i am running Rocko rom 3.0 and webtop+ 1.3 but it's done this ever since new and stock.
if i try to load a web page that has a decent amount off pictures firefox will close. now since going to rocko and webtop+ it will lock up my phone all together... even if i unplug the phone from the hddmi cale i will have to do a battery pull to get it to work again.
i thought maybe there wasn't enough free space in .osh to cache all the photos so i moved webtop to sd (8gb) and it still does the same thing. anyone have any idea what i can do to fix this?
edit: for reference this is a page that will cause my problem: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=695011&page=18
Wow! The initial load of that page eats over 400MB of RAM on a regular PC. I had to set up a 500MB dedicated cache for Firefox to even get it to load in webtop. Webtop caches Firefox in RAM so wt2sd wouldn't fix it.
I could create a custom preference file with a massive dedicated disk cache for you of instruct you how to do it. The drawback is that webtop Firefox will run slower and be doing a lot of writes to some sort of flash memory. This may cause premature failure of either the internal memory or the SDCard depending on where the cache is put.
i pretty much figured that is what the problem was. thanks for the offer to help but i couldn't imagine webtop being slower than it already is. i was hoping to just carry this phone and my mini bluetooth keyboard on a upcoming trip but i guess i'll need a net book or just take the time to post from my phone.
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So after a month of owning the View, I decided to try Honeycomb. I used globatron's process, as I am S-Off (HBOOT 6.12.1002, if memory serves, if that makes any difference). (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409306)
The process completed flawlessly, but the tablet was SO SLOW. I know it's not the end-all of performance metrics, but with Gingerbread, Linpack scores were in the mid 50's; with Honeycomb, they topped out in the low 20's (my EVO 4G does high 30's and is underclocked to 921MHz). Apps and menus would take more than a second to load. Some apps didn't even work - YouTube would force close if I tried watching a video (and when I searched for YouTube in the market, in hopes of an update, it didn't even show up!); the gallery didn't recognize a single picture that I had stored on the device, except for the ones in the camera's own folder. It also drained a LOT of battery in a short amount of time.
I searched for Honeycomb issues, but I found nothing reporting these kinds of problems. I've since gone back to Gingerbread so that it's useable (and thanks to the Nandroid, it's like I never tried HC), but what the hell was wrong with my Honeycomb install?
Furthermore, my girlfriend's View was laggy when she did the OTA to Honeycomb, and she had me downgrade her back to Gingerbread only a couple days later. The rave reviews of HC on the View just have me wondering "why not me?!" Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
did you clean install?
Can you clarify what you mean by "clean install"? I've not heard that terminology before...
I meant wipe/hard factory reset and wipe cache, that's what I usually do before flashing. I suggest try to flash other HC Rom like leedroid and see if you will get improvements.
I wiped data and cache before starting the process. Perhaps I'll try again with a different ROM, but I figured the stock ROM should've worked smoothly.
Yes very
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Try this rom. Solved all my speed issues with HC. You'll love it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416868
Makes View just like typical HC tablet. Browser is MUCH better.
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^ I'll give it a shot tonight, thanks!
To be honest, I couldn't quite figure out what the benefit of Sense on HC was... I've used my friend's Xoom briefly, and saw no functional differences. I suppose probably widgets, given that that's where most of the benefits of Sense are.
I'll post results once I'm able to evaluate.
Thanks again!
Flashed it last night. Had to flash it twice because the first time it absolutely would not maintain a wifi connection (not even long enough for me to get an IP address and switch to static IP).
Seemed smooth (low-30's MFLOPS), but the G-sensor (or accelerometer) was a bit jittery - games like SpeedX 3D were all over the place, and the holographic images in the gallery were shaking. Had me worried I was developing Parkinson's.
Of more pressing importance, I couldn't access any multimedia stored in a folder other than DCIM from the Gallery app, and couldn't even open images through a file explorer. Flashed back to stock Gingerbread so it's usable while I investigate.
Frustrating that I just can't get Honeycomb to work properly on this damn thing. lol
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Of more pressing importance, I couldn't access any multimedia stored in a folder other than DCIM from the Gallery app, and couldn't even open images through a file explorer. Flashed back to stock Gingerbread so it's usable while I investigate.
