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I don't watch Netflix on my phones that much, but i was bored today on lunch and decided to watch a Doctor Who episode. I noticed that the video playback was very dark and grainy (brightness all the way up). I'm sure others have noticed this as well but i couldn't find any posts about it. I know that the phone is capable of 1080p playback so i fired up an HQ youtube video and it looked anything but high quality. The pentile display could be the culprit in this case, but it seems like it would be the gpu because it still seems like the resolution is low. Thoughts? Comments?
Hd on my phone looks great. I won't deny the pentile display leaves a lot to be desired, but not on pictures and videos. At least for me.
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The graniness during playback is a negative characteristic of the pentile display that some people notice and others don't. The graniness is greatly reduced (even eliminated) when you turn the brightness down. I would recommend turning the brightness down to the lowest setting. The photon's display is so bright that you will probably never need to turn it up.
I noticed the dark grainy too, I thought it was just the program I was watching.
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The graniness during playback is a negative characteristic of the pentile display that some people notice and others don't. The graniness is greatly reduced (even eliminated) when you turn the brightness down. I would recommend turning the brightness down to the lowest setting. The photon's display is so bright that you will probably never need to turn it up.
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I've tried that and the quality was a bit better, however the contrast ratio on this phone is so great that the darks are dark as hell. I don't notice the pentile "screen door effect" unless i am looking for it, or if it catches my eye for a split second. Oh well, i still love the phone, i guess the Iphone's retina display spoiled me.
I dont think its the videos or the software playing the video. Its the Display Technology Moto chose to run with. Ive been on 30+ android / windows mobile / ios phones and this phone has the worse Display I have ever seen.
Its great that the display is in QHD res but the colors are awful on this phone. Coming from Evo 3D / Nexus 4G those 2 phones alone have bright colors. Especially the Nexus since it uses a AMOLED screen.
The photon is a GREAT phone but the display is just crazy bad. All my pictures / videos don't have enough color to them which then give it that grainy look. Shouldn't have to turn brightness down but even while doing that, there is still grainy picture.
Ima hold on to the photon for a lil while longer and then might jump to GSII.
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I dont think its the videos or the software playing the video. Its the Display Technology Moto chose to run with. Ive been on 30+ android / windows mobile / ios phones and this phone has the worse Display I have ever seen.
Its great that the display is in QHD res but the colors are awful on this phone. Coming from Evo 3D / Nexus 4G those 2 phones alone have bright colors. Especially the Nexus since it uses a AMOLED screen.
The photon is a GREAT phone but the display is just crazy bad. All my pictures / videos don't have enough color to them which then give it that grainy look. Shouldn't have to turn brightness down but even while doing that, there is still grainy picture.
Ima hold on to the photon for a lil while longer and then might jump to GSII.
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Oh boy, brace yourself for the wrath that will ensue... Let me run for cover.
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Oh boy, i think i can smell whats coming... sorry for starting Display War II.
The blacks being to dark is black crush. This can be fixed with software. Hopefully something like voodoo will come out to allow us to make these changes.
Also note that display also has white sub pixels in addition to RGB which is supposed to increase the perception of brightness without being brighter. At least that is what i understood.
Last note when watching netflix, 4g and wifi seem best. Not sure if the limited 3g bandwith could be lacking the addition black information making the blacks crush.
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The blacks being to dark is black crush. This can be fixed with software. Hopefully something like voodoo will come out to allow us to make these changes.
Also note that display also has white sub pixels in addition to RGB which is supposed to increase the perception of brightness without being brighter. At least that is what i understood.
Last note when watching netflix, 4g and wifi seem best. Not sure if the limited 3g bandwith could be lacking the addition black information making the blacks crush.
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Black Crush. That is exactly what it is. Everything else in this phone is near perfect. GPS locks in seconds. Speaker for music is loud and clear. Camera takes beautiful pictures. The camcorder is beautiful also at 720p 30 frames per sec. Phone is beast. Only draw back i see is the display BUT phone is nice and bright while outside in direct sunlight. As for the display i guess thats when DLNA and Micro HDMI come in LOLOL.
I bought 3 notes on sunday, one for myself, my wife and my dad, so I noticed that gray banding and pixelation when playing certain videos. So I set all 3 phones to the same Vevo video (kanye west and jay z) and its a good video to try cause it has lots of black and gray,same brightness on all phones and everything else the same,,,,and bam both my wifes and dads phone it was non existent and mine was a disaster......I couldnt whip out the box and receipt fast enough. Gonna swap it for another and hopefully all will be ok.......I wouldnt have known unless I had those other phones to directly compare, so to all of you out there maybe you need to swap yours as well.....
Can you provide a source and name for the video?
