Yes, we now have root. But...
1. We still don't have ROMs cooked as per the chefs/devs choice
2. We don't have (official) ICS yet,
3. The activity is less in the ROM section as compared to other phones, except for a couple of ICS ROMs tweaked here and there.
I don't know and I am asking, do we have a bootloader unlocked yet? If not, then it's point number 4.
I agree the phone is fairly new, but not like its getting younger by the day.
Quad-Core phones are already here, and companies slowly phasing out Dual-Cores. Now where do we go from here.
I am just trying to understand if I have made an investment or a mistake.
The question is, do we realy need an Quad-Core in our Phones or is just the industrie telling us, that we need a Quad in our Phones...
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That's not the point. The point is, will we see good Devs/Chefs working on ROMs or not, porting various devices' UI?
I see some good Devs working for the RazR @ the Moment.
Just relax and see, what's coming with the official ICS...
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No one is phasing out dual core processors. Yes, there are some quad cores. Yes, there will be more. But you don't need 4 cores for a good phone experience unless you're a hardcore gamer. And frankly, if you're a hardcore gamer, why are you using a phone?
The Nokia Lumia 900 uses a single core processor and it runs WP7 silky smooth. Of course a dual core will perform better when you're multitasking, but 4 cores is a bit much.
There's plenty of life left in the Razr. I think, at this point, we're all waiting for the official ICS release slated for later this month. I expect a flurry of activity once it's out in the wild.
Fingers crossed and hopes high. I really wanted to flash ROMs from different devices and push the phone to its limits.
And I agree, lets just wait and watch.
Its like having a quadcore pc when the only thing you use it for is internet browsing
the main thing that makes me want to upgrade/change my mobile phones is the battery life not how many cpu cores that will drain the battery even faster
If anything the Razr maxx is the best phone on the market and will be for 2012 it will still beat the Samsung Galaxy S3 for battery life and iphone5 will just be another shiny **** that breaks when you drop it
Im planning on either trading my Razr in for razr maxx or upgrading the battery with the kits available
Iv had almost every high end mobile on the market and im happy with the Razr
I am selling my htc one x as ui is laggy, battery lasts just a day depending on how much the screen is used. Its quad core... you'd never know. The only thing ill miss is the screen.
I just bought my razr as the build and materials feels great, the ui is fast with no lag, the speaker is loud. Looking forward to the laptop dock with ics.
Dont get hung up on quad core... the razr is much faster for every day use.
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Its all about the boot loader, until it is bypassed/unlocked any custom rom has to be built atop the stock kernel. My advice is to donate and encourage the devs already trying to bypass it and find other devs that have already done it on similar phones and offer donations or start a fund to equip the dev with a razr to work on, whatever's needed to further the cause. Once we can boot custom kernels, cm7/cm9, miui,whatever ...will all follow.
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I am selling my htc one x as ui is laggy, battery lasts just a day depending on how much the screen is used. Its quad core... you'd never know. The only thing ill miss is the screen.
I just bought my razr as the build and materials feels great, the ui is fast with no lag, the speaker is loud. Looking forward to the laptop dock with ics.
Dont get hung up on quad core... the razr is much faster for every day use.
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Again guys, I am not talking about Quad-core vs Dual core. I am talking about the dev of this phone irrespective of the no. of cores in the phone.
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Its all about the boot loader, until it is bypassed/unlocked any custom rom has to be built atop the stock kernel. My advice is to donate and encourage the devs already trying to bypass it and find other devs that have already done it on similar phones and offer donations or start a fund to equip the dev with a razr to work on, whatever's needed to further the cause. Once we can boot custom kernels, cm7/cm9, miui,whatever ...will all follow.
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Now that makes sense. So zeroing down on the issue, it is the bootloader. But may I ask, my father has a Sony Ericsson X10 and the phone is very much rooted, BUT the bootloader isn't unlocked. But I was still able to flash a cool Xperia S ROM on it...so how come the bootloader allowed??
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That's not the point. The point is, will we see good Devs/Chefs working on ROMs or not, porting various devices' UI?
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Why buy a RAZR if you just want some other devices UI on it?
Work on these phones is being done but just because it's not happening as fast as people want it to, doesn't mean it's not happening. ICS will come soon enough and devs are currently working on ROMs built from the ICS leaks.
DHacker from droidhive.com and hash are currently working on getting AOKP running fully on the .84 leak.
Stuff is happening, it's just that devs aren't posting every little thing they do.
Lol no one needs a quad-core processor. I've just moved from my old N900 to the XT910 and let me tell you, this is phone is just fast... Everything is smooth even gaming, browsing and listening to music all at the same time.
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Again guys, I am not talking about Quad-core vs Dual core. I am talking about the dev of this phone irrespective of the no. of cores in the phone.
Now that makes sense. So zeroing down on the issue, it is the bootloader. But may I ask, my father has a Sony Ericsson X10 and the phone is very much rooted, BUT the bootloader isn't unlocked. But I was still able to flash a cool Xperia S ROM on it...so how come the bootloader allowed??
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I dont know much about sony phones, it could be a bootloader bypass, or the kernels could be similar enough that its tweaked to boot up like hashcodes safestrap enables us to boot custom roms, but with the limitation of having to work around the stock kernel.
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Why buy a RAZR if you just want some other devices UI on it?
Work on these phones is being done but just because it's not happening as fast as people want it to, doesn't mean it's not happening. ICS will come soon enough and devs are currently working on ROMs built from the ICS leaks.
DHacker from droidhive.com and hash are currently working on getting AOKP running fully on the .84 leak.
