[Q] 1.5 HBoot ?s - HTC EVO 3D

I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.

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Evo3d HBoot/S-off Differences/Rooting Background Info 8-5-12
Edit: I will no longer be maintaining this post. Instead I have started a full thread to help track the changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29844067#post29844067
I've had the Evo3D for a few months now and must say I really have come to like it.
If you want root, it's a bit quirky, You basically have 3 options:
(See the Hboot 1.50 HTC Unlock Guide in my signature for info & links)
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock":
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (Hboot 1.50) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty".
2) Downgrade Bootloader from Hboot 1.50 to 1.40 (to get S-Off):
This is a recent development by Unknownforce in the last few weeks. Basically involves corrupting the flashing process of the RUU by removing power in the middle of the flash and "bricking it" (more like mostly bricked). It forces the phone into a special eMMC Download mode that can only be fixed by pushing the older bootloader to the phone from a Linux pc. Good thing is that Closeone has a Linux LiveCD.iso that you copy to a USB Drive or CD and temporarily boot to a custom Linux Interface specifically set up for flashing the bootloader.
Once that's done, you rerun an earlier RUU (compatible with Hboot 1.40) to get the phone working fully, then root via "Revolutionary's site" (another fastboot/adb rooting tool) to get S-Off (Full root), load a recovery, update the radio, then you can flash roms & kernels like normal.
My current setup (keep coming back to MeanRom):
Hboot 1.40.1100 (Downgraded)
Firmware: 2.17.651.5 (Base)
Radio: 1.06.00.1216 (from 2.17 base)
Recovery: 4ext Recovery (Fully Compatible with CWM, which was a bit buggy except for v4.0.1.4)
Rom: MeanRom ICS
kernel: atx 1.9.1
Mods: LeeDroid Tweaks CDMA, ADW_Ex Launcher, Several Apps removed with SDX Stock App Remover (posted in SDX Evo3D General section).
3) Edit: Juopunutbear's S-OFF Wire Trick:
There is a similar third option now to brick (short out pins with a wire) & replace the bootloader on 1.50 with s-off but I haven't tried it. (Must HTC Unlock first & have a rooted "Stockish" rom installed)
dmdelgado said:
I wanted to share with everyone else suffering from HBoot 1.5 that if you have been using Chads ICS Firmware fix because of constant bootloops you dont need to downgrade your HBoot to 1.4. I know every time i would flash the firmware fix it would break many bugs that had already been fixed, I had to flash it to avoid getting constant boot-loops. But Juopunutbear's Wire trick to get S-Off was a miracle fix, and after it turns S-Off it asks if you would like to install a custom Juopunutbear Hboot. After this is done you are officially on HBoot 1.5 S-Off! And can flash any ICSense ROMS successfully without having bootloops! I really hope this helps someone enjoy their ROMs that much MORE because i know it feels good TO FINALLY BE FREED FROM THE CURSE OF S-ON!
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HBoot S-Off Background Info:
mpgrimm2 said:
To be honest I have not considered anything about the bootloader since downgrading and getting s-Off. I will point out that us "downgraders" don't have hboot 1.40 but "Revolutionary Hboot 1.40.1100".
My understanding is that it has more functions than stock hboot 1.40/1.50 but less functions than the Engineering Hboot. Kinda like your Jbear Hboot 1.50.5050, but I could be wrong. I'm sure one of the devs like Mike, Chad, Joeykrim, xhausx, freeza, Unknownforce, Closeone, etc would know.
Hboots:____________________Differences:
1.04.xxxx ? (Eng Hboot) = Extended functions .... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.30 (Stock Hboot with 1.07.651.1 Gb) .......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40 (Stock Hboot with 1.13.651.7 Gb) ......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40.1100 (incl. w/Revolutionary S-Off) ................. Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.50 (Stock Hboot with 2.17.651.5 Gb) ........ 2.89 based kernels status unknown
1.50.5050 (incl. w/Jbear for GB S-Off) .................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.57.5757 (incl. w/Jbear for ICS S-Off) ................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.58 (Stock Hboot with 2.89.651.2 ICS) ............. Compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels (& Vm ICS Leak), not GB based (some reports)
...............................................................................edit: Some boot issues with AOSP/AOKP roms & kernels reported (ie CM9)
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Unknownforce said:
First, keep in mind, that there are technically two S-OFF's, the hboot and the radio. This is somewhat misleading. When you're phone displays S-OFF on the hboot screen, this is actually the Radio S-OFF, not hboot S-OFF. Gaining hboot S-OFF is actually just as simple as flashing a new modified hboot. (which is why there are revo hboot and now jbear hboot, they have been modified to now have hboot S-OFF)
hboot S-OFF is almost the same as unlocking your bootloader via HTC's method. Just that HTC's method doesn't get you S-OFF and is more limited than revo/jbear S-OFF.
So a few of the the differences here are:
1.) ENG Hboot is S-OFF and offers more fastboot commands and a few more unlocked features. This is an advanced hboot that you can do serious damage to the partitions in your phone if you don't know what you're doing. It's kind of like an all access pass.
2.) The stock hboots are S-ON, they don't allow very many of the fastboot commands. These are limited to very basic fastboot commands.
3.) revo/jbear are S-OFF, they allow for many of the "standard" fastboot commands, like flashing to partitions and whatnot, but not nearly as "feature packed" as the eng hboot, these are typically enough for normal users.
As to it providing any benefit to using a newer version of hboot, the only one that provides more features is the eng hboot for more fastboot access. What this means is that there's no major feature/performance difference between 1.30 and 1.57 aside from some appearance and some security adjustments (to allow HTC Unlock and also attempt to counter the S-OFF/exploits)
As I understand it, the differences between radio S-OFF and hboot S-OFF are basically as follows:
Radio S-OFF has signature verification off, what this means is that you can flash any PG86IMG.zip and it doesn't have to be signed by HTC. This will allow it to flash just about anything from there. This is why you can revert to a lower hboot without having to do anything special when you accidentally (or purposefully) flash a new hboot over your revo or any other hboot. Radio S-OFF also doesn't check the signature of most of the current partitions (so you don't get "security warning")
hboot S-OFF allows many more of the fastboot commands to be accepted and opens up the ability to flash some of the restricted partitions from it as well.
Hope this helps clear up some confusion.
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fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846

