Just wanted to know if you could tether the GS3 without your network knowing?
I've only owned a wifi android tablet - so not clued up on how android handles 3g tethering etc?
There's some UK operators offering unlimited data with the GS3 at the moment...
Most of them allow it anyway. Three do for definite anyway, same with T-Mobile.
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Most of them allow it anyway. Three do for definite anyway, same with T-Mobile.
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The only way is tether then "do not download" anything.
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mrdeviance said:
Just wanted to know if you could tether the GS3 without your network knowing?
I've only owned a wifi android tablet - so not clued up on how android handles 3g tethering etc?
There's some UK operators offering unlimited data with the GS3 at the moment...
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The only way is tether then "do not download" anything.
You should check whether your data is actually unlimited or (which it usually is) 1GB . I tethered my phone to my tablet and only appears as mobile data on my allowance (o2)
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Why can you not download. Ive hit 40gb a month on tmobile tethering and its fine. If you have unlimited, then its fine. You will just get traffic managed on Three if your in the top 5% of their users.
there is literally no way for any netwsork to know that you are tethering. i dont even know why people worry about it.
if you run over your data allowance they will just charge you for the extra. its basically in their interest for you to tether.
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there is literally no way for any netwsork to know that you are tethering.
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Tethering can be detected by browser string interception and network address translation detection quite easily. Many providers around the world do detect and block tethering. I'm with T-Mobile on an account where tethering is not allowed but I've done it loads and exceeded my 3gb limit and they haven't done a thing about it.
Both those methods of detection do not work. NAT makes it HARDER for someone to detect whats going on beyond your device in the local network, not easier. They cant detect what is happening beyond the modem in your phone any more than the cable company can detect whats going on in your physical wired network beyond your router in your home cable line.
Browser string is not device specific and can be modified on most if not all devices by any user.
The only thing stopping you tethering is them saying you cant do it. Been tethering since the days of my nokia 6233 and never had any hassle from providers and never payed an extra penny for the priveledge.
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NAT makes it HARDER for someone to detect whats going on beyond your device in the local network, not easier. They cant detect what is happening beyond the modem in your phone any more than the cable company can detect whats going on in your physical wired network beyond your router in your home cable line.
Browser string is not device specific and can be modified on most if not all devices by any user.
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Of course NAT makes detection harder but all sorts of protocols such as rDNS lookup and SMTP leak local IP addresses. Personally I find it unrealistic that any network provider would be employing these techniques, all I'm saying is they are possible.
What interests me is that some networks do block tethering. I'm not sure if any UK ones do, but the question I'd have is how do they do it?
Are they relying on default APN entries and blocking the ones a phone would access for tethering?
Sorry to butt in to this, but I have just installed Salmon rom on my gs2 and since this whenever I try to connect to the net I am taken to a screen from Three that says tethering is not allowed on my unlimited plan. It is turned off on my phone. I have to turn off mobile data then turn it back on again to be able to get on the net. Tried other roms and stock, and all are fine. So Three at least know when you are tetherd and do not allow it.
Basic gist i got of this (via a giff gaff comment) is that they will only guess based on massive download totals in a day or a few hours. So don't go over 1GB for example in a few hours, limit what you download and spread it over days. Giff Gaff (02 network) WILL ban if it detects this way.
Fortunately Ive had no such problems with 3 network
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Anyone use tethering to download too much data and had repercussions from T-Mobile? I'm just wondering if/how much I should limit my bandwidth use. Use tethering frequently on the train and such.
After 5gb of data you will likely get throttled to EDGE-only speed. You will receive a message from TMO if this happens. If you are just checking email, chat, facebook, etc it is highly unlikely you will kill your 5gb.
I just recieved the text message yesterday and I have to say the speed that they throttle you down to renederd my laptop practically useless. Even just trying to log into Yahoo my browser timed out. Just FYI.
How much bandwidth did you use? I was up to 2.3 gigabyte last month.
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After 5gb of data you will likely get throttled to EDGE-only speed. You will receive a message from TMO if this happens. If you are just checking email, chat, facebook, etc it is highly unlikely you will kill your 5gb.