Stuff is happening, it's just that devs aren't posting every little thing they do.
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Now, what I meant was, I get to choose the flavour of my Android, Sense or Blur etc...I meant anything I want and not stuck to one..that's y we have Android and not iPhone right?
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Now, what I meant was, I get to choose the flavour of my Android, Sense or Blur etc...I meant anything I want and not stuck to one..that's y we have Android and not iPhone right?
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If you don't want to run one of the roms mentioned ( you'll find more on droidhive than xda). With root you can freeze the bloat ware and run a 3rd party launcher, ie adw, go launcher, launcher pro plus, etc.
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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With a bootloader bypass, which has been done recently on other moto phones, and with moto being legally obliged to release a significant amount of there source code under the gpl license, its only a matter of time before we have as almost as much if not all the freedom of a Nexus
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That would be great but I am not getting my hopes up. Its compliance. That's kinda like some of the old laws like having a mustache in certain parts of Texas can get you arrested. Gpl clearly doesn't care or else these companies would be forced to comply...which hasn't happened. They comply when they feel like it
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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How can I disagree. You are absolutely right. I'm not a Dev but a consumer and now am seriously doubting my decision. don't get me wrong people but I love thus phone. Its the best Android money could buy when I got it but what beyond this? And u have succinctly said it, nowhere. Its a sad day.
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With a bootloader bypass, which has been done recently on other moto phones, and with moto being legally obliged to release a significant amount of there source code under the gpl license, its only a matter of time before we have as almost as much if not all the freedom of a Nexus
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I may not be as positive as you my friend but am surely not selling my phone for a whole now. Its beautiful full and surely has the potential. So am gonna wait.
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Title says it all. What do you guys think?
I love my Tbolt, and I love that I got it at a time where I am grandfathered into unlimited data, which I would not have been had I waited for the Bionic.
And what feature are you waiting to get from Bionic that TBolt can't already do?
I bet the Bionic will be more of a pain in the ass to root...will prob have an even more locked down bootloader
Having owned the Atrix... the QHD display is really a deal breaker for me. It was really washed out, couldnt draw the color yellow at all, and was VERY pixelated. Not to mention its an even bigger screen than the Atrix, so it will be worse.
Not a chance id buy it.
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And what feature are you waiting to get from Bionic that TBolt can't already do?
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A battery that lasts longer than 5 hours.
ApplCobbler said:
A battery that lasts longer than 5 hours.
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And have you actually tested Bionic so you can confirm this?
On a side note my Bolt lasts me 12+ hours for the last 4 days, my normal use.
I was thinking of waiting, but went for the Thunderbolt. I usually wait a few months before getting a newly released phone, but wanted to make sure I got unlimited data on 4G. Other than the network being a little fickle on 4G, I have no complaints. Development for this phone is moving pretty quickly!
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A battery that lasts longer than 5 hours.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you have got to be kidding me. that thing is dual core. what in god's name makes anybody believe its battery life will be better? if you know engineering and hardware, you will know that unless motorola has unearthed the elixir of battery life, its simply not physically possible. maybe thats why their battery size is bigger. and by the way, good luck trying to run anything except what verizon and motorola want you to run on that with locked and encrypted bootloaders - keep dreaming about CM7 and MIUI.... finally i had an x for a day - nice hardware but horrrrrrrrendous UI compared to sense. no thanks, its htc for me - tried true and tested
For one i think the dual core is wat is makeing me wait. Anyone think its worth it? Also i think the stock rom on it looks amazing. Just juice defender and im set.
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more cores just mean running more processes at "full" speed at the same time. I don't know about you but I rarely render 3d graphics and run matlab on my phone.
multi core cell phones are just a selling point in my opinion.
My opinion... HTC > Moto. I like HTC's hardware designs better. Love the look and feel of HTC devices.
I also hate Moto for locking down bootloaders like crazy, but it looks like HTC may be joining these ranks soon as well. I cannot deny that Moto has some nice specs on their devices... but the Thunderbolt is no slouch.
My TB gets great battery life running stock. It will be even better with root, custom kernel, and custom ROMs. You really cannot go wrong. The development for this device is awesome.
Since my introduction in the Android world Ive had nothing but HTC devices. I don't care for hard buttons so most of the Motorola devices are out for me. Plus, with HTC I can root and run aosp toms as well as Sense. Win win.
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Wat about the inc 2. There r a lot of new phhones comeing out and i.need some suggestions. My brother is a develeoper and he says hes gonna be using my phone for deving but not if i get the bionic. I wonder why. And also u guys know any deals on the thunderbolt? Like discounts or something? That would be great. Im gonna get tep for sure no matter what lil
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That thing has 2 cores and total of 512MB of RAM. Android OS is not even optimized for dual core hardware, not to mention that the amount of RAM could be a choking point for anything from Web browsing flash content to gaming.
No thanks.
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And have you actually tested Bionic so you can confirm this?
On a side note my Bolt lasts me 12+ hours for the last 4 days, my normal use.
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I second this... I have mine since launch the only thing I changed was the brightness, which i set at 30% as opposed to automatic. Since then, I my TB battery has given me 12+ hrs, with my normal use. The people who complain about the battery must have their gps turned on while surfing 4G all day.
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That thing has 2 cores and total of 512MB of RAM. Android OS is not even optimized for dual core hardware, not to mention that the amount of RAM could be a choking point for anything from Web browsing flash content to gaming.
No thanks.
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Are u reffering to the inc2. Do do you think the thunderbilt would be my best choice?
