Seems like our friendly neighborhood mods have managed to drive ATGAdmin who devs Primalicious off the development forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23307767
This comes a week or so after Jermaine who deved AOKP left for seemingly similar reasons. This is really sad as we have relatively few roms for this device at present. At this rate we will soon have none.
I am sure that mean many of us would like to know exactly what is going on but unfortunately us little people are left to suffer the consequences of what appears to be somewhat officious, over zealous mods.
An explanation would be wonderful but all I expect is this thread to be deleted and me to be banned
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Wtf!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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XDA moderator double standards????
Interesting.
Hope he moved to rootzwiki at least.
did ATG ever post up his sources? they seem to be cracking down on that aspect of developement. a
sad to hear he has left though. he was a cool guy. I'm just glad at least we have root and overclock already..lol
more will come though. hopefully atg comes back though. what's even sadder is that he never once asked for a donation. doesn't even have a donate button. he did all his developement out of love of doing it and showcasing his work to others to make a device more enjoyable
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Hope he moved to rootzwiki at least.
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i don't see him over there. at least not currently. he could be in the process of transferring thread though.
Most likely Google threatened XDA owners.
Mods are just reacting as a result of an executive directive.
Google urban dictionary for the definition of "forum moderator" though.
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shinzz said:
Hope he moved to rootzwiki at least.
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Be careful! Rules here state that XDA is the only website in existence when it comes to development. Speaking otherwise is blasphemy!!!!!!
And also reminiscent of Nazi Germany...
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That sucks....now I'm starting to feel like I should've got the Samsung note instead of the prime....
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What happen? Plz tell me am Thai and my English not to strong thx
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Bummer. Wish I could say I'm surprised. Hopefully he'll move along on to better pastures. XDA is NOT the only game in town.
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Seems like our friendly neighborhood mods have managed to drive ATGAdmin who devs Primalicious off the development forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23307767
This comes a week or so after Jermaine who deved AOKP left for seemingly similar reasons. This is really sad as we have relatively few roms for this device at present. At this rate we will soon have none.
I am sure that mean many of us would like to know exactly what is going on but unfortunately us little people are left to suffer the consequences of what appears to be somewhat officious, over zealous mods.
An explanation would be wonderful but all I expect is this thread to be deleted and me to be banned
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What a damn shame. I watched the AOKP debacle as it happened, so I started a thread to let people know ( in no detail) what happened, posted NO links, and my thread was edited by Diamondback and then closed within hours. He said I was speaking on which I did not know LOL. I have screenshots of PMs and ****....I DO know what happened. Anyway, it was prob DB showing his nuts off, and it is a damn shame.
Let's all try to keep things civil and play nice together. As Rex from Toy Story once said so eloquently "I don't like confrontations.."
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The thing is, all his ROM was, if I recall correctly was a totally stock ROM deodexed. He made it specifically for folks who had unlocked and didn't want to mess around too much. Therefore, he should not need to post sources, as they are ASUS ROMs and everyone knows where they're from.
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Indeed, the most important part is, that the ROM is covered under Apache license and not under GPL like a kernel, so there really is no need to show source, really ridiculous that all.
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did ATG ever post up his sources? they seem to be cracking down on that aspect of developement. a
sad to hear he has left though. he was a cool guy. I'm just glad at least we have root and overclock already..lol
more will come though. hopefully atg comes back though. what's even sadder is that he never once asked for a donation. doesn't even have a donate button. he did all his developement out of love of doing it and showcasing his work to others to make a device more enjoyable
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I really hope that you're right about more roms coming. The development forum is becoming a graveyard - there is barely anything going on there. ATGAdmin, Jermaine and MasterZen88 (who thankfully is still there) were arguably the most interactive, responsive devs in there. Now two are gone, which doesn't leave us with too much going on.
Here's the facts as I see it:
April 22: new forum mods assigned
April 25: AOKP/Jermaine leave citing mod hypocrisy
May 2: Primalicious/ATGAdmin leave citing mod hypocrisy
As others have stated, since both Primalicious and Virtuous are both virtually stock then the same rules should apply to both of these regarding posting source. If I have misinterpreted something I would be happy for a mod to set me straight, but the fact is we hear nothing and this leaves events open to interpretation.
To me, this seems more about egos and less about forum rules. Us users get caught in the middle of this foolishness and we are the ones who suffer the consequences.