Frustrating that I just can't get Honeycomb to work properly on this damn thing. lol
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There's a fix for getting the system to rescan your memory cards; I'll look in a bit and see if I can't post it here. As for HC working properly, I love it. The de-Sensed HC was a thing of beauty. If I can lay my hands on a De-Sensed version of LeeDroid's work I'd be in heaven. The standard HC interface was clearly created in response to Sense's user-friendliness, and they came up with a superior product.
I looked around, but never saw a definitive answer... most of what I saw was "clear cache!" or "clear data!" but those didn't work for me. When my girlfriend's had the problem (while on Gingerbread), opening the image in ES File Explorer and choosing Gallery as the default app for those file types usually corrected it.
And I do like Honeycomb, and love the ability to resize widgets, I just need it stable and fully functional before I'm comfortable sticking with it. My work phone is a Galaxy Nexus, and I LOVE ICS, but Honeycomb is damn close in style and functionality.
I can't find the posting I saw, but it essentially was to create a directory of a certain name on the card, and that forced the Flyer to re-scan the entire card, graphics and all. Evidently something akin to a thumbnail cache can get corrupted and that causes this issue, and creating that directory forces that file to be recreated entirely. I'm still kinda new to Android, so I don't know where the nomenclature diverges from Intel-based storage management...
Thanks for taking the time to look around. I found this, but it says it's for the Music folder... perhaps I should try the same in the Pictures folder.
That directory name looks very familiar, but you're right, it's for music, not graphics. It might work for you, what's the worst that can happen?
The other thing that occurred to me is to swap the micro-SD card with another one. Placing a new card in forces "stuff" to kick in, and I'd imagine the process needs to repeat once to replace the old card back in the slow. Or at least a portion of the process to see if it "knows" that old card when you put it back in.
The content is stored in the internal memory - not on an external SD card (I only use the external card for Nandroid backups and things of the like). That's what's so baffling to me - it's the View's own non-removable memory that isn't being scanned for pictures and videos.
Not only wipe data and cache, but also format system, wipe dalvik in recovery when doing a fresh rom install for best results.
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I basically stopped using my lapdock a few weeks ago due to the slowness of my webtop2sd setup (XFCE4 on a PNY 32GB Class 10 card), so for kicks I decided to click uninstall in the webtop2sd app to try out the stock webtop in the internal storage, and its actually not running too bad,considering I want to use it for work and most of what I do is web based, firefox is working fine. I can even still use the network printer where I work at.
I find that the dock,although not necessarily bad, is really annoying that it cant really be configured at all. I have an extra separator and nothing inbetween,where the awn manager and lx terminal were,that I removed due to them not working.
So here are the actual questions.
1. Should those 2 programs, which webtop2sd installs,work on the internal storage as well? Should I try using the app to reinstall them?
2. If they dont work, is there a way, like a config file or something,that I can manually add and move icons, or more specifically,unused seperators with? I feel that with any other dock I have ever used,I should be able to drag icons to move them,but this one seems a bit stubborn.
3. Should the dock and top notification bar be hiding randomly? I dont mind the dock hiding (not that a window will ever use that extra space),but I'd rather that top bar just stay there all the time incase I get a new notification from the phone. Can this also be configured to not do that?
I'm really not that unhappy with the stock webtop,it seems to run faster than webtop2sd, I would just like to be incontrol of the dock and the top bar and I'll be happy with it.
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I would recommend that you look into GenTop, it is a linux distro which works on the webtop. It's one of the top topics in the atrix general section.
It will only work with the blur roms and for that I would recommend Nottachtrix
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I've read the whole thread,and am turned off by the fact that it does not appear to be too user friendly to setup, considering the whole thread is basically a discussion on how to compile programs,which I lack complete knowledge of.
I just dont have the time to mess around with something I dont know much about. I didnt mind messing around with webtop2sd since I've basically turned it into Xubuntu which I've used before,but I dont know anything about Gentoo.
It would be a lot easier for me to try to mess around with this dock than try to reinstall the whole system again.All the basically need is firefox with the keyboard,and the ability to print, which I already have.
*bump*
I know this is possible, because webtop2sd adds 2 icons and a seperator to the dock for hacking before it copies the whole webtop to the sd card.
Basically, i would like to know where the config file is for the dock so i can manually configure the icons, i would use a file browser on the phone to copy the file off the phone, edit it on a pc then use the file browser in android to overwrite it.
If no one knows where that file is, does anyone know where i could start looking for it? Im not sure how the file system is really setup tbh, i dont know whats webtop or whats android.