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Yup, the brightness did it for me as well.
unless you are trying to do linear programming on your phone, i see no point in a dual core phone. i do believe all tablets should be dual or quad core though because they replace PCs - your phone is meant to be held next to your ear and do some simple things like calendar, email etc, do video chat and so on. this is a communication device primarily - screen real estate is too small to be of much use beyond that. also consider motorola's pathetic laptop dock - does anybody think they want that? there is nothing you can do on that. convergence my rear end.
I don't have any experience with Motorola because I am a flash junkie and I don't want to be stuck with a locked bootloader and Motoblur overlay. My first Android was an HTC G1 and my only experience venturing away from HTC was the Samsung Vibrant, and although I learned a lot about flashing, after six months of not having an AOSP rom because Samsung would not release source, I gave up and got another HTC device. I'll stick with HTC, thanks.
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Hey guys, been out for a good minute, but I'm about to buy a new phone. I had been wanting the HTC thunderbolt, as I've had good success hacking other htc phones.
I just wanted to make sure that its a good phone for modding
If anyone has any other suggestions on what I should buy, I'll listen.
Maybe the Bionic?
I just wanna make sure theres no bs blocks or anything that will stop me from modding it to my heart's content, and that theres plenty of roms and all that out there already.
(I would do all this searching myself but ive been working 18-20hrs past few days and I need some sleep, and u guys probably allready know all this)
Thanks
Why not wait for the Galaxy Nexus? I know its not HTC, but still...
cuz i need one this week. thursday at the latest. how long till the nexus comes out?
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cuz i need one this week. thursday at the latest. how long till the nexus comes out?
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It comes out in November 2011.
droid charge is better than the thunderbolt. they're both noticeably weaker than any modern phones, but the thunderbolt is generally regarded as a poor investment. Charge has a pretty good development community.
From the benchmarks Ive seen, the charge isn't better than it at all. But the Droid Bionic is in many ways. Mostly with it being a dual core processor, and more ram.
I went in to a Verizon store today to check em out first hand, and I'm torn between the two. I really do like htc sense, and I might eventually change it, but there are enough skins and sense based roms available to keep me happy. However, the Bionic scored like 2400 on quadrant, and its a bit snappier.
But it doesn't have sense on it, oh, and it also doesn't quite have the "quality" feel to it that most HTC phones have. its a bit too light and feels a bit like cheap plastic. idk. but its definitely faster.
Any suggestions guys?
Thunderbolt or Droid Bionic?
Does the bionic have a big modding community?
Reason I didn't mention the bionic is that not only does it not have a good devoloping community, rooted Verizon motoblur devices (not ROM'd ones tho) have a really bad track record of getting majority screwed up every time there's a software update. It also has a horrible looking pentile display.
Oh, and it has a locked bootloader too, so don't expect a lot of ROMs for quite a while.
EDIT: actually, i take that back - the bionic apparently has CM7 moving along very nicely.
Hi razr guys!
I'm kinda confused right now because of the bootloader locked.
I'm asking myself if i should exchange my RAZR for a NEXUS
i watch few comparaison between both, and ok nexus have native ICS and will for sure upgraded first if a new android version is released.
Now the right question is, Does the locked bootloader of my RAZR is enough to change it?
If i take a deep breath and think, i found the RAZR way much sexy than NEXUS, performance are similar, camera is better, screen resolution is lower.
But hey, we already have ICS even with the locked bootloader, and 2 custom rom on Gingerbread.
And i heard many bug about strenght signal on the nexus.
That's why i'm confused and i'd like to have your opinion on this question.
I really hope motorola will unlock our bootloader, but if they dont is a good reason to throw my razr away?
Thanks!
If modding is more important to you and you are obsessed with an unlocked bootloader, then yes by all means you should "go"
If I could I would go. Motorola is not a company that I want to be associated with.
Amatuer flasher here. Considering coming to Razr Maxx by exchanging my Nexus. Battery life is bothering me. ICS not that different/impressive.
Seems like with a locked bootloader on the Razr, you can still root, flash, etc... What are you missing out on with a locked bootloader?
Thanks for indulging the noob questions...
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Amatuer flasher here. Considering coming to Razr Maxx by exchanging my Nexus. Battery life is bothering me. ICS not that different/impressive.
Seems like with a locked bootloader on the Razr, you can still root, flash, etc... What are you missing out on with a locked bootloader?
Thanks for indulging the noob questions...
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The core thing isnt that the Phone, the Razr is bad without the locked BL. It wasnt the only argument for me to buy actually. But the way which is Motorola is going is the actually Problem which I see. For me Moto is dead and I will never buy any Product from them again ... Each other but none Motorola
I will wait 1 or 2 weeks.
Friend leave the waiting is the galaxy 3 thu esto i hope
sevenup30 said:
Hi razr guys!
I'm kinda confused right now because of the bootloader locked.
I'm asking myself if i should exchange my RAZR for a NEXUS
i watch few comparaison between both, and ok nexus have native ICS and will for sure upgraded first if a new android version is released.
Now the right question is, Does the locked bootloader of my RAZR is enough to change it?
If i take a deep breath and think, i found the RAZR way much sexy than NEXUS, performance are similar, camera is better, screen resolution is lower.
But hey, we already have ICS even with the locked bootloader, and 2 custom rom on Gingerbread.
And i heard many bug about strenght signal on the nexus.
That's why i'm confused and i'd like to have your opinion on this question.
I really hope motorola will unlock our bootloader, but if they dont is a good reason to throw my razr away?
Thanks!
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I agree with others on this thread.