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mnomaanw said:
Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846
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I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.

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fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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I know exactly how you feel. I used to flash my HTC Wing all the time with Windows Mobile. Even tried my hand at cooking some roms. Coming over to Android many years later -- yeah makes you feel like a noob again.
Its not that hard really. You are already familiar with what is involved with flashing. All you have to do is take it one step at a time. Just like you did years ago with Windows Mobile. Lots of tutorials walk you right through it. After you do it, you'll look back and see how easy it really was.
You'll need to unlock your bootloader and root the phone. Once you've done that you can flash almost any rom on here. I would not go S-Off just yet. I have read that downgrading your H-Boot slows the phone way down. There really is no good way to do it with 1.5 yet. There may not ever be as Sprint stopped selling the Evo 3D and lots of people are moving on to other phones.
The night I did mine, I started at 7:00 pm and finally figured it all out and got it done it was 4:30 am.
Just have to do alot of reading. No way around that.

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How does soff slow the phone?
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patrao_n said:
How does soff slow the phone?
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Just read on here, its not S-Off that slows down the phone, its the downgrade of H-Boot.
Here is the link to what I read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661709
Here is what the guy says:
frexe said:
I recently downgraded to 1.4 hboot with revolutionary s off. I then updated with Freezas AIO. And running meanrom ics 1.0 now.
The problem is that my 3g speed is at slug speeds. Ping is up at 900ish download and upload is below 100.
Before I was on hboot 1.5 2.17.651.5_Radio_1.06.00.1216 and had decent speeds.
Just wondering if someone can shed some light to this problem. Or maybe I have to go back to 1.5hboot and live without a true root.
My Phone is flashed to boost.
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iTzLOLtrain said:
I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.
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This^
Unlock and try 4ext first it will allow you to flash roms and kernels without the need to downgrade. I downgraded to hboot 1.4 because I was getting boot loops but I read that a lot of unlocked hboot 1.5 S-On people are fine so try first before going through what can be a tricky and somewhat risky process to get S-Off.
I have experienced no slowdown from downgrading and I can't see how that would have an effect but I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in if that is a factor or not.

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I haven't seen any speed slow downs with Hboot 1.50 downgraded to 1.40 either. I have seen slow downs when sprint was working on tower upgrades that went away after a week or two (drove me nuts). I would point out that the person that reported downgrade "related" slow downs had flashed the phone to Boost mobile, so there's another factor to consider. Edit: Reading thru the rest of that thread proves it wasn't related to Hboot/S-off.
I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.

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mpgrimm2 said:
I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.
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Agreed.
I'll admit that the JuopunutBear (wire trick) method may look a little more risky than the HBoot 1.4 downgrade process, but I've done two Evo 3D's using a paperclip wrapped in scotch tape (not the preferred equipment) and haven't had a problem with either phone. Several of the "bricked" users have reported a USB status in Windows of "QHSUSB_DLOAD" in the HTC Unbricking Project thread and I added this post from the HTC Amaze forum to the thread which claims that status is not a real brick (if it was there wouldn't be any indication the phone was even connected in Windows) and it can be recovered using the ControlBear utility. I got no feedback from the people that were reporting that status, and the OP also indicated that the phones were probably not hard bricked.
I haven't seen any feedback from anyone with a "bricked" phone about contacting the developers via the IRC channel they advertise on their website (#juopunutbear on freenode) or PM'ing them as I suggested in the jb thread. I have only been able to identify a few users that claim to have bricked their phones via the jb method, but they seem to be posting about their negative experience with that process in many different threads.
I don't really care which method people choose to get to S-Off as they all have risks involved and it's up to each person to determine what level of risk they are willing to take. The JuopunutBear method was a lot simpler for me and I'm not convinced the risk is that high if you use the right type of wire (insulated copper wire is recommended) and follow the instructions as documented (which a lot of people don't), but that method is fairly new and I wouldn't blame people that are HBoot 1.5 S-On for waiting a little while longer to see how many more users claim to have bricked their phones with that method.
Most people can get by with HBoot 1.5 S-On using tools like 4EXT SmartFlash and Flash Image GUI, but for those that have problems with the stock ICS kernel or want to get to S-Off for other reasons, at least there are alternatives now.
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just stay with 1.5 s-on
ive been on 1.5 for awhile with s on and it hasnt been that big of a deal. My old evo was soff and there were some nice rom switching with cwm but I uaes to use cwm to flash roms on my evo and it worked like a charm but it does not let you flash the kernal, I was having to flash kernal seperatly with flash gui which is a free download but 4xt works fine and dont have to flash kernal seperatly but eitherway is fine as I usually use specific kernals anyway. I found a routin that I am happy with and wont switch until I brick my phone or get a new one lol.
Good luck