Hello every xda members,
I have some little questions,
Is there anyone who have a working native toolchain (binutils, gcc, newlib) that I can run under my Android Phone to build binaries directly under the phone using a terminal ?
Is there any other way to program/compile applications/binaries directly on the phone ?
I want to develop on the phone without any computer.
Thanks for your help
I was wondering the same. Found this:
specificimpulses.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-android-speaks-fortran-yours-can-too.html for building fortran natively, I think. Shouldn't be much different. Gcc is a bear to compile, at least as of 3.3.1(last time I built a cross compiler)
Here you go....
First one is ndk r23b aarch64 I built paralloid and its static busybox using this(after modifying paraloids build script a bit) I have only used it within a debian chroot, so I know it works outside termux environment. also has x86_64 toolchain alongside aarch64
GitHub - lzhiyong/termux-ndk: android-ndk for termux
android-ndk for termux. Contribute to lzhiyong/termux-ndk development by creating an account on GitHub.
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I have never used this one, but It may be relevent, its the r21e ndk(r23b has bugs, this may work around)
EDIT:This r21e ndk just built the static busybox for aarch64 where r23b would only build armv7a also this one seems to have the 4.9 binaries in all archs!
GitHub - zaharchenko-main/termux-ndk: android-ndk for termux
android-ndk for termux. Contribute to zaharchenko-main/termux-ndk development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Just noticed I answered this a decade late.
Leaving more native devel tools for my future reference...
Building arm64-v8a ndk toolchain to run on device
Now I know I've done this before. But I think I had to make an entire Application.mk file. I am trying to use either the Windows or Linux NDKr19 to build a standalone toolchain that contains ONLY the arm64 executable binaries. (essentially...
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Androw said:
Hello every xda members,
I have some little questions,
Is there anyone who have a working native toolchain (binutils, gcc, newlib) that I can run under my Android Phone to build binaries directly under the phone using a terminal ?
Is there any other way to program/compile applications/binaries directly on the phone ?
I want to develop on the phone without any computer.
Thanks for your help
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Preface
OK a lot of people have been asking about building kernels, so here is my best shot at a tutorial. I want to preface this all by saying I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I am a hacker and modder at best, I like doing my own thing, fiddling, and learning what I can, but I don't claim to know/understand everything about the process of building a kernel. You guys shouldn't expect my little walk through here plus another person’s source to make you a "developer", all it will prove is that you can copy/paste. Also if you follow this guide, I am not responsible for anything that you may do that results in destruction, death, or other negative side-affects. You really shouldn't be messing with this stuff unless you know what you are doing, or doing a LOT of research along the way.
However please use this guide as a springboard for knowledge, to give you some key terms to google, to turn on those lightbulbs in your head and get those gears churning.
Note: This is not a newbie's guide to Linux. Before you post your question please look at it. If it involves the syntax of the command/what a command does you need to do your own research elsewhere before attempting to continue with this guide.
Step 1. Build Environment
A. Install Ubuntu 12.04(Not holding your hand here, if you can't do this you shouldn't be messing with kernels)
B. Required packages: git-core, gnupg, flex, bison, gperf, libsdl-dev, libesd0-dev, libwxgtk2.6-dev, build-essential, zip, curl, libncurses5-dev, zlib1g-dev, ia32-libs, lib32z1-dev, lib32ncurses5-dev, gcc-multilib, g++-multilib, and Adb.
C. Open a terminal
D. Type "mkdir android"
E. Type "cd android"
G.Type "mkdir kernel"
The above steps explained:
A. Installing a linux distro. You could really install any Linux distro(Arch = epicness ) however Ubuntu in my eyes is the easy to use and install, and widely supported.
B. Installing needed packages. I believe are these are needed(I'm sure someone will correct if they aren't), these are just the one's I was told I needed the first time I built CyanogenMod. No I can't tell you what every single package does, it is your job to research and figure that out.
C. Ummm...duh?
D-G. Building a directory structure that will help keep us organized. The "mkdir" command creates a directory, and the "cd" command moves you into that directory. You could also combine these steps using the command "mkdir -p android/kernel", however I left it broken apart up there to enforce the typing bit of this. The more you type these commands the more familiar you will become with them.
Step 2. Your Source
A. Open your Terminal Prompt
B. Type "cd android/kernel"
C. Type "git clone git://github.com/DooMLoRD/android_prebuilt_toolchains.git toolchains"
D. Now comes the tricky part, you need to have some-type of source for your kernel. Check the following two sites for your device as appropriate. Once you have it download it is extracted/cloned into a folder in your kernel directory.
http://www.htcdev.com/
http://opensource.samsung.com/
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wportal/devworld/search-downloads/opensource
http://www.lg.com/global/support/opensource/opensource.jsp
The above steps explained: Ok all we are doing here is grabbing some tool chains and the kernel source.