Not sure I know what you mean by source, but I downloaded the Vevo app which plays music videos at High Quality and the vid "N***** in Paris" by Kanye/Jay -Z set to high quality, brightness set to 50 percent. You could see banding on the right side during the very first few seconds of the vid and then on the bottom along the main part.....the bottom of the screen became all pixelated with the very deep blacks on my phone and the 2 others next to mine were fine.....
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Can you provide a source and name for the video?
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He is seeing the same thing I've been seeing and trying to explain.
Here is my source go to veetle.com, and scroll down to a movie channel, one called movies 2012 or something like that. And make it full screen and watch carefully at the dark areas. It is definite banding but I think all the note displays will do this for now but the user is saying the other 2 phones arent doing this. I have a new one waiting for me tomorrow that I will compare this note with to see, hopefully the one I get tomorrow doesnt do this as thats the one I'm keeping for now.
Yep exactly, my wifes phone and dads werent doing it, my phone was atrocious, so I am gonna bring it back and exchange it. Luckily I had to to sit with and make sure all the setting were the same and play things at the same exact time.
That vevo app stinks for me though. Try watching the same video on youtube with hq selected, will probably look better. Yea for me looks much better on youtube, which vevo posted btw. I see minor banding and macroblocking but for a video that warns you about causing possible seizures lol thats minor stuff or expected on the display.
irregardless of where I watch it though why would my wifes phone and my dads look perfect under then same exact conditions on the same app?.....thats the reason why I am exchanging mine.
hey check this video i just made it i play the video you say but on browser on youtube desktop mode not mobile on 720 p http://youtu.be/gTxi_pOzNxA
plays like a charm for me vevo and youtube app plays the videos not so clear so test directly on browser using flash
I am thinking about returning mine after seeing u r post.
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irregardless of where I watch it though why would my wifes phone and my dads look perfect under then same exact conditions on the same app?.....thats the reason why I am exchanging mine.
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One or two settings must have been different.
Check the auto-power LCD settings, screen mode, power savings settings, etc.
While it's true that each screen is calibrated slightly different, the difference should not be so huge. I would imagine that the calibration is relatively identical across the screens or within a certain standard of error.
Also,l I would suggest you try and record all three in action to get a more objective view as I would imagine trying to simultaneously analyze 3 5.3" screens to be fairly difficult and might be subject to bias, etc.
DId you install other apps as well? Screen adjuster, etc?
The higher the base-brightness, the better the appearance of a temporary "band-aid" fix as it masks the problem by not having the phone attempt to render to lower black levels.
I think its the video. It's very pixelated. The more detail and shifting images on the screen per second, the more the compression is noticeable.
I would suggesting downloading a 720p video and test your screen then.
Absolutely everything about all 3 phones was exact....playing the same video....same screen settings....everything identical.....which is why I know my phone is having some problem with pixelation......at least until I exchange it tomorrow.....8)
There must be a newer codec or something on some of the phones. Heres my experience, Right at the begining scene where it says Kanye and the Jay, with people dancing in the letters on a black background.
1) Dolphin Browser-Declined to open in youtube, hit full screen within the embeded video. Put it up to 1080p, video studders and the black is greyish and to the right of the word JAY banding and bleeding.
2) Went to Vevo website(In dolphin), no way to pick video setting, same grey/banging and bleeding to the right.
3) Went to Vevo website in stock browser. Video choppy and froze phone.
4) Downloaded vevo app. Put on High quality still banding.
5)Loaded 1080p in native Youtube app, perfect Blacks and NO BANDING or BLEEDING!
Doesnt look that great on my 23"lcd either!
Whats the deal here guys? Sounds like the browers either have older codec that dont work so well with HQ video(they were studdering, lots of macroblocking) and th eYoutube app has newer ones as it plays silky smooth.
THough ive noticed with alot of the video on the web on this fone, maybe its because its mobile versions, the quality ranges dramatically. It may be that we have such a high res, the videos look worse than they would on most 800x400 android phones.
Most the videos have to be compressed anyway, even the video in the YT app had some slight macrobocking.
Now the one you returned, was the screen on the yellowish white and saturated red side? My whites are "warm" as opposed to "cool", save for some viewing angles. Turning up the brightness makes red too saturated, the mario brothers vs wright bros they look red/orange on full brighness, even on lowest still more than I would like.
I know every phone is diff. I had got a replacement Sayno and my whites went from cool to warm, same phone. Also, some people dont know how to shoot video, compress it or just have bad equipment or taste in editing.
hmm
How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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I think he's talking about the browser YouTube. It has 480/720/1080..
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I think he's talking about the browser YouTube. It has 480/720/1080..
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Thanks, that makes much more sense. I ended up testing that same video in 720P on the browser YouTube and the difference is night & day compared to the YouTube app's HQ version. Browser YouTube shows the video crystal clear!
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How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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Just download TubeMate from the Amazon app store. You can download and save any YouTube clip you want in the highest format possible. When I downloaded some 1980p and 720p videos I didn't notice any weird distortion etc.