If you are hardcore about thoroughly customized ROMs and such, then a google experience device is the way to go.
But if you like solid build quality, performance, and long-lasting battery life - then the Maxx is just the thing for you.
Out of all the Motorola products I've owned, I contemplated between the RAZR Maxx, HTC Rezound, and the Galaxy Nexus. Spent two minutes with the Nexus and dropped it like a hot potato. Eventually made up my mind to go with the Maxx, and I'm thoroughly satisfied.
Motorola's UI has improved, and performance on the Maxx is very good. You can still root, remove bloatware and such - but with the locked bootloader, you're stuck with the kernel provided by Moto's software. It cuts down on the extent of modifications that can be made, but in the end - its your choice.
If you decide to go with the Nexus, I would heavily suggest waiting a bit, because there is suppose to be an updated "2.0" sorta-speak coming out soon. The current Nexus has its perks, but the radios aren't up to quality of Motorola and HTC.
I had the galaxy nexus and now have the maxx. I dropped calls and battery life was horrid on the gnex. I love ICS but also love battery life. The only reason I rooted the nexus was to get better battery life and faster 3-4g handoff. These are things I don't have to worry about with the maxx. Plus, I don't have any battery saver things on my maxx and last two whole days with it. On LTE the entire time. It's amazing and will be even better with ICS.
I have currently a sgs2 i9100 with ics, a tmobile sgs2 and my razr and to tell you the truth i use my razr way more than the other two. Sure i would love ics in my razr, but i can wait it will come. Im running frazers 2.4 rom and its just speedy as hell so the bootloader thing is not getting to me as much as others and i am a hardcore copulsive flasher!! But theres no way i would give up my razr just so i can flash. I would rather pony up the extra cash and by the gnex too to cure my flashing habit, but by no means i would trade it. To me the razr is superior in reception, not to mention is the best freaking phone ive used for wifi tethering, i play ps3 without a single disconnect and i dont have the LTE version. Battery life is ok, on par with my other phones, screen is beautifull, no complaints here, spec wise the razr has an sd slot(cant live without it), camera is ok, not great but ok, cant complain about pictures taken, build quality on razr is top notch, the best ive owned, call quality and speaker sound quality are also top notch. For me the razr trully is probably the only real smartphone masterpiece that motorola has developed even if it has a locked bootloader.
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I have both Original Razr and GNex now, GNex is way better.
1. Regarding Radio, everyone says the Moto radio is better, and I have the doubts.
I have both Razr and GNex laying at the same position at same time and press speedtest at same time. Testing like this for 20 times.
GNex's 4G speed beat Razr every time of this 20 tests. even displaying 1 bar in 4G while Razr displaying 3 bars.
I feel that it is a "tricky" in measuring the bars that give you the false connectivity. I do had many times when Razr showed 3 bars but the data did not kick in at all.
2. Regarding Battery. Yes, GNex can never beat Razr Maxx in this category. But easily beating Razr. The trick? custom kernel. On Fransco Kernel 15.1 and the phone is awesome. It costs 1% over night of 7 hours!!! Repeat after me, 1% overnight of 7 hours. of course no airplane mode etc.
3. Regarding build quality.
The immediate impression was Razr is way too sexy. But hey, it is a dust sucker. I have seen so much dust in the top of the screen where Motorola logo is (ironically!) and at the side bezel of the screen.
Yes, the Kelvar back is awesome. No competition of that, especially the back of GNex is push-ed on style.
But GNex has a removable battery.
These two were equal in my house, BEFORE MOTOROLA's recent bomb news.
So Now I am leaning to GNex.
Had a razr, loved it. Then I exchanged it for the nexus. I had the nexus for three days. After three days I returned the nexus and got my razr back. For me the razr had more pros going for it than the nexus. I can honestly say the razr is the best device I have ever owned.
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I have owned the Nexus and the Rezound. Now I am using the Razr Maxx and I love it. It is much faster than either the Nexus or the Rezound! I have been a HTC Sense lover for quite some time now but with the Razr Maxx I feel satisfied for the first time. Hopefully it will save me money in the long run!
Reimerj
I love the razr. Its really fast and I love how thin it is. Even with the locked boot loader you can still have some great custom roms.
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thanks for your feedback, now i'm more confused than before lol
i'm a flashmaniacs, my past desire hd could confirm you ^^. but i made a mistake in the past, i had a transformer and asus locked the bootloader, so i sold it because i was angry and a month after, some devs managed to unlock it, and now i have an A100(it's a good tablet but not like the transformer and with a locked bootloader also -_-)
as jiwengang said, the nexus have removable battery and custom kernel which increase battery life and performance i guess.But it doesn't have micro sd.
I'd love to have razr MAXX too, but i just bought the razr and the maxx isn't available in france. I'll try to test the nexus and make my own opinion (i thought about the NOTE but the big thing afraid me ).
Well i don't know if you say that in english, but in french i would say:
I have my ass between two chairs!
Lots of good insights here. Thanks everyone.
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Hello, I have been on sprint with an Evo 4g for a while now, but due to sprints recent coverage change for my area, I might be switching to verizon. so my question is, which would you all suggest i get? galaxy nexus? or Droid razr Maxx? any big devs going for the razr? easy root process? moto going to unlock the bootloader on it? any and all help is greatly appreciated, thanks - Matt
When I was on the same boat as you 2 days ago, I have to admit it was the toughest choice I have done in a LONG time.
As it stands your looking at this:
Galaxy Nexus Verizon
-Unlocked Bootloader bust that **** open and destroy it with mods
-Nexus phone, quicker to get updates
-Good battery life. Nothing compared to the Maxx though. But check out the battery life on the 4.0.4 leaked update, it's AWESOME.