A. Ok...you got this one!
B. Moving into our working directory
C. Grabbing DooMLoRD's very handy pre-built toolchains. What is a toolchain? Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_toolchain. These toolchains are unstable, and as such they aren't completely endorsed yet. They are the versions I use though, and if you would like to use the stable version(4.5.3 as of 07/06/12) you can find links with Google.
D. I typically put my kernel in a directory like "~/android/kernel/<devicename>_<androidversion>_kernel" but that's just me.
Step 3. Modifications
This is the part people are curious about, they want to make modifications to the kernel to make it "special". Start all these from the root directory of your kernel source.
Mod 1. Applying a patch
A. Download the patch you wish to apply, in this case this one should work.
B. Save that file as "kernelPatch" in your kernel directory.
C. Open a Terminal
D. Move into the root directory of the kernel you wish to patch.
E. Type "patch -p1 < ../kernelPatch"
The above steps explained:
A. Pretty simple, I mean we need a patch. The patch itself is quite simply a diff between the original kernel source tree and the source tree containing the changes. I'll post a quick tutorial on how to create a patch in the third post. The patch above contains multiple governors to be added to your kernel.
B. Self-explanatory
C. Self-explanatory
D. Self-explanatory
E. Basically we run the patch command on our source using the patch we downloaded previously. The "patch" portion is the binary itself, the "-p1" option allows you to control the number of forward slashes to remove from file paths(You'll need to look at this option more if you are using weird directory structures or applying the patches from a odd location). The "<" operator directs the content of our "../kernelPatch" file into the command. Mod 2. Adding a Governor Alone
A. Open "drivers/cpufreq/Kconfig"
B. Add the following lines in appropriate spot amongst the other govenor's
Code:
config CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_SMARTASS
bool "smartass"
select CPU_FREQ_GOV_SMARTASS
select CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE
help
Use the CPUFreq governor 'smartass' as default.
Code:
config CPU_FREQ_GOV_SMARTASS
tristate "'smartass' cpufreq governor"
depends on CPU_FREQ
help
smartass' - a "smart" optimized governor!
If in doubt, say N.
C. Open "drivers/cpufreq/Makefile"
D. Add the following line in the appropriate spot.
Code:
obj-$(CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_SMARTASS) += cpufreq_smartass.o
E. Create a file called "drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_smartass.c"
F. Put the following code in that file.
http://pastebin.com/f0Bk9kVZ
G. open "include/linux/cpufreq.h"
H. Under the "Cpufreq Default" section add
Code:
#elif defined(CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_SMARTASS)
extern struct cpufreq_governor cpufreq_gov_smartass;
#define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT_GOVERNOR (&cpufreq_gov_smartass)
Ok there is a governor added, do the exact same steps for any other one's you would like to add.
The above steps explained:
A. Just opening a file, you guys have this. The Kconfig ties into our "make menuconfig" command later, making our mod a selectable option.
B. Adding the appropriate code for our governor to get it in our .config file. The first chunk would allow us to set our governor as the default one for our kernel, the other allows us to totally remove or add it to the build as we wish.
C-D. This step tells the linker to tie our module in with the rest of the code.
E-F. Creating the actually governor itself, don't skip this step. I would suggest reading through this and trying to understand how it works, it's some pretty awesome stuff.
G-H. Open a file and add the code needed to tie our module into the rest of the source. Without this we would not be able to compile due to the rest of the source not knowing our module exists.
Step 4. Getting a Config file
Option A. Pulling a config file from a kernel.
A. Hook up a device that is using a kernel similar to one you are using as your base.
B. Open a terminal
C. Change to your root kernel directory
D. Type "adb pull /proc/config.gz"
E. Type "gunzip config.gz"
F. Type "mv config arch/arm/configs/<your_config_name>_defconfig"
The above steps explained:
A. This will allow us to pull a base configuration file from a known working kernel. It makes it a lot easier to start out and let's us take baby steps through the whole process. As a note though not all kernel's support this, so you may have to try a few different one's to get it working. If that doesn't work, see option B.
B. Hehe, you are getting good at this step
C. Navigate to the uppermost directory of your kernel source.
D. Use adb to pull a copy of a working config file to use as your source.
E. Unzipping the config file.
F. Moving the configuration file you pulled to the config directory so we can reference it later. Option B. Using the manufacturers config.
Unfortunately as stated above, not all kernels support the "/proc/config.gz" method. You can typically find a manufacturer's configuration file in "arch/arm/configs". I believe the one for my HTC Flyer was called "flyer_hc_defconfig", so look for a layout similar to that one. Also read the README to get a better idea of how to modify it. I would personally make a copy of it called "<your_config_name>_defconfig" and use that as my base.Step 5. Building
Time to start the real "build" section of this tutorial.