I'm bettering my android development (at the rooted app level currently) but still not quite my way towards building roms.
worst case scenario and transformer prime development becomes a deadzone - I can cash in on my sqauretrade warranty via an "accidental" drop in the pool.
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As others have stated, since both Primalicious and Virtuous are both virtually stock then the same rules should apply to both of these regarding posting source. If I have misinterpreted something I would be happy for a mod to set me straight, but the fact is we hear nothing and this leaves events open to interpretation.
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Concerning this one special point here (and nothing else):
ROMs that are based on the stock kernel ( stock zImage (+ ramdisk edits)) do not require sources since there are no sources which could be made public.
Hence there is no need for any stock ROM to post sources according to XDA & GPL.
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XDA moderator double standards????
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rorytmeadows said:
Most likely Google threatened XDA owners.
Mods are just reacting as a result of an executive directive.
Google urban dictionary for the definition of "forum moderator" though.
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Well while I am not sure what happened over on the other thread - this thread serves no purpose other than to incite angst over something 99.9% of those on XDA will have no idea about.
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Be careful! Rules here state that XDA is the only website in existence when it comes to development. Speaking otherwise is blasphemy!!!!!!
And also reminiscent of Nazi Germany...
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Oh please... really? #1 - you were there in Nazi Germany? #2 - you have no idea what you're talking about. Please move along.
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What a damn shame. I watched the AOKP debacle as it happened, so I started a thread to let people know ( in no detail) what happened, posted NO links, and my thread was edited by Diamondback and then closed within hours. He said I was speaking on which I did not know LOL. I have screenshots of PMs and ****....I DO know what happened. Anyway, it was prob DB showing his nuts off, and it is a damn shame.
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Actually - with me having been involved in that - you truly DON'T know all that happened. And to have PMs which have nothing to do with you is poor form on whomever sent you them - and would speak to the maturity of the situation.
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Indeed, the most important part is, that the ROM is covered under Apache license and not under GPL like a kernel, so there really is no need to show source, really ridiculous that all.
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Actually - again - be careful about what you speak. Any ROM, even if it's based on stock, if it uses a custom kernel - the source for that kernel must be posted.
I am closing this thread. There is no need for it unless we're in high school and this is the parent/teacher conference where we all ***** and whine and moan - but if it is, I didn't get the memo.
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My question is of a serious nature.Even though Im not exactly new here I am new to the Rezound section.I noticed earlier that a thread I was reading was shut down.It was shutdown mid-read and i have a question about that.
It seems that one person whined about dmeadows asking for donations not for himself but for another awesome developer who has the ability to bring something everybody wants but nobody else has the ability to deliver including the gentleman who got the thread shut down.
Maybe a Mod can help me understand the rules.As long as xda has existed these sorts of "Help a Dev help us" threads have existed and were perfectly ok.See Here:
http://www.google.com/cse?q=bounty+...59-1#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=bounty thread&gsc.page=1
But one thread gets closed down because someone who is a well known donation hound complains because they arent getting the attention and/or donations.If you are going to apply your gestapo tactic rules to one apply them to all,not just when your buddy complains to you about it in a pm.Im genuinely confused about this.I read and reread the rules and dont understand where it says this is acceptable behavior.
that whole situation reminds me and hopefully reminds the one who's allowed themselves to be intimidated to "practice before you preach"
I'm not really sure whats going on around here recently... people are acting all sorts of edgy in Rezound land. All I can say is - WOW. I'm starting to think humanity is devolving quickly.
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or is the correct word de-evolving??
As I said in another thread:
The donations for Protekk were merely made to purchase him a Rezound, with this Rezound he could work on the RIL. NOT AOSP/AOKP Roms. What he does after is his choice.
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I believe I may have made a mistake myself and posted in the wrong section.Please feel free to move this or even delete it after I get an answer.
I completely agree. all were willing to contribute to a cause. can't get progress going without the device.also just because there's unfinished projects doesn't mean someone deserves to be put on the spot like that.
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I completely agree. all were willing to contribute to a cause. can't get progress going without the device.also just because there's unfinished projects doesn't mean someone deserves to be put on the spot like that.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
the overall point is to be a team and help each other not go after someone which is clearly a rule they broke themselves. breaking one rule to publicly point out another rule which is still questionable broken or not is not why we're here. this behavior needs to stop and we need to be a team if we are going to make goals happen
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the overall point is to be a team and help each other not go after someone which is clearly a rule they broke themselves. breaking one rule to publicly point out another rule which is still questionable broken or not is not why we're here. this behavior needs to stop and we need to be a team if we are going to make goals happen
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You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA and there wasn't any issue with it till someone got jealous.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA and there wasn't any issue with it till someone got jealous.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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I'm sure if the bounty was for Cyanogen, this would be a different scenario.