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its not even EDGE speeds. more like a little bit better than GPRS speeds around 50-59kbps. my edge speeds is almost triple this and my 3g speeds peak at 5.3mbps at night and 3-4mbps during day
to OP- Tmobile used to allows 10GB of bandwidth but now its cut to half to 5GB which can be easily used up by tethering,but then again tethering using USB in settings, MobileAP, or an app like EasyTether and PDAnet is not covered in the contract and actually goes against the terms of use
Of course, most probably already know tethering is expressly forbidden by the terms and conditions for most (if not all) contracts with TMO. While they've cast a blind eye to in the past, this is changing.
Beginning Nov 3, TMO will offer a $15 Tethering option which is less expensive than other carriers. Each activated IMEI (phone serial) will get no more than one IP address. All tethered data will count toward your 5GB monthly limit. Like other carriers, your monthly data cap doesn't increase just because you pay more. Unlike other carriers though, you will NOT be charged overage fees unless perhaps you somehow manage to tether without a proper plan in place.
The DHCP pool which currently assigns / allows acquiring of the additional addresses for any tethered devices that you may be using will be limited to just "one" address. In order to tether after this change, you'll require a minimum of 2 IP addresses. This limitation will only be officially lifted upon adding a monthly paid tethering plan to your account. Being rooted or on an unoffical rom likely won't change this as it'll all be controlled by the TMO's network hardware which is out of our reach.
Update to reply to the post by 2000nits below...
That assumes that TMO won't modify the normal operation it's APN gateway to prevent Private DHCP then tethering as we know it might not be possible. Then, you'd be forced to get your addresses from their DHCP server alone.
Yeap . this is a sad sad day for tmob...
I am going to look for a better carrier ./ option
I can get Virgin mobile wifi unlimited , and someone else cheaper for the phone
You think they will send a notice to all users with a 'Change of Terms' letter enclosed???
Also, does anyone know how to monitor my usage?? How do I know how much data I've transfered thus far in my billing cycle??
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You think they will send a notice to all users with a 'Change of Terms' letter enclosed???
Also, does anyone know how to monitor my usage?? How do I know how much data I've transfered thus far in my billing cycle??
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You can monitor usage with netcounter in market. Free and I have been using it since g1.
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Of course, most probably already know tethering is expressly forbidden by the terms and conditions for most (if not all) contracts with TMO. While they've cast a blind eye to in the past, this is changing.
Beginning Nov 3, TMO will offer a $15 Tethering option which is less expensive than other carriers. Each activated IMEI (phone serial) will get no more than one IP address. All tethered data will count toward your 5GB monthly limit. Like other carriers, your monthly data cap doesn't increase just because you pay more. Unlike other carriers though, you will NOT be charged overage fees unless perhaps you somehow manage to tether without a proper plan in place.
The DHCP pool which currently assigns / allows acquiring of the additional addresses for any tethered devices that you may be using will be limited to just "one" address. In order to tether after this change, you'll require a minimum of 2 IP addresses. This limitation will only be officially lifted upon adding a monthly paid tethering plan to your account. Being rooted or on an unoffical rom likely won't change this as it'll all be controlled by the TMO's network hardware which is out of our reach.
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As long as tethering still works like it did with usb tethering on cyanogen roms we do not get 2 ips from the carrier. Your phone gets 1 ip address from carrier and then acts as a router giving you private ip addresses that your carrier does not see. Same as you home ISP does not give out multiple ip addresses if you have multiple PCs at home conneted to a router.
Conclusion: Pay tmo $15/mo extra or root and do it for free (at your own risk). I have done it since the g1 days but very rarely, never had a prob.
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As long as tethering still works like it did with usb tethering on cyanogen roms we do not get 2 ips from the carrier. Your phone gets 1 ip address from carrier and then acts as a router giving you private ip addresses that your carrier does not see. Same as you home ISP does not give out multiple ip addresses if you have multiple PCs at home conneted to a router.
Conclusion: Pay tmo $15/mo extra or root and do it for free (at your own risk). I have done it since the g1 days but very rarely, never had a prob.
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^ This. I don't see how t mobile could track that you are tethering. Your phone requests the data, than transfers the data to the device you are tethering just like a router. The "outside world" only ever sees your router, or phone in this case. Unless I am misunderstanding the way tethering works.