Part A. Pre-build Steps
A. Open terminal and change to the root of your kernel directory
B. Type "export ARCH=arm"
C. Type "export CROSS_COMPILE=~/android/kernel/toolchains/arm-eabi-linaro-4.6.2/bin/arm-eabi-"
Part B. The First Build
A. Type "make <your_config_name>_defconfig"
B. Type "make menuconfig" and make the required changes to use any modules you added or similar changes.
C. Type "make -j<maximum number of jobs>"
Part C. Re-Builds
A. Type "make clean"
B. Type "make oldconfig"
C. Type "make -j<maximum number of jobs>"
Part D. Building Modules
You have two options:
A. Type "make modules"
B. Type "make path/to/your/module.ko"
The above steps explained:Part A.(These steps are required every time you close your terminal and re-open it to build again.)
A. Ok shouldn’t need to explain this.
B. This command sets your target architecture.
C. Defines the path to the toolchain we are going to use to compile our kernel. You can change this to point towards whatever toolchain you have downloaded or feel like using, the way it is currently configured it will use the Linaro toolchain that we downloaded above.
Part B.(These only need to be run the first time you build a kernel.)
A. Load's your configuration file from earlier.
B. Open up a menu to configure your kernel. It will use the config file you loaded in the previous step as a base.
C. Viola start the build. I typically allow 1 job per core, so on my quad core machine I put "make -j4". Just raising that number will not make your build faster, your processor needs to be able to support the number of jobs you are assigning it.
Part C. (Use the command's when you are building any-time outside of the first)
A. This command gets rid of any old/outdated binaries or modules you compiled before, and let's start fresh. I like to run it every I build unless my changes are really small and localized.
B. A very awesome command, it parses through what has changed and only prompts you about new options.
C. See the explanation for the above "Part C.".
Part D.(Use these for just building kernel modules.)
A. This will re-build all modules.
B. Will rebuild just the module you need. Very useful when you need to rebuild a WiFi module.
Step 6. Now what
Ok we have now started our build and we are waiting for it to finish, so there are two possible outcomes:
Outcome A. Build Succeds
W00t!! You have a kernel built by your self from source. There are a couple things you need in-order to use this kernel on your device any ".ko" modules and the zImage binary. If you pay attention to the output of your compiler then you will see the location of those objects. However the following commands will make your life a bit easier(Thanks Recognized Developer Hacre):
A. Open a terminal
B. Change to your root kernel directory
C. Type "mkdir ../<your_kernel>_output"
D. Type "cp arch/arm/boot/zImage ../<your_kernel>_output/zImage"
E. Type "find . -name "*.ko" -exec cp {} ../<your_kernel>_output \;"
The above steps explained:
A-C. Self-Explanatory
D. Move our kernel binary into our output folder
E. This handy bit of magic finds all ".ko" modules and also copies them into your output file.
You will also need to assemble a kernel image containing a initramfs for your device, along with the kernel binary and such. That however is beyond the scope of this tutorial. To get started though try searching the following phrases.
Code:
building android kernel image
xda build kernel image
xda unpack boot.img
Outcome B. Build Fails
Oh dear. It failed. Well guess what...this is going to happen..a LOT. Get used to it, and get used to googling and experimenting with different solutions. The following are some tips that will help you with debugging your issues.
Running a "Clean" build
A. Backup your config file(Type "cp .config ../backupConfig")
B. Re-run the build process using just your defconfig from earlier.
Limiting Output(Thanks Hacre.)
A. Another good tip is to run "make -j1" to get the error, as it will limit the amount of text you need to scroll through.Credits
Hacre-Feedback
cdesai-Feedback
Leedroid-Being willing to answer a noob's question's
Doomlord- Having such handy Git repo's
Enjoy. That's all it takes to build a kernel, it's actually rather simple. I will try to answer what questions I can in this thread, and continue to add to it.
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Grabbing this on the off chance that this thread takes off.
Tutorial coming on how to make a patch when I have time.(Hopefully later tonight.)
Would you mind if I use this tut to automate Build Kernel in the future for use in my tool StudioAndroid?
Credits will be given!
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Go for it, let me know if you have any problems with it.
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Would there be any interest in a tutorial on common Linux CLI tools?
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Would there be any interest in a tutorial on common Linux CLI tools?
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Like what/
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Oh find, grep, and sed are all one's I use on a regular basis, we could add a quick walk through on repo/git, maybe vi. And come to think of it talking about shell scripting would probably help out as well, it's pretty commonly used for tweaking around here.
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Oh find, grep, and sed are all one's I use on a regular basis, we could add a quick walk through on repo/git, maybe vi. And come to think of it talking about shell scripting would probably help out as well, it's pretty commonly used for tweaking around here.
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A while ago I wanted to add a BASH guide. I think that it will be greatly appreciated if you create a guide for it.