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bob24260 said:
You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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It does. It was a move that is similar to Apple trying to stomp out competition by patent trolling. And believe me, that particular developer has just lost a lot of respect from the community. I for one have no problems saying publicly that I don't condone that behavior, nor will I support developers who engage in that kind of activity.
I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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ok well this could have been it. but there are other ways to go around this. one is if you just click the report button and tell the mod that he received the phone and that it should be closed.
what they did was go in and flame the $h|T out of Dmeadows, when all they had to do was suggest to him that he needs to contact the mods to close it.
this is why i wont post stuff on xda anymore. it seems like there are more people out to flame then just help. most of the people just jumped on the ban wagon when a dev was involved. all the dev had to do was pm meadows and that would have been it. but he just wanted to post so everyone can see how much of a BA he was. that is not needed at all.
Wow. I just saw the thread with the people involved. Shocked at who it was and what they said.
A simple PM wouldve helped. When you come out your face like that you lose really quick.
Ijs, d helped us get joelz here and joelz work has helped the complainer and others out and im sure prot would done the same . Its messed up really, and i can see what people mean with how the community is going down, especially when the devs are part of it too, smh. Lol crazy.
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ok well this could have been it. but there are other ways to go around this. one is if you just click the report button and tell the mod that he received the phone and that it should be closed.
what they did was go in and flame the $h|T out of Dmeadows, when all they had to do was suggest to him that he needs to contact the mods to close it.
this is why i wont post stuff on xda anymore. it seems like there are more people out to flame then just help. most of the people just jumped on the ban wagon when a dev was involved. all the dev had to do was pm meadows and that would have been it. but he just wanted to post so everyone can see how much of a BA he was. that is not needed at all.
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i really dont know what to do on here but i guess i jumped on the bandwagon and i apologize for that im not to familiar with the rules.i think that scott has lost a lot of respect from the rezound community
Dstu03 said:
I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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I understand what you're saying there and I partially agree but the part I am most agitated about and have a hard time understanding is the fact that one person is being told they are breaking the rules by asking for something that doesn't yet exist,but that same thing he is getting ripped on for has occurred over and over since Androids beginnings on XDA but it was never made an issue of before and allowed to happen by mods and administration alike.But when one person who out of pure jealousy makes an issue out of it,the rule is then enforced.
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SO glad that people see that a simple PM would have been a better choice. You guys give me hope that XDA can be fixed.
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Flaming doesnt get us anywhere. Plus D was trying to do a good thing for the community. HE got the ball rolling on getting the correct people involved and bringing more options and development to our phones.
I dont want to add anymore and i know im breaking a rule by attacking one individual. This should note be considered a flame, but as an inspiration to RELAX. We are all trying to achieve one goal.
who complained? was it markus?
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SO glad that people see that a simple PM would have been a better choice. You guys give me hope that XDA can be fixed.
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I dont' think XDA is the real problem... its just a few bad attitudes in here. XDA has the largest user base, meaning there's a larger pool of potential trouble-makers. It does surely get annoying from time to time, but if everybody on XDA simply moved to another forum, the same drama would likely just follow the users...
I'm not really sure there is a solution, except for ignoring the trouble makers..
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who complained? was it markus?
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Nah, just check the get protekk a rezound thread and you'll see.
Well, that just sucks.
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Fool
Most of the devs are fathers...or have fathers...
i hope that they wont fukin work and do what devs do on this very special day.
Still a ways off before any "official" build. Keep an eye on the dev section.
This is a bad thread and not really the sort of "content" that is welcome here.
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Happy Father's Day to everyone who's a Dad.
Is it sad of me to buy a NT so it can just sit on the shelf until CM9 is ready for it? I'm ready to give my NC/CM9 to my oldest daughter so I can use the NT for my business. Full Tablet Functionality + Built-in mic + BlueTooth + WiFi = Google Voice on a Tablet making bi-directional phone calls while remoting into a desktop fixing a PC, checking e-mail's, scheduling techs, and more.....