Droid Razr Maxx
-Great battery life
-No ICS
-Locked bootloader
-To me it's a Nexus with a crazy battery & motoblur skin.
Now, IF the Razr Maxx gets ICS and an unlocked bootloader it will be: Everything pretty much equal except for these:
Great dev modding community, Nexus updates, good battery life vs. Maxx battery (best battery), great dev modding community
There, I put it in a nutshell for you.
I had the Maxx and returned and decided to return it because I didn't need all the battery it supplied and I can adjust the battery on my Nexus to fit my needs perfectly and spare. Lastly, I don't risk Moto not unlocking the bootloader, but ICS it will definitetly get. It would hurt Moto way too much to not give ICS to the Razr Maxx it's tied for the best phones on the market now the other being the GNex. My personal opinion though ICS won't matter since it's not gonna really look AOSP, Motoblur isn't ugly but it's not the nicest when AOSP ICS is on the GNex.
So it's up to you, can you have some patience with the Nexus and adjust it's battery till you get it right to your usage and make it last 18-20 hours? (More with ext. battery)? I'm in that process now. And not risk Moto not making a fully moddable phone? Take your pick, both are excellent choices. WHATEVER you do if you go GNex don't give up on the battery it's really easy to make it last without limiting yourself to 5% brightness and 2G signal. Just have to pinpoint everything and what's the problem.
Lastly, most and all radio/battery problems are easily fixed (if you have them on stock) by not even rooting. Just unlock bootloader and flash 4.0.4. Best update ever.
**I did not consider Camera and other features because both are just fine for a PHONE camera.***
Good Luck.
It all depends on what your requirements are. Personally, I'm on my phone nonstop all, so anything less than enormous battery won't work for me. Plus I have a prejudice against Samsung phones in general.
Worth noting that the Nexus doesn't have a micro SD slot (although it's NAND flash memory is very fast), and the Razr Maxx's battery is not replaceable (according to Motorola -- I've heard from some VZW reps that it can be done).
Either way, it's a gamble.
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Had the Nexus for 3 days then returned it for a razr. That should tell you my opinion.
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Had the Nexus for 3 days then returned it for a razr. That should tell you my opinion.
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Same here. Got a Nexus demo at work for 2 weeks and did not fall in love with it. I hear 4.0.4 fixes battery but twice it went from 80% to 0% overnight doing nothing but 2 email accounts. Also, the Nexus just felt strange in my hand (I have large hands). I did not like where the power button was because i hold it in my left hand to read email and my index finger kept pressing the button and blanking the screen. The Droid Razr Maxx is in similar place but my index finger ends up well below the button when holding. The Maxx feels more secure in my hand and not like it's going to fall out like with the Nexus.
I rooted and did ROMS on all my previous phones (OG Droid, Droid 2, Droid Incredible) and enjoyed doing away with BLUR on my Motorola's but I'm sure I will do the same with the MAXX. I did like the idea of having the NExus with all the latest updates and development but the Samsung phone just didn't seem as well put together as the Maxx.
My speed tests showed the Maxx faster on WIFI and 4G. The 4G fringe areas work much better after the latest update (this past week), and I was having some issues with the Nexus getting 3G network in some light areas and not with the MAXX.
had the nexus for a week. returned it.
Not sure why anyone would want an AOSP phone. It's like having generic frosted flakes.
Battery life is not an issue for me so even though i knew about the maxx, i got the razr. The nexus is just awkward, buggy and just plain. you NEED a custom rom if you get the nexus.
I prefer the HTC sense UI's over anything else. If HTC would just make a thinner, better looking phone, i would jump all over that. You gotta see a ROM with HTC 3.6 and ICS. it will blow you away. I gave my kid the Sensation XL and loaded this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1429953
The greatest ROM i've ever seen. If you want a UI that will just make you smile everytime you use the phone, this is it. But for the RAZR, i'll take motoblur over AOSP anytime.
I don't know how you people like skins over aosp, gross
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I don't know how you people like skins over aosp, gross
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For the same reason that there are tons of launchers, widgets, etcc on the market. Because AOSP means, As Obviously Super Plain as possible. Just kidding of course, but AOSP really is out of the box google. It's meant to offend no one, not step on apple toes (like samsung), and not dazzle anybody. It really reminds me of APPLE iOS.
call someone you know on both phones and ask them which sounds better. then call a voicemail with both phones and listen to playback and listen to the difference in how you sound. if everyone did this Samsung couldn't sell a single phone.
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Hello, I have been on sprint with an Evo 4g for a while now, but due to sprints recent coverage change for my area, I might be switching to verizon. so my question is, which would you all suggest i get? galaxy nexus? or Droid razr Maxx? any big devs going for the razr? easy root process? moto going to unlock the bootloader on it? any and all help is greatly appreciated, thanks - Matt
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You do realize this is a Razr forum right? Then you cant possibly expect an objective voice. Those 80% overnight drop to 0% on Nexus is simply untrue or not true for all. Maybe on that unit yes. 4G speed? I don't know. I had a test on two phones side by side and GNEx beat Razr 4 G speed EVERY time buy at least 1mb. This is based on 20ish tests.
Battery life on Razr Maxx is just KING . So original razr is simply out of this competition PERIOD .
Except it is thinnest which you can't really USE that 7.1mm to do anything . Except cutting a cheese.
Gnex is for dev. Its openness is best. Razr Max is for regular user . So depends on which type you are
Disclaimer. I own both phones.