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AFAIK, an APN is required for tethering to work. The carrier controls this. Without APN access and one that plays nice with tethering apps, tethering may become impossible with existing tethering / wifi router apps?
Tethering Via Kies or Tethering Via Dial-Up Connection
Currently you can easily tether via Samsung Kies or by creating a dial-up connection. How will these two options change?
How would T-Mo know you are tethering via keys or dial-up connection?
I do have Kies and I've set up dial-up tethering, it works, however I have internet everywhere I go, so I never have really tethered other than just testing to see if it works. I think it is a shame though, people who abused tethering kinda ruined it for everyone. Now if you need to tether in an emergency, which in my case would be maybe like once a year or something, now the option is closed to everyone? Maybe they can create an emergency tethering plan. You pay for the 1 time you need to tether. I dunno.
*dial-up isn't really dial-up in the sense you may be thinking like in the old modem dial up days.
Well - it was only a matter of time before AT&T stepped in. BGR reports that AT&T is cracking down on people tethering without the appropriate data plan.
This leads me to two questions:
(1) How do you suppose they know who is doing this? (Excessive use? Looking at data flows? etc.)
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(2) For those who are using tethering without plan, what method do you use and does it make a difference?
(A) Adding APN (via aRoot script or other method).
(B) Modifying existing APNs (via richhed's method).
(C) Using App like Barnacle or Wifi-Tether.
Lets discuss!
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Use C, they can't prove you're doing it. Modifying your APN is an idiotic method to use.
i dont go over 2-3gb much
but i want to know i have it when i needed it
this is totally crap
That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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you tell 'em!
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That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
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" It is safe to assume that a large portion of the unofficial, tethering populous is jailbroken iPhone users and rooted Android users."
Glad i have unlimited data plan and no need for tethering
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Read on engadget today that AT&T is cracking down on people using tethering without a tethering plan. So far only people that have an Iphone are getting cracked down. I use the APN method. Will this be safe because I dont want to lose my unlimited data plan and get knocked down to 4gb + tether because thats what they are doing.
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i dont believe any android users have gotten the email/text YET. But you wont lose your unlimited data until after you receive the first warning email/text
There was an informative comment in the engadget comments:
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
Apple uses a TTL of 64 for the iPhone, by the way. So change the TTL on your computer to "65" and there should be no problem. Here's how to do it:
1. Click Start - Search and type “regedit”. This launches the WIndows Registry.
2. In the registry, navigate to the following registry key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters] HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SYSTEM
\CurrentControlSet
\Services
\Tcpip
\Parameters
3. In the right pane, right-click and select New – DWORD (32-bit value) and set its name as “DefaultTTL” and set its value anything between “0? and “255?. The value sets the number of Hops or links the packet traverses before being discarded.
REPORT
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TTL is a good start. However, deeper packet inspection would reveal HTTP requests from sources other than "approved software packages" (i.e. the http request would show a browser name like chrome). Protocols other then HTTP would be equally revealing.
Deep packet inspection is expensive; so they probably look for people whom consume a generous amount of monthly bandwidth and sniff their traffic.
The only way to protect yourself would be to encrypt your packet payload, until it reached a non-AT&T intermediate node. And of course, eventually that type of behavior would be a red flag. However, they would not be able to PROVE you were tethering, they would only have a reasonable suspicion (which appears to be enough for AT&T).
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Im not sure what the default TTL is for the plethora of Android devices or if this is even how ATT is finding out. Maybe Android users have not gotten letters yet is because of what someone said earlier: apple included something in 4.3 to detect this. Also, IF they are using TTL to detect, there are way too many Android devices with presumably different TTL values for them to precisely detect who is tethering.
from most the reports ive seen ATT has been usually handing these notices out to users that have heavy bandwidth usage. By heavy i mean, 18gb+ a month, this has been the case at least for most iPhone tethering users according to modmyi. It is pretty random tho as I've seen someone use as much as 33 gb in a month and not get served. but if ur within the 5 gb - 10 gb range i dont think you have to worry
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As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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Yep tell it like it is.
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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At least with verizon, you have to deal with the same ****ty service, but you get LTE instead.
(I'm on at&t....)
t0dbld said:
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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What service are you paying for? We already pay for data. Data is data. What if internet providers started saying you pay for data to be sent to the modem, but you have to pay an additional service to "tether" it to another device such as a router or computer?