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Happy Father's Day to everyone who's a Dad.
Is it sad of me to buy a NT so it can just sit on the shelf until CM9 is ready for it? I'm ready to give my NC/CM9 to my oldest daughter so I can use the NT for my business. Full Tablet Functionality + Built-in mic + BlueTooth + WiFi = Google Voice on a Tablet making bi-directional phone calls while remoting into a desktop fixing a PC, checking e-mail's, scheduling techs, and more.....
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Nook tablet does not have the necessary hardware to support Bluetooth.
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lol
just get ur dads a samsung galaxy S3
Cubanluke88 said:
This is a bad thread and not really the sort of "content" that is welcome here.
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If you couldn't tell by the way the title was written, tongue in checkishly, that this was a joke I'm sorry. I planned on coming back later and adding another post with some other goofy crap and wish everyone a happy father's day but was unable to.
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Jokes can, in fact, be bad.
Sorry
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Cubanluke88 said:
Jokes can, in fact, be bad.
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It's a "General" thread. Even bad jokes fit. I took it not only to be humerous but a compliment to the Devs who are working to provide something special like a great Father's Day present! Maybe let up a little on your ownership of this space.
1stepp said:
It's a "General" thread. Even bad jokes fit. I took it not only to be humerous but a compliment to the Devs who are working to provide something special like a great Father's Day present! Maybe let up a little on your ownership of this space.
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Wow---I am not the only one that feels this way. Thanks for the comment.
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Maybe let up a little on your ownership of this space.
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Right after you let up on making stupid assumptions.
I have every right to voice my opinion, just like you do.
Notice people thanked my original post, indicating some people agree that this sort of "joke" isn't a good joke.
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Right after you let up on making stupid assumptions.
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I see the "THANKS" button down there, but I can't find the "DOUCHE" button. I'm new here, so is it like a postcount thing or what?
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I see the "THANKS" button down there, but I can't find the "DOUCHE" button. I'm new here, so is it like a postcount thing or what?
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A quality post indeed.
Your contribution to this forum is noted.
I understood the humor in it immediately.
I also saw the humor.
Some people on here (not naming names) don't like any humor and like to police the threads like they were mods. Again this is the "General Thread" and I didn't see any harm in what was said.
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I also saw the humor.
Some people on here (not naming names) don't like any humor and like to police the threads like they were mods. Again this is the "General Thread" and I didn't see any harm in what was said.
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Yes, stating ones opinion is indeed, "policing."
Re: no its not. That's dumb.
I saw the humor just fine. Allow me to reiterate: jokes can in fact, be bad. I thought it was a poorly executed joke. Get over it. Not everyone needs to agree and just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean you need to start making posts that attack others.
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Yes, stating ones opinion is indeed, "policing."
Re: no its not. That's dumb.
I saw the humor just fine. Allow me to reiterate: jokes can in fact, be bad. I thought it was a poorly executed joke. Get over it. Not everyone needs to agree and just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean you need to start making posts that attack others.
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The thing is we feel you are the who likes to attack and are rude in your comments. Like I tried to say in a earlier post to you, but you will never understand it. The one thing is you do offer a lot of help to people with some of your replies, just stop trying to be the moderator. That is for someone else to do.
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Well look what we have here! Samsung has finally released the source code for the i777 ICS kernel.
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=I777
helfrez said:
Well look what we have here! Samsung has finally released the source code for the i777 ICS kernel.
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=I777
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And we care why? I'm damn near positive it doesn't benefit us
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Nick281051 said:
And we care why? I'm damn near positive it doesn't benefit us
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Why does every **** and Jane feel the need to jerk off on the forums? The post is in the general forum, and it is general information. Go troll some other thread for attention please and thank you.
helfrez said:
Why does every **** and Jane feel the need to jerk off on the forums? The post is in the general forum, and it is general information. Go troll some other thread for attention please and thank you.
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because your posting crap about ICS for our device. we dont care, its old and we've had it perfect for quite some time now.
we're onto Jellybean. thats news. ICS source....no DEV cares about that.
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because your posting crap about ICS for our device. we dont care, its old and we've had it perfect for quite some time now.
we're onto Jellybean. thats news. ICS source....no DEV cares about that.
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I rest my case your honor lol. Point proven.
helfrez said:
Why does every **** and Jane feel the need to jerk off on the forums? The post is in the general forum, and it is general information. Go troll some other thread for attention please and thank you.