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The 5MP cam on the Nexus is an Absolut deal breaker for me. If it wasn’t for that, if the Nexus had an 8MP cam, it would be a fairly hard choice. But i use my phone cam like crazy so it completely ruled the Nexus out for me.
Hi all-
I ended up getting both. I got spoiled very quickly with ICS on my Xoom tablet. I have to admit that I also love ICS on the Nexus as well... However, and this is just my humble opinion.. The battery life is considerably better on the Razr than on the Nexus. Yes I have removed all of the battery draining apps. Tried several roms, Blah blah. On and on it goes. I've spent many an hour doing things that others claim to be the 'solution' to achieving great battery life on the Nexus. Well, I'm here to tell you that as far as I'm concerned, Samsung desperately needs to return to the drawing board and practice up on their battery design as that has been my number one issue with their device to date. Believe me, I got really SPOILED with the Razr's supreme battery performance. I easily achieved two days with it, yet with the Nexus I have not been able to make a full 12 hour day, and this is even with the extended battery. It isn't an ICS issue either as my Xoom plays for hours on end with little concern over battery life. I have also found that RF-wise the Razr wins hands down. I am aware of radio software improvements in ICS 4.0.4 and above. Perhaps with those updates coming down the pike some positives will be made in that area and I'm good with that.
No doubt other Nexus owners will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm only commenting on what *I* have experienced with the Nexus. Even though I have the freedom of running stock Android on the thing which truly is very very nice, I still have to confess that from a hardware standpoint my experience so far has been less than stellar.
I want to wait and see what Moto has up their sleeve with ICS once they implement it on the Razr. I may well take the leap back to it once that happens, but even with the mediocre battery life and RF performance on the Nexus, I plan on retaining it afterward if nothing else as a developer unit as I don't expect Moto to ever release the bootloader on the Razr.
The developers who are cranking out the roms for the Nexus (as well as the Xoom) are incredibly talented. It fascinates me to sit back and watch all of this in action. It makes me wonder where did all of this creativity come from prior to the emergence of smart phones.
Bottom line is that I firmly believe both handsets are worthy of ownership in their own right but I still lean towards the Razr. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Hi all-
I ended up getting both. I got spoiled very quickly with ICS on my Xoom tablet. I have to admit that I also love ICS on the Nexus as well... However, and this is just my humble opinion.. The battery life is considerably better on the Razr than on the Nexus. Yes I have removed all of the battery draining apps. Tried several roms, Blah blah. On and on it goes. I've spent many an hour doing things that others claim to be the 'solution' to achieving great battery life on the Nexus. Well, I'm here to tell you that as far as I'm concerned, Samsung desperately needs to return to the drawing board and practice up on their battery design as that has been my number one issue with their device to date. Believe me, I got really SPOILED with the Razr's supreme battery performance. I easily achieved two days with it, yet with the Nexus I have not been able to make a full 12 hour day, and this is even with the extended battery. It isn't an ICS issue either as my Xoom plays for hours on end with little concern over battery life. I have also found that RF-wise the Razr wins hands down. I am aware of radio software improvements in ICS 4.0.4 and above. Perhaps with those updates coming down the pike some positives will be made in that area and I'm good with that.
No doubt other Nexus owners will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm only commenting on what *I* have experienced with the Nexus. Even though I have the freedom of running stock Android on the thing which truly is very very nice, I still have to confess that from a hardware standpoint my experience so far has been less than stellar.
I want to wait and see what Moto has up their sleeve with ICS once they implement it on the Razr. I may well take the leap back to it once that happens, but even with the mediocre battery life and RF performance on the Nexus, I plan on retaining it afterward if nothing else as a developer unit as I don't expect Moto to ever release the bootloader on the Razr.
The developers who are cranking out the roms for the Nexus (as well as the Xoom) are incredibly talented. It fascinates me to sit back and watch all of this in action. It makes me wonder where did all of this creativity come from prior to the emergence of smart phones.
Bottom line is that I firmly believe both handsets are worthy of ownership in their own right but I still lean towards the Razr. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Can you comment on the quality of *outgoing* voice quality when comparing the two handsets?
So what kind of future will a Maxx have if I buy one?
I love the things I can do with my Thunderbolt, but want the battery. Will ROM's be as diverse as my TB? I love the CM7 ROM's I have. I am just unclear as to what the bootloader will stop me from doing in the future.
Is it possible that CM9 could eventually work on it?
Are there any ROM's that have the hotspot enabled without the carrier option?
Sorry for newb questions. Just want to make sure I dont buy a phone I hate.
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Can you comment on the quality of *outgoing* voice quality when comparing the two handsets?
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Having had both, didn't notice any difference
jiwengang said:
You do realize this is a Razr forum right? Then you cant possibly expect an objective voice. Those 80% overnight drop to 0% on Nexus is simply untrue or not true for all. Maybe on that unit yes. 4G speed? I don't know. I had a test on two phones side by side and GNEx beat Razr 4 G speed EVERY time buy at least 1mb. This is based on 20ish tests.
Battery life on Razr Maxx is just KING . So original razr is simply out of this competition PERIOD .
Except it is thinnest which you can't really USE that 7.1mm to do anything . Except cutting a cheese.
Gnex is for dev. Its openness is best. Razr Max is for regular user . So depends on which type you are
Disclaimer. I own both phones.
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I also own both phones! I have the Razr Maxx because for work I need to have good call and sound quality and the Razr is awesome in both areas but for the inner geek I have the Nexus which can't be beat for Dev support and updates and pure fun but the sound quality is poor on calls and speaker phone. I have also had many calls where the person I am talking to can no longer hear me.