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
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t0dbld said:
well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
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But it's those that DO use it on 5+ devices, pulling in 20GB a month that ruin it for everyone else. Not to mention crowd our whole network with unnecessary traffic.
Since I rarely tether, have a built-in Navi for my car, and don't buy into the whole tablet frenzy, I may not feel your specific needs. But for those that are abusing the workaround, I have zero sympathy.
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I just got the tethering text... Im on the unlimited plan and have used about 2gb this month. I mainly use webtop with the hacked tethering method.
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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right, Android users are NOT safe...
Ive been using android on ATT since last July and have not touched an iPhone since, so theres no ambiguity with this.
[Q] tethering caught with fox fi- with proxy
i have been a big fan of tethering since my old iPhone days.
the switch to android has been a big step and i am not telling anyone to tether so please don't abuse this.
i used foxfi with proxy for about 4 months until last night. got a email from AT&t stating that i would be moved to a tethering plan for 65 dollars more a month and one less gig than i had before. so for all those that use foxfi with proxy, it doesn't work. i know pda net dosent work from friend who also got a letter, before me.
so i am stuck .. no more tethering for me.. i am actually retiring from it. but i still keep the option on my phone if such an emergency arises.
hears where i am asking for the opinions of the xda members. i am not sure how at&t knows, but they did, and it doesn't make sense that they scan all every packet of data. any ideas how they know?
i did do one thing that i found hidden on my samsung notei717. under network settings it only shows ONE apn. but... if you download a apn-manager it shows a hidden APN-att-entitlement. is this how they know? i thought it was only used for people who pay for tethering? is it also used to track tethering?
i ended up using a sql editor and removed the line for this APN from the(/data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/telephony.db) rebooted phone and now its gone, phone works well and i havent seen any problems yet. ( i did make a copy if anyone wants to see the original)
might anyone in here have any ideas of how at&t knew ?
i am more curious if anything.. even my wife told me, that i have a big enough screen, just use it as a computer from now on.
was it this APN that gave it away? (i tethered a android tablet for internet and games)
I'm on T-Mobile and have been caught tethering, I use chrome extension user-agent switcher. Choose the Android user-agent. If some pages require IE then just precede with HTTPS.
Try it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
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i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
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Personally I'd handle the VPN on the laptop/computer instead of the phone itself. Inherently there's an overhead for a VPN and requires processing power which would slow down your throughput on your phone if the phone was handling that.
Here's a link that has a decent walk through if you want to use the phone for the VPN.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/securely-connect-your-android-smartphone-via-vpn/3321
What APN did you delete? can you post the values of it? Also why do you want to change your TTL?
I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
Not that I'm in any way knowledgeable in the context of this topic, but when you mentioned the alteration and/or deletion of hidden APN data...
Bear in mind that a stock GB build for the ATT note, contains 1352 separate APN's....
And I'm not sure if the hidden file will capture the additional data or not to prevent detection, but I thought I'd post anyway just in case it helps at all ...g
Edit : I can't say for sure where these APN logs are stored or how/when they are accessed, but I know they exist as they can be seen when backing or restoring the GB or ICS UCLF6 Builds when tracking the line by line process.
Good luck to you gentlemen, I have nothing else to offer on the subject ....sorry ....g
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I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
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Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
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Agreed, it would look suspicious, but suspicion isn't enough to warrant AT&T to switch your account.
I got the email from AT&T about a year ago warning me about tethering and I called the number and she said their system looks for many thing and throws up red flags when it can prove you are tethering. She said they have to have proof before they can warn people. I was using my device to tether an iPod touch and she told me the reason I was caught was because I had downloaded apps from the App Store on an I device but my sim card was never shown to be inside an Idevice. It was crazy because I used several devices to tether for at least three years without being caught and within a week of using the iPod I was caught.
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
I got a warning once after watching Netflix... on my phone. They're usually bull****.
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Earlier this month, I was on vacay and decided to use my phone to tether to my laptop (wasnt going to pay $12 at the hotel for damn sure), and I forgot and left it on thru one night. I didn't really "tether" per say, I turned my phone to a hotspot actually and it's not like my internet usage was higher than normal neither.
Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Well because AT&T wants to get you for every single penny they can. They want to charge you for a data plan, then a tether plan and roaming plan, and idevice plan, a non-idevice plan, a gps plan, a navigation plan, a text to speech plan, your grandma is a dirty girl plan, your connected to more than one tower at a time plan, a video chat plan. I'm sure you get the point, if they can squeeze that extra penny from the people and force them to pay higher prices, even though it alienates their consumers, they know people aren't going to leave. The market isn't who has the best service gets the most customers anymore. It's you will use us because we're all owned by the same company and we just give you the illusion that you have choices, but in reality all your money are belong to us.
/climbs off of soapbox
I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
Did you delete the tethering manager program?
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johnrippa said:
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
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drnecropolis said:
I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
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aside from charging you for tethering...they dont charge you for the overage from the 3gig to 8gig? that has to be a lot
I have a rooted (via this wonderful site) HTC rezound on a grandfathered unlimited Verizon plan. As soon as I was rooted I installed the only wifi tether that I could get to work. After a few months of wonderfully excessive data usage both via tether and phone use, I can no longer maintain a connection to the internet if i use a wireless tether. I can stay connected with a USB tether.
Starting from a fresh boot the phone has a great 4G connection with speed tests over 20mbps. Once I start the wireless tether, I can connect a device and download no more than a few mb of data before the connection is lost. The phone continues to say that I have a great connection to the tower, but I can not connect to the internet via the tether or any app on my my phone. Speed test apps say there is "no server connection" but that I am on the Verizon network. The only way to get the server connection back is to reboot the phone. I have found that I can use Foxfi USB tether to connect a device without losing a server connection, but what good is that to multiple devices?
Is it possible that Verizon can tell that I am wirelessly tethering and is blocking my server connection? It seems like a stretch, seeing as Foxfi USB works (wireless does not), but I would not be surprised. And if they are doing this, wouldn't that be illegal according to the "Open Access Rule" they are required to abide by?
If not that, then what could be the problem?
Thanks for your help.
I have never had an issue tethering the three years I have been doing it with Verizon. I am also a grandfathered Unlimited user. The Open Access Agreement only works with new contracts. Unlimited contracts have to follow Verizon's old policy as we aren't paying extra if we go over a certain amount (like tiered plans do).
I would blame either the ROM or program. I use the native tether from AOSP ROMs and have no issues you are experiencing
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Uzephi said:
The Open Access Agreement only works with new contracts. Unlimited contracts have to follow Verizon's old policy as we aren't paying extra if we go over a certain amount (like tiered plans do).
I would blame either the ROM or program.
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Uzephi, if you are going to post a reply, know what you are talking about first. Aside from not knowing anything about “Open Access” standards, you didn’t even notice that the problem materialized after months of usage without issue. So it couldn’t be an issue with the ROM or program. YOU NEED TO READ AND UNDERSTAND A POST BEFORE REPLYING.
The Open Access Agreement or Rule is a condition of Verizon’s usage of the C-Block 700 Mhz spectrum that was won at an FCC auction in 2008. It is a stipulation that was enforced in 2012 when the FCC fined Verizon $1.25 million for blocking access to tethering apps. It has nothing to do with grandfathered accounts or new customer contracts. It is all about how Verizon manages data transmission via its LTE network.
What I was proposing was that Verizon has figured out a way to detect tethering and is able to shut down network connections. The loss of a network connection is intermittent and hard to predict. Sometimes my connection to a network server is maintained while my tethered device cannot make a decent connection. Sometimes neither my tethered devises nor my phone can connect to a server. Sometimes the connection is strong. The reason I think that this is something that Verizon is doing is because if I reboot my phone, most of the time everything goes back to normal, at least for a little while. I have considered throttling, but I am in a small town, I can’t imagine that Verizon would throttle their LTE in a small town, let alone throttle it at all.
So, any INFORMED thoughts?
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And if they are doing this, wouldn't that be illegal according to the "Open Access Rule" they are required to abide by?
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"The FCC also is saying that Verizon cannot charge customers on tiered data plans the $20 a month tethering fee, but it can charge it for those customers who are on an unlimited data plan." source
slyckt said:
It has nothing to do with grandfathered accounts or new customer contracts. It is all about how Verizon manages data transmission via its LTE network.