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I rest my case your honor lol. Point proven.
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Wow way to be a ****, really this information is pointless
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I mean its cool that they FINALLY decide to do this, and I'm sure that there will be some people who it will benefit. But as someone already said,I think that the development will be headed towards trying to get a working stable jelly bean build.
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Imagine if we would've had to wait on ICS source to having working ICS. D:
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I mean its cool that they FINALLY decide to do this, and I'm sure that there will be some people who it will benefit. But as someone already said,I think that the development will be headed towards trying to get a working stable jelly bean build.
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No debating that fact, this was just a simple post about something relevant to the device being FINALLY made available. If I thought it would be responsible for some development breakthrough, I would have put it in the dev forum..no wait, that's for development..so I is just a general piece of information...but wait it's in general..
The ongoing problem, not just here, but rampant everywhere, is people feel empowered to be jerks because they have some grand illusion of themselves being elite. The post was general information, in the general section, for the specific device, there was no need for the snarky remarks. It's just another shining example of how much things have changed around here, and not for the better.
Last time I checked, XDA didn't have a rule that stated that only information deemed relevant to MotoMudder77 and Nick281051 may be posted in the General Section. To Phalanx7621's point, many people are looking upward and onward to JB, but it is going to be awhile before we see a fully stable JB build, as many of the ICS build still have quirks. Maybe this can help, maybe it won't, but how about we leave it up to the actual rom developers to decide.
Red5 can you just lock this thread before it get's out of hand. Thanks.
nbunn said:
Imagine if we would've had to wait on ICS source to having working ICS. D:
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I know right. Kernels are never really CRITICAL unless there is a bad driver incompatibility or something of that nature. Look at something like my old Atrix, the ICS builds are still struggling due to a lack of drivers.
Actually this is very useful. Although we know it's there we can finally see the brickbug in the flesh. It's often useful to do a full source tree compare to see if there is anything 'interesting' left out between i9000 and i777.
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No debating that fact, this was just a simple post about something relevant to the device being FINALLY made available. If I thought it would be responsible for some development breakthrough, I would have put it in the dev forum..no wait, that's for development..so I is just a general piece of information...but wait it's in general..
The ongoing problem, not just here, but rampant everywhere, is people feel empowered to be jerks because they have some grand illusion of themselves being elite. The post was general information, in the general section, for the specific device, there was no need for the snarky remarks. It's just another shining example of how much things have changed around here, and not for the better.
Last time I checked, XDA didn't have a rule that stated that only information deemed relevant to MotoMudder77 and Nick281051 may be posted in the General Section. To Phalanx7621's point, many people are looking upward and onward to JB, but it is going to be awhile before we see a fully stable JB build, as many of the ICS build still have quirks. Maybe this can help, maybe it won't, but how about we leave it up to the actual rom developers to decide.
Red5 can you just lock this thread before it get's out of hand. Thanks.
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What quirks does ics have? We only needed i9100 source. This will lead to no "developmental breakthrough"
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I agree with OP, this is information relevant to our device and so belongs in the general section. If someone feels it isn't, be civil about it. Politely state your opinion and leave the thread. There's no reason to carry a bad attitude about it.
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Nick is a wanna be mod that ****s in every single thread that people post. Useless post is useless.
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kletiz said:
Nick is a wanna be mod that ****s in every single thread that people post. Useless post is useless.
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and this thread is done.....
we have source, good deal. whether or not we need it matters none.
good share, but trust that those who actually want it, knew about it before this thread.
You call his posts useless, we are trying to help noobs realize what is important and what isnt.
This thread. useless. along with my posts explaining all this.
now lets let this be huh?
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Nick is a wanna be mod that ****s in every single thread that people post. Useless post is useless.
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I'm not a wannabe mod and i dont **** on everyone's post, you're full of crap
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I'm not a wannabe mod and i dont **** on everyone's post, you're full of crap
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Just go away, kid
Source dropped. That's nice can we be civil and move on.
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And we care why? I'm damn near positive it doesn't benefit us
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Yeah, it was only useful to figure out whether UCLE5 was dangerous.
Some users determined that the hard way for us.
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The bad blood of some of the posters is an awful ingredient for a good community.
The elitism is discouraging and the arrogance poisoning.
You know that if a thread seems useless to you, why post and give it relevance? Let it die and it will truly reach irrelevance. There's no further point for a thread that went to oblivion (aka page 5+).