My advice! Get both!
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I had the RAZR for 2 months now.
One thing I don't like about it, is the display. The colors looks beautiful, but the text doesn't play nice with my eyes. I've heard it's because Motorola uses Pentil display. Other than the display the phone is great, with solid and premium build quality.
Get the Maxx. I got the Nexus when it came out, and I have had nothing but disappointment from it. I really wanted to love it. I wanted to have a *true* google phone... but they just skimped out too much on the hardware.
The cell antenna in it downright blows. It's unusable at my house, where the Maxx works just fine (other people with Verizon phones in my house also work fine).
The camera on the Nexus also blows. It's fine outside, or in really really well lit rooms during the day, but don't even bother trying to take pictures in any kind of low light, they just look terrible. I don't care about megapixels, but I do care about whether or not the pictures look like junk.
The battery on the Nexus blows (seeing a pattern here?). It lasts 12 hours, with very minimal use. It's aggravating to have to run and drop it on the charger as soon as I get home.
There's no SD slot on the Nexus... which didn't matter to me, but some people care. You can still copy files on and off it from windows, and 32 gigs is a lot of space for most people.
The only good thing about the Nexus is the screen, which is admittedly awesome. The Maxx's screen looks pretty good though, even side by side with the Maxx. And don't let the dimensions of the screens fool you, they're very very close in usable size - the Nexus loses a bunch of pixels for its on-screen buttons, which seem to only disappear when watching videos. The height of the screens are just about the same, the Nexus is just slightly wider.
ICS is also SO much better than gingerbread... but if you're here, you can install a ROM and do just fine with the Maxx.
Im waiting on a razr maxx to arrive fed ex tomorrow. I am coming from a samsung charge with a total bad experience. Signal,battery and gps issues. Hope this is all solved with the new phone as Im sick of hearing it from the wife. She now swears samsung off and wants a motorola because when she had the dx2 gps was never a problem.
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Im waiting on a razr maxx to arrive fed ex tomorrow. I am coming from a samsung charge with a total bad experience. Signal,battery and gps issues. Hope this is all solved with the new phone as Im sick of hearing it from the wife. She now swears samsung off and wants a motorola because when she had the dx2 gps was never a problem.
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Had the Droid charge too. After the lousy development, went to the Nexus Galaxy to get the A++ development. It was there, but too much plain ol AOSP for my liking. Saw a co-worker with the razr and instantly loved the blur and exchanged my phone. The 7mm thiness of the phone is just aluring to me. i love handling such a light and thin phone. The little bump on the top backside also helps to give it an angle when i lay it down. Its like the designers thought of everything.
Hey Guys,
Im looking to upgrade and was wondering your thoughts and such. Currently i have the x2 running cm10 a2 and as much as i like it it is laggy and i get a decent amount of FC. I went to Verizon today and the only phone they have on display is the GS3 and Razr MAxx HD.
What im wondering are a few things.
1. Should i even stay with verizon. Right now i have unlimited data but hear when i upgrade i wont get that anymore. Should i go to sprint?
2. I was looking into the Note 2, GS3, Razr MAxx HD or the upcoming HTC DNA (J butterfly)
3. Price is important and i kow with the moto i can get a 100 bucks towards the Razr. If i dont do that i can sell it on CL
4. I like to ROM and flash and know the GS3 has been around a while which is good and and bad.. Lots of development but will be outdated as the note and dna are coming and also now that the HD is here.
5. If i dont get a new one would getting something like a Galaxy nexus s be a step up or stupid.
Kinda looking for your thoughts
My thinking on each.
gs3 is a good size and i see there is development
Will the note 2 be to big and gawdy looking?
the Maxx HD display is awesome but i want something a bit bigger than my x2 so will i be happy w the HD
The DNA doesnt even have any reviews or price so thats hard to compare
i didnt mind the plastic of the gs3 but i like motos heavier sturdier feel.
Also i want a removable bat and storage for an SD card.
YOur thoughts.. did i miss anything
I have been thinking of upgrading for some time. As soon as I get some extra money to do so. I have made the decision to upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus. I dont know how anyone can say thats not an upgrade from the Droid X2. Its a fully open device with a lot of dev support. Most importantly...Googles support. Until it cant support the updates Google pushes out, it will get all future updates. Even after then, devs will probably be pushing unofficial updates to it. Price-wise, its cheaper than the Galaxy S3. At least where I'm looking (ebay). Even with a used phone under 200 bucks, it will still be an upgrade from the Droid X2. Plus, it wont mess with your contract. Thats how I am thinking anyway.
Only downside, I dont think the Galaxy Nexus has SD card support. But a lot of newer devices dont.
There's no external card support for the Gnex. But my .02, you can't go wrong with a Nexus. Verizon has some deal now to there you can get one for like $50 with a 2 year deal.
But, keep your unlimited and buy a phone outright. That's the way to go.
i like the nexus. good looking but is it much if any bigger than the x2. the biggest thing i want is speed. Speed and no lag is the most key for me. No sd is kinda a con but i can save stuff on google drive so thats a plus.
Is this the nexus you guys are stating.
I think the x2 has a 4.3 screen vs the nexus 4 inch which is also another con. And i gig processor, doesnt the x2 have that. Spec wise its seems a lateral move or am i not looking at it right?
maybe i was looking at the wrong one
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I515MSAVZW
this one is 4.65 inch and 1.2g dual core is this the one.
Should this be better than the x2 or just plain kill it?
