, no network behaves the same. My network is working in top condition for the environment around it, that's what it matters for me.
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I just purchased a new Netgear WNDR4500 from the reviews, this is the fastest Wireless router on the market today.
I noticed on my wifes IPad(1) she sees both the 2.4G and 5G networks, on my laptop, I see both of them, on both my Android EVO 4G running rooted Kings ROM Unleashed R5 and my Transformer Prime, I can not see the 5G network.
This router supports SIMULTANEOUS DUAL BAND — Runs both 2.4 and 5GHz bands concurrently.
So I am trying to figure out why my Prime does not see the 5G network?
it doesn't have a 5Ghz radio so you won't see that network.
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it doesn't have a 5Ghz radio so you won't see that network.
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Kinda what I thought, was hoping I was wrong. Which also means it does not support Wireless N
It does support Wireless N. Just not the overhyped and less than stellar 5Ghz band. People so fooled by marketing hype on that frequency. It actually not guareenteed tl get faster speeds and has alot less range than 2.4ghz band. Prime does support the N 2.5ghz.
Check this tech article link out that may open your eyes to how the market fooled everyone into thinkn 5Ghz is so great. When in reality its not..lmfao
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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It does support Wireless N. Just not the overhyped and less than stellar 5Ghz band. People so fooled by marketing hype on that frequency. It actually not guareenteed tl get faster speeds and has alot less range than 2.4ghz band. Prime does support the N 2.5ghz.
Check this tech article link out that may open your eyes to how the market fooled everyone into thinkn 5Ghz is so great. When in reality its not..lmfao
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed
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*shrug*
Sure, it's not guaranteed to be faster, but it can be a lot faster for many. By way of example, there are 15+ different wifi routers around my apartment... there is a TON of 2.4Ghz interference, and my testing reveals significantly higher performance using the 5 Ghz band.
More options are better for customers, and it's a shame that the TFPrime only gives us 2.4 Ghz.
you might find it a shame but in reality it does not make a difference unless you are running servers type environment. my hd streaming with n 2.4hz is perfectly fine.
but again, watch HD movies on 10.1 screen is dumb n redundant. IMO.
Ya used to work a tech store in a mall, there were 30+ 2.4ghz networks visible from my store, we set up on 5ghz and no problems connecting, much better speed, a lot lower range. Its intentionally lower range to help reduce the problem of overcrowding the system.
Anyways, confirm, no 5ghz abilities on the prime. Shame, really, they could have put it in, however with the other wifi issues i guess its one more thing to go wrong.
I'm curious as to your setup of the 4500. I've got the 3700 and I had issue with the N band of the 2.4gHz. I found when I set it at 145Mbps the Prime would connect. When I set it at 300Mbps it wouldn't. In fact nothing wanted to connect when I had the 2.4Ghz set to 300Mbps.
How do you have yours running?
note: Would the 300Mbps setting on the 5gHz cause any issue?
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Ya used to work a tech store in a mall, there were 30+ 2.4ghz networks visible from my store, we set up on 5ghz and no problems connecting, much better speed, a lot lower range. Its intentionally lower range to help reduce the problem of overcrowding the system.
Anyways, confirm, no 5ghz abilities on the prime. Shame, really, they could have put it in, however with the other wifi issues i guess its one more thing to go wrong.
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The framework is in the kernel. Its might just be a matter of Asus not enabling it yet like faceunlock and wifi direct. Once bootloader unlock tool drops, developers will more than likely be able to enable these features.
same problem
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I just purchased a new Netgear WNDR4500 from the reviews, this is the fastest Wireless router on the market today.
I noticed on my wifes IPad(1) she sees both the 2.4G and 5G networks, on my laptop, I see both of them, on both my Android EVO 4G running rooted Kings ROM Unleashed R5 and my Transformer Prime, I can not see the 5G network.
This router supports SIMULTANEOUS DUAL BAND — Runs both 2.4 and 5GHz bands concurrently.
So I am trying to figure out why my Prime does not see the 5G network?
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I also have the same problem. Did you find the answer to this question?