To me it reeks of immaturity and arrogance, and a huge lack of perspective on the world, internet forums and life in general.
This could have little to no value to most/all devs, but what's the need to state it over and over again. This thread has few insightful responses and they come from real devs like Entropy.
If you have never developed a single non-trivial program, how can you be so fast to judge a source code that you won't even download, read or understand? As Entropy stated, at least this gives us some insight on the brick f--k up. Too bad we could not gather it non-empirically.
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Sorry for the rant.
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A bar of soap in a sock for Private Pile.
dsb9938 does some great work. As a (non-Android) developer myself, I know how frustrating it can be when software issues arise, especially when you have ungrateful users that feel like they are entitled to a piece of software that is developed for free by someone in their spare time that asks for nothing in return. It's disgusting. This is why we can't have nice things.
I hope that dsb9938 decides to come back. We need people like him to help unlock our devices full potential. Screw the whiners. Let them be drown in their own misery.
I agree with you... But this thread is getting locked in 3-2-1 BOOM!
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I was really dissapointed when I see closing threads of DSB. I was using his great kernel. He made so much for us... WTF. I missed a lot. Is there anything we can do to deal somehow the issue with this lurke69 ??
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Melodycd said:
I was really dissapointed when I see closing threads of DSB. I was using his great kernel. He made so much for us... WTF. I missed a lot. Is there anything we can do to deal somehow the issue with this lurke69 ??
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His account us temporarily disabled but he could probably make a new one or something since its not IP banning
Ban him. Pure and simple
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Brilliant guys.. at least get the guys name correct..Lol
If you can't handle the heat get out of the "kitchen".....
RLKirk said:
So there is no thread for *****ing so I am making myself one. I absolutely hate to no end that a couple of douchefags can ruin a good thing for everyone. One such big douchebag is that retard Luke666. How can he go in and start *****ing to a good dev like DSB who is doing so much good work for little to nothing or free. I am absolutely pissed of the outcome of the situation but I respect DSB's decision to move away from the jumpsuit and hope one day he can change his mind. I am from the rezound forums which had so much bull**** go on. I wish everyone that wants to run thier mouth would just scream at theirselfs in the mirror or bang their head on a door frame its all just BS but ok then we cant all get what we want. If a mod can close this thread as not to cause I flame war it would be great I just needed to get this off my chest. I hope everyone, well everyone but Luke667 had a Merry Christmas and has a Happy New Year
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And this comment makes you better than Luke 666 or Luke 667 or Luke1333? This is the issue with xda members. If you don't have something good to help the situation out don't say anything. Name calling isn't the answer.
Ranger093 said:
If you can't handle the heat get out of the "kitchen".....
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This is in no way helpful
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This looks like the Rezound forum all over again. Sigh...
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
This looks like the Rezound forum all over again. Sigh...
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kids who read GPL and think they are owed, and DESERVE something. people like DSB do it in his free time, and people expect paid support.
that is what this is.
All i have to say about all of this is. Anyone should be able to say there opinion. That is in a good way. If you are just writing a post to piss someone off i believe that you should be banned from the forums. No ifs, and's, or buts.
It is ridiculous anyone would grip about a mod that clearly starts off with the phrase "I am in no way responsible..." I haven't even switched from the stock rom just because I want things to work. If I was willing to explore and felt like reloading my setup to switch roms, I wouldn't *****. It is to be expected. When a new rom is released, I wait to see what the issues (if any) are before I would attempt a re-flash.
There are good devs on this board but I have seen quite a few of them get chased away by whiners and complainers. Hell, I am still using a rom from Roebeet on my GTab who used to be here but left for the same reason. He actually started his own website to build roms. It is a hobby, not a job. Don't expect stuff and you will not be disappointed.
Just remember, a lot of these whiners are the new generation who will be running this country in a few years and making it suck for all of us.
So I just picked up my replacement DNA last night and it just hit me. How am I going to unlock and root without the unsecured kernel? Or anybody else for that matter. This is bigger than first imagined if only very early adopters have root. Wow this sucks bad.