I had a similar issue the other day, and after reading this thread I decided to load up the video I had the problem with. The video was the latest Game of Thrones season 2 trailer, it has alot of light and dark areas with alot of shades of gray moving around.
So two days ago the video was unwatchable, and now it looks fine. I wish I knew what was going on. I'm off to work now, tonight I will investigate further, play with some settings etc.
I downloaded the jay z kanye video using tubemate and it still showed blocking when watched in dark room.
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How can you tell if your phone does this? Can someone explain to me what it looks like
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I'm very interested on getting the note.... my question is how do movies look with this screen? How is the video playback and camera quality?
Camera quality is GREAT and there are no words to describe video quality. They look spectacular. Put a 64gb micro SD in my note and have several 1080p vids on it and good GOD they are gorgeous. The color quality and blacks on this screen.... perfect for viewing movies.
The camera app has a ton of features and parameter tweaks and I love having this huge screen as a viewfinder. I find the photo quality excellent, being able to read the titles of magazines in he background of several pics of family. They look good viewed on a 31" PC monitor too. I mean this is no DSLR, but as far as phone cams go, its one of he better ones. Can focus a bit slowly but I prefer the photos from the note when compared to a iPhone 4s- color vividness is much better, as is contrast and overall saturation.
In case you can't tell, I'm on love with the note's picture-taking and video-viewing capabilities. Plus it has enough battery to let you do a lot of both.
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Camera quality is GREAT and there are no words to describe video quality. They look spectacular. Put a 64gb micro SD in my note and have several 1080p vids on it and good GOD they are gorgeous. The color quality and blacks on this screen.... perfect for viewing movies.
The camera app has a ton of features and parameter tweaks and I love having this huge screen as a viewfinder. I find the photo quality excellent, being able to read the titles of magazines in he background of several pics of family. They look good viewed on a 31" PC monitor too. I mean this is no DSLR, but as far as phone cams go, its one of he better ones. Can focus a bit slowly but I prefer the photos from the note when compared to a iPhone 4s- color vividness is much better, as is contrast and overall saturation.
In case you can't tell, I'm on love with the note's picture-taking and video-viewing capabilities. Plus it has enough battery to let you do a lot of both.
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I second what you said!
Seeing some posts about which has a better camera here is a picture at 100% crop, left is GS3 and right is DNA. What do you think?
Link to full res file:
https://app.dumptruck.goldenfrog.com/p/lIhSYV5Klf
The color of the sky shows the most distinction. Clear blue vs. greyish.
True but the building looks less washed out and richer on the DNA.
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That is a great comparision. Thanks. Both look good. GS3 looks a tad better.
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The GS3 definitely looks better. More accurate colors, better exposure, and higher detail on fine lines and text.
Some comparisons
Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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First images the big difference is white balance easy to fix. Both images need adjustment.
Second set of images yes the Iphone is brighter. But its to bright the highlights are all blown. From the view point of post processing the DNA image has better shadow detail and high lights are properly exposed. You can not fix what is not there. There for you can not restore the lost high light detail in the Iphone images. And again both images need white balance adjustments.
Oh and by the way pixel peeping cell phone images is stupid. They are just snapshots. 99 percent of them are going to end up at 72 DPI with heavy JPG compression for web posting anyway, Or worse yet slapped with canned Instagram filters.
Tbh both look **** but that is every Camera Phone out there until they make the Galaxy Camera into a Phone.
I wouldn't look at either of them on their own in a pic on facebook and call out the colours or picture quality......... it is what it is, a picture take from a phone.
People love to make a big deal about it, I'm not ever going to own a GS3 or a Droid DNA but tbh :\ Both look the same to me in terms of quality.
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Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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On the video the Droid DNA reflects so much light, though Samsung devices have always been on the lowest side of reflecting light, only just beaten now by the iPhone 5.
In pictures (I haven't read your post so I dunno which is which) the one on the right look a lot better.
FIXED!!!!
I saw a post about Camera 360 Ultimate after I posted my shots. This 3rd party app COMPLETELY fixed this issues. The default camera software absolutely blows. I purchased Camera ZOOM FX a long time ago and installed it. Again, the issues are all gone. Do NOT use the default camera.
I also resolved the video playback issue with the 3rd party app called MX player. Under settings, I checked all the boxes under hardware decoding, changed CPU core limit to 4, changed Color depth to 32-bit, and then after the movie started playing I turned the brightness all the way up. I'm not sure if all those steps are necessary, but it fixed ALL my complaints regarding video playback on the DNA.
I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo much happier with my phone choice now!!!!
the dna colors look more realistic in the photos. the iphone is way too bright and white. and i cant wait to try the dna! the rezound camera was the best out then and hope the dna to be the same!
I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
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I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
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Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
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light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
suzook said:
Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
Straf said:
This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
tacitust said:
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.