You know, I really really really want to like HC on my View. I love the full pen support. I don't even mind the weird softbuttons and statusbar design that makes little sense.
But the DEAL KILLER for me is browsing. I mean, it is just nuts. I have a super fast wifi connection and I'm getting excellent signal but pages take FOREVER to load. I mean, like 10 seconds even for the most basic HTML page.
Why Android, why? What the hell did you do to HC that completely broke the browsing experience compared to GB and why didn't you ever fix it?
HC on the View = TRIPLE FACEPALM UTTER AND COMPLETE FAIL.
Mine is fine. By the way, 10 seconds?
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Mine is fine. By the way, 10 seconds?
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Yeah it's crazy. Ever since I flashed back to HC browsing takes for-e-ver to load.
Mine gets like that when i have to much apps open, download a task manager and kill the apps you not using, the more RAM you got free, the smoother it will be.
Gotta love it when folks post things as if every user is having the same problem when it's clear that's not the case. I think we discussed this before, but frankly if you have so much stuff active that you have to kill apps with a 3rd task killer to get your browser to work you have bigger issues.
The built-in memory management and task killer takes care of that very well unless you have badly misbehaving apps or other abnormal problems. If everything is normal in HC or even the older GB, there should always be approx 80% of RAM used. That's normal and if you kill things, android will just fill RAM to 80% again, over and over because that's how it's memory manager works and for good reasons.
And the browser in HC works just fine if you or bad apps don't screw the system up. Do makes sure you have some free space in flash for the browser cache and clear the cache occasionally.
Try rebooting your tab
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Gotta love it when folks post things as if every user is having the same problem when it's clear that's not the case. I think we discussed this before, but frankly if you have so much stuff active that you have to kill apps with a 3rd task killer to get your browser to work you have bigger issues.
The built-in memory management and task killer takes care of that very well unless you have badly misbehaving apps or other abnormal problems. If everything is normal in HC or even the older GB, there should always be approx 80% of RAM used. That's normal and if you kill things, android will just fill RAM to 80% again, over and over because that's how it's memory manager works and for good reasons.
And the browser in HC works just fine if you or bad apps don't screw the system up. Do makes sure you have some free space in flash for the browser cache and clear the cache occasionally.
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Its true that there are always certain apps open, however if you open other apps and exit, they stay open. For instance my news app takes about 100 - 200 MB of ram when its open, if i exit, it stays open and occupies that amount, kill it. its EXTRA apps that you kill.
Just because you have a certain experience, doesn't mean it applies to everyone else.
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Its true that there are always certain apps open, however if you open other apps and exit, they stay open. For instance my news app takes about 100 - 200 MB of ram when its open, if i exit, it stays open and occupies that amount, kill it. its EXTRA apps that you kill.
Just because you have a certain experience, doesn't mean it applies to everyone else.
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I understand where you are coming from but the Theory behind DigitalMD's post is SPOT ON, the taskiller and builtin memory management within linux should not cause you any problems, also if a single app is taking up 100 - 200 mb of RAM there is something seriously wrong. What ROM are you using and if you can, please post a link to the ROM. I will try and help you out, i do not have a view but hopefully i can fix this
This problem has got to the point of forcing me to register on XDA forums. I have a Samsung G II running android 4.1.2 (jelly-bean of course) and over the past week the memory (storage) handling has gotten really bad. It's as if the OS has given up on storing items now. Problems include-
After taking, receiving or downloading a photo (generally over whatsapp but it occurs to other apps like wallbase) The photo will be stored on my phone for the day until i turn off my phone, now after turning it back on however the photos are gone just leaving a blank space which displays "unable to load" in the gallery.
Next issues is that my apps i now install get installed in the next dimension because they don't appear to be on my phone even when i do a file search or plug in the device into my computer. But here is where it gets crazy they are on my phone and do take space up, but it's no where to be found.
The OS now presumes i have an SD card even though i don't have one plugged in. Because of this! big games and Apps now now try to use this fake SD that doesn't exist and this causes them to give me errors along the lines of "Sd is full or inaccessible". Pffft
Please someone help me, this issue is annoying me so badly and is rendering my phone useless if it can't store data.
I appologize you were forced to register here @ this great forum and though you still might find your answer here,ironic,anyway.Have you tried wiping cache,dalvik and fixing permissions,are you even rooted?I did'nt see you mention that,so i have no idea,also,you might want to back up what you want to keep and format and partition your sd card,not sure how big your sd crad is either,so you might need a bigger sd card for all your stuff.I myself use a 32GB Sandisk,class 10 and it works great,never ran out of space or had any speed issues on my OG EVO.