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While Luke's comments weren't "productive" , they also were not rude or ban worthy. While I enjoy dsb's work, he has a bad attitude in general and I thought it was disrespectful as well as made him look like a giant cry baby for saying he'd never release anything else because Luke asked him to have some accountability for the fact he messed up on his latest kernel, 2.3.1 which was rebooting everybodies phones. Luke may have gone about it the wrong way, but I believe he felt as I did. Felt that dsb was ignoring the fact that there was something seriously wrong with his latest kernel. Dsb had incinuated that it wasn't his kernel that made everbodies phones lock up and reboot, but it was "problems with the phone, even on stock". Nobody minds if you make a mistake and your work directly messes up phones. At least take responsibility and admit you were wrong so you can start working on a fix. Also dsb was frequently rude to commentors who did nothing wrong or acted flip towards them. This behavior is simply unacceptable especially for a recognised developer. Recognized developers represent xda and they should carry themselves with respect for others and themselves while posting on the forums, even if others don't always.
To the OP of this thread. Grow up.
Danzoman316 said:
So I just picked up my replacement DNA last night and it just hit me. How am I going to unlock and root without the unsecured kernel? Or anybody else for that matter. This is bigger than first imagined if only very early adopters have root. Wow this sucks bad.
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You can still do all those things. I followed the cube kernal from day one and to me the luke guy is being made a villian here. don't know him, don't care to know him. but DSB was very sarcastic to him on the forums. that's when they both started talking crap. either way it sucks and hope he decides to return. i used all the kernals he made and ended up sticking with the unsecured. but swipe to unlock was great. unless you've read the entire cube thread don't jump to judge.
Luke *****ed about every build and he kept egging on the dev every chance he could. As noted in another thread about this, Luke was rude to the moderators too so it's not just DSB.
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Luke *****ed about every build and he kept egging on the dev every chance he could. As noted in another thread about this, Luke was rude to the moderators too so it's not just DSB.
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Luke definitely is missing a filter. Again for me this isn't about Luke's actions but Dsb's. Dsb will constantly run into lukes everywhere in life. Not just on the forums. My advice to dsb is to work on his forbearance for others.
A contributor or dev posts a ROM and many people download and flash it. The ROM is solid yet has a few bugs. The Dev responds to comments about these bugs and says they will be fixed in the next release. For the benefit of the doubt let's say a few weeks go by and the Dev volunteers info about this ROM but says a release isn't ready yet. Fair enough. A few more weeks go by with no mention of a release. Why is asking for an ETA frowned upon in this, albeit rare, situation?
The go to response is "these guys do this on their own time. They aren't being paid. How dare you even assume to think that you deserve any sort of progress update". I get it, but my point is, the Dev posts a ROM for it to be used by the people and to get offended because someone asks for an ETA is kind of ridiculous to me. If the Dev was doing it for just himself he wouldn't post it on the forum and I'm saying that making the ROM public comes with a few caveats. Like maybe some people have an Interest in progress.
Full disclosure: I've been an xda user for a long time and I've seen many people needlessly get their heads bitten off for asking for an ETA. I want to ask for an ETA in a thread and I'm afraid of the stupid backlash.
Maybe this goes in the general section. I'm not sure. I am technically asking a question.
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thenaut said:
A contributor or dev posts a ROM and many people download and flash it. The ROM is solid yet has a few bugs. The Dev responds to comments about these bugs and says they will be fixed in the next release. For the benefit of the doubt let's say a few weeks go by and the Dev volunteers info about this ROM but says a release isn't ready yet. Fair enough. A few more weeks go by with no mention of a release. Why is asking for an ETA frowned upon in this, albeit rare, situation?
The go to response is "these guys do this on their own time. They aren't being paid. How dare you even assume to think that you deserve any sort of progress update". I get it, but my point is, the Dev posts a ROM for it to be used by the people and to get offended because someone asks for an ETA is kind of ridiculous to me. If the Dev was doing it for just himself he wouldn't post it on the forum and I'm saying that making the ROM public comes with a few caveats. Like maybe some people have an Interest in progress.
Full disclosure: I've been an xda user for a long time and I've seen many people needlessly get their heads bitten off for asking for an ETA. I want to ask for an ETA in a thread and I'm afraid of the stupid backlash.
Maybe this goes in the general section. I'm not sure. I am technically asking a question.
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Well let's see,
They are doing this on their own time and money
They are doing this for FREE
The have jobs,
They have familys
Changing one item will or may affect other portions of the rom
Sometimes the best of intentions don't work out
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIVE MINUTE JOB
It only takes a couple of minutes............................................hours later the change still does not work!!!!!