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Read response above. I was informing you of a stipulation you apparently do not know about your own contract.
I have a similar contract and plan: unlimited. Why would one be stopped and not the majority? I use well over 150GB a month(mostly all tethered) and never had an issue, so I know it isn't Verizon stopping it. Please read up on what you are raging about before making accusations. It is not illegal for them to stop unlimited plans from tethering as you claim.
Edit: my hypothesis for previous post?
Similarities: Phone, data plan
Differences: ROM, Program
Goal? Trying to tether.
Results: my phone, Plan, ROMs (AOSP) and program (app) let me tether a lot.
Why can't you? Check the differences.
Maybe the app updated in the background and broke your tether.
Please act more respectful to a suggestive post instead of raging at my hypothesis.
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...... I have found that I can use Foxfi USB tether to connect a device without losing a server connection, but what good is that to multiple devices?
......It seems like a stretch, seeing as Foxfi USB works (wireless does not).....
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It is the app... Please check before raging.
http://pdanet.co/help/devices.php
" *If you have one of the following models, the latest Android update has broken WiFi mode but it may still be possible to support it in future FoxFi updates: Samsung Epic Touch (Sprint), HTC Rezound (Verizon), LG Lucid (Verizon), T-mobile Galaxy SII and Samsung Proclaim."
Our device is not supported by foxfi anymore..... Please for the love of god check your APP before claiming that it isn't it!
You most likely got the Global update and it broke your foxfi, or somehow it was working and now it doesn't anymore and you didn't look at the app first.
Even though you were mean, I helped you. Please return the favor and help another @$$hole today
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I really hope I can get some timely help. This site has given me a lot of solutions in the past. The gears of war 5 tech test ends tomorrow and this happened yesterday in the middle of a game...
My s9plus is unlocked for any carrier. Bought it back in January for $150 and it initially was in Verizon. I got with boost and my hotspot always worked using the dun trick when making a new apn. About a month and a half ago, boost forced my phone randomly to connect to a tower that was less efficient. I went from 70mbps down and 10mbps up and 5bar signal to 6mbps down and less than 1 mbps up. My bar strength was at a constant 2/3 and the connection would constantly fluctuate, but I was still able to use the hotspot if I could find a spot in my home the connection would work.
Boost wouldnt correct this issue, and after all the troubleshooting with no solution, I switched to metro a few days ago. No part of me was concerned I would be losing something doing this. I had no clue, but assumed it would be fine.
My connection is 5 bars, lte, speeds are not what I hoped but upload speed is very solid. However, the hotspot will no longer connect my devices to the internet. I only use my xbox one and although it will connect to the hotspot, it will not share the internet. I spent a few hours trying to do several things, including using adb shell to change the dun value to 0. I would appreciate any advice, because where I live has no internet options and I'm freaking out as this was all I had and now its not working despite me doing everything right. I even tried using pdanet and making my computer a hotspot, but a double nat on my xbox isnt enough to let me connect to games, just gives me about 5mbps down and 1 mbps up.
Nowayyy said:
I really hope I can get some timely help. This site has given me a lot of solutions in the past. The gears of war 5 tech test ends tomorrow and this happened yesterday in the middle of a game...
My s9plus is unlocked for any carrier. Bought it back in January for $150 and it initially was in Verizon. I got with boost and my hotspot always worked using the dun trick when making a new apn. About a month and a half ago, boost forced my phone randomly to connect to a tower that was less efficient. I went from 70mbps down and 10mbps up and 5bar signal to 6mbps down and less than 1 mbps up. My bar strength was at a constant 2/3 and the connection would constantly fluctuate, but I was still able to use the hotspot if I could find a spot in my home the connection would work.
Boost wouldnt correct this issue, and after all the troubleshooting with no solution, I switched to metro a few days ago. No part of me was concerned I would be losing something doing this. I had no clue, but assumed it would be fine.
My connection is 5 bars, lte, speeds are not what I hoped but upload speed is very solid. However, the hotspot will no longer connect my devices to the internet. I only use my xbox one and although it will connect to the hotspot, it will not share the internet. I spent a few hours trying to do several things, including using adb shell to change the dun value to 0. I would appreciate any advice, because where I live has no internet options and I'm freaking out as this was all I had and now its not working despite me doing everything right. I even tried using pdanet and making my computer a hotspot, but a double nat on my xbox isnt enough to let me connect to games, just gives me about 5mbps down and 1 mbps up.