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maybe i was looking at the wrong one
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I515MSAVZW
this one is 4.65 inch and 1.2g dual core is this the one.
Should this be better than the x2 or just plain kill it?
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Yes, thats the Galaxy Nexus. That phone can do so much more than the Droid X2 and is better in almost every way. Go to youtube and watch some reviews on it. Watch reviews on all those phones you mentioned. Thats usually how I decide on a phone. Thats probably the cheapest one out of all the ones you mentioned but its definitely better than most of them too.
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Yes, thats the Galaxy Nexus. That phone can do so much more than the Droid X2 and is better in almost every way. Go to youtube and watch some reviews on it. Watch reviews on all those phones you mentioned. Thats usually how I decide on a phone. Thats probably the cheapest one out of all the ones you mentioned but its definitely better than most of them too.
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He's right. Another thing too: not only is it fast and has a really nice screen, its customizeable to the hills. Unlocked bootloader and kernel...need I say more?
One idea is just going to the store and playing with the phones on display. Tell the sales people to give you a breather and have at it. See how smooth the graphics are, how snappy the device is and how clear the displays are. Look at them all. Don't focus on the Nexus. When your done, you'll see what we are talking about
Also, the support for this device is not going to die anytime soon...for a while at that matter. I personally wouldn't go Moto if I had the opportunity. So many false promises...blah
ok i like the nexus. About the same size as the gs3 which i like the size. one other thing i was curious on the nexus. With the x2 and the cm10 im running like i said it is laggy and sometimes downright a pit. Does the nexus handle roms well and flow as smooth as stock as im seeing in the videos. Stock the nexus seems to fly but i just hope it still flies with custom roms
Just my 2 cents.... If you're getting a nexus I would buy used so you save your upgrade and keep unlimited data. I have a s3 and absolutely love it but I think the nexus is fantastic compared to the x2. Cm10 should work flawlessly on the nexus.... It's got twice the ram of the x2. A friend of mine has the nexus and has no complaints.
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You can't really compare them like that. That's like comparing a Kia to a Cadillac.....
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ok i like the nexus. About the same size as the gs3 which i like the size. one other thing i was curious on the nexus. With the x2 and the cm10 im running like i said it is laggy and sometimes downright a pit. Does the nexus handle roms well and flow as smooth as stock as im seeing in the videos. Stock the nexus seems to fly but i just hope it still flies with custom roms
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The only reason the Droid X2 runs ICS and Jelly Bean a little crappy is because its locked down by Motorola. If we were able to overclock it and change out the kernels, it would run just as well. The Galaxy Nexus runs Jelly Bean as stock so any ROM based off that will run just as good. We are running Jelly Bean on a Gingerbread Kernel. Thats why it doesnt run well on the Droid X2.
ok i had read that before now i understand better. If i get the nexus off ebay or CL, and say something happens to it physically. Like i drop it or whatever and the screen doesnt work or something, am i able to go thru verizon or am i basically screwed...?
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ok i had read that before now i understand better. If i get the nexus off ebay or CL, and say something happens to it physically. Like i drop it or whatever and the screen doesnt work or something, am i able to go thru verizon or am i basically screwed...?
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I dont think anything you do to a phone you by outside of Verizon is covered. Just get a hardcore case if you are worried about it.
If you buy it out right, then you are on your own. Buy yourself a good protective case like an Otterbox or Hyperion, etc and you'll be fine. I've dropped mine off the roof of my truck more than twice and its still kick in'. That's about 10' down each time.
One thing you guys didn't answer...would you stay w Verizon or jump to sprint. If yes or no what would your reasons be
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One thing you guys didn't answer...would you stay w Verizon or jump to sprint. If yes or no what would your reasons be
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I would stay with Verizon unless you have a money problem. From what I've heard Sprints 3g speeds are like that of a turtles. Don't know about 4g but how van it be much better?
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One thing you guys didn't answer...would you stay w Verizon or jump to sprint. If yes or no what would your reasons be
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Sprint here totally sucks. I work with a guy who can't even email himself a picture....data speeds are so slow it times out. There's a guy in the Verizon Galaxy S3 development section who went to the Note 2 on Sprint...lasted 2 weeks, he couldn't take the data speeds. I personally would never switch to Sprint, but every area is different.
I don't know about sprint, but do not go to AT&T either. I came from them and they suck bad. Verizon may be more expensive but I found that you get what you pay for. Verizon has great service.
The Verizon note 2 is right around the corner now, and remember Verizon is on schedule to have the entire 3g footprint covered in 4g by the coming summer, where i am in rural mn no other company can get me even 50kbps speed while Verizon says i can do 5megs per sec while walking through fields.... By summer yhat is, but even still i can pull 8x the competitions data... Its simply the strongest network there is and thats a huge part of being mobile... Although Im sure there are people who never leave major population centers where all networks fly
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I was looking to see how much data I used a month. I'm at an average of 1.1 g. So going w a new contract at 2g would drop my bill 20 dollars. If I go to 4 g it would save 10 dollars. I use probably 70% WiFi and 30 3g. I was thinking the galaxy nexus but I want something no less a few months old given tech changes every month. So my thoughts... the nexus is almost a yr old, the s3 will be 9 months old soon. I can't spend 3 bills but by my update eligibility in 1/16/13 the note 2 should b 200 and there will be the HTC DNA and maybe, ....maybe the s4 but I've read that is summertime and I can't wait that long. So I am back at sq one trying to figure which one I like better. I have til January I guess to figure it out. I def want something that will have a lot of dev support w roms and such
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