You should be ashamed for even bringing the topic up!
RLGL said:
Well let's see,
They are doing this on their own time and money
They are doing this for FREE
The have jobs,
They have familys
Changing one item will or may affect other portions of the rom
Sometimes the best of intentions don't work out
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIVE MINUTE JOB
It only takes a couple of minutes............................................hours later the change still does not work!!!!!
You should be ashamed for even bringing the topic up!
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Well, I'm not ashamed.
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thenaut said:
Well, I'm not ashamed.
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Then crack a couple books and start learning yourself rather than sitting on the sidelines asking the coach when you are gonna get some game time while only wearing your shower cap!
This is so funny to me. Everybody walks on eggshells and they all think the same thing. "I wonder how the Dev is coming along"? It's hilarious.
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thenaut said:
This is so funny to me. Everybody walks on eggshells and they all think the same thing. "I wonder how the Dev is coming along"? It's hilarious.
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I don't think that. I am happy a Rom is even released. In a house building scenario: you build a house/shelter for everyone. There is a minor flaw in the foundation due to termites or something... Nothing too serious, not life threatening. You still have to go and fix it without messing up anything on top of the foundation. You try to fix it only to see making that quick fix actually made the plumbing wonky. You fix the plumbing only to see it made it worse. Might as well just keep it the way it was before.
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Uzephi said:
I don't think that. I am happy a Rom is even released. In a house building scenario: you build a house/shelter for everyone. There is a minor flaw in the foundation due to termites or something... Nothing too serious, not life threatening. You still have to go and fix it without messing up anything on top of the foundation. You try to fix it only to see making that quick fix actually made the plumbing wonky. You fix the plumbing only to see it made it worse. Might as well just keep it the way it was before.
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Honestly, this post is more directed at users who get bent out of shape when someone even mentions an ETA. rudeness is the perfect word. I've never asked because I personally feel similar to you. I still wonder, though. The reaction to this question by users makes my skin crawl.
Related: when someone is ordered to read an OP and subsequent posts that consists of 100 pages. Really? I just want to know what the bugs are and I'm being told to read small talk anecdotes and broken English? It's stupid and rude.
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I get where you are coming from. If its a month out on something that was said a few days or a week. In that sense someone should reach out to the dev. If it hadn't happened with the instagram downloaded for xposed then none would have started the project themselves. But for other things, you do have to remember most of the people here lead a life with full time jobs and maybe a family issue or job issue came up. While they are making these things for us, it isn't their responsibility to inform people they Dont really know if a family member died or something.
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I get where you are coming from. If its a month out on something that was said a few days or a week. In that sense someone should reach out to the dev. If it hadn't happened with the instagram downloaded for xposed then none would have started the project themselves. But for other things, you do have to remember most of the people here lead a life with full time jobs and maybe a family issue or job issue came up. While they are making these things for us, it isn't their responsibility to inform people they Dont really know if a family member died or something.
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I agree. I'm also not calling out the devs with this post, although it may seem that way. The devs are the experts here and of course they have lives not connected to android. My beef is with the children like buddy up there with the first reply on this thread. His answer is exactly why I've been staying away from these forums.
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Just ignore em. Gotta remember there are people that are angry in general and that need to find an outlet for it. Not your fault, just the internet. Easily ignored. I think it was a good question. Been following these forums for over a year now and you do see it all too often.
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I agree. I'm also not calling out the devs with this post, although it may seem that way. The devs are the experts here and of course they have lives not connected to android. My beef is with the children like buddy up there with the first reply on this thread. His answer is exactly why I've been staying away from these forums.
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If that's what you think then you should know you came off wrong...which happens when conversing over type.
I took your post to be in the same offensive category as the self entitled who demand updates. (And yes I deal with them too).
I would much rather be wrong on my initial assessment of your OP but please understand how it was received.
Hi all...this thread caught my eye. Interesting subject. Nothing wrong with it. Its the little script kiddies that hold real devs to god-like status that act rude.
Been around since the G1. Hasn't changed. If a dev is worth a flip he or she will not get all bent out of shape. Has the right to say back off but at least it's from the guy with the actual talent saying it! I've seen devs eat that crap up and get diva complexes which makes me laugh when it happens. Threatening to stop work yada yada. Told one to piss off and leave...a long time ago, different forum. Someone took up that diva's slack...ended up with a nice ROM for a crap phone.
Good times.
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