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I would contact your provider and ask to make sure that your phone is compatable with all of the services they have.
Because it is a Verizon phone originally (and even though network unlocked) it may not be able to connect to Metro's systems if it is using verizon's configuration for hotspot. If customer service confirms that a BYOD can use hotspot features, your phone is compatable, your line is properly configured for (and is actually supposed to have) hotspot data access then perhaps try flashing the firmware for MetroPCS and see if that helps. I know that my sprint phone had some stuff on it that was configured for Sprint so it would have never worked even after network unlocking and using a different provider. Flashing the phone with T-Mobile firmware solved that problem...
scottusa2008 said:
I would contact your provider and ask to make sure that your phone is compatable with all of the services they have.
Because it is a Verizon phone originally (and even though network unlocked) it may not be able to connect to Metro's systems if it is using verizon's configuration for hotspot. If customer service confirms that a BYOD can use hotspot features, your phone is compatable, your line is properly configured for (and is actually supposed to have) hotspot data access then perhaps try flashing the firmware for MetroPCS and see if that helps. I know that my sprint phone had some stuff on it that was configured for Sprint so it would have never worked even after network unlocking and using a different provider. Flashing the phone with T-Mobile firmware solved that problem...
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I should clarify that I did have access, I just hit the data cap. None of the steps I used helped me to use my hotspot after the data limit for metro
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I should clarify that I did have access, I just hit the data cap. None of the steps I used helped me to use my hotspot after the data limit for metro
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So you hit a hotspot data cap with MetroPCS and you want to bypass/circumvent that so you can continue to use the hotspot?
If the above is correct then you essentially won't get any help here because of what your asking to do..
Whether or not anyone agrees/disagrees with the data cap you paid for a service that gives you a set amount of gigabytes for hotspot use. Attempting to bypass/circumvent that data cap so you can use more then what was included in the service can be construed as theft.
Either purchase additional buckets of data for use, wait until the data cap resets or find a better provider that offers you a larger (or unlimited) amount of data for use with hotspot functionality.
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So you hit a hotspot data cap with MetroPCS and you want to bypass/circumvent that so you can continue to use the hotspot?
If the above is correct then you essentially won't get any help here because of what your asking to do..
Whether or not anyone agrees/disagrees with the data cap you paid for a service that gives you a set amount of gigabytes for hotspot use. Attempting to bypass/circumvent that data cap so you can use more then what was included in the service can be construed as theft.
Either purchase additional buckets of data for use, wait until the data cap resets or find a better provider that offers you a larger (or unlimited) amount of data for use with hotspot functionality.
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I could post atleast 10 other threads on xda specifically showing people how to do what I'm asking, but I'm not really asking for your permission my friend, just anyone's advice if they know why I was never affected on boost when using dun in my apn, but dun and adb shell editing didnt work with metro, and what I could do about it.
Nowayyy said:
I could post atleast 10 other threads on xda specifically showing people how to do what I'm asking, but I'm not really asking for your permission my friend, just anyone's advice if they know why I was never affected on boost when using dun in my apn, but dun and adb shell editing didnt work with metro, and what I could do about it.
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While it maybe true other threads on the subject, that doesn't mean they (or you) are in the right either. I was just stating a fact that what your trying to do can be construed as theft.
Within regards to why you essentially won't get much help here because of what your trying to do, I should have been more clear on the meaning behind that. Essentially the problem is how the provider detects and/or handles hotspot data. In this case it is obvious that MetroPCS has a different method for handling and/or detecting hotspot data use then Boost Mobile. I am not sure if anyone here would have the technical insight on what one does over the other as far as hotspot data... Granted it is always a possibility someone does, but I haven't seen many posts that indicate discussions go into those kinds of discussions.
I am poking around on the internet to see if I can find something that gives more technical details on how MetroPCS and Boost deal with hotspot data. Given that I currently have a severe thunderstorm in my area I don't know how much I can get accomplished before the power goes out (it's a pretty nasty storm).