If you need any help, just PM me
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Hmm I'll start rolling with that then. And as to the 8 posts, I prefer to keep them separated by topic so that I can assume the questions in each thread can pertain to the topic at hand.
definatly want to do this!
one question though how can i get source from lets say FXP's github? i keep getting stuck there
like what directory do i need? staright to the kernel file the have or what/? if thats a yes what directory is it?
this is the git hub https://github.com/freexperia
ur help would be greatly appreciated
Well what type of device do you have? He has multiple kernels there so we need to make sure we grab the right one.
sorry it was arc or "anzu"
it is cm9 kernel im looking to make
or i could use the one from cyanogen mod if thats easier since it has the RC1 kernel
Either would work, just make sure it's for your device. Do you have a ready link to the CM9 one?
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Either would work, just make sure it's for your device. Do you have a ready link to the CM9 one?
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i cant tell which it is cause none of them have arc or anzu in them so i dont know which its for
https://github.com/freexperia/semc-kernel-msm7x30-ics.git maybe
idk cause the have all sony devices on this github..... is it just a couple of files that wil be replaced that are device specific?
Ok...I do not see a kernel in there with Qualcomm MSM8255 support. Is this http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-3619.php your phone?
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Ok...I do not see a kernel in there with Qualcomm MSM8255 support. Is this http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-3619.php your phone?
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yes but its ok i got everything workin i just dont understand step 3 part c....
Open that file, and then add that line. However I'm guessing this kernel has all the Govenor's you'll need for this. Also pay attention to the bit about the GPL, and make sure you ask the original creator's permission.
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Open that file, and then add that line. However I'm guessing this kernel has all the Govenor's you'll need for this. Also pay attention to the bit about the GPL, and make sure you ask the original creator's permission.
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oh sorry i meamnt the next part 3 (seems u have 2) about im talking about getting config file part C
Ah good catch, updated. Ok so you know you created a "android/kernel" folder? In your terminal type "cd ~/android/kernel" and press enter. Then type "ls" and press enter again. Tell me what it says.
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I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier
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[DEV] - Development for any special projects or Apps
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[KERNEL] - Custom Kernels (usually found in Original Development)
[MOD] - Hack & Modifications for the phone with code only, zips go in themes and apps
[FIX] - Fixes for known issues & bugs
[R&D] - Research & Development for Devs only, when gathering data for a new projects
[HOWTO] / [GUIDE] - How to instructions and Guides (Most of the time should be in General)
Note: If you are unsure where your new topic should go, then please post it to General
Please Include Screen Shots for ROM / MOD / THEME / Apps & Games, when possible as it's expected by our members
DEV Support for ROM / KERNEL / MOD / THEME must be provided within XDA thread posted by the Developer, otherwise it won't count as a Development, and in turn it'll be considered [INFO]rmation / [REF]erence and moved to General
Unmodified Stock ROM and Source Codes does not count as a DEVELOPMENT project unless it's part of an active project you have already started
Password must be provided for all password protected files
Direct download links preferred, due to stipulations stated in forum rule #11
Extra emphasis on rule #12
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I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier
Only the following topics are allowed in DEVELOPMENT area:
[DEV] - Development for any special projects or Apps
[ROM] - Custom ROMs
[KERNEL] - Custom Kernels (usually found in Original Development)
[MOD] - Hack & Modifications for the phone with code only, zips go in themes and apps
[FIX] - Fixes for known issues & bugs
[R&D] - Research & Development for Devs only, when gathering data for a new projects
[HOWTO] / [GUIDE] - How to instructions and Guides (Most of the time should be in General)
Note: If you are unsure where your new topic should go, then please post it to General
Please Include Screen Shots for ROM / MOD / THEME / Apps & Games, when possible as it's expected by our members
DEV Support for ROM / KERNEL / MOD / THEME must be provided within XDA thread posted by the Developer, otherwise it won't count as a Development, and in turn it'll be considered [INFO]rmation / [REF]erence and moved to General
Unmodified Stock ROM and Source Codes does not count as a DEVELOPMENT project unless it's part of an active project you have already started
Password must be provided for all password protected files
Direct download links preferred, due to stipulations stated in forum rule #11
Extra emphasis on rule #12
All ROM / MOD / DEV / etc... found in the DEV section not created by the DEV themselves does not qualify as a development, and it'll be moved to General, it should be properly tag as [INFO] or [REF], with links to the source website were it was found
Please keep all non Development relevant chatter off the DEV project topics, feel free to create a new topic in General for non Development comments about specific ROM / MOD / THEME / etc... valid replies within a DEV project are: BUG Reports, Problem, Troubleshooting Steps & Logs.
... and Please! keep all your personal bickering via PMs, do not pollute the forum with your personal indifferences.
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