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I appologize you were forced to register here @ this great forum and though you still might find your answer here,ironic,anyway.Have you tried wiping cache,dalvik and fixing permissions,are you even rooted?I did'nt see you mention that,so i have no idea,also,you might want to back up what you want to keep and format and partition your sd card,not sure how big your sd crad is either,so you might need a bigger sd card for all your stuff.I myself use a 32GB Sandisk,class 10 and it works great,never ran out of space or had any speed issues on my OG EVO.
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Rooted? yes. I've deleted all the caches under the sun and still no results. And i have over 4Gb of free internal storage according to my phone. I have my data backed up but i'd rather have a direction to go before starting anything. :crying:
I'm not seeing anything for your phone except this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192122
Greetings.
I've had the pleasure to deal with many android devices, ranging from the very first EVO 4G to a rooted nook and KFire, galaxy tab, and my current GAlaxy S4. Nonetheless I've noted a pattern that hopefully one or several of you can help with...
I usually have SD cards that are larger than the native storage of most of my devices however.... I always run out of room for apps. I wouldn't say I install everything I See but I do install apps I need for work (medical apps) which for the most part don't exactly take much space but some are known to take 300-1Gb at most. Anyway, my devices always seem to fill the native storage while the SD Card remains fairly unused. Here is an example of my phone.
So my main gripe/issue is: My SD cards are always fairly empty and only have contents I've actively copied over to them from my desktop or notebook. I am under the impression that most programs do not install the data to SD Card and use the native storage instead. Is there anyway this can change? Any tips to get more space (besides backing up pictures and deleting those, 700+ mb!).
Thank you in advance!
good question.
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Greetings.
I've had the pleasure to deal with many android devices, ranging from the very first EVO 4G to a rooted nook and KFire, galaxy tab, and my current GAlaxy S4. Nonetheless I've noted a pattern that hopefully one or several of you can help with...
I usually have SD cards that are larger than the native storage of most of my devices however.... I always run out of room for apps. I wouldn't say I install everything I See but I do install apps I need for work (medical apps) which for the most part don't exactly take much space but some are known to take 300-1Gb at most. Anyway, my devices always seem to fill the native storage while the SD Card remains fairly unused. Here is an example of my phone.
So my main gripe/issue is: My SD cards are always fairly empty and only have contents I've actively copied over to them from my desktop or notebook. I am under the impression that most programs do not install the data to SD Card and use the native storage instead. Is there anyway this can change? Any tips to get more space (besides backing up pictures and deleting those, 700+ mb!).
Thank you in advance!
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I am in agreement with you, as I have progressed thru numerous phones too. After going the route of the first moto linux phone and then jumping aboard the Android system when the first G1 came out from HTC and have always had similiar problems.
There original solution was special purpose apps that would allow you to backup your apps to SD card, then other apps came along to allow you to actually run apps from SD Card but seems that not all apps can actually be accessed from SD card. I havent kept up with it all like I first did and have become rather lazy and carefree or even sloppy with how I maintain my devices files and apps organized. Much now to an overwhelming large mess of old devices and storage media not to mention profiles tied to email google accounts. Its difficult to even start over as every device wants to have a profile to sync to. It could entirely be possible to top out the memory on a brand new device after snyc to one or two profiles.
Also it seems for the average consumer that has a unrooted device it is impossible to thoroughly clean or interrogate the internal device memory . seems like the revisions of the android operating system makes file management of internal memory even more difficult to manage.
I didnt want to get too carried away but I totally feel frustrated as you do, sorry I dont have a solid technical answer to resolve your problem. I am asked all the time to fix my girlfriends tablet and I cant explain it to her where all her memory has disapeared to after a few factory resets. Doesnt seem to matter, if you load alot of apps to just give them a spin for a test ride. Even if you delete or move them to store on sd card . It seems alot of junk files still seem to reside in the internal storage and eventually will eat away at the memory until it gets to the point of inoperability. App managers can make the situatin worse by creating even more orphaned files and junk too. All this stuff is not accessible to view and review and manage.
The only answer is to have a rooted device and the expertise to properly manage this inaccessible memory?
Is there a decent file management that a nonpower consumer